Post: #1

Arguably the most important lesson in game is that it's a numbers game. I remember having this epiphany in high school but never really "put theory to practice" back then. But reading the blog and other sources have made me rediscover this amazing insight. All one have to do is approach x times and sooner or later one will get an 8, 9 or 10!
A guy with a 5% success rate can get more women (with better quality) than a guy who due to model-looks have a 50% success rate. The more you approach, the more and finer girls you get. Or like Roosh puts it, rejection is good since it means you're maximising your potential.

I'm still curious though; what percentage of all the girls you approach/hit on, do you end up making out with? And what percentage of all the girls you make out with, do you end up f-closing?

Post: #2

100% I never fail.

Post: #3

(03-14-2011 09:27 AM)solo Wrote:  Arguably the most important lesson in game is that it's a numbers game. I remember having this epiphany in high school but never really "put theory to practice" back then. But reading the blog and other sources have made me rediscover this amazing insight. All one have to do is approach x times and sooner or later one will get an 8, 9 or 10!
A guy with a 5% success rate can get more women (with better quality) than a guy who due to model-looks have a 50% success rate. The more you approach, the more and finer girls you get. Or like Roosh puts it, rejection is good since it means you're maximising your potential.

I'm still curious though; what percentage of all the girls you approach/hit on, do you end up making out with? And what percentage of all the girls you make out with, do you end up f-closing?

I'd say I kiss about 15% of the girls I approach, but I only smash about 33% of those (5% of approaches). This is probably because my game has gotten significantly tighter in the last year while my f-close could still use some work. What's interesting is this seems to be independent of the quality of women I approach (6s, 7s, 8s, and the occasional 9).

Post: #4

"I'd say I kiss about 15% of the girls I approach, but I only smash about 33% of those (5% of approaches). This is probably because my game has gotten significantly tighter in the last year while my f-close could still use some work. What's interesting is this seems to be independent of the quality of women I approach (6s, 7s, 8s, and the occasional 9)".

This is indeed interesting. One has practically been feed with the idea that the more attractive the girl, the harder it is to get her. Coupled with low self-esteem, it makes the idea of approaching for example a 9 daunting. But I guess it is only hard if one thinks one's value is less than the girl's.

Post: #5

I get a number for every 3 approaches (33%) (that doesn't mean I get rejected 2/3 for number - I might not go for it for whatever reason).

I bang 10-15% of the phone numbers I get. Again this doesn't mean I'm getting rejected by 85% of numbers. I lose interest, girl flakes, I get busy with other things or logistics stop the next meet up.

What does this mean? Approach, approach, approach.

My buddies have good game and they have the same stats.

Post: #6

Date # of Sets Result
12/15/2010 2 Dead-ends
12/21/2010 1 Dead-ends
12/29/2010 6 Dead-ends
1/5/2011 4 Dead-ends
1/7/2011 2 Dead-ends
1/8/2011 1 Phone #/dead end
1/12/2011 1 Dead-ends
1/13/2011 2 Dead-ends
1/15/2011 4 Dead-ends
1/19/2011 1 Dead-ends
1/20/2011 2 Dead-ends
1/21/2011 1 Dead-ends
1/22/2011 4 Make out #/Dead end
2/2/2011 1 Dead-ends
2/3/2011 2 Dead-ends
2/5/2011 1 Dead-ends
2/14/2011 1 Touchdown

61 Days from start on 12/15/2010 to 2/14/2010 when I notched a girl (she was a 6).
17 Nights out
36 Sets opened
2.11 Sets Per Night out

I got 3 total phone #s out of 36 sets so 8.33% of the time I get a number.
I talked to 36 sets and got one notch so I notch 2.77% of the girls I talk to.

I don't think many people keep track of the # of sets opened but I enjoy tracking them much like baseball statisticians keep track of every at bat whether you strike out or get a hit.

If I've learned anything I think my sets per night metric needs to go up but honestly if the chicks aren't there for me to talk to them I can't open 'em. I stick to chill bars with little commotion...these typically have fewer sets to open.

Post: #7

"What does this mean? Approach, approach, approach."

One of life's greatest insights, if not the greatest

Post: #8

"I don't think many people keep track of the # of sets opened but I enjoy tracking them much like baseball statisticians keep track of every at bat whether you strike out or get a hit."

I actually think that can help you stay motivated. If you have an 8.33% number success, then you now that statistically you have to approach 12 times to get a number. That way you won't as easily give up after 11 attempts. And then the success rate obviously gets better as one gets tighter game, improves one-self, moves on to greener pastures etc..

Post: #9

I don't do numbers, I always go for it the same night. Haven't asked a girl her number for 3-4 years now (I'm 35).
Perhaps 5% of the time it works out. And I mean from girls I actually talk to - bitches who just shoo you off right after you open, I don't count these.
But I don't keep elaborate stats like the dude above. It could be 3% or 10%.

Post: #10

I recently completed 97 day game cold approaches in a European country (didn't make it to a 100 which was my goal). I got maybe 25 numbers or email adresses, approximately 10 dates, 5 or so make-outs and 1 bang (with a 7.5).

I mostly approached 6s and 7s, with some 5s and 8s thrown in. Hardly even saw anything over 8. My logistics were really bad and I had virtually no social circle to rely on. I'm not rich, famous or have much social status. I am maybe a 5 myself but it varies a bit. Taller than average, somewhat fit but not huge.

So about a 1% approaches-to-bang-rate. With only slightly better game I am almost certain I could have gotten at least 2-3 more bangs (I would say I am still a beginner).

Post: #11

(12-18-2012 10:55 PM)solo Wrote:  I recently completed 97 day game cold approaches in a European country (didn't make it to a 100 which was my goal). I got maybe 25 numbers or email adresses, approximately 10 dates, 5 or so make-outs and 1 bang (with a 7.5).

I mostly approached 6s and 7s, with some 5s and 8s thrown in. Hardly even saw anything over 8. My logistics were really bad and I had virtually no social circle to rely on. I'm not rich, famous or have much social status. I am maybe a 5 myself but it varies a bit. Taller than average, somewhat fit but not huge.

So about a 1% approaches-to-bang-rate. With only slightly better game I am almost certain I could have gotten at least 2-3 more bangs (I would say I am still a beginner).

I like keeping the stats too. I'll get back to this thread once I finish 100 approaches.

Post: #12

I think the best guys get between 5-10% out of pure, random, venue independent cold approaches. There always guys say, yeah, that sucks, I get like 50%, 30%, blah, blah. They actually may be telling the truth, but usually the statistic is based on only approaching girls who give them the eye contact, or only going to venues that they have high value or very tightly integrated in the subculture. I know a guy who is so scared to approach unless he's piss drunk. I think he's got a 50% lay rate coz he only approached like 6 girls in a year who eye fuck the shit out of him, and he got laid 3 times.

For me ~ 0.5%. I think I between 300-400 day time approaches last year and only got laid twice. Sounds like horrible stats, and it is. However, guys who have done random daytime approaches (again no eye or smile from girls) know 60% of the time the girl really is married, engaged, has BF, or has to go piss really badly. Then there's that 10% that turned out jankier than you expected, and you don't want to fuck them anyway. Which leaved about 30% for you to really give it a go.

Anyways 5-10% is really good.

Post: #13

(12-18-2012 11:52 PM)Excalibur Wrote:  I think the best guys get between 5-10% out of pure, random, venue independent cold approaches. There always guys say, yeah, that sucks, I get like 50%, 30%, blah, blah. They actually may be telling the truth, but usually the statistic is based on only approaching girls who give them the eye contact, or only going to venues that they have high value or very tightly integrated in the subculture. I know a guy who is so scared to approach unless he's piss drunk. I think he's got a 50% lay rate coz he only approached like 6 girls in a year who eye fuck the shit out of him, and he got laid 3 times.

For me ~ 0.5%. I think I between 300-400 day time approaches last year and only got laid twice. Sounds like horrible stats, and it is. However, guys who have done random daytime approaches (again no eye or smile from girls) know 60% of the time the girl really is married, engaged, has BF, or has to go piss really badly. Then there's that 10% that turned out jankier than you expected, and you don't want to fuck them anyway. Which leaved about 30% for you to really give it a go.

Anyways 5-10% is really good.

Yeah you're right it makes a difference if the approach is cold or if it is preceded by an IOI. I rarely get IOIs and I agree with the ones who say you miss opportunities if you only approach girls who give you IOIs. For example, my one bang didn't even notice me prior to the approach.

Agreed if you can approve yourself to get to 5% it is good. That means you get a girl for every 20 approaches on average. If you have 0.5-1% like us however, really all you have to do is work harder.

Post: #14

(03-15-2011 10:27 AM)Lief Wrote:  I get a number for every 3 approaches (33%) (that doesn't mean I get rejected 2/3 for number - I might not go for it for whatever reason).

I bang 10-15% of the phone numbers I get. Again this doesn't mean I'm getting rejected by 85% of numbers. I lose interest, girl flakes, I get busy with other things or logistics stop the next meet up.

What does this mean? Approach, approach, approach.

My buddies have good game and they have the same stats.

When I was in my 20's, before there was any game lit outside of Ovid, I calculated about 10% also:

50% will give you number
25% will answer phone and talk to you
of those a little less than half will actually show up and fuck;
so about 10% out of the total.

There was no internet, cell phones, or facebook at the time.

I think some people had answering machines, but a lot of times a girl would answer not knowing who it was, and her intial reaction to finding out was a treasure trove of information.

I would tell friends who weren't as avid-- "The bullship STARTS when you get the phone number,"

This was my early intuitive grasp of the idea that it's a numbers game.

Post: #15

I wish there was a way we could make a forum spreadsheet for this.

Then we'd be able to see all the data- approaches, bounces, type of bang (snl or 2 dates etc.), rating of girl, kisses, blowjobs, notches, special comments- anything.

I think it would be invaluable to have a visual map of everyone's game.

Post: #16

(12-19-2012 11:04 AM)soup Wrote:  I wish there was a way we could make a forum spreadsheet for this.

Then we'd be able to see all the data- approaches, bounces, type of bang (snl or 2 dates etc.), rating of girl, kisses, blowjobs, notches, special comments- anything.

I think it would be invaluable to have a visual map of everyone's game.

That's not a bad idea at all. There are a lot of variables that would need to be accounted for though, just off the top of my head: level of game, type of game, looks, height, money, social status, country, venue etc etc. Even though I don't keep track of my exact statistics I think it's helpful to know my success rate since it gives you an idea of the amount of work that needs to be done. It is like Roosh's Approach Index.

Post: #17

When I first read Bang over a year ago I was pretty serious about keeping a journal and going over the numbers.

My bang conversion was (and probably still is) 1/25

That said, I don't do internet game. I almost never bang below a 7. I'm pretty picky. I've gamed 6s and made out with them and had a sure thing, but then little things like a double chin or bad breath would absolutely kill it for me.

Post: #18

(03-14-2011 09:27 AM)solo Wrote:  I'm still curious though; what percentage of all the girls you approach/hit on, do you end up making out with? And what percentage of all the girls you make out with, do you end up f-closing?

Only the home-runs count. Batting average and strike outs are quickly forgotten. But fair its a question. Whatever my conversion rate is, it's gotten better and better every year.