Post: #1

Ah, Suey Park. The left-wing gift that keeps on giving. Apparently, she considers herself a Christian.

She has been trumpeting a new hashtag on Twitter: #NotMyChristianLeader. Article on it here:

Quote:It’s common knowledge that activists today often use hashtags to facilitate ongoing, inclusive conversations, especially among people who are often shut out of more conventional conversations. The past year has seen hashtags ranging from #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen to #IAmJada to #YesAllWomen, to name just a few, and today social justice-minded Christians on Twitter are speaking out about privilege problems within the church using the hashtag #NotMyChristianLeader. And the frustration with racism, sexism, and basic hypocrisy is very apparent.

The #NotMyChristianLeader conversation was originally started by the Killjoy Prophets Collective, whose co-founders include Suey Park, an activist best known for her #NotYourAsianSidekick and #CancelColbert hashtags. Park explains that, in her view, both liberal and conservative Christian churches have a tendency to avoid critically examining broader issues. “On the Christian right,” she told Bustle in an email, “we see many using God’s ‘justice’ to really mean violent US nationalism. We live in a country that proclaimed ‘one nation under God’ when churches sold slaves and Manifest Destiny was used to justify genocide. On the Christian left, we see attempts for racial reconciliation that are often reductive, framing progress as ‘both sides’ moving forward while flattening histories and ignoring power imbalances.”

Another Killjoy Prophets co-founder Emily Rice adds, “Oftentimes even the most progressive Christian leaders today still engage in respectability politics, in which women leaders can only speak about feminism or racial justice if they appear non-threatening and center the educational needs of those in power.”

She seems to be "working" (is she getting paid for all this shit she does?) with an organization called "The Killjoy Project."

That organization seems utterly obsessed with "anti-blackness" of American society. They want to take "back" Christianity and essentially turn Christianity into another arm of social justice. As expected, they love love love to talk about how terribly anti-black America and its fascist police state. How serious they are about changing the racialization of society. Seriously, they just love to talk about it.

Anyways, Suey has some top-notch idiotic tweets

Quote:Dear Christian Men, finding comfort in masculinity and male privilege is not the same as finding comfort in God. Beware of false idols.

This is a book she is working on:

Quote:Heteropatriarchy and the 3 Caterpillars of White Supremacy: A Children's Story

Then this fucking gem

Quote:Funny story: Yesterday President @fyamada asked @afreshmind and me about "careerism" and we both heard "queerism" which doesn't exist.

Quote:Instead of being honest w/ @fyamada about not knowing, @afreshmind and I used academic posturing to pretend we knew what queerism was.

Quote:Moral of story: Don't pretend you know what "queerism" is to sound smart. Ask for help and discover the question was just misheard. Phew.

Post: #2

Can't knock the hustle. She is getting internet-famous doing her thing.

Post: #3

The terms "social justice-minded Christian" and "progressive Christian" are oxymoronic. It would be like calling yourself a "feminist red pill man" or a "non-racist slave owner". It's inherently self-contradictory in each case. The terms are mutually exclusive, you must choose between them. If you claim to be both you are either consciously (in which case you are a liar) or unconsciously (in which case you are delusional and/or stupid) rejecting one or the other.

In this case, it's very obvious that Suey Park is not a Christian, but is instead cynically posing as one in order to attack Christianity with the SJW/progressive virus. She doesn't want to reform Christianity, she wants to destroy it by watering down its traditional/biblical morality with progressive degeneracy. While claiming to be promoting Christianity she is actually anti-Christian - a wolf in sheep's clothing. We have been warned about people like her:

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. - Matt. 7: 15-20

Let us judge SJWs and progressives by their "fruits":

• Abortion on demand
• No-fault divorce
• Epidemic of single mothers
• Sexual degeneracy taught in schools
• Shallow consumer society
• Big government nanny state
• Welfare/handout society
• Homosexual marriage
• Transgender insanity
• "Rape culture" anti-male hysteria
• Total denial of America's Christian tradition

In contrast, what are the fruits of traditional Christian society?

• Strong families
• Patriarchal society
• Protestant work ethic
• Rejection of all degeneracy
• Non-materialistic worldview
• Traditional, lifelong marriage
• Charity to the truly needy
• Respect for elders and tradition
• Strong community bonds through the church
• Emphasis on cultivating inner virtues rather than displaying purchased status symbols
  

It's pretty obvious that progressivism and SJW activism are diseased trees that bear only bad fruit. There is absolutely no compatibility between modern progressivism and Christianity. Anyone saying otherwise is an idiot or a subversive attempting to destroy Christianity, which is clearly what Suey Park is trying to do. Christian morality and the society it produces is completely antithetical to progressive society, which is why SJWs and progressives are constantly attacking traditional Christianity in the West.

Post: #4

(08-10-2014 10:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. - Matt. 7: 15-20

I have a kind of phobia of non-KJV translations of the Bible. They sound terrible to me without exception...

Compare to how stately this is, especially the last sentence in each case:

Quote:Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Post: #5

Post: #6

(08-10-2014 10:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  The terms "social justice-minded Christian" and "progressive Christian" are oxymoronic. It would be like calling yourself a "feminist red pill man" or a "non-racist slave owner". It's inherently self-contradictory in each case. The terms are mutually exclusive, you must choose between them. If you claim to be both you are either consciously (in which case you are a liar) or unconsciously (in which case you are delusional and/or stupid) rejecting one or the other.

In this case, it's very obvious that Suey Park is not a Christian, but is instead cynically posing as one in order to attack Christianity with the SJW/progressive virus. She doesn't want to reform Christianity, she wants to destroy it by watering down its traditional/biblical morality with progressive degeneracy. While claiming to be promoting Christianity she is actually anti-Christian - a wolf in sheep's clothing. We have been warned about people like her:

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. - Matt. 7: 15-20

Why should it be inherently contradictory to be both a Christian and hold progressive, left-wing, or small-l liberal values? By extension, the ideas of Reform Judaism or Islamic Feminism, to name a few, would be inherently oxymoronic.

Adhering to a particular faith entails a belief in its higher power, a practice of that faith (via prayer, periodic worship, etc.) and a following of its Scriptures. All of which are geographically varied according to local culture. In turn, religions have long had to adapt its practices to reflect current and evolving social mores.

What with falling church attendances, it would be the height of in-pragmatism to cling to whimsical notions of Puritan Conservatism.

(08-10-2014 10:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Let us judge SJWs and progressives by their "fruits":

• Abortion on demand
  [...]
  
• Shallow consumer society
• Big government nanny state
• Welfare/handout society
  [...]
• Total denial of America's Christian tradition

I know "SJWs" and "progressives" who do not necessarily stand for the points in bold. In terms of abortion, there's a huge discourse within the pro-choice camp, and you fail to distinguish between left-libertarianism and welfare-socialism.

(08-10-2014 10:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  In contrast, what are the fruits of traditional Christian society?

• Strong families
• Patriarchal society
• Protestant work ethic
• Rejection of all degeneracy
• Non-materialistic worldview
• Traditional, lifelong marriage
• Charity to the truly needy
• Respect for elders and tradition
• Strong community bonds through the church
• Emphasis on cultivating inner virtues rather than displaying purchased status symbols
  

And the "Protestant work ethic" is representative of all Christianity? Catholicism in particular emphasises giving and supporting the homeless, the infirm and the disabled -- traits that would pigeonhole them as "SJWs" in your book. Christ Himself hung out with lepers and beggars; but I guess he'd be shunned as a pinko socialist by the 'Murrican Christian Right.

Post: #7

Nobody can take her seriously any more. After her huge blow-up over Colbert's satire she completely killed any credibility she may have had.

"Writer and Activist"... really? Hashtags count now?

Post: #8

"Killjoy." At least they are aptly named.

Post: #9

(08-11-2014 12:39 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  And the "Protestant work ethic" is representative of all Christianity? Catholicism in particular emphasises giving and supporting the homeless, the infirm and the disabled -- traits that would pigeonhole them as "SJWs" in your book. Christ Himself hung out with lepers and beggars; but I guess he'd be shunned as a pinko socialist by the 'Murrican Christian Right.

Perhaps the most insidious way in which progressives have corrupted Christianity is by equating government welfare with Christian charity. Charity is only meaningful if you sacrifice your own means and wealth to give to the poor. Voting to have someone else's money taken and given to the poor isn't charity at all, because there's no personal sacrifice involved.

Furthermore, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give unto God what is God's" is another dictum which states that the political world has nothing to do with the spiritual world.

A progressive Christian is nothing more than a hypocrite, who are among the ones listed as not inheriting the kingdom of heaven.

Post: #10

(08-11-2014 01:57 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 12:39 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  And the "Protestant work ethic" is representative of all Christianity? Catholicism in particular emphasises giving and supporting the homeless, the infirm and the disabled -- traits that would pigeonhole them as "SJWs" in your book. Christ Himself hung out with lepers and beggars; but I guess he'd be shunned as a pinko socialist by the 'Murrican Christian Right.

Perhaps the most insidious way in which progressives have corrupted Christianity is by equating government welfare with Christian charity. Charity is only meaningful if you sacrifice your own means and wealth to give to the poor. Voting to have someone else's money taken and given to the poor isn't charity at all, because there's no personal sacrifice involved.

Furthermore, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give unto God what is God's" is another dictum which states that the political world has nothing to do with the spiritual world.

A progressive Christian is nothing more than a hypocrite, who are among the ones listed as not inheriting the kingdom of heaven.

I think the whole idea of "Christian charity" is about providing support to those who are, by circumstance, unable to do so for themselves, as I mentioned, the elderly, ill, disabled or those who are genuinely unable to provide for their own and their dependants in some other way. If possible, that includes equipping them with the means to eventually support themselves. It certainly doesn't advocate going out of your way to spoonfeed those who are able to work, provide for themselves etc., but refuse to do so.

The Catholic charities that I was involved with years ago certainly believed so, and were of the idea that those who were inordinately privileged and prosperous have a moral duty to extend relief for those much less-circumstanced. This doesn't have to be financial, but it could be, say, educational or material.

Post: #11

Was this the woman who wrote "whiteness will always be the enemy"?

Lacist.

Post: #12

CRT:
Christian Religion Troll

Post: #13

(08-11-2014 12:39 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 10:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  The terms "social justice-minded Christian" and "progressive Christian" are oxymoronic. It would be like calling yourself a "feminist red pill man" or a "non-racist slave owner". It's inherently self-contradictory in each case. The terms are mutually exclusive, you must choose between them. If you claim to be both you are either consciously (in which case you are a liar) or unconsciously (in which case you are delusional and/or stupid) rejecting one or the other.

In this case, it's very obvious that Suey Park is not a Christian, but is instead cynically posing as one in order to attack Christianity with the SJW/progressive virus. She doesn't want to reform Christianity, she wants to destroy it by watering down its traditional/biblical morality with progressive degeneracy. While claiming to be promoting Christianity she is actually anti-Christian - a wolf in sheep's clothing. We have been warned about people like her:

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. - Matt. 7: 15-20

Why should it be inherently contradictory to be both a Christian and hold progressive, left-wing, or small-l liberal values? By extension, the ideas of Reform Judaism or Islamic Feminism, to name a few, would be inherently oxymoronic.

Adhering to a particular faith entails a belief in its higher power, a practice of that faith (via prayer, periodic worship, etc.) and a following of its Scriptures. All of which are geographically varied according to local culture. In turn, religions have long had to adapt its practices to reflect current and evolving social mores.

What with falling church attendances, it would be the height of in-pragmatism to cling to whimsical notions of Puritan Conservatism.

(08-10-2014 10:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Let us judge SJWs and progressives by their "fruits":

• Abortion on demand
  [...]
  
• Shallow consumer society
• Big government nanny state
• Welfare/handout society
  [...]
• Total denial of America's Christian tradition

I know "SJWs" and "progressives" who do not necessarily stand for the points in bold. In terms of abortion, there's a huge discourse within the pro-choice camp, and you fail to distinguish between left-libertarianism and welfare-socialism.

(08-10-2014 10:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  In contrast, what are the fruits of traditional Christian society?

• Strong families
• Patriarchal society
• Protestant work ethic
• Rejection of all degeneracy
• Non-materialistic worldview
• Traditional, lifelong marriage
• Charity to the truly needy
• Respect for elders and tradition
• Strong community bonds through the church
• Emphasis on cultivating inner virtues rather than displaying purchased status symbols
  

And the "Protestant work ethic" is representative of all Christianity? Catholicism in particular emphasises giving and supporting the homeless, the infirm and the disabled -- traits that would pigeonhole them as "SJWs" in your book. Christ Himself hung out with lepers and beggars; but I guess he'd be shunned as a pinko socialist by the 'Murrican Christian Right.

It's contradictory, because Christianity's foundation as a religion is, "love others as you have loved yourself."

Obviously the cat being out of the bag on certain subjects (abortion, homosexuality, etc). The loving Christian would do his best to convey the seriousness of what abortion and homosexuality do. I'll never understand childbirth, but I've seen a girl go through an abortion and it destroys her. The hormones and emotional toll are ridiculous.

Homosexuality is a beast in its own right. The church should distance itself from "gay marriage" and should tell people what the bible means when it says these behaviors cause "death". Death occurs in more than one way. An example being death of a family bloodline which arguably is not a big deal since homosexual behavior deselects a man/woman from the gene pool.

It can also lead to the obvious end of ones life via this means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing

The "Loving Christian" however, should accept a gay man into the community while encouraging a monogamous homosexual relationship. Doubtful such a thing can be achieved though.

So to answer your question, i'd go so far as to say that progressive christianity and judaism goes against the spirit of what was trying to be conveyed in the writing.

Post: #14

"“On the Christian right,” she told Bustle in an email, “we see many using God’s ‘justice’ to really mean violent US nationalism."

Wait, stop the presses. In an email?!?! She couldn't take ten minutes to actually talk to Bustle on the phone?

Beyond that, this article's credibility needs to be questioned as does Bustle itself. In the real world of journalism, none of my editors allowed email interviews because -- as they said -- "How do you know it's your interview subject on the other end? It could be their dad. It could be their roommate punking you."

Plus, it doesn't make for good give-and-take. It lets the subject off the hook because they don't have to respond to follow-up questions on the fly.

Email interviews were only allowed under very special circumstances, like the subject was in another country. We were also encouraged to record all interviews and save the recording until we absolutely knew the subject wasn't going to question what was printed. The fact that this is passed off as journalism shows how far the field has degenerated.

I can't even take this seriously because the whole time I'm thinking maybe she had someone else type up her responses.

Post: #15

Damn, this bitch is feening for some white dick.

Post: #16

Hashtag activists are a joke. Say what you will about activists of the past, but at least they were willing to get away from their computer to actually try to enact change.

Post: #17

Suey Park is a hustler. Internet Aristocrat fingered her months ago. She makes money by engineering bogus social justice crises so that she can get herself high-paid bookings at colleges. Her "outrage" is no more real than pro wrestling.





This is the Ryan Holiday method in action. Gin up bullshit drama and the media, lacking both the resources and desire to investigate your claims, will just reprint everything in hopes of getting clicks.

Game recognized.

Post: #18

I realize I'm in the minority here being a liberal, and I accept that these feminists are in many ways the face of MY party (dammit).

But the right doesn't really do a good job of promoting families/marriage/anti-materialism/etc either. Many of them are the biggest hypocrites and come across as far too sanctimonious.

And as stated above

Quote:I know "SJWs" and "progressives" who do not necessarily stand for the points in bold. In terms of abortion, there's a huge discourse within the pro-choice camp, and you fail to distinguish between left-libertarianism and welfare-socialism.

Indeed, there are many of us.

In fact just the other day my Mom (also a liberal, both parents are) asked me if I ever watched the show 'Girls'. I laughed, and she remarked how unattractive and lazy the women were. Both very anti-fat acceptance and anti-feminist.

It's unfortunate, and I think the media likes to hype it, that the loudest, most obnoxious voices are the most heard. I guess no one would tune in to a calm, reasonable debate between people with different viewpoints.

Post: #19

Post: #20

(08-11-2014 12:39 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  I know "SJWs" and "progressives" who do not necessarily stand for the points in bold. In terms of abortion, there's a huge discourse within the pro-choice camp, and you fail to distinguish between left-libertarianism and welfare-socialism.

Let's not lie to ourselves, such a concept is incoherent.

Post: #21

(08-10-2014 10:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  In contrast, what are the fruits of traditional Christian society?

• Strong families
• Patriarchal society
• Protestant work ethic
• Rejection of all degeneracy
• Non-materialistic worldview
• Traditional, lifelong marriage
• Charity to the truly needy
• Respect for elders and tradition
• Strong community bonds through the church
• Emphasis on cultivating inner virtues rather than displaying purchased status symbols
  

If you remove the line “Protestant work ethic” and change the word “church” to “place of worship” that list could apply to most religions.