Post: #51

Isis or whatever the latest half-assed dirt farmer uprising is could serve as a convenient honey pot trap to draw out middle class jihadists from developed nations so they can be conveniently burned to a crisp by a hellfire missile.

Post: #52

(08-09-2014 04:28 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 09:20 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 06:35 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 06:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 05:32 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  How far do you reckon ISIS will go ? they seem to be getting a lot of support elsewhere around the world. A housing estate in East London started hanging up ISIS flags, the Guardian journalists got chased out of the area by some guys.

I seriously worry about the allegiance of large parts of Britain's muslim population.

I always get the feeling that, under the surface, they pretty much all hate us.

It looks that way, In Birmingham I saw a couple of racial assaults carried out by muslim guys on white people. This was in the middle of the city centre as well.

The Jews are talking about leaving France because of the anti Semitic attacks, maybe they know predict some shit is going to go down.

Even the Guardian crowd don't know what to make of the whole thing. When you see middle class muslims in Britain going over to fight in Iraq, and you have these ISIS flags being pinned up on housing estates.

Could be the resentment of being stereotyped as hyper-violent is finally getting to them...

Yeah I think that explains the actions of ISIS or the Woolwich beheading. Our media must be more politically correct to avoid such things happening in the future... Il expand some more.

Islam in Britain is different to say Islam in the U.S. There are ghettos up and down the country, most of which are self segregated in recent times. The socialist workers party and other groups try to cosy up to them as being some new "black panthers' but its laughable because they are far from it. If you are white, gay or black you can get into a lot of trouble going through some of these places. On top of this a lot of the time these are recent immigrants, who have just moved here from say, Pakistan.

There have been some major controversies in recent years i.e. Pakistani pedophile gangs up north, the Woolwich beheading, protesting at a military funeral. However a lot of the anger was directed towards the media and government who supposedly kept quiet on such things happening or down playing the whole events. If anything the media has been pro actively trying to turn those stereotypes around.

I still remember a funny episode of "the bill", a police drama set in London. Where the police station gets blown up, and the plot line was that it was a racist police community support officer who did it. haha too politically correct.

The great irony is that the Jews have dug their own grave on this.

Jews have overwhelmingly supported multicutluralism, including Islamic immigration. Jews vote ultra left-wing, and have done so both in the EU and America for the past 100 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/...ince-nazis

Quote:In the space of just one week last month, according to Crif, the umbrella group for France's Jewish organisations, eight synagogues were attacked. One, in the Paris suburb of Sarcelles, was firebombed by a 400-strong mob. A kosher supermarket and pharmacy were smashed and looted; the crowd's chants and banners included "Death to Jews" and "Slit Jews' throats". That same weekend, in the Barbes neighbourhood of the capital, stone-throwing protesters burned Israeli flags: "Israhell", read one banner.

In Germany last month, molotov cocktails were lobbed into the Bergische synagogue in Wuppertal – previously destroyed on Kristallnacht – and a Berlin imam, Abu Bilal Ismail, called on Allah to "destroy the Zionist Jews … Count them and kill them, to the very last one." Bottles were thrown through the window of an antisemitism campaigner in Frankfurt; an elderly Jewish man was beaten up at a pro-Israel rally in Hamburg; an Orthodox Jewish teenager punched in the face in Berlin. In several cities, chants at pro-Palestinian protests compared Israel's actions to the Holocaust; other notable slogans included: "Jew, coward pig, come out and fight alone," and "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas."

Now that the Muslims, who have hated Jews since the Ottoman Empire kicked them out 300+ years ago, are becoming a significant power in the EU, they are going around killing and terrorizing Jews.

And all the Jews do is scream, "Anti-semitism! OMG! Nazis!" Except the Muslims don't give a fuck and never will. They will kill every last Jew they get their hands on. Meanwhile the self-flagellating whites work even harder to make sure none of their children are anti-Jew, even though there's probably fewer than 5% white European people who are killing the Jews in Europe.

So now that the Jews have helped to create an awful mess, who gets to clean it up? Us regular goyim, who will probably be embroiled in a massive war against Islamic forces across Europe and the Middle East, on top of a looming American bankruptcy.

I wonder if people will ever correctly assign blame to the role the Jews played in this? Like the Russians who figured out that Bolshevism was mostly a Jewish invention?

I also wonder if the Jews will change their mind about immigration? If they don't, it just proves how politically inept and clueless the Jews are as a class of people.

Post: #53

Samseau as someone who is in the heart of this let me comment.

Firstly the Ottomans never expelled the Jews

Secondly apart from a few leftist Jews they are not the reason for many Muslims in Europe

In the case of UK/France and Netherlands it is because they had big colonial empires in Muslim places like Algeria, Pakistan and Indonesia and when the empires ended they came in big numbers to work. These were not Jews pushing for it.

In the case of Sweden and Norway these were not Jews causing it, I believe there are only 840 Jews in Norway and 5k in Sweden. They partly came to do shitty jobs such as cab driving and security with the 'official' reason being to do with 'diversity' as it is un PC to say they are here to do shit jobs the whites didn't want. It is worth acknowledging that Muslims in Europe have been rejected and they in turn became nutters and embraced radical forms of Islam alien to their parents or grand parents. The stuff we talk about here alot probably led them to reject western culture and progressivism.

Also they had big welfare states and their stupid idea was to inflate the ponzi scheme so that they will not have to reduce entitlement schemes. As I'm sure you know their stupid idea was a disaster and has backfired. Partly this is because the Muslims are still not accepted and also because they lack the skills to excel in a high tech economy like Sweden.

In the countries where anti-semitism is worst such as France and Sweden it is because the locals are scared of the Muslims and think if they attack the Jews and Israel they will be left alone. They also think if they take radical anti-semitic lines then the Muslims will sympathise with them and support them with the leftist anti Semites desperate for Muslim votes, I doubt they hate Jews but they go over the top to appease the Muslims that don't trust a leftist so rant about Jews and Israel.

Jews are the mutual enemy of leftists and Muslims and they know when the Jews are driven out there will be nothing to unify them and so they go over the top in reminding Muslims how much they hate Jews which in turn whips up the Muslims into pogroms. Once the Jews are gone things will get nasty as the leftists will turn on the Muslims and vice versa

In the case of France most Jews are brown skinned and mixed race Jews from Morocco Algeria and Tunisia. They are also poor but wealthier than the Muslims as they have small businesses and properties and the Muslims hate them as it is painful to see people that look so similar doing better as the French Jews are lower middle class and upper working class

The Jews always opposed racism and Nazism but were not behind the mass migration of Muslims.

The Jews will be driven out of France, Sweden, Holland and Belgium but the UK will fight to the end. The Dutch would too but there are too many Muslims n not enough Jew

Secondly most Jews in the UK support the Tories or the moderate arm of Labour. The current leader of Labour is ethnically Jewish but hated by Jewish people in Britain. He is very pro Palestinian and a cultural Marxist.

Most Jews in Europe are religious to some degree and hence hard left views are very unusual, although with the younger ones less so

C

Post: #54

Within 3 pages this thread has became concentrated on Europe like many others here. I think we can all agree that Europe is going to have a problem down the road. It will be interesting to see what happens when some European cities have a 30% Muslim population in a 2-3 decades.

Post: #55

America attacks Iraq again!
America pushes for sanctions against Russia, enforcing other countries to do the same.
America shoots down a plane but blames it on Russia.
America keeps quiet as Palestinians are being slaughthered in Israel.
God Bless America lol

Post: #56

I find it funny ISIS is hating on America for bombing them and declaring them their enemy. Whats a matter Ahmed? Your shiny new Hummer got blown up?

Post: #57

We should have never messed with Syria.... Sure it may be autocratic but Assad is better than chaos or an islamic state.

Post: #58

(08-09-2014 02:57 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Isis or whatever the latest half-assed dirt farmer uprising is could serve as a convenient honey pot trap to draw out middle class jihadists from developed nations so they can be conveniently burned to a crisp by a hellfire missile.

That was the theory advanced to justify the Iraq war.

More realistically, that's not how it works. In Arab culture, it's necessary for a man to avenge a relative's death. So the death of 1 jihadist just inspires all his relatives to come after you.

In Iraq, America found that no matter how many jihadists we killed, there were always more ready to come at us.

The death toll estimated due to the Iraq War was 461,000. I'm sure a lot of those deaths were jihadists. Even with all those deaths, the jihad goes on.

Post: #59

Interesting article about the topic under discussion here.

A good question to reflect on regarding the Middle East: who benefits from the turmoil and instability?

Also bear in mind that none of these nations/states are more than 100 years old. They are ALL the creation of the Western powers after WW1 or WW2.

Post: #60

(08-09-2014 07:29 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  We should have never messed with Syria.... Sure it may be autocratic but Assad is better than chaos or an islamic state.

'We' want Assad's secular, multi-ethnic state gone.

'We' want instability in Syria.

etc, etc...

(I don't include myself in the 'we', just using it to make a point)

Post: #61

(08-10-2014 01:17 AM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 02:57 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Isis or whatever the latest half-assed dirt farmer uprising is could serve as a convenient honey pot trap to draw out middle class jihadists from developed nations so they can be conveniently burned to a crisp by a hellfire missile.

That was the theory advanced to justify the Iraq war.

More realistically, that's not how it works. In Arab culture, it's necessary for a man to avenge a relative's death. So the death of 1 jihadist just inspires all his relatives to come after you.

In Iraq, America found that no matter how many jihadists we killed, there were always more ready to come at us.

The death toll estimated due to the Iraq War was 461,000. I'm sure a lot of those deaths were jihadists. Even with all those deaths, the jihad goes on.

The problem is and always will be the political will to do what is necessary. You basically need to kill lots of people until the population is so crippled that it's no longer a threat. When you look at it in practical terms there's absolutely no culture or anything worth saving in the middle east. Russia figured out that when you pound Grozny relentlessly for years that you can decimate the population so much that all the serious "revolutionary" threats evaporate. Sure, you will get a few isolated revenge bombings here and there but that's just the cost of war. It's much better than allowing these people to form into an actual extremist islamic state or factional group that can usurp your regional interests.

America could easily decimate the fundamentalist arab population. The military edge is overwhelming. Sometimes you just have to do what is necessary and that is what America lacks the will to do. Russia and China on the other hand aren't bound by such restrictions.

Post: #62

(08-09-2014 05:23 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  America shoots down a plane but blames it on Russia.

Pics or

Post: #63

(08-09-2014 03:49 PM)Crackshot Wrote:  Samseau as someone who is in the heart of this let me comment.

Firstly the Ottomans never expelled the Jews

You're right. I thought they were, but it turns out there were just persecuted until they ran for their lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of..._centuries

Quote:Historian Martin Gilbert writes that it was in the 19th century that the position of Jews worsened in Muslim countries.

...

The overwhelming majority of the Ottoman Jews lived in the European-provinces of the Empire.

So although technically they were never removed by law, it was done effectively through the masses of people who hated them.

Quote:Secondly apart from a few leftist Jews they are not the reason for many Muslims in Europe

Certainly not the only reason.

Quote:In the case of UK/France and Netherlands it is because they had big colonial empires in Muslim places like Algeria, Pakistan and Indonesia and when the empires ended they came in big numbers to work. These were not Jews pushing for it.

Jews were always pushing for it. Jews saw the restrictive immigration policies as the reasons why many of them could not escape Nazi Germany in time, because other countries would not accept them.

Combine this Jewish view with the fact that Jews are extremely rich, powerful, and given a large platform to speak on after WW2 due to guilt, and their role as leaders of the left becomes clear.

Then of course, you have Jews like Barbara Spectre who foolishly made themselves visable:





Barbara set up Paidea in 2001, which coincides with most of the biggest mosques in Swedeen being built during the 2000's:

Quote:More mosques were built during the 2000s, including the Stockholm Mosque (2000), the Umeå Mosque (2006) and the Fittja Mosque (completed 2007), among others. The governments of Saudi Arabia and Libya have financially supported the constructions of some of the largest Mosques in Sweden.

It doesn't look like any of this is a coincidence. Influential Jews were effective in pushing the multiculturalism agenda harder than ever during the 2000's.

Quote:In the case of Sweden and Norway these were not Jews causing it, I believe there are only 840 Jews in Norway and 5k in Sweden.

The Jews don't need to live in the countries they control when they have America under their thumb.

Quote:They partly came to do shitty jobs such as cab driving and security with the 'official' reason being to do with 'diversity' as it is un PC to say they are here to do shit jobs the whites didn't want.

Right. No one did those jobs before immigrants came. Diversity comes from Cultural Marxism, which was setup by the Frankfurt School, an overwhelmingly Jewish organization.

Quote:It is worth acknowledging that Muslims in Europe have been rejected and they in turn became nutters and embraced radical forms of Islam alien to their parents or grand parents. The stuff we talk about here alot probably led them to reject western culture and progressivism.

Most likely. However, rejecting Western culture means rejecting multiculturalism, and by extension the Jews.

Quote:Also they had big welfare states and their stupid idea was to inflate the ponzi scheme so that they will not have to reduce entitlement schemes. As I'm sure you know their stupid idea was a disaster and has backfired. Partly this is because the Muslims are still not accepted and also because they lack the skills to excel in a high tech economy like Sweden.

The idea that you can just take someone from shithole country A, put them in nice country B, and suddenly expect them to be successful is of course absurd. The dirt on the ground isn't what makes a person special or successful.

Quote:In the countries where anti-semitism is worst such as France and Sweden it is because the locals are scared of the Muslims and think if they attack the Jews and Israel they will be left alone. They also think if they take radical anti-semitic lines then the Muslims will sympathise with them and support them with the leftist anti Semites desperate for Muslim votes, I doubt they hate Jews but they go over the top to appease the Muslims that don't trust a leftist so rant about Jews and Israel.

Whatever, the Jews should have been front and center in protesting Islamic immigration but they did not because it would have conflicted with their desire to make sure White societies could never be powerful enough to pull off another Hitler.

Of course, the folly of the Jews is that Hitler himself was very popular with Muslims, who saw Hitlers' hatred of Jews as quite pleasing. Islamic fascism was very popular.

Quote:Jews are the mutual enemy of leftists and Muslims and they know when the Jews are driven out there will be nothing to unify them and so they go over the top in reminding Muslims how much they hate Jews which in turn whips up the Muslims into pogroms. Once the Jews are gone things will get nasty as the leftists will turn on the Muslims and vice versa

The left does not hate the Jews. You've got it backwards. The left is the one pushing antisemitism laws and protecting the Jews. The Jews vote left on a margin of 3 to 1 in most countries.

Quote:In the case of France most Jews are brown skinned and mixed race Jews from Morocco Algeria and Tunisia. They are also poor but wealthier than the Muslims as they have small businesses and properties and the Muslims hate them as it is painful to see people that look so similar doing better as the French Jews are lower middle class and upper working class

Perhaps, but those are just the common Jews, the ones who really have no power to set the image for Jews worldwide. The powerful Jews, i.e. mainly the White Ashkenazi Jews, are the ones who push agendas and have more money than most people can dream of.

Quote:The Jews always opposed racism and Nazism but were not behind the mass migration of Muslims.

This just isn't true. Jews have been pro-immigration for over 100 years, both in America, Europe, and Australia. But of course not for Israel. In America, for instance, Jews have voted for Democrats consistently for 100 years, even when the Democrats were more racist. That is because the Democrats were pro-immigration. For example, the inscription written on the Statue of Liberty ("give us your poor") was written by a Jew (90% certain).

Quote:The Jews will be driven out of France, Sweden, Holland and Belgium but the UK will fight to the end. The Dutch would too but there are too many Muslims n not enough Jew

Secondly most Jews in the UK support the Tories or the moderate arm of Labour. The current leader of Labour is ethnically Jewish but hated by Jewish people in Britain. He is very pro Palestinian and a cultural Marxist.

Most Jews in Europe are religious to some degree and hence hard left views are very unusual, although with the younger ones less so

C

Haha, hard left views are unusual on Jews? You clearly haven't been paying much attention to them.

In any case, the Jews are stupid for ignoring the obvious about how Islam feels towards Jews.

Post: #64

If people are wondering why I'm talking about the Jews in a thread about ISIS, it's because it's impossible to ignore the role Jews play both in fermenting political chaos in the Middle East through the creation of Israel and the subsequent treatment of Palestinians, and the endless pushing for mass immigration to their host countries (especially Islam to Europe). It creates unrest across the entire world.

Post: #65

you dont even need the jews to stir up shit in the middle east. muslim solidarity is more myth than fact. sunnis kill everyone not sunni, and shiites kill.everyone not shiite. hell, hezbollah and isis are enemies because the former is shiite and the latter is sunni. all the us and israel are are playful distractions

Post: #66

(08-09-2014 02:57 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Isis or whatever the latest half-assed dirt farmer uprising is could serve as a convenient honey pot trap to draw out middle class jihadists from developed nations so they can be conveniently burned to a crisp by a hellfire missile.

I've been wondering for a while if the US et al are leaving these situations (Afghan, Waziristan etc to smoulder as a 'pressure release' for global Jihad.

It's a sound strategy as far as I can see. I'm pretty certain it reduces domestic terrorism in the West.

Post: #67

(08-10-2014 05:27 AM)Surreyman Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 02:57 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Isis or whatever the latest half-assed dirt farmer uprising is could serve as a convenient honey pot trap to draw out middle class jihadists from developed nations so they can be conveniently burned to a crisp by a hellfire missile.

I've been wondering for a while if the US et al are leaving these situations (Afghan, Waziristan etc to smoulder as a 'pressure release' for global Jihad.

It's a sound strategy as far as I can see. I'm pretty certain it reduces domestic terrorism in the West.

Eh?

How does providing grounds for people from the likes of western Europe to be trained by professional bomb makers in the art of IEDs and bombs reduce domestic terrorism?

We already have a lot of young men going over there from our countries to train and fight.

Whats to say these same nutjobs, now with plenty of experience won't use it on the streets of quiet ol England?

Post: #68

I don't know about Jews worldwide, but Jews in Israel are overwhelmingly right wing.

However, the artificial Israeli nation is actually a multicultural nation, since it's foundation isn't an ethnic group - a nation, but rather religion, hence Jews are an ethno-religious group - ethnicity founded on religion, which is itself and oxymoron, since anybody can convert to a religion.

Similar stuff is present with Islam. Pan-islamic sentiment is more and more present, which also has an idea that religion forms and ethnic and political group as it's foundation. As long as you are Muslim - welcome brother. The only secular Arab movement - the Baathist movement has been gradually suppressed and destroyed. Assad is the only Baathist remaining.

Christianity is the only monotheist religion that had successfully separated from nation.

Hence, Muslims and Israelis can be manipulated into various globalist criminal projects the way elite sees fit, because "membership" is very fluid.

One of the reasons i have always been a vocal supporter of idea that a nation can under no circumstance be religion and other way round. Religion that doesn't recognize nation, simply does not recognize the fact that there can be no god's chosen people on earth, nor can there be god's nation on earth. Humans are humans, imperfect and sinful.

Post: #69

(08-10-2014 03:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Of course, the folly of the Jews is that Hitler himself was very popular with Muslims, who saw Hitlers' hatred of Jews as quite pleasing. Islamic fascism was very popular.

Most of African countries, including Maghreb, with a dominant Muslim ( West Africa, Maghreb, East Africa) fought with the Allies ( mostly France) against the Nazis.
This is clearly a big sign of popularity of Hitler among Muslims.
When are you going to stop your generalization of Muslims? Muslims are not a single united faction, at least not as much as the Jews. Look at what happens in Irak, the different confreries in Africa, the wars in Iran. Even in my home country, in which I am currently, there are some dissensions towards some social and religious questions. We had 3 celebration day of the Aid, instead of only one.

You are not the only one to do this. Many times, many of RVFers who always go into religion debates throw out this, like all Muslims are supposed to be united, fight together for the same cause, leave in peace between brothers etc etc.

So I ask you (again) : when you throw a generalization of Muslims, check your sources. Remember all the different countries where there is a significant number of Muslims, their behaviour, their race too ( Asian ones have a different culture than Westerners or Africans) and avoid some mistakes that you want us to believe as facts.

Post: #70

(08-10-2014 09:52 AM)mikado Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Of course, the folly of the Jews is that Hitler himself was very popular with Muslims, who saw Hitlers' hatred of Jews as quite pleasing. Islamic fascism was very popular.

Most of African countries, including Maghreb, with a dominant Muslim ( West Africa, Maghreb, East Africa) fought with the Allies ( mostly France) against the Nazis.
This is clearly a big sign of popularity of Hitler among Muslims.
When are you going to stop your generalization of Muslims? Muslims are not a single united faction, at least not as much as the Jews. Look at what happens in Irak, the different confreries in Africa, the wars in Iran. Even in my home country, in which I am currently, there are some dissensions towards some social and religious questions. We had 3 celebration day of the Aid, instead of only one.

You are not the only one to do this. Many times, many of RVFers who always go into religion debates throw out this, like all Muslims are supposed to be united, fight together for the same cause, leave in peace between brothers etc etc.

So I ask you (again) : when you throw a generalization of Muslims, check your sources. Remember all the different countries where there is a significant number of Muslims, their behaviour, their race too ( Asian ones have a different culture than Westerners or Africans) and avoid some mistakes that you want us to believe as facts.

You'll have to understand, when 99% of people hear the word "Muslim" they think of middle eastern countries, which is who I was referring to. I guess I'll have to be more specific when talking about Islamic fascism, although from what I hear the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt does not like Jews either so I think they probably have respect for Hitler too.

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitl...rhood.html



So, "Not all muslims are like that," but most of them are.

Post: #71

Yes, the Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler, but that doesn't mean much; a picture of Hitler meeting with Neville Chamberlain wouldn't justify an inference that British people have respect for Hitler or a liking of fascism, and likewise Ireland's friendly relations with Nazi Germany say nothing at all about Irish people's sympathies today.

Post: #72

(08-10-2014 11:02 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 09:52 AM)mikado Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Of course, the folly of the Jews is that Hitler himself was very popular with Muslims, who saw Hitlers' hatred of Jews as quite pleasing. Islamic fascism was very popular.

Most of African countries, including Maghreb, with a dominant Muslim ( West Africa, Maghreb, East Africa) fought with the Allies ( mostly France) against the Nazis.
This is clearly a big sign of popularity of Hitler among Muslims.
When are you going to stop your generalization of Muslims? Muslims are not a single united faction, at least not as much as the Jews. Look at what happens in Irak, the different confreries in Africa, the wars in Iran. Even in my home country, in which I am currently, there are some dissensions towards some social and religious questions. We had 3 celebration day of the Aid, instead of only one.

You are not the only one to do this. Many times, many of RVFers who always go into religion debates throw out this, like all Muslims are supposed to be united, fight together for the same cause, leave in peace between brothers etc etc.

So I ask you (again) : when you throw a generalization of Muslims, check your sources. Remember all the different countries where there is a significant number of Muslims, their behaviour, their race too ( Asian ones have a different culture than Westerners or Africans) and avoid some mistakes that you want us to believe as facts.

You'll have to understand, when 99% of people hear the word "Muslim" they think of middle eastern countries, which is who I was referring to. I guess I'll have to be more specific when talking about Islamic fascism, although from what I hear the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt does not like Jews either so I think they probably have respect for Hitler too.

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitl...rhood.html



So, "Not all muslims are like that," but most of them are.

Yes, but no.
You MUST be specific, point.

"from what I hear the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt does not like Jews either so I think they probably have respect for Hitler too."

So when someone does not like Jews, it means they have respect for Hitler?
Did you reread yourself before (or after) posting this?

I do not like what Israel does to Palestinians. I don't like their influence in America, or the rest of the world. Thus, according to you, I have respect for Hitler?

This is exactly why I always call you out. You are only exposing us what you believe in. Sure, a lot of muslims are like that. Probably some in Middle East... However, a lot of African people feel the same as me ( I would bet a lot on this). But we also remember the atrocities Hitler commited... No wonder why the father of my grandparent fought against Hitler. We are opposed to violence too.
For me, leaving out all the muslims who are opposed to violence, completely dissociate themselves from ISIS, Irak, Saudi Arabia or whatever country, only practice their religion for themselves, is just massive hypocrisy from you.

We all understand you hate Islam, but at least when you are trying to trash the religion, avoid generalizing, blatantly lying, or cherry picking, or making us believe that your opinion is true for all muslims. Especially when you were already called out on this forum for giving advice about countries you never went to.

PS: as Saga said, taking the example of the Mufti of Jerusalem ( who I am sure is not even known by a lot of muslims today, at least, not in my country) to say that all muslims followed Hitler, is a case of cherry picking.

Post: #73

(08-09-2014 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I wonder if people will ever correctly assign blame to the role the Jews played in this? Like the Russians who figured out that Bolshevism was mostly a Jewish invention?

I also wonder if the Jews will change their mind about immigration? If they don't, it just proves how politically inept and clueless the Jews are as a class of people.

No, I doubt they will do that for the foreseeable future. Most people today won't even admit that Bolshevism was a jewish movement, despite the fact that the German Bolshevist Coup post WW1 (which most people don't even know about) had ONLY jewish leaders. 9 of 10 mentioned on Wikipedia are jewish.

As for the jews changing their stance on multi-culturalism, I doubt it. Keep in mind jewish orgs always say that 'European' antisemittism is on the rise or that they are subject to attacks from 'europeans' when they full know that it's arabs and palestinians NOT europeans. That shows fully that the general jewish viewpoint is that Europe does not belong to the original europeans. They do not recognize the european right to ethnic nationstates, for exactly the reason you mention, they have an absurd paranoia of a new Hitler, but they don't see that they are yet again in the process of fermenting real anti-semittism by meddling in individual nations who do not want the multi-culti utopia.

You have to wonder if there is some real flaw in jewish culture since they basically seem unable to look objectively on their actions. It's always just 'anti-semittism' without any analysis on if they could be causing it.

Post: #74

(08-10-2014 09:23 AM)Orion Wrote:  I don't know about Jews worldwide, but Jews in Israel are overwhelmingly right wing.

Yes of course they are. Even most staunchly jewish multi-culti leftists abroad are die hard ethnic zionists when it comes to Israel.

That kind of double standard is exactly why anti-semittism grows.

Post: #75

Let's not make a mistake and think that the US will intervene to protect the government in Baghdad. They are aligning with Iran, and since they aren't playing ball with the US, they shouldn't expect any help. Whereas the Kurds have played ball with us and the Israelis. This intervention makes sense within the context of the fact that the Kurds are a major supplier of oil to Israel.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherh...ependence/

Lets not pretend the US cares about Christians, Shia, Yazidis or whatever minority group(they were happy to fund ISIS in Syria when they were persecuting such groups there or in Central Iraq), all they care about is their geopolitical hegemony and guaranteeing Israeli security in the region.