Post: #1

I'm not exactly sure where to post this since this topic isn't off topic enough to be the "Everything Else" section of the forum nor is it "seasoned" enough to be posted in the general "Game" section.

So I was reading the newly released RoK article (http://www.returnofkings.com/38722/35-si...is-a-whore) and I've been doing some thinking. During my meditation, I've came at a very brutal conclusion. And the harsh reality that I've came to realized is that all girls are just whores. Now before you guys start calling me shallow. Please hear me out first.

Because of our motality, one of our highest priority or arguably the highest in this life is to leave a legacy. And one of ways to do this is by procreation.

And in order to accomplish this is to of course have unprotected sexual intercourse between two people that one possesses the penis and another one that consist of a vagina, assuming that both of these parts are functioning appropriately.

For the process to complete, the male genitalia have to be erected in order to have a healthy ejaculation into the female vaginal tube.

So what stimulate our reproductive organs? Well there are a few things that are nearly all universally accepted. I will list them and briefly explain them scientifically.

1. Sizable breast carrying organs Aka "Big titties":
Bigger breast = more milk produced for the kids = stronger offspring.

2. Hip to waist ratio Aka "Phat booties":
A high ratio usually go along with wider hips which are beneficial when giving birth.

3. Toned legs:
Essential for houseworks.

4. Large eyes:
Innocent looks.

So it is established that all those trait are preferred due to evolutionary purposes. So it is only natural for men to be attracted to them. Meanwhile, in the midst of such selection, let's look at things from a woman's perspective.

After a man's seed have been implemented into ladies' eggs to procreate, she goes through a phase of metamorphosis that will take as much as 10 months. During that time, her health is severely weakened due to the fact that her body is now attempting to provide for more than person. This hampers herself both psychologically and physique. And because of those hindrance, she can no longer survive by her own. She needs another party to take care of her and the unborn or else she will have the face the ultimate dread there is: death.

And you've guessed it right, that responsibility indeed falls upon the father figure of the child because his biophysique doesn't go through changes as drastic as the mother. This gives the man the chance to perpetually continue seeking survive methods without much encumbrance.

Now those method of survival can be a plethora of things. It could mean that the man is physically strong to work through harsh times and to protect the family. It could be that the man have charismatic skills in order to have the right influence to get other people helping the family. Or it could mean that he have any other particular set of skills that no others possesses. But all of those skills directly translate into one thing: resources.

To summarize: Men priotize girl's physical qualities and women are primarily attracted to men's resources So there have always been an economical exchange between the two factors in the courting market. And here in RVF, we all know the definition of a "whore".

That being said, I would really appreciated for anyone to chime in on this.

Post: #2

You are defining "whore" as a woman who is attracted to men's resources?

It's like calling men "dogs" because they're attracted to women with nice hip-to-waist ratios.

The genders have different attraction triggers. There's no need to disparage one or the other gender over this, it's just the way of the world.

Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly.

Post: #3

(08-02-2014 09:04 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  You are defining "whore" as a woman who is attracted to men's resources?

It's like calling men "dogs" because they're attracted to women with nice hip-to-waist ratios.

The genders have different attraction triggers. There's no need to disparage one or the other gender over this, it's just the way of the world.

Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly.

No that's not what I'm saying at all!

I'm writing this because there are a lot of guys out there (myself included) who have/had trouble wrapping their heads around the reason why their girl left them or they are being duped by the media that it is wrong to "sexualize" girls and being bombarded with #fatacceptance messages that they feel guilty with their sexual attraction and thus try to push away those feelings instead of acting upon them by approaching girls.

It all depends on how you frame the word "whore". Some people thinks lowly of the term that they are trashy, uneducated girls to let strangers use them sexually for money. But in fact, every girl in one way or another, whore themselves out in exchange of resources for their physical attractiveness and whoever "whores" that gives out the least in the trade-off are the ones that gets the squeeze the most out of a men's finance. When you look at it through different lenses, the term "whore" is no longer degrading, instead it became business savvy.

Post: #4

Not every sexual interaction between a man and a woman is motivated by money. You're focusing on the beta bucks alone. Women in general are not principally attracted to a man's resources.

Post: #5

(08-02-2014 09:29 PM)TheTemple Wrote:  No that's not what I'm saying at all!

I'm writing this because there are a lot of guys out there (myself included) who have/had trouble wrapping their heads around the reason why their girl left them or they are being duped by the media that it is wrong to "sexualize" girls and being bombarded with #fatacceptance messages that they feel guilty with their sexual attraction and thus try to push away those feelings instead of acting upon them by approaching girls.

OK so definitely don't feel guilty or apologize for being attracted to what you're attracted to.

(08-02-2014 09:29 PM)TheTemple Wrote:  It all depends on how you frame the word "whore". Some people thinks lowly of the term that they are trashy, uneducated girls to let strangers use them sexually for money. But in fact, every girl in one way or another, whore themselves out in exchange of resources for their physical attractiveness and whoever "whores" that gives out the least in the trade-off are the ones that gets the squeeze the most out of a men's finance. When you look at it through different lenses, the term "whore" is no longer degrading, instead it became business savvy.

You're viewing this combatatively. It does not have to be combatative or exploitative.

To attract high-quality women, you must be high-value. If you are attracting women who are exploitative and just want you for your money, it's because your value isn't high enough to attract ones who are not toxic and manipulative. If girls are just trying to extract value from you, ie just get your money, they don't see you as attractive in other ways. You need to build yourself up.

Read this post by Krauser:

http://krauserpua.com/2011/10/17/integrity/

High value women do not sleep with low value men

It’s possible to get Type 2 girls (high beauty / low self esteem) into bed with manipulative low value behviour yet it’s almost impossible to have rewarding relationships with them. I’ve met plenty of community guys who rack up lay-after-lay with grotty women, women of low character, or simply normal pretty girls where it begins ok and things turn south rapidly precisely because of the man’s conduct in his pursuit and subsequent relationship. For whatever reason these men feel compelled to stay on the treadmill day-after-day, night-after-night trying to placate whatever demons rest inside them,

Post: #6

Guys usually use the word 'whore' when she is giving it to someone but not him. Ive never seen a guy calling an ugly girl he is not interested, whore.

Post: #7

(08-02-2014 10:33 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:29 PM)TheTemple Wrote:  No that's not what I'm saying at all!

I'm writing this because there are a lot of guys out there (myself included) who have/had trouble wrapping their heads around the reason why their girl left them or they are being duped by the media that it is wrong to "sexualize" girls and being bombarded with #fatacceptance messages that they feel guilty with their sexual attraction and thus try to push away those feelings instead of acting upon them by approaching girls.

OK so definitely don't feel guilty or apologize for being attracted to what you're attracted to.

(08-02-2014 09:29 PM)TheTemple Wrote:  It all depends on how you frame the word "whore". Some people thinks lowly of the term that they are trashy, uneducated girls to let strangers use them sexually for money. But in fact, every girl in one way or another, whore themselves out in exchange of resources for their physical attractiveness and whoever "whores" that gives out the least in the trade-off are the ones that gets the squeeze the most out of a men's finance. When you look at it through different lenses, the term "whore" is no longer degrading, instead it became business savvy.

You're viewing this combatatively. It does not have to be combatative or exploitative.

To attract high-quality women, you must be high-value. If you are attracting women who are exploitative and just want you for your money, it's because your value isn't high enough to attract ones who are not toxic and manipulative. If girls are just trying to extract value from you, ie just get your money, they don't see you as attractive in other ways. You need to build yourself up.

Read this post by Krauser:

http://krauserpua.com/2011/10/17/integrity/

High value women do not sleep with low value men

It’s possible to get Type 2 girls (high beauty / low self esteem) into bed with manipulative low value behviour yet it’s almost impossible to have rewarding relationships with them. I’ve met plenty of community guys who rack up lay-after-lay with grotty women, women of low character, or simply normal pretty girls where it begins ok and things turn south rapidly precisely because of the man’s conduct in his pursuit and subsequent relationship. For whatever reason these men feel compelled to stay on the treadmill day-after-day, night-after-night trying to placate whatever demons rest inside them,

No I'm not saying that I'm attracted to women that are exploitative. I'm saying that the exploitation is everywhere in the dating market.

I've personally witnessed guys who thought that their girlfriends were the highest value creatures out there only to find their girls cheating on them with another guy with game. This means that girls would only stay with you if you are her current best option. The moment another guy with better prospect comes along, and if he is a ruthless cold-blooded man and actually decided to go for her, she WILL leave you. There is NO un-gameable girls out there. With the proper strategy, the appropriate physique, the right words, and congruent body language; you can make 99% of the girls fall in love with you.

The whole concept of "game" in the sexual market (at least in my personal opinion) is to exploit the nature of women that they are hypergamous. It is to use the least amount of effort to bang the hottest chicks out there. This means to put the least amount of monetary resources on a girl.

There is always one person getting played and another person playing in a relationship, being the player is always the more satisfying path of the two.

(08-02-2014 11:18 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  Guys usually use the word 'whore' when she is giving it to someone but not him. Ive never seen a guy calling an ugly girl he is not interested, whore.

Not sure if it is allowed in here. But if you watch pornographic materials featuring Manuel Ferrara, he calls the girls he is banging a "whore" frequently.

It is a very dominant move to use in a relationship to display high value/put women in their place.

Post: #8

I smell

Post: #9

(08-03-2014 12:39 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I smell

If this is referring to me, I would really appreciate if you would come up with arguments against this thesis instead of being ignorant.

Please and thank you.

Post: #10

(08-03-2014 12:45 AM)TheTemple Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 12:39 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I smell

If this is referring to me, I would really appreciate if you would come up with arguments against this thesis instead of being ignorant.

Please and thank you.

Dude if u wanna bang a girl, then you just gotta approach them. Are female peacocks whores because they like males with fancy feathers? Are female deer whores because they only like male deer with big antlers? Either play the game and pass your genes on, or don't play and your ashes are dissipated in the wind. Female humans are still animals, and if you want them you need to have what they're looking for.

Post: #11

Do you even approach bro?

Seems like you're thinking too hard and not putting in much effort in actually doing stuff.

A large part of game is counter intuitive, and only when you have real life experiences can you see these parts in the proper context.

Seems to me that you're having trouble assimilating contrasting ideas together, even blatantly obvious ones.

Anyway, to your question - are all women whores?
Yes, and no.

P.S. most women don't get off on the ideal of shitloads of money. They get off on to the ideal of a man who has shitloads of money.

The difference should be obvious, no?

Post: #12

(08-03-2014 12:50 AM)edtf Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 12:45 AM)TheTemple Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 12:39 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I smell

If this is referring to me, I would really appreciate if you would come up with arguments against this thesis instead of being ignorant.

Please and thank you.

Dude if u wanna bang a girl, then you just gotta approach them. Are female peacocks whores because they like males with fancy feathers? Are female deer whores because they only like male deer with big antlers? Either play the game and pass your genes on, or don't play and your ashes are dissipated in the wind. Female humans are still animals, and if you want them you need to have what they're looking for.

Which is my point anyways.

Are they whores? Absolutely!

Is it wrong to be one? Definitely not!

But glad to know that there are people that knows the rule of the game.

By the way, I'm writing it here because I'm not exactly sure whether or not this hypothesis is correct or not. Because after thinking about it, it truly enlightened me on how to perceive the world and so far have helped me tremendously in communicating with the opposite sex.

I just want some form "validation" from the fellow RVFers here to mentally cement the thought.

Post: #13

How many approaches have you done, total? If its not a big number, I suggest putting in some work there before summarizing the universe and all its animals as whores. You can't hypothesize without data, so go out, gather some data, and then come back. Make a thread to track your progress. I'm still a noob, but I'll try to help when I can.

Post: #14

(08-03-2014 01:16 AM)Sharkie Wrote:  Do you even approach bro?

Seems like you're thinking too hard and not putting in much effort in actually doing stuff.

A large part of game is counter intuitive, and only when you have real life experiences can you see these parts in the proper context.

Seems to me that you're having trouble assimilating contrasting ideas together, even blatantly obvious ones.

Anyway, to your question - are all women whores?
Yes, and no.

P.S. most women don't get off on the ideal of shitloads of money. They get off on to the ideal of a man who has shitloads of money.

The difference should be obvious, no?

Again, I think context here is pretty important. I'm only referring to the dating market. And in the heterosexual dating market, there will be of course a man and a woman so yeah it is essential for a man to be involved. So I absolutely agree that they (women) get off on to the ideal of a man who has shitloads of money.

But I'm curious on why you think that women don't get off on the ideal of having a lot money. If a girl have a lot of money, she can use it to enhance her aesthetic appeal by either purchasing high end makeup, breast enlargement, plastic surgery, and fashionable clothing. Such ad-ons will most certainly have more guys to be interested in her and thus increasing the chance of her landing a high value man.

Personally, I think that if a women have a lot of cash and want a high value man, money in this case can definitely help her out tone to improve her odd no? What do you think?

(08-03-2014 01:32 AM)edtf Wrote:  How many approaches have you done, total? If its not a big number, I suggest putting in some work there before summarizing the universe and all its animals as whores. You can't hypothesize without data, so go out, gather some data, and then come back. Make a thread to track your progress. I'm still a noob, but I'll try to help when I can.

If you are here, then you must know that the girls are attracted high value men. Roosh and all other game-related content producers have been putting this message out there incessantly in order to let the misinformed know. You can say that this fact have been pretty cemented.

So as long as you are high value, you can get sex with attractive girls. I'm not even arguing that.

But however, it is very important to know the exact reason behind this fact. Its somewhat like a person memorizing facts vs another person understanding the science behind it. If I can understand why what I'm doing is working, then I will (and am) be more confident (than previously) in the action instead of blindly following a concept.

Then again, this is what have been working for me personally is to get comfortable with the fact that why girls are more attracted to me when I'm in shape, being decisive, humorous, and when I have great postures is because these things can directly translate into higher status (and thus gain more resources) and why I (or men are) am attracted to girls with beautiful figures because it is a symbol of health and fertility beneficial my (potential) offspring.

From the responses, I guess everybody internalizes "game" differently.

Post: #15

Another theory developer.... You sound like a keyboard jockey. Did you go out last night? Or did you work on your thesis?

Post: #16

You answered your own damn question. If you think they are whores then they are whores to you if they aren't they aren't. Each person's perspective is based on their reality and personal perspective. We aren't here to discuss if they are whores or not that's up to personal philosophical interpretation. We are here to get laid. If you don't want in on that you might as well be a as you bring no value to the forum. You aren't documenting your experiences or helping others so there's no point to such a low value thread.