Post: #76

Open Skies Treaty

This treaty is a provision that makes it easy for these planes to cross borders, but this convenience is just a coincidence...

Keoni,
If its one thing I've learned throughout my years, it to not waste time trying to convince people of the self evident, much less anything else along this subject matter. We live in the dark.

Post: #77

(05-15-2015 12:57 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  They're legitimate.


While working in the military on a DOD-exclusive system, I came across files (Marked UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO) that talk about something called "Operation Patriot Spray". The files themselves are a list of talking points that Force Commanders "should be prepared to discuss due to the high visibility of spraying operations".

Don't believe me? Look it up on SIPR.

Ok, print it out or save it....then upload it here.

Do it and I'll give you a rep point.

Post: #78

delete

Post: #79

Why would they be spraying over the desert? If the government was trying to poison people it would make more sense to spray populated areas. Most likely the trails are from military training flights. CA/NV/UT/CO/NM/AZ skies are the military's playground.

Here is a long but good read:
The Ultimate Ground Speed Check - Tales from the Blackbird

"There were a lot of things we couldn't do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.

It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet......"



I could be wrong though. The fed gov did test nuclear bombs in the deserts of NV and NM. There is a federal fund that pays people who lived in certain counties and develop cancer $50,000. Shit, after reading this page it wouldn't surprise me if the government is doing something shady related to chemtrails. Unlikely but not impossible based on past actions.

Post: #80

(05-15-2015 01:07 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 12:57 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  They're legitimate.


While working in the military on a DOD-exclusive system, I came across files (Marked UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO) that talk about something called "Operation Patriot Spray". The files themselves are a list of talking points that Force Commanders "should be prepared to discuss due to the high visibility of spraying operations".

Don't believe me? Look it up on SIPR.

It's the military in each country who is doing it - sometimes a pilot lets go a few morsels.

Recently there was a panel at the United Nations where they called those sprayings "experiments". Usually they call it geoengineering, but officially deny that it is happening.




http://yournewswire.com/the-united-natio...-are-real/

But I guess that nothing will convince some - not their own eyes, not the movies you watch before 1995 and see clear skys, nothing - if it's not in the New York Beta Times, then it does not exist.

Yeah, that blew the lid off the super secret conspiracy of weather modification. So much so, that it's not even secret anymore. http://www.weathermodification.com/

Hell, NASA is even trying to do it on a planetary scale. http://quest.nasa.gov/mars/background/terra.html

Weather modification does not equal a systematic attempt of poisoning the population.

Post: #81

(05-15-2015 04:38 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  Yeah, that blew the lid off the super secret conspiracy of weather modification. So much so, that it's not even secret anymore. http://www.weathermodification.com/

Hell, NASA is even trying to do it on a planetary scale. http://quest.nasa.gov/mars/background/terra.html

Weather modification does not equal a systematic attempt of poisoning the population.

It's not about poisoning the population - if it does shorten the lifespan of a few hundred million, then it's a plus, but that is of course not a logical choice.

I have read old reports from the 1970s that it takes years and years until the stratosphere is saturated to effect changes very efficiently.

There was even a UN peace agreement drafted not to use those technologies in open warfare against each other - a US senator's co-worker managed to get those docs and published them.

The reasons for the spraying are likely more than a few. One of the recent ones they give for "wanting" to start is to slow global warming. Global dimming by the way is already happening because less direct sunlight is entering the ground.

If you take a hard look at all the sites offering plenty of links and even government papers you see that something is going on. It's not as simple as saying that it's about the poisoning of the population - that fact alone would not make much sense. You can read the reports and see the HAARP technology not only able to effect weather changes, droughts, hurricanes (that stuff is old - 1970s tech) - but it can also be used to effect human emotional ranges of anger, despair etc - so potentially crowd control and direct psychological warfare.

I dare everyone to watch a few movies from the early 1990s or older with plenty of skies visible - over areas with a ton of air traffic - and then compare it to the very same cities now. The air traffic has increased, but not by that much. Also you will note that in some countries the spraying stops on Sundays and holidays. Suddenly it's all clear despite not much reduction in air traffic.

There are many many more details on that, but if you don't take a look, then of course it will always remain a "conspiracy theory".

No hate here - does not matter in our private lives much. It's not as if any of us will be able to get firsthand experience of that and then live to tell the story. Plus - I respect fully all guys who don't believe it to be true - that stuff sounds so incredibly crazy when you hear about it first. Everyone is trying to be rational according to the experiences and accounts that he makes. Personally I am willing to reassess all my mental engrams if it's at least not completely bonkers.

Post: #82

Check #4. Food for thought,

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-14...arful-face

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Post: #83

The ability to discredit an idea is a powerful tool that allows an information broker the ability to direct discussion and control the narrative surrounding an issue.

If you are using the word Chemtrails, you are playing by their rules, and you have already lost. Before anyone has even begun to do their own research on the subject, they already know by word association that "Chemtrails" = conspiracy theory = crazy = social isolation = negative consequences. Open minded analysis is thus discouraged before it even begins. This can be done with nearly any concept or idea.

From as soon as we can hear, we begin to associate meaning to words. It is how we understand the world around us and how we communicate with others. We are programmed to assign meaning and emotions with different words. Marketing and Public relations are advanced sciences that has evolved into a powerful means of directing thought and emotion.

You can teach people to accept an idea as hostile or benign depending on how you portray it.

Homosexual (benign) or Homophile (strange, creepy)?
Straight (benign) or Homophobic (hostile)?

Before I read this thread, I had done precisely zero reading regarding the topic "chemtrails". But I already knew that the word has a negative association and brings negative social perceptions upon the user. To me, that raises a red flag. When you begin to take a step back, and apply this same methodology to other words, you begin to see how common this practice is.

It is geoengineering, not chemtrails. Let's weigh the merits with an open mind.





(H/T durangotang)

Post: #84

(05-07-2016 03:34 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  The ability to discredit an idea is a powerful tool that allows an information broker the ability to direct discussion and control the narrative surrounding an issue.

If you are using the word Chemtrails, you are playing by their rules, and you have already lost. Before anyone has even begun to do their own research on the subject, they already know by word association that "Chemtrails" = conspiracy theory = crazy = social isolation = negative consequences. Open minded analysis is thus discouraged before it even begins. This can be done with nearly any concept or idea.

From as soon as we can hear, we begin to associate meaning to words. It is how we understand the world around us and how we communicate with others. We are programmed to assign meaning and emotions with different words. Marketing and Public relations are advanced sciences that has evolved into a powerful means of directing thought and emotion.

You can teach people to accept an idea as hostile or benign depending on how you portray it.

Homosexual (benign) or Homophile (strange, creepy)?
Straight (benign) or Homophobic (hostile)?

Before I read this thread, I had done precisely zero reading regarding the topic "chemtrails". But I already knew that the word has a negative association and brings negative social perceptions upon the user. To me, that raises a red flag. When you begin to take a step back, and apply this same methodology to other words, you begin to see how common this practice is.

It is geoengineering, not chemtrails. Let's weigh the merits with an open mind.

I have no comment on the situation of chemtrails/geoengineering, but I would like to point out how succinctly and eloquently you pointed out the process of narrative-control which in turns leads to though-control which is social engineering. When you control the language you control the people. You can manipulate the meanings of words to hold different weight, mean different things, and even become meaningless through simple repetition of association.

Post: #85

There's one factor that's kept me from wholeheartedly accepting chemtrails as something I need to be concerned about:

Why would global elites spray THEMSELVES or willfully affect their own environment (like engineer a drought)?

Post: #86

Alas, if only NASA Test Pilot were around to settle this matter...

Post: #87

I can see NTP is already becoming a forum legend! Much like Gmanifesto, Little Dark and John Bozzzzzzz

Post: #88

Also worth noting again, and this is the ONLY reason I feel comfortable mentioning, is that you can easily find documents marked "unclassified" which are presented as a list of talking points for Air Force commanders to use if asked about spraying operations by local media or citizens.

Post: #89

(05-15-2015 05:47 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I dare everyone to watch a few movies from the early 1990s or older with plenty of skies visible - over areas with a ton of air traffic - and then compare it to the very same cities now. The air traffic has increased, but not by that much. Also you will note that in some countries the spraying stops on Sundays and holidays. Suddenly it's all clear despite not much reduction in air traffic.

There are many many more details on that, but if you don't take a look, then of course it will always remain a "conspiracy theory".

No hate here - does not matter in our private lives much. It's not as if any of us will be able to get firsthand experience of that and then live to tell the story.

Oh, I've seen it. I remember one day driving home from work and I noticed a cloud coming in on the horizon over a nearby military base(famous location that's appeared in multiple movies/TV shows). when I looked a bit closer trying to see if it was a storm cloud, I was able to make out a duo of large aircraft near the cloud......both of them spraying out a thick contrail behind them. I kept an eye on them the whole way home and there two things unusual. Not only were they flying around the area in a repeated circular pattern which was clearly NOT the racetrack shaped holding pattern commercial aircraft use, and the cloud was actually their contrails: the planes were flying upwind of the cloud, spraying out a think mist that spread out to become the cloud.

Post: #90

(05-18-2016 10:57 AM)Veloce Wrote:  There's one factor that's kept me from wholeheartedly accepting chemtrails as something I need to be concerned about:

Why would global elites spray THEMSELVES or willfully affect their own environment (like engineer a drought)?

That is the million dollar question. Qui Bono? Due to the sensitivity of the matter, I don't know if the answer will be forthcoming.

However, we can speculate.

For one, I think we can establish that similar examples have occurred in the past.

There is a growing body of evidence that environmental estrogens like phthalates and such as birth control, pesticides, plastics, fertilizers have substantially negative health effects. They may be responsible for low testosterone, birth defects related to sexual and intellectual development, increased risk of cancer, and so on.

Some of the negative health effects could be mitigated. Regarding environmental estrogens, those who are aware of the problem could take steps to reduce their exposure and intake. TRT could be used to offset some of the downsides of endocrine disfunction, and in the worst cases an aramotase inhibitor could be used.

Assuming that geoengineering is occurring, the most credible allegations are that atomic metallic particles are being seeded in the stratosphere to manipulate climate. Medical literature is beginning to accumulate that suggests that high accumulation of metals lead to premature aging and cognitive disorders such as alzheimers. To mitigate these effects, those aware of it could use advanced water purifiers (reverse osmosis based, or berkeys), and rinse all their vegetables thoroughly. Giving blood occasionally would also be beneficial. Using dietary metal chelators (curcumin with piperine, baby aspirin, etc) or eating food high in turmeric and black pepper would help to clear a large volume of the harmful metals from the bloodstream and organs.

One powerful motive would be money. A prolonged drought would potentially encourage homeowners and agricultural companies to sell off some of the most prized real estate in the country for a song. Once enough people have left and most property has been consolidated, the climactic conditions could be reversed and huge profits could be generated by selling everyone back their land. Buy low, sell high. This is essentially what was done by the "Oligarchs" (such as Khodorkovsky) in Russia after the collapse of the USSR. One potential downside to this would be the temporary loss in tax revenue due to the exodus of taxpayers and lower property tax rates.

Another potential motive would be to exert control over politically and economically independent groups. Some of the more high profile separatist movements (Utah ranchers, Branch Davidians) have occurred in "flyover country" where reliance on government for their well being is minimal. More importantly than those groups, there is a large volume of people existing in the area that may be considered "homesteaders", "preppers", are very pro gun rights, religious, and live in tight knit communities. The ability to decrease the viability of arable land and force those people into regions that are more amendable to urban, centralized lifestyles would prevent them from continuing lifestyles that are incompatible to globalism.

Again, all just speculation on my part.

Post: #91

With regards to the first post in this thread:

I spent 9 years spreading democracy and killing terrorists with the US Navy. My roles were mainly in the supply capacity.

You just can do that right out of school, so they train you quite a bit.

I went to NAS Fallon in Nevada to learn the basics of a plane called the e-6 Mercury, and the supply chain that supported it. This is a big sucker and it does quite a few different things. One of those is mapping out areas from high altitudes to control missile launches from ships, killing the terrorists.

The exact training mission we did on that thing was to fly in a grid, and make a map of Las Vegas, strictly for practice purposes.

We contrailed the shit out of the sky CONtrailed not CHEMtrailed. There are certain chemicals that those planes can release near the engines so as to avoid making the contrails, but you don't use them during training for cost reasons.

Fallon is the biggest navy air training facility, and I bet the OP saw something training from there.

Aloha!

Post: #92

We contrailed the shit out of the sky CONtrailed not CHEMtrailed. There are certain chemicals that those planes can release near the engines so as to avoid making the contrails, but you don't use them during training for cost reasons.

Aloha Kona,

You offer a good explanation for your personal experience. My question to you is that your explanation still doesn't account for my observation that these trail patterns dispersed over several hours and turned the sky all cloudy and gray.

Having grown up on O'ahu for most of my life, I've seen plenty of contrails from fighter jets flying out of both Hickam - Pearl Harbor Joint, as well as Kaneohe Marine Corps Base.

I've watched fighter jets streak for miles across the sky and leave a contrail that hangs for several minutes before dissipating into nothing...but never contrails that hung in the sky for such a long time period and dissolves into a murky gray, cloud cover like I saw in Vegas as I mentioned in the OP.

Anyhow, since I first posted this thread, I've since seen other videos like the one thoughtgypsy posted in this thread. There are agents of the government outright admitting to spraying the skies to purposely change the weather.

I also know that TPTB are precisely the sort of people that use NLP techniques to get away with their machinations. As General Stalin pointed out in his excellent comment above: "When you control the language you control the people. You can manipulate the meanings of words to hold different weight, mean different things, and even become meaningless through simple repetition of association. "

All THEY need do is create a narrative (CONSPIRACY THEORY! aka "CHEMTRAILS!!") and push it in the proper alternative channels and voila!, THEY can get away with whatever they want, because the narrative has already been co-opted by the controlled opposition/alternative media, and most normal folks automatically discount it by association.

aka - "I saw that on InfoWars - pay no mind to all that crazy conspiracy stuff."

Post: #93

(05-18-2016 09:03 PM)K Galt Wrote:  Aloha Kona,

You offer a good explanation for your personal experience. My question to you is that your explanation still doesn't account for my observation that these trail patterns dispersed over several hours and turned the sky all cloudy and gray.

Having grown up on O'ahu for most of my life, I've seen plenty of contrails from fighter jets flying out of both Hickam - Pearl Harbor Joint, as well as Kaneohe Marine Corps Base.

Aloha brother,

The only thing that can be said, if what you saw was indeed CON not CHEM trails is that they dissipate differently at different altitudes and in different environments.

I'm more inclined to believe the people that say chemtrailing happens quite a bit in Hawaii, as opposed to Vegas.

1) if things get out of control here, its way more isolated and bad shit isn't going to spread across the entire country. You only wipe out a tiny percentage of us agriculture or worse, population when something goes awry here.

2) the amount of things Monsanto does here is incredible. They own so many different odd little companies that nobody knows about. I saw a truck the other day for something called Kamaka Waste. Turns out that,has something to do with Monsanto.

3) I see lots of high flying four-engine planes with no windows. Hawaii has c-17s and kc-135s based here, but that's it in that category. Granted they could be landing here. Military planes land in diffent patterns than normal ones. It just strikes me as odd.

4) You, having grown up on Oahu like me, gotta admit the weather is different now than it was 25 years ago. Not just temperature, we DID NOT have VOG when I was a kid. Things like ragweed and pollen levels were rarely mentioned, now they're high all the time.

And those are my thoughts on the chemtrail scenario. Hope they make sense.

Aloha!

Post: #94

(05-18-2016 10:57 AM)Veloce Wrote:  There's one factor that's kept me from wholeheartedly accepting chemtrails as something I need to be concerned about:

Why would global elites spray THEMSELVES or willfully affect their own environment (like engineer a drought)?

You are absolutely right - spraying the skies just to slow-poison everyone just a bit is not how they operate. If that were the single goal, then they would never do it.

Though in reality it probably kills off some weaker folk, but that certainly cannot be the reason, even if they have ways to purify themselves periodically. Usually those buggers only poison food (pesticicdes and toxic ingredients), vaccines (nevermind if you believe in them or in 'clean batches'), water (fluoride and some other chemicals) as well as cosmetics and various materials used like BPA. All of those things mentioned can be easily prevented with knowledge and even a modicum level of money. The UK Royal family has had private organic farms since over a century where pesticide spraying is forbidden. So essentially you can prevent anything, install filters, avoid toxins.

However what makes sense:
1) HAARP and geo-engineering - manipulation of weather to create droughts and floods is an effective weapon to bring revolting nations to their knees, when they resist 'change'. Actually they might admit it one day since they have been making statements that they 'could' do it to slow 'global warming'. In truth - they may one day just say - 'we did it for x years, because we wanted to save you'

2) Energy projection weapons - I read an article actually based on military tech, that saturating the atmosphere over years and decades with certain metallic particles would result in far better efficacy to fire long-range energy weapons, some of them able to pulverize nukes in mid-air. This would be essential if you say wished to start WW3 and did not desire to have any place you want to be preserved to be nuked. That would be the single most logical reasons for doing it.

http://www.zengardner.com/true-purpose-chemtrails/



There is by the way way too much credible information out there on the subject - I have seen NGO 'proposals', various plane blueprints for spraying crafts, more credible statements by the odd pilot flying (though secretive and extremely well-paid military ones - they are certainly told that they combat climate change) - oh and I have seen it with my eyes and I am old enough to know the difference.

Sprayed like bugs we are ... but personally I am not overly conccerned about it. They do way more evil crap and this is one you cannot avoid - also they will likely only admit it after the fact and when you cannot stop it anyway.

I really should do my Orthomolecular Supplementation Datasheet, so my brothers in spirit can at least accelarate detoxification via smart supplementation that works. In some cases various supplements like vitamin C, D3 or B-group can speed up detox of toxins by a factor of 100. You just need to take for example 2000mg of vitamin C instead of the recommended daily ridiculous amount of 60mg.

Post: #95

I've heard tell that the reptilians are blanketing the earth in micrometals to block out the period of astral enlightenment that is all but upon us. Sort of like putting a giant tin-foil hat over the earth. Ironic really, when you think about it.

All I know is that I'm considerably more concerned about the government kicking in my door at 2AM and blackbagging me than I am about what Chemtrails might be doing to me.

Post: #96

Quote:You, having grown up on Oahu like me, gotta admit the weather is different now than it was 25 years ago. Not just temperature, we DID NOT have VOG when I was a kid. Things like ragweed and pollen levels were rarely mentioned, now they're high all the time.

While this is true in terms of weather and pollen levels have indeed changed in the past 25 years, I would attribute that to Monsanto and all the other Big Ag corporations like Syngenta et al., as we are now the number one producer of GMO seed corn in the nation. They are spraying shit all over their crops and their pollen is definitely unnatural and does get released in the air in the spring time....I know that on O'ahu, allergy and asthma levels are at an all time high amongst the populace.

However, all you need to do is go over to the Big Island and check out Halemaumau crater to see for yourself about the Vog. That crater did not used to spew out all of that vog 25 years ago like it does now. I went to Kona about 4 years ago and the entire West Coast of the Island was blanketed in thick VOG the entire two days I was their.

All it takes is a good Kona wind to blow all that vog up the island chain and we get the LA styled air pollution weather that has become really common as of late.

Along with the rest of the world, we have been seeing a dramatic increase in volcanic and tectonic activity around the entire planet, and Halemaumau is no exception.

Anyhow, good points, I'm glad this old thread can continue to have members contribute to the discussion, rather than the initial responses we got in the first few pages of folks here denouncing and insulting those of us that believe chemtrails are very real...

A hui hou!

Post: #97

This is really one "conspiracy" that needs better quality research and whistleblowing, we know that planes are out there doing their thing but there is no consensus on their their methods and goals.

Post: #98

NASA creating giant, artificial clouds made of barium, strontium, and cupric-oxide which can be seen from New York City to North Carolina. No explanation as to why. Not chem trails, but rather chem trails on steroids. Chem clouds?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...orrow.html

Post: #99

Quite happy to be in the Southern hemisphere.

And south-er than most.

Post: #100

Some interesting quotes from Jay Dyer's article.

Quote:Given that the United Nations was established by Royal Society backing, the “Agenda 21” implementation we have heard much about in the last few decades is part of a much larger strategy foisted upon the global community by these very shadow players. I have detailed previously the connection between mass depopulation, economic overhauls and realignment and the so-called dangers of resource-based economies being directed into a staged crisis by the corporate elite.

Quote:In perfect establishment orthodoxy, the Royal Society paper promotes all the classic fear-based canards of melting ice caps, Malthusian disasters, etc., that have been the harpy screech for some 40 years, not the least of which has manifested. However, for our purposes here, we see the Royal Society is very much a proponent of atmospheric aerosol spraying:

“Mimicking the effects of volcanic eruptions by injecting sulphate aerosols into the lower stratosphere..” (pg. XII)

“Of the Solar Radiation Management methods considered, stratospheric aerosols are currently the most promising because their effects would be more uniformly distributed than for localised Solar Radiation Management methods, they could be much more readily implemented than space-based methods, and would take effect rapidly (within a year or two of deployment).” (pg. XIII)

Quote:This is an interesting claim, as Lord Rees, an important member and contributor to this report authored a book, Just Six Numbers, on the mathematical tuning of the universe , expounding how it demonstrates an amazing balance of symmetry creating the conditions for life. Yet here, we are threatened with humans tipping the perfect balance because humans exist as carbon-based beings, drive cars and fart – cows, too! Like an inside joke from the kleptocryptocracy, the double-talk of promoting a universe with telos and order, and at the same time requiring a mass genocide and reorganization by the scientific priest-class smacks more of a con job than a legitimate scientific endeavor. Rees would have us believe the universe perfectly balances itself to “create” life, and then the IPCC and U.N. will step in to save us from a conversely chaotic, meaningless universe. Which is it? The following quote is highly revealing:

“The greatest challenges to the successful deployment of geoengineering may be the social, ethical, legal and political issues associated with governance, rather than scientific and technical issues. For some methods, like ambient air capture, pre-existing national mechanisms are likely to be sufficient, for others, such as ocean iron fertilisation, existing international mechanisms may be relevant but require some modification. There will however be some methods, particularly those that require transboundary activity or which have transboundary effects, for example stratospheric aerosols or space-based mirrors, which may require new international mechanisms. Appropriate governance mechanisms for deployment should be established before Carbon Dioxide Removal or Solar Radiation Management methods are actually needed in practice.” (pg. 13)

Translation: The pesky humans (carbon) and their morals will get in the way of our program, so we will need to do it covertly under the guise of science and global crises. Space-based mirrors will be needed to aid in the reflecting process, we are told, yet if my analysis is correct, and the invention of the climate threat is a scam, the real reason for “space-based” technology of this sort would likely be weaponized. Modern science itself is not based on altruism – on the contrary, most modern technological advancements are based around militarization and global population management (and destruction).

Quote:The report continues:

“A wide range of types of particles could be released into the stratosphere with the objective of scattering sunlight back to space. Important factors that differentiate the effects of different types of particles include their size, and whether or not they conduct electricity (Teller et al. 1997,
2002). For non-conducting particles, the optimal size for scattering sunlight is a few tenths of a micron. Particles much larger than this become effective at scattering outgoing long wave (heat) radiation and thus have potential to cause a warming influence.” (pg. 29)

The Teller mentioned is Dr. Edward Teller, the maker of they Hydrogen bomb and physicist who is a big name in pioneering atmospheric spraying and weather modification. Teller is cited often in on these reports and papers, and his high pedigree as a bomb manufacturer should immediately raise eyebrows concerning his weather and climate modification designs. Is the bomb creator now suddenly a humanitarian who wants to save earth from the “climate” and “carbon”? Or are they part of the shadow military industrial subversion complex that seeks full spectrum dominance over all life? Let’s be realistic here. The manipulation and control envisioned here is the weaponization of the entirety of man’s environment, ultimately for the purpose of control and depopulation: The same establishment behind the NSA and its eye in the sky is behind the climate façade.