Post: #1

If I had to reduce Game to just one word, it would be self-discipline.

Self-Discipline: Training and control of oneself and one's conduct, usually for personal improvement. Self-discipline is not only about stopping yourself from doing something BUT also forcing yourself to act.

If you can simply learn to control yourself, specifically your actions, you will be 70% ahead of the game. Learn to control yourself in these three areas:

Communication: you text a girl and she doesn't response. Don't send another text until a few days have passed. Don't reply more quickly and with more content than she does. Do lead the interaction by inviting her out but at the same time never seem too eager and never, ever seem desperate! As simple as this may sound it requires a great deal of self-discipline to do it and do it consistently.

Dating: do lead physically, force yourself to do this, start by walking in front of her. (I never walk behind a girl.) Lead sexually, touch her first and escalate until she stops you, force yourself to do this. Self-discipline is not just about stopping ourselves from acting it is also about forcing ourselves to act.

Relationship: never give more emotionally than you are getting from a woman. While you must lead physically and sexually you must follow emotionally. This takes a great degree of self-discipline. Sometimes you are so emotionally caught up in a moment that you want to just let it out - don't. (At least not in front of her - go into the bathroom.) If she's letting it out ok, you can follow her, but if she's not then you need the self-discipline to shut your emotions down.

Every time I mess up with a woman. It hasn't been because of a lack of knowledge. It was always because of a slip in self-discipline or control. And literally all it takes these days to mess up with a woman is one slip up in the beginning. Even after all these years my greatest weakness is not a lack of knowing what to do but having the self-discipline to do it.

PS Interestingly, this applies to attaining any goal or improving any area of your life.

Post: #2

Good points.

I find that very often when I am walking with a girl they always tend to walk faster than me. I have to touch them and tell them to slow down, teasing them about always walking in a hurry. Sometimes repeatedly so that I'm never walking behind her, until she gets used to my pace. Is it because these girls are nervous around you at first? Maybe I just walk slow too.

Post: #3

Doesn't matter, why they are doing something does not matter. Always focus on her actions never the reason. One way to force them to slow down is simply to STOP. Just stop and look at something. Stay where you are until they walk back to you. (Obviously, if she is late to catch a bus or something it doesn't matter...)

Post: #4

True.

I think everything in life is self-discipline, any skill, any endeavour and action that reaps positive results. Succes is self-discispline, at least that's how I see it.

Post: #5

Agree. It takes self discipline to approach, to remember to text a girl and NOT text a girl. To dress well and shower before you go out. To get a new hair cut every 6 weeks.

It takes a lot of self discipline to be a man in the interaction: to touch her with or without IOI, to tease her when everything about her screams "good girl", to push for an instant date and if not a number.

Its self-discipline that differentiate men and women. Women and betas run on their emotion and social conditioning. Real men run on their discipline and force of will.

Again I highly preach taking Martial arts together with lifting. It adds a disciplinary, confrontational and meditational aspect to complement working out.

Post: #6

Sometimes it's better to not shower before you go out.

Post: #7

(07-28-2014 07:01 AM)soup Wrote:  Sometimes it's better to not shower before you go out.

Can you elaborate? Smelling good is a big plus

Post: #8

I don't know the logic behind it but there have been times I've gone out or met up with a chick without having showered and have gotten laid.

Also I can't stand colognes or perfumes. They smell terrible and are way too try hard for both genders. I get turned off if a girls perfume is too strong.

Post: #9

(07-28-2014 07:36 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 07:01 AM)soup Wrote:  Sometimes it's better to not shower before you go out.

Can you elaborate? Smelling good is a big plus

going out with the smell of sex on you is a huge advantage. chicks can sense it and get turned on.

Post: #10

Can you give you a more animalistic appeal aka construction worker appeal.

Post: #11

my friend rolls out in dirty jeans and doesnt shower after wrenching on cars. he still pulls very consistently, better than me, and I am always clean and put together as well as I can be.

Post: #12

Hmm might be due to individual style. Some people pulls better with a rawness element. Some with a clean look type like Ryan gosling. Though I still see more players wearing suits and colognes than one in torn up jeans and drenched with sweat.

Post: #13

Achieving proficiency at anything at all is about self discipline.

Game is no different to any other skill; although I believe congruency is as important when push comes to shove.

Post: #14

(07-28-2014 09:55 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 07:36 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 07:01 AM)soup Wrote:  Sometimes it's better to not shower before you go out.

Can you elaborate? Smelling good is a big plus

going out with the smell of sex on you is a huge advantage. chicks can sense it and get turned on.

I wouldn't normally subscribe to the notion of not showering before you go out, but this is the exception.
I have never had as much attention, so much sheer animalistic looks from other women than when I've boned my woman and subsequently gone into the city with her, without showering.
There is definitely something to this.

Post: #15

The smell of sex and a woman on you is the most powerful afrodisiac.

Post: #16

Good stuff again Nomad.

Quote:PS Interestingly, this applies to attaining any goal or improving any area of your life.

^^^ Yep, this is why game is so powerful. For many of us, especially not born naturals (whatever that means, leaders, smooth talkers, whatever), this is why women are the metric..."how hot are the women he can attract, how strong is that attraction for him, and how many of those women find him attractive" (quote from heartiste)

Post: #17

Thanks, I have written about this before but I believe it is such a crucial point that I keep bringing it up. There are ways to artificially effect self-control. Having a woman already or multiple options on women will automatically make you less needy and desperate but it is best not to rely on such external factors. Self-discipline is something you want to truly have as a personal attribute not a facade you present because of temporary external factors such as a girlfriend.

Post: #18

Self-discipline is the very foundation of game. Can't be a player without it.

Post: #19

I think it's like being a farmer. nobody won't tell you to get up in the morning and go to the field.

If you neglect the game for a while, you will eventually pay the price in the end.

I feel like I have to treat it like a work meaning I still force myself to go out even though I don't feel like it.

Last saturday, I didn't feel like going out. Plus when I thought about walking into random crowds on my own,getting stares and dealing with girl's attitude, it sounded a lot better to stay at home.

but I still went out to keep the Momentum. (just like dancers lose their vibe if they don't practice for few weeks, my tongue gets awkward if I stop interacting with women for couple weeks)
I ended up having a good time. Even if it didn't go well, I would've looked at it as a practice.

Post: #20

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Post: #21

No I think if I would use one word for game it would be motivation (not intention by the way). The second word would be risk taking. With risk taking you might archive more than ten years of game now. I think self discipline comes rather late because it is often counter productive as one is to rational so one loses the playfulness and creativity and rather goes the low risk way.

I think game is for the guys who enjoy the game. Self discipline is not necessary for that. Things will come naturally. Forcing things may fire back and meltdowns will not be far away.

Post: #22

(07-30-2014 02:01 PM)Bill Wrote:  No I think if I would use one word for game it would be motivation (not intention by the way). The second word would be risk taking. With risk taking you might archive more than ten years of game now. I think self discipline comes rather late because it is often counter productive as one is to rational so one loses the playfulness and creativity and rather goes the low risk way.

I think game is for the guys who enjoy the game. Self discipline is not necessary for that. Things will come naturally. Forcing things may fire back and meltdowns will not be far away.

If you ever tried to become good at anything you will quickly realize how important self-discipline is. Motivation is a given. If you are not motivated to achieve something then nothing else matters. Risk is an inherent part of game. Self-discipline is how you manage and mitigate that risk.

Post: #23

I can speak to this. Gotten laid a few times where I played bball just hours before her lips were on my balls.

Post: #24

(07-30-2014 02:09 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 02:01 PM)Bill Wrote:  No I think if I would use one word for game it would be motivation (not intention by the way). The second word would be risk taking. With risk taking you might archive more than ten years of game now. I think self discipline comes rather late because it is often counter productive as one is to rational so one loses the playfulness and creativity and rather goes the low risk way.

I think game is for the guys who enjoy the game. Self discipline is not necessary for that. Things will come naturally. Forcing things may fire back and meltdowns will not be far away.

If you ever tried to become good at anything you will quickly realize how important self-discipline is. Motivation is a given. If you are not motivated to achieve something then nothing else matters. Risk is an inherent part of game. Self-discipline is how you manage and mitigate that risk.

I don´t think motivation is given. Some don´t have the motivation and force themselfs. Risk taking is also not given. Some guys don´t have it. Some nerds who want to become pua struggle with that. Self discipline can help but when the other ingredients aren´t there it´s bad ROI. So it might be a bad deal.

As to motivation maybe it´s important if it´s intrinsic or extrinsic though they have no clear boarders.

Post: #25

If you have no motivation to go out there and get girls why would you even be here reading any of this? Why bother at all? Everything in life involves some element of risk. Every time you get into your car you are risking your life. Risk is inherent in all aspect of life.