Post: #1

Right up front, let me say that this post is mainly for guys who are in the game but are looking at the prospects of a LTR.

Most men stay in the game for a time but life happens and our personal goals change. Suppose you meet a girl that is different from all of the knuckleheads out there and she sparks an interest in you that you haven't felt for another woman before and you start to think of her in a different way. Maybe you think she is worthy of spending more time with than a weekend here and there. If you don't have a lot of experience with girls in your past, you have to think about the qualities that would make her compatible with you. Sometimes it is hard to know whether the qualities you think are important are really important for determining your compatibility in an objective sort of way. I'd like to propose some qualities that should be non-negotiable qualities for you as a man...anything less than these should be deemed deal-breakers, since they are a threat to a man's personal standards, in my opinion.

1. 1. A good woman cooks. She loves cooking good meals, baking, and generally enjoys the idea of pleasuring her man by taking care of his physical needs.
   
   2. A good woman wants to be led. She doesn't want to dominate a man, in fact she is a fish out of water if she has to make decisions for both of you.
   
   3. A good woman takes care of her home. She doesn't leave shit all over the place and cleans the bathroom, kitchen, and common areas regularly because she values cleanliness.
   
   4. A good woman has her finances in order. She may like to shop but she has money in the bank and knows how to find a good deal.
   
   5. A good woman holds a steady job and works hard. She won't work a menial job, hoping some guy with money will come along and rescue her. She realizes that until she finds a decent man, she has to have her own shit together.
   
   6. A good woman either doesn't have Facebook or she uses it sparingly. She doesn't post "selfies" every day or talk about useless shit so that all of her friends can "like" her mindless rants.
   
   7. A good woman chooses her friends carefully. She doesn't hang out with trashy women or women who gossip about stupid shit. She values quality over quantity.
   
   8. A good woman doesn't even know what Jezebel.com is. She doesn't like progressive bullshit or feminist ideals. She's a throwback to a different era where men were the leaders and women enjoyed those gender roles.
   
   9. A good woman values stimulating conversation and wisdom...especially in a man. She doesn't feel threatened by what a man knows, in fact she admires that kind of man even more.
   
   10. A good woman encourages a man. She tells him how handsome he is and how wise he is. She doesn't bottle up her feelings about his qualities like most women do for fear of losing standing in the relationship. They speak openly and honestly about your good qualities.
   
   11. A good woman isn't a party girl. She doesn't get shit-faced every weekend and look for the next good time; she's more concerned about doing things that bring value to her life.
   

In my experience, those qualities have become non-negotiable standards for me in looking for a woman. The moment that a woman displays any of the negative qualities listed above on a consistent basis, that's when I exit myself from the equation. Consider these qualities for yourself and develop a set of standards for yourself as a man so that you don't compromise your own values.

Post: #2

Add to that:

12. A good woman won't make you need to create a spreadsheet with the dates you've been refused sex.

Post: #3

This is a great little summary. Timeless.

Post: #4

(07-24-2014 09:10 PM)Onto Wrote:  Add to that:

12. A good woman won't make you need to create a spreadsheet with the dates you've been refused sex.

Lol, are you speaking from personal experience? If that's the kind of shit going on nowadays, I cannot even fathom that one.

Post: #5

In other words, a GOOD woman wants to see her man win

and by extension...

She wins

Post: #6

(07-24-2014 09:31 PM)jakester318 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 09:10 PM)Onto Wrote:  Add to that:

12. A good woman won't make you need to create a spreadsheet with the dates you've been refused sex.

Lol, are you speaking from personal experience? If that's the kind of shit going on nowadays, I cannot even fathom that one.

Recent article from news paper. Guys on this forum would just next her ass and find a younger, tighter, hotter girl.

Post: #7

Very good list jakestar. Good job articulating everything.

Post: #8

I stopped reading at number 4 ......

Post: #9

This is a good list! All traits if the girl I have been dating these days. For a girl in a decent economy, I'd say it's all true. (In poorer countries the job/money thing doesn't apply as much).

Post: #10

Water takes the shape of the container it fills. Western women be like western women be, because there's always a spineless(standard less) thirsty whimp willing to fuck and wife up these chicks, no matter how awful they are/behave.

Don't agree with all of OP's standards though, number 5. especially. For a LTR I'd prefer a chick, who doesn't work and lives with her parents and under her fathers watchful eye.

Post: #11

I like the list - even though I don't agree with all of the points.

The important part is the mindset - figure out the most important things to you in a future wife - and be ruthless about getting it. You'll certainly break a lot of hearts this way and probably leave behind a lot of alpha widows if you remain in the US.

Wald

Post: #12

What about a good man?

Post: #13

Great list I agree with most of it, I have a different take on 9 though. I don't look for women to engage me, or engage with them, in intellectual/stimulating conversation that's simply not how they work (read this for a scientific analysis: http://therationalmale.com/2014/03/03/wo...-men-do/).

Anyway If you don't mind here is my personal standards for women I want an LTR with:
1.She must be Feminine-sweet,nice,elegant,nurturing,family oriented etc.
2.Must have maternal instincts/motherly disposition
3.loves to keep her self fit and healthy
4.Loves cooking
5.Not a feminist/and is apolitical
6.Cannot be overeducated (no PhDs/Masters degree)
7.Is not a slut/whore (less than 5 previous "partners" to virgin)
8.Is 10+ years younger than me
9.Gives sex-on demand
10.Finds pleasure in pleasing me

Post: #14

Having high standards like those listed ITT as a man in the west is a potential one way ticket to celibacy. Some are demands are reasonable (re domesticity & appearance) but others are not (re socialization, careerism/feminism, past history, age difference). Either you accept this, emigrate to another country, or "emigrate" to a more conservative culture/religion within the west.

Post: #15

but others are not (re socialization, careerism/feminism, past history, age difference). Either you accept this, emigrate to another country, or "emigrate" to a more conservative culture/religion within the west.
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This IMHO is the biggest problem we have in the western world, guys who give in. If there weren't a single man willing to stick their dick inside a feminist/careerist, there would be very little careerists/feminists and if there were zero men willing to wife up bitches, who have fucked a lot of men before, there would be a lot less sluts out there.
So you don't have to accept anything and live in a voluntary celibacy. Your choices are, get a western woman and control her properly by being really alpha(not easy, but possible. Teemu selänne has done it), or emigrate/marry abroad and keep her under control with good game. As Ukrainian I can tell you that a lot of our "good" women change very quickly when they get to the west, unless they wear a good, tight leash.

Post: #16

(07-27-2014 11:35 AM)Anthony A. King Wrote:  Great list I agree with most of it, I have a different take on 9 though. I don't look for women to engage me, or engage with them, in intellectual/stimulating conversation that's simply not how they work (read this for a scientific analysis: http://therationalmale.com/2014/03/03/wo...-men-do/).

Anyway If you don't mind here is my personal standards for women I want an LTR with:
1.She must be Feminine-sweet,nice,elegant,nurturing,family oriented etc.
2.Must have maternal instincts/motherly disposition
3.loves to keep her self fit and healthy
4.Loves cooking
5.Not a feminist/and is apolitical
6.Cannot be overeducated (no PhDs/Masters degree)
7.Is not a slut/whore (less than 5 previous "partners" to virgin)
8.Is 10+ years younger than me
9.Gives sex-on demand
10.Finds pleasure in pleasing me

Definitely forgot to include #3 from your list.

Post: #17

(07-27-2014 12:19 PM)civpro Wrote:  Having high standards like those listed ITT as a man in the west is a potential one way ticket to celibacy. Some are demands are reasonable (re domesticity & appearance) but others are not (re socialization, careerism/feminism, past history, age difference). Either you accept this, emigrate to another country, or "emigrate" to a more conservative culture/religion within the west.

First of all I don't hold these standards to girls I just want to pump and dump for ONS, or have a casual fling with, or add to my harem. For those I simply put emphasis on physical appearance. The standards I listed are for long Term Relationships standards I would hold to girls that I would want to be my girlfriend(s). And as Jakester318 said in the post its important to have personal standards as a man especially since your giving up a lot (other girls)to be with her, and anyone who has been in a relationship knows over time she starts demanding more time and energy from you, thus it is worth it to make sure she's worth it.

Understandably, this is scarce in america but you may run across a few girls that meet your standards or you can go someplace else. Frankly, I believe it beta to just be content and accept whatever's the average around you. Fuck that your high value Alpha male and deserve only the best!

Post: #18

Let me know when you find one that matches your list. I want to see her

Post: #19

(07-24-2014 08:55 PM)jakester318 Wrote:  Right up front, let me say that this post is mainly for guys who are in the game but are looking at the prospects of a LTR.

Most men stay in the game for a time but life happens and our personal goals change. Suppose you meet a girl that is different from all of the knuckleheads out there and she sparks an interest in you that you haven't felt for another woman before and you start to think of her in a different way. Maybe you think she is worthy of spending more time with than a weekend here and there. If you don't have a lot of experience with girls in your past, you have to think about the qualities that would make her compatible with you. Sometimes it is hard to know whether the qualities you think are important are really important for determining your compatibility in an objective sort of way. I'd like to propose some qualities that should be non-negotiable qualities for you as a man...anything less than these should be deemed deal-breakers, since they are a threat to a man's personal standards, in my opinion.

1. 1. A good woman cooks. She loves cooking good meals, baking, and generally enjoys the idea of pleasuring her man by taking care of his physical needs.
   
   2. A good woman wants to be led. She doesn't want to dominate a man, in fact she is a fish out of water if she has to make decisions for both of you.
   
   3. A good woman takes care of her home. She doesn't leave shit all over the place and cleans the bathroom, kitchen, and common areas regularly because she values cleanliness.
   
   4. A good woman has her finances in order. She may like to shop but she has money in the bank and knows how to find a good deal.
   
   5. A good woman holds a steady job and works hard. She won't work a menial job, hoping some guy with money will come along and rescue her. She realizes that until she finds a decent man, she has to have her own shit together.
   
   6. A good woman either doesn't have Facebook or she uses it sparingly. She doesn't post "selfies" every day or talk about useless shit so that all of her friends can "like" her mindless rants.
   
   7. A good woman chooses her friends carefully. She doesn't hang out with trashy women or women who gossip about stupid shit. She values quality over quantity.
   
   8. A good woman doesn't even know what Jezebel.com is. She doesn't like progressive bullshit or feminist ideals. She's a throwback to a different era where men were the leaders and women enjoyed those gender roles.
   
   9. A good woman values stimulating conversation and wisdom...especially in a man. She doesn't feel threatened by what a man knows, in fact she admires that kind of man even more.
   
   10. A good woman encourages a man. She tells him how handsome he is and how wise he is. She doesn't bottle up her feelings about his qualities like most women do for fear of losing standing in the relationship. They speak openly and honestly about your good qualities.
   
   11. A good woman isn't a party girl. She doesn't get shit-faced every weekend and look for the next good time; she's more concerned about doing things that bring value to her life.
   

In my experience, those qualities have become non-negotiable standards for me in looking for a woman. The moment that a woman displays any of the negative qualities listed above on a consistent basis, that's when I exit myself from the equation. Consider these qualities for yourself and develop a set of standards for yourself as a man so that you don't compromise your own values.

With the except of point 2, which contradicts all the other points anyway, my sister-in-law meets these criteria perfectly.

She's a 4.5.

Post: #20

I don't know what the purpose of this list is. This guy is really into her and he should go through the list give her final approval?

Look at this way, a girl writes such list on women's forum. how would you guess who she is?

she is settled down with a perfect man, is very happy in a relationship and just wanted to share her standards with other women???

Were you lucky enough to find women who fit into that standards occasionally or are you bit frustrated with very few women who fit in that category but you are not willing to change that?

Whatever standards you have, it's all yours. nobody is going to tell you what you should do. Even they do, you shouldn't care about it.

Post: #21

Great list. Holding you and those you associate with to a high level of standard is something that everyone should strive towards. You're wasting your time if you choose to associate with people who bring no value to your life.

Unfortunately, on this forum, I see far too many guys here bragging about the 5s and 6s that they bang from Tinder or some other form of online dating. Sexual experience and a good notch count is important but not at the cost of quality. What would you do if you knocked up a 5 by accident?