Post: #51

When, if ever, should you resist?

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^^^^ yeah I mean this kind of stuff happens all the time. I'm shocked about how the Trayvon Martin case got so much coverage. There are many cases where cops kill people all the time (fair or unfair).





Man shot in the back while being handcuffed.





Warning: Graphic footage: This guy had a knife, or didn't the video is not clear but regardless was shot 11 times.





Beating for standing in a corner. He didn't die but badly injured.

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NYC police are definitely a lot rougher than other parts of the country. Staten Island in particular is full of a lot of beefy macho Italian/Irish guys who
aren't very fond of blacks, to say the least.

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(07-21-2014 09:26 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  Staten Island in particular is full of a lot of beefy macho Italian/Irish guys who
aren't very fond of blacks, to say the least.

Those "Italian guys" should do some reading up on Vince Lombardi, a real Italian-American hero, they could learn a thing or two.

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No charges in his death. Whereas, in the Ferguson matter we had no video evidence, there was video evidence in this one. I think in the Ferguson matter I tried to be fair and objectively look at it. In this one, it is hard not think some crime, or at least excessive force was used. Yes, he was huge, but he wasn't swinging his arms or charging anyone. I don't think he needed to die.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-officer-in...d=27341079

Quote:A grand jury in Staten Island has decided not indict New York City Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo in relation to the death of Eric Garner, a man that Pantaleo was seen on video putting in an apparent choke hold in July, according to city officials and lawyers for Garner's family.

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Death by police
THIS is something to protest about

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When the video was initially released I found it pretty hard to watch.

I can't believe that they decided not to indict this man.

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Yea this is insane, the guy died for mouthing off to a cop basically.

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(07-19-2014 05:53 AM)SFTD Wrote:  Doesn't matter why he was arrested. NEVER EVER resist the police. Let them cuff you, let them book you and call your/get a lawyer. Cops are simply enforcers, they are not the power you have a beef with. Its the lawmakers and the magistrates and the judges you need to vent at. If you want to fight the power, punch your mayor. Law enforcement has no say in the matter other than being at risk of getting in trouble for NOT arresting you.

I'm sorry but I completely disagree, and think such a mentality reeks of submission to a police state.

This is the same country that decided they'd rather become a nation of criminals than bow to bullying either by police or government officials during prohibition, to the point that after a couple years the laws were changed.

I get that conservative minded people have been relying on protecting police since the events of 60's and 70's, and many are still traumatized and bitter by the impact that lack of respect for authority had on the young during that time, but at some point, they are going to have to start standing for the right of citizens (not just businesses), especially against the government, which police, ultimately represent. We all know the only rights progressives care about are victims' rights.

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The Ferguson case I think was justifiable. This case I think was not... he wasn't cooperating with the cops even if he was innocent but I still think they were a bit excessive. In both cases had the men complied with the cops they would still be alive...

I think all this shit and the way the media is covering it could lead to some scary shit for America...... I hope not but it has the potential

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It is true though. Youvshould never resist the police. What in the world do you think is going to happen if you try to fight off a cop? I know Garmer did not "fight" the cop but he tried to not be aprehended and took the cops hands off of him.

I have no sympathy for the cop who killed him and honestly wish he did time for manslaughter. But if this can be a lesson, never fuck with cops, they can kill you for basically nothing and not even get in trouble.

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Lotta folks want to blame Eric, they want to blame the cop, they want to blame the DA.

12 average NYer's saw that footage and didn't think that the prosecution had a case good enough to put in front of a judge and jury.

This happened in the most liberal and diverse city in America.

That's all I'm going to say.

WIA

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Yeah I just heard the news. This case was really something else to me. Something weird is going on here. What was the defense statement by this cop that was presented to the grand jury? I really want to know. Because Garner didn't look violent at all.

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Just refreshed my memory and watched the full video.

Unfortunately Eric got Death & Taxes.

I get it, being harassed by police, for doing something illegal, and wanted to left alone.

He was hardly resisting, had one of his hands out as if he was reaching for something.

The police subduing him (choke hole) and his body not taking it, is what caused his death.

He should've just put his hands behind his back and got curbed.

This would have all been avoided.

Notice how these cops are like sharks waiting for blood in the water, they didn't need that MANY officers to subdue him, they just all want in on the action, just like they did with Kelly Thomas.

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I dont understand why people try to be hard, act like dicks, or resist police action. You are not going to win. Just speak in a regular talking voice, end all your sentences in sir, and dont make any sudden movements.

Th cop went too far but people need to realize that giving any type of resistance to a police officer is just going to make your day worse. The way a lot of these people behave who have been brutalized/killed by cops, I just think to myself, "who the fuck acts like that to a police officer in the first place?"

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(12-03-2014 05:27 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Lotta folks want to blame Eric, they want to blame the cop, they want to blame the DA.

12 average NYer's saw that footage and didn't think that the prosecution had a case good enough to put in front of a judge and jury.

This happened in the most liberal and diverse city in America.

That's all I'm going to say.

WIA

Well for that matter 12 people didn't think OJ did it in one of the most liberal and diverse cities in America.

(12-03-2014 05:06 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  The Ferguson case I think was justifiable. This case I think was not... he wasn't cooperating with the cops even if he was innocent but I still think they were a bit excessive. In both cases had the men complied with the cops they would still be alive...

I think all this shit and the way the media is covering it could lead to some scary shit for America...... I hope not but it has the potential

Agreed. The wrath we've seen spill into the streets of Ferguson should instead be directed here where there was clear a case of a man being killed(even if it was unintentional) who was unarmed and NOT being violent. The Michael Brown incident did not deserve the attention it received.

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Idk man, I don't feel too good about this one.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is not a matter of race. It is being made out to be. The cops are not white or black, they are just hands of the government - tools of government overreach.

The Government is paid to spy on enemies. They are spying on YOU. You are the enemy. They have already declared war, you are just too stupid to see it.

Obama, Bush, etc play these nice guy or dumb guy cards so you do not hate them. Look at their actions. they deserve the most intense scorn the little shits.

If we get out of the modern "ass bubble" of music, you get songs that actually meant something.

"When they kick down your door, how're you gonna come? With your hands on your head, or on the trigger of your gun?"

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(12-03-2014 04:09 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  No charges in his death. Whereas, in the Ferguson matter we had no video evidence, there was video evidence in this one. I think in the Ferguson matter I tried to be fair and objectively look at it. In this one, it is hard not think some crime, or at least excessive force was used. Yes, he was huge, but he wasn't swinging his arms or charging anyone. I don't think he needed to die.

Yeah that's the way I kinda see it too. The video is pretty damning, this guy basically was turtling and he ends up dead? Way I see it this is a poster-child incident for real police brutality and overreach. That guy could be almost anyone these days, whether they are selling loosies on the street or getting their beer taken away by cops in the park after the HS football game.

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(12-03-2014 05:42 PM)MidWest Wrote:  Yeah I just heard the news. This case was really something else to me. Something weird is going on here. What was the defense statement by this cop that was presented to the grand jury? I really want to know. Because Garner didn't look violent at all.

I haven't looked at the testimony, but from the video I have to believe the guy got off due to lack of intent. No one could reasonably expect choke-holding a guy for a few seconds would seriously harm him. Notice that the cop had already let go when the victim was saying "I can't breathe!" Clearly the victim had underlying health issues.

I get that selling cigarettes illegally doesn't seem to merit this level of force, but what is a cop to do? They're obligated to enforce laws whether they agree with them or not. And if a guy is resisting arrest, it's not really an option to just walk away and go "meh, not worth it." So they have to use some kind of forceful takedown in these situations. Not that a choke hold was the way to go (easy to see in hindsight), but still, I don't see any malicious intent here.

This situation is a tragedy (mostly due to the victim's poor health), but reasonably, no one deserves to do time for it. This should just go down as a lesson to avoid choke holds in the future.

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(12-03-2014 06:32 PM)DrewP Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 05:42 PM)MidWest Wrote:  Yeah I just heard the news. This case was really something else to me. Something weird is going on here. What was the defense statement by this cop that was presented to the grand jury? I really want to know. Because Garner didn't look violent at all.

I haven't looked at the testimony, but from the video I have to believe the guy got off due to lack of intent.

But if you get in a fist fight and knock the other person out and their head hits the ground and they die, you will still be charged with manslaughter even though there was a lack of intent to kill. And that's another good reason to avoid getting in street confrontations if possible. Even if you win the fight, you could unintentionally kill someone and end up in prison.

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(12-03-2014 06:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 06:32 PM)DrewP Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 05:42 PM)MidWest Wrote:  Yeah I just heard the news. This case was really something else to me. Something weird is going on here. What was the defense statement by this cop that was presented to the grand jury? I really want to know. Because Garner didn't look violent at all.

I haven't looked at the testimony, but from the video I have to believe the guy got off due to lack of intent.

But if you get in a fist fight and knock the other person out and their head hits the ground and they die, you will still be charged with manslaughter even though there was a lack of intent to kill. And that's another good reason to avoid getting in street confrontations if possible. Even if you win the fight, you could unintentionally kill someone and end up in prison.

A different situation, as this cop was obligated to do something to subdue Garner. Even if it's for the idiotically trivial "crime" of selling cigarettes, a cop can't just let a perpetrator talk him out of being arrested. Getting into a fistfight is a choice.

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(12-03-2014 06:32 PM)DrewP Wrote:  This should just go down as a lesson to avoid choke holds in the future.

CBS news says NYPD didn't allow choke holds anymore. If thats true than I wonder how the grand jury came to their conclusion.