Post: #26

HAHA yes, I just remembered when you kept calling that chick a crackhead, druggie, pill-popper..,and the best part was she didn't talk back to you at all and it ended up coming off smooth and playful.

Keeping girls in that emotional trance is such a key, sometimes I am having a fun playful interaction with a woman and then I start talking about my job or something else that gets her to think logical again and I notice the dropoff in our interaction.

Post: #27

no questions
actually no punctuations at all
the shortest possible
push for meeting

Post: #28

I've had luck with this:

Text the girl with an ice-breaker, something funny, cocky and brief. She responds, "haha, blabla." Answer with, "can you take a call" (no question mark), she responds with when, and you call her. You let a few minutes elapse between each, so as not to seem needy.

Total number of texts: 2

The problem with calling her right off the bat is that chicks need to be warmed up. She's not sure if she likes you, she doesn't want an awkward phone conversation, etc. When you hit her with that first text, and she digs it, all that anxiety fades away. The goal of long distance communication is to arrange a meet - that is your end goal, and nothing more.

The method above is for girls you aren't close with. If you've already been on a date or two, you can usually just call or text to arrange a meet.
[Didn't read prior comments]

Post: #29

(02-27-2011 09:51 AM)MiXX Wrote:  Yet sometimes, I open a girl with an extremely simple: "hey, I am craving intelligent conversation....got any?"

I like that one. I think I'll try that as an opener soon. Though I think I'd probably swap the word "intelligent" with "interesting" or "fun" if it was a bar situation.

Post: #30

(02-27-2011 05:18 PM)basilransom Wrote:  The problem with calling her right off the bat is that chicks need to be warmed up. She's not sure if she likes you, she doesn't want an awkward phone conversation, etc.

I can TOTALLY see what you mean, but IMO, women have been spoiled.....and guess by whom: US MEN!

You are too worried about having an awkward conversation, but I doubt that you are any less fun for calling her than texting her. It's kind of like waiting to get permission to call her I think.

Remember, there was a time not long ago, when women did not have this luxury of getting texted. If she gave out her number, it's because she wants you to call her. I still go by this assumption, if not, then I call her out on her shit and say a word all women hate: NEXT.

I will always stick to not being apologetic for being an alpha man. If I want to text, I'll do so because I feel like texting, not to get her "permission" to call because she may not like me. I could care less if she does, she should of thought of that when she keyed her number on my iphone.

Hey, I am not here to change everyones mind.....you will all do what you feel will work to get her panties on your bedroom floor. However, from my very own field experiments - texting has never produced great results vs the sound of my sexy, deep voice seducing her.



Mixx

Post: #31

Great experiment Mixx, loved it. I'm seriously considering in reducing the use of text messaging with girls almost completely. I've always preferred phone game anyways!

Post: #32

This is an outstanding thread - however it seems to be more about "Phone game" right now?

Can Roosh make it a sticky? There is some golden advice here.

I am a big fan of Roissy/The Chateau/Citizen Renegade.

In ALL interactions with women, whether on the phone, in person, text, chat or any other media, they must be talking twice as much as you. Two words for each of yours, at LEAST.

This sets the all-powerful hamster into a rapid sprint towards quivering orgasms.

I have had success with both phone and text game - it depends on so many things in and outside of your control:

1. Girls horniness at the time
2. Extent of your wit
3. How good was the initial attraction (skill of your game)
4. Is she a slut
5. Are you an alpha (do you create mystery and suspense for her)

We're trying to extrapolate from variables not-yet defined a model for when a girl will respond and go for a date. Good luck getting answers from that approach.

If she's fucking into you, it doesn't matter what you say, phone or text. If she's very much on the fence as most girls are, expect less than 25% success rate and not get attached to the outcome of any particular rejection.

Either way... there might be a perfect method, but maybe you should try to gauge from the initial interaction if she's a girl who responds best to texts, or phone? Devise some kind of test or just ask her straight out.

Post: #33

(03-01-2011 11:33 AM)Invictus Wrote:  there might be a perfect method, but maybe you should try to gauge from the initial interaction if she's a girl who responds best to texts, or phone? Devise some kind of test or just ask her straight out.

Problem is that if you ask 10 girls this question, it is very likely all 10 in todays digital age will say they prefer text. And like I've already said, playing by a girls rules, instead of your own, leads nowhere fast.

A better question would be..."WHAT WORKS FOR ME?" Do I enjoy texting? Is this where I feel extremely comfortable because I fear I may mumble words or run out of things to say on the phone? If that's the case, then you need to work on your inner game, not your text game.

I can see how texting is good for someone who is beginning to feel comfortable with women, but I don't see this giving you a high success rate for bangs. You may build your wit as mentioned, hell, you may even learn how to tease women, but ultimately, it's the initial connection you should focus on.

Phone or Text is useless if she is just not feeling you from the start. And getting her number in 10-30 minutes, and relying on text game to build attraction and comfort for a bang later on is setting yourself up for disappointment.



Mixx

Post: #34

The thing is text messaging is now used for EVERYTHING. I put up an ad on craigslist selling some furniture and artwork. I put my number on the add. Nobody actually calls my number to inquire. They all send text messages. Even when trying to arrange a time to come by and get my address, they only send texts. My friends rarely call me anymore. They send texts saying "what's going on this weekend?" If there's something serious to talk about, then they'll call. But it seems as though phone conversations are slowly going the way of the betamax tape. It's getting to the point that my parents are the only people I talk to on a regular basis by phone, then and one of my long time good friends who is hostile to texting.

Hey Mixx, can't remember if you answered this or not, but when you call a girl and she doesn't pick up, do you leave a voicemail?

Post: #35

(03-01-2011 04:44 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Hey Mixx, can't remember if you answered this or not, but when you call a girl and she doesn't pick up, do you leave a voicemail?

Yes, I do leave a short VM. A very short and sweet one with a cliffhanger, and NEVER say your name, however you should mention her name so she knows its not a wrong number.

Something like this: "Hey Lisa, tough luck I didn't catch you, I was just about to.......well, call me asap, you know who it is"

Women cannot resist not knowing why you called her after a message like that, and the fact that you did not even say "this is Mixx" sends a subliminal message to let her know you are higher value.

Mixx

Post: #36

Interesting. I never leave voicemails because the girl is going to see my missed call so why leave a message? That's how I look at it

Post: #37

(03-01-2011 11:41 PM)houston Wrote:  Interesting. I never leave voicemails because the girl is going to see my missed call so why leave a message? That's how I look at it

You're being too passive. Pussy hunting is about being aggressive and getting her to play your game fast. Like I said, a missed called is something she can see and easily ignore, it has no real value to her, like the other 4 missed calls she had during the day. A VM, with a cliffhanger as to make it seems she missed out on a big event is more likely to catch her attention and give her a reason to call you back.

Granted we are talking about girls we have NOT banged yet.

Mixx

Post: #38

Mixx is really laying it down on here. I agree with what he says 100%.

"Something like this: "Hey Lisa, tough luck I didn't catch you, I was just about to.......well, call me asap, you know who it is""

I basically use this with a little "G Manifesto twist".

It works like a charm. I called 4 fly girls I met recently with it yesterday and 3 called back with in a half hour.

I bet you the other calls back today.

100% return rate. Can't beat that with a Louisville Slugger.

Post: #39

I like the cliff hanger technique, but if you do use this, well you better actually have a good cliff hanger when she does call back.

Post: #40

speakeasy,

"I like the cliff hanger technique, but if you do use this, well you better actually have a good cliff hanger when she does call back."

The fact that she is talking to you is all the cliffhanger you need.

Remember: Confidence, Character, Personality and Swagger.

Post: #41

(03-02-2011 04:28 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I like the cliff hanger technique, but if you do use this, well you better actually have a good cliff hanger when she does call back.

I was very fond of the "cliffhanger technique" circa 2005. I used it on bitches constantly, since it reduced my flake-rate and improved my return-call rate significantly. I even started using it on some of flakier homies (male) and it even worked--though to a lesser extent--on those assholes. I've since scaled it back, evolving into a text-and-call hybrid to correct for changing markets.

There's a reason soap operas and stupid girl-programs have been using essentially the same cliffhanger technique for, literally, decades. Bitches are nosy, curious animals that can't resist lame gimmicks and tricks--even if they know better. It's hardwired in there.

You could probably still catch a chick just by putting the right thing under a box-and-stick trap (like an entree-sized salad or a pair of flip-flops, in the case of American white girls):

   

Post: #42

You can also used the box-and-stick trap, and put a pair of Jimmy Choos as bait....careful however, that may catch more gold-digging hos' than you can handle.

Mixx

Post: #43

Ill try the VM cliffhanger next time I get a girls number.

Post: #44

I just did a write up on the benefits of Phone Game in this day and age:

Phone Game is Dead or is it?: http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2011/03/pho...is-it.html

Post: #45

This thread is better than most books I have read. This really refreshed my outlook on text game. Thank you all. Time to finally start bagging college chicks!
I'm going to try VM cliffhanger, the 2 text call method, and consider everything else everyone said. Fuck yeah! )

Post: #46

Speaking of text game, I just had an interesting text-game related thing happen to me purely by accident that's worth sharing on this thread:

Trying to dial up my bro while driving (which I shouldn't be doing), I accidentally hit the number right above him in the directory: an old flake that I never closed the deal with--despite starting off strong at a local nightspot.

Quick Profile:
-Late 20s
-Super-tight fitness-instructor body
-Mixed race (white, Latin), looks like Sarah Silverman
-Killer ass (of course), medium tits
-Probably an overall 7.5.

I didn't realize I had dialed the wrong number until I got the voicemail, which totally shocked me because I expected my bro's voice and got a mellifluous female sound instead. Thrown for a second--and trying to take a left turn at the same time--I hung up instead of leaving the wry, cool-headed VM, which would have been my normal modus operandi.

Instead, pissed off at myself for accidentally calling that flakey (though cute) biotch, I quickly sent off a text message that read like this:

disregard. wrong number.

I didn't want her getting the wrong message from my folly.

Well, while this chick had fallen off months ago, and gone completely ice-cold as a lead, she quickly responded with:

So so sad. I thought you loved me!!

Typical text-message, attention-seeking chick behavior, I figured. I ignored it for hours before sending a textbook agree-and-amplify:

yeah right: i can burrly stop thinking about you esa [misspellings and cultural references intentional]

To which she replied:

My vagina might just explode again!

This would likely end the same way it did before: with her flaking somehow (it's in her nature); especially because I'm not going to chase her. But the lesson here is: another, unexpected and counter-intuitive technique for resurrecting a dead lead.

Even though I mostly dislike texting as game, I think it can work well in hybrid situations (and I mentioned in my prior post).

Post: #47

I've had as much luck with digital age dating as the Indians had with smallpox. Mixx has given me the reason to drop it all and stick with as little social networking as possible. Time to stop playing their game.

Post: #48

(02-28-2011 09:55 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-27-2011 05:18 PM)basilransom Wrote:  The problem with calling her right off the bat is that chicks need to be warmed up. She's not sure if she likes you, she doesn't want an awkward phone conversation, etc.

I can TOTALLY see what you mean, but IMO, women have been spoiled.....and guess by whom: US MEN!

You are too worried about having an awkward conversation, but I doubt that you are any less fun for calling her than texting her. It's kind of like waiting to get permission to call her I think.

Remember, there was a time not long ago, when women did not have this luxury of getting texted. If she gave out her number, it's because she wants you to call her. I still go by this assumption, if not, then I call her out on her shit and say a word all women hate: NEXT.

I will always stick to not being apologetic for being an alpha man. If I want to text, I'll do so because I feel like texting, not to get her "permission" to call because she may not like me. I could care less if she does, she should of thought of that when she keyed her number on my iphone.

Hey, I am not here to change everyones mind.....you will all do what you feel will work to get her panties on your bedroom floor. However, from my very own field experiments - texting has never produced great results vs the sound of my sexy, deep voice seducing her.



Mixx

MiXX, I agree with you on the efficacy of phone vs. text and understand what you're saying, but how do you deal with lizards <25 who simply won't pick up the phone? Keep in mind these lizards grew up with their noses buried behind a screen with Facebook, AIM, BBM etc. Seems like you're keeping to an old school paradigm in modern times. You're throwing away potential lays by being so dogmatic about this.

basil's "text to call" strategy is clever and I've used it on college lizards with success.

Post: #49

(10-12-2011 08:58 PM)Mace Wrote:  MiXX, I agree with you on the efficacy of phone vs. text and understand what you're saying, but how do you deal with lizards <25 who simply won't pick up the phone? Keep in mind these lizards grew up with their noses buried behind a screen with Facebook, AIM, BBM etc. Seems like you're keeping to an old school paradigm in modern times. You're throwing away potential lays by being so dogmatic about this.

You just happen to be dealing with girls < 25 who don't really want to talk to you.

Post: #50

Don't send texts that say "how are you". Every initial text i send a girl has some kind of call-back humor or something incomplete or ambiguous that she can't just ignore