Post: #26

(07-02-2014 09:11 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  Mexico is a great place but if you are looking for women, I'd be hitting up the local tiangus.

What's a tiangu?

Post: #27

I met a 22yo girl during my last trip to Indonesia who is definitely marriage material. I am not looking for a wife now, but if were, I would be looking for a girl like her.

Here are a few things about her:

-She comes from a good family. Middle class, parents who are still together, have good values and traditions (like many Indonesians, they are moderate Muslims). They insist that she comes home before midnight and won't even let her travel with guys.

-She doesn't smoke or drink at all.

-She likes to cook, looks after her pets at home, has good relationships with her family and friends.

-She has a college degree, likes to read, is quite smart, but her education and future career don't define her as a person.

-I've meet with her a few times and also spent countless hours chatting with her online before and after we met. Not only she's never uttered a single swear word, but I don't recall anything really negative that she ever said to me. It's not like she has nothing to complain about, either. Her life is more difficult compared to most girls in the West, yet she is always nice, warm and positive in her demeanor.

-She has always treated me with respect. Even when I flaked on her by cancelling one of our dates when she already took the train from her suburb to visit me, because another girl came over, she let me know that she didn't like it, but still didn't show any disrespect or anger.

- Even her little "shit tests", if I can call them that, came from a good place in her heart, and I enjoyed responding to them. Like, "Do you bring all girls here (to my bed)" - "No, only beautiful ones".

-Never, ever, she showed me any sign of being hungry for money or status symbols that money can buy. When I suggested that perhaps she should find a local husband from a well off family, she said that being from a good family with good values is more important than having a lot of money.

-She is a virgin and wants to keep it that way until marriage. She's dated a few guys, including a couple of foreigners, but never gave it up. It's not like she takes it in other holes, either, like some Muslim girls do. I fooled around a bit with her and taught her a few things, but her virginity is still in tact.

After a few dates, I could have popped her cherry, but decided not to do it and keep her as a friend even though she was upset about that. For various reasons, marrying her is not something I would consider, and I just didn't to pump and dump her, though I realize that other guys will probably do it in the future. Maybe they'll either trick her into having sex by giving her hope to get married, or she'll lack the discipline to keep her virginity.

After meeting that, my standards for a potential wife have become a lot higer. Basically, 99.9% of girls in the Western world are not marriage material according to these standards.

Post: #28

1. She is attractive but not stunning. Her looks should be 2 points below your SMV.
2. She is always available for sex. (this is different from being good at sex)
3. She can cook well and enjoys doing so without any prompting.
4. She gives more than she takes.
5. She produces zero drama. When things go wrong, does she blame you or is she philosophical about things? Watch how bad she gets at her very worst. This is the litmus test.
6. She exists to please you, not the other way around.
7. She has traditional values about men and women.
8. She smiles.
9. She wants family one day but doesn't overtly push you for marriage.
10. She isn't dumb but she isn't overly educated either.
11. She aspires to be a housewife.
12. Her income potential is lower than yours.
13. She was a virgin when you met. Failing this, she has slept with less than 3 guys in her life.
14. She avoids using her period as an excuse to act like a bitch. On the contrary, she is happy to give you blowjobs when she is on the rag.
15. She values long-term friendships over being popular.

Post: #29

For me to exit the mating market for this hypothetical girl now:

Virgin, or was one before me. (Girls lie about this shit but I've been with enough of them now where I'd feel confident from how she is in bed to know).
Wants to be impregnated by me, and although not experienced with having children, hopes to give birth to many of mine.
Will do anything sexual I request. And not complain or show lack of enthusiasm.
Is from a wealthy family that she has good relations with ($10 mil+).
Wants to be a housewife until becoming homemaker and mother to the children.
Has no issues with me not being monogamous (this is tough to determine, but some girls just are. They get that men are not / should not be satisfied with fucking the same pussy exclusively hundreds of times). And understands and believes me when I tell her that my feelings for her don't necessarily decline because I develop some for another girl.
Face and body is 8/10 minimum.
Enjoys exercise and has extensive history to back it up.
Her body is naturally ectomorph.
Calm demeanor, low maintenance, values experiences over material possessions.
By far values my opinions over those of all her "friends" or family, combined.

Post: #30

(07-02-2014 11:25 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  I met a 22yo girl during my last trip to Indonesia who is definitely marriage material. I am not looking for a wife now, but if were, I would be looking for a girl like her.

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After meeting that, my standards for a potential wife have become a lot higer. Basically, 99.9% of girls in the Western world are not marriage material according to these standards.

A lot of your post reminds me of parts of various girls I've been with, not surprisingly most of them were not westernized girls.

Indonesia is high on my list of next destination and your post makes me more excited to go there. Reading your post and really paying attention to subtle details makes it seem more and more unbelievable.

Post: #31

(06-27-2014 09:39 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  http://www.returnofkings.com/15170/8-sig...s-a-keeper

Agree with this list, except for item #6—"She’s Had Less Than 10 Cocks".

I would say, "She's had three or less cocks—including yours."

Frankly, virgins are the way to go. My wife was a virgin when we met, and it shows in our relationship. A woman whom you have deflowered will always be hooked on you.

Just my 2¢.

Post: #32

The bar here is really high. What are you bringing to the table?

Post: #33

(07-05-2014 08:56 AM)conservative Wrote:  The bar here is really high. What are you bringing to the table?

The most valuable thing I have: my freedom.

Post: #34

A good clue would be if she is the opposite of the chick here.

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Post: #35

To answer the question posed in the thread title:

You don't and never will. Marriage is decided at a time and place that is unaffected by factors that are difficult to anticipate for a given person based on time, place and even culture.

For example, people change; You will at least be a bit surprised at the shit that you find out about her a year after you get married. It may have been a habit she picked up during that first year and since you didn't know her well enough, you could not have anticipated it.

The best thing would be to set aside any expectations. This is hard for most guys because expectations are a default for marriage. And for most guys, their expectations are set by women and women don't know what they want.

Post: #36

(07-05-2014 03:37 PM)Cobra Wrote:  The best thing would be to set aside any expectations. This is hard for most guys because expectations are a default for marriage. And for most guys, their expectations are set by women and women don't know what they want.

^^ Spot on.

Marriage serves only women, and how well she can market herself to be seen as a long-term prospect. Men are the buyers in this scenario, but in reality receive little in-return. Once you get into the marriage game, you follow her path and her expectations. You are a pedestrian in your own life.

This wasn't the case 50 years ago, but now marriage is surely an outdated system that doesn't comply with the modern man.

Men need to set their own expectations, and live these out with conviction. It's those that haven't defined exactly what they want, that become passive, and end up with a mortgage and 3 kids to a wife that hates him. He has no one to blame but himself for letting her steer the ship.

In this sense, the question should be, how can I continue to maintain quality relationships without getting married?

Post: #37

What if she tells you she is a virgin and doesn't believe in sex before marriage and you take her word and get married only to realize she never was?

Post: #38

^^^ in the spirit of game, always go for the bang and make no assumptions.

If that doesn't work call Marty Mcfly and hitch a ride to the future.

Post: #39

Quote:What's a tiangu?

a Tiangus is the local farmer's markets that spring up along the sides of alleys and stuff. The food is fresh, cheap and there are plenty of little hardworking senioritas who are probably single.

Quote:Marriage serves only women, and how well she can market herself to be seen as a long-term prospect. Men are the buyers in this scenario, but in reality receive little in-return. Once you get into the marriage game, you follow her path and her expectations. You are a pedestrian in your own life.

Disagree, you can marry for a change in citizenship (potential job opportunities). You don't have to follow anyone, I don't know why you guys let women control you. You don't have to do sh1t you don't want to, my woman while being a very nice lady lives under the threat that I will basically walk anytime she thinks of becoming THAT girl. I've already done my bucket list, so walking out and flying over to a beach side property is just a hop skip and a jump away. I have alot of friends who act like the wife is in control simply because they have a ring on their finger.... the truth is they willingly surrender control to their wives. The only time my wife is in control is when I'm sick or injured (like right now) and need her assistance.

Right now I am GREATFUL to have someone around who cares about me enough to take me to hospitals and stay by my side. Is there anyone on this forum that will come out, spend their own money to fly to China, quit their job and take care of me because they want to see me get better? I don't think so. There is nothing more comforting than to have loved ones at your bed side while you are suffering, trust me on this one. If I was by myself, I would be a bag of nerves, probably in full panic mode right now from my concussion. I'm in a completely foregin CUNTry where the only person who REALLY cares about my well being is my wife... a girlfriend can't really do that for you, she's not family... when the going gets rough the only people that are going to stay by your side are the people that have a voluntary obligation to you and a stake in your future on this planet. My wife is my life line and my best friend, I know I can trust her with my life and when I can't make decisions for myself. You need to seek out THIS KIND OF WOMAN... not a 'casual date or friend with benefits type'. If you want to meet these types of people, you have to be willing to give up the 'dating game' and pledge your committment to a marriage, loyalty is reciprocal. I'd wager very few of you if any have run the gamut of life or death in the 3rd world yet... I've done it now 4 or 5 times and each time, I can safely say, I'd be DEAD without my wife.

I would say my R.O.I has been over 100% and still going.

Post: #40

If she has way more money than I do.

Post: #41

(07-08-2014 02:05 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  Disagree, you can marry for a change in citizenship (potential job opportunities). You don't have to follow anyone, I don't know why you guys let women control you. You don't have to do sh1t you don't want to, my woman while being a very nice lady lives under the threat that I will basically walk anytime she thinks of becoming THAT girl. I've already done my bucket list, so walking out and flying over to a beach side property is just a hop skip and a jump away. I have alot of friends who act like the wife is in control simply because they have a ring on their finger.... the truth is they willingly surrender control to their wives. The only time my wife is in control is when I'm sick or injured (like right now) and need her assistance.

Right now I am GREATFUL to have someone around who cares about me enough to take me to hospitals and stay by my side. Is there anyone on this forum that will come out, spend their own money to fly to China, quit their job and take care of me because they want to see me get better? I don't think so. There is nothing more comforting than to have loved ones at your bed side while you are suffering, trust me on this one. If I was by myself, I would be a bag of nerves, probably in full panic mode right now from my concussion. I'm in a completely foregin CUNTry where the only person who REALLY cares about my well being is my wife... a girlfriend can't really do that for you, she's not family... when the going gets rough the only people that are going to stay by your side are the people that have a voluntary obligation to you and a stake in your future on this planet. My wife is my life line and my best friend, I know I can trust her with my life and when I can't make decisions for myself. You need to seek out THIS KIND OF WOMAN... not a 'casual date or friend with benefits type'. If you want to meet these types of people, you have to be willing to give up the 'dating game' and pledge your committment to a marriage, loyalty is reciprocal. I'd wager very few of you if any have run the gamut of life or death in the 3rd world yet... I've done it now 4 or 5 times and each time, I can safely say, I'd be DEAD without my wife.

I would say my R.O.I has been over 100% and still going.

Hey BadWolf,

I'm happy for you man, and sounds like you have a really good thing going on. However the vast majority of men won't pick up and move to a third world country, learn the local language/culture, assimilate and find a rural girl to settle down with.

Many of us still hold onto a romanticised view of marriage, but this is only going to work against those still living in Western countries.

Whenever I'm serious with a girl, and settling down enters my mind, I only have to remind myself of the statistics.

You mentioned that men who surrender control of their marriage to their wives, had it coming. However, with the state on HER side, any control you think you might have is an illusion.

Unless men are willing to go to the lengths you have been to, I still think marriage is obsolete.

Post: #42

Prophylaxis: Agree completely, marriage in America to an American has got to be one of the stupidest moves you can make.

Quote:I'm happy for you man, and sounds like you have a really good thing going on. However the vast majority of men won't pick up and move to a third world country, learn the local language/culture, assimilate and find a rural girl to settle down with.

Unfortunately, if you want to have a decent marriage you have to do it. You don't have to move to the 3rd world forever, just long enough to establish a bond...maybe 3 or 4 years. I'm going home ASAP with her in tow but you really have to live in the 3rd world with her and find out who she really is before making the jump home. These mail order guys who bring women into the country after sharing a few letters, those guys are walking into a trap.. same goes for these guys who come over for a 2 week vacation once a year, marry some girl, leave her here and comeback once in awhile for sex... I mean, what do you think she's going to be doing??? You really expect a human being to be sitting there like your little lap dog while you're off partying in the 1st world?

For a real marriage to work she has to see you sacrifice your time and life to be with her in her sh1t hole of a country. Asian women sort of follow your lead, if you do something, they'll do it too. I notice whenever I start getting fat or lazy, my wife does the same... and then I call her out on it and she says "Well look at you?!" Then when I get in shape, she shrinks down to half her size and starts doing excercise... its a 50/50 thing, you can't escape from yourself. If I cheat, I guarntee my wife will too... I can't guarntee she'll be loyal but I believe she will be if I am. My wife and I both believe fair is fair...

Now that said, I have this friend, he was out banging prostitutes while his wife sat at home...he rationalized (to me) that because he didn't 'love them' that it wasn't 'cheating'. A year and a half into the relationship he finds out she is fvking a courier from their business. When confronted she admitted it, accused him of cheating on her and told him she never used a condom and never will. Then she shaved her head, sold the entire business, stole all his money and ran off with the courier. He actually believes he was wronged first and that she had no right to cheat on him, I believe it was justice. He re-married recently and did the EXACT SAME THING... low and behold he is now his new wife's lapdog... she wants a white wedding, he's rationalized in his mind that he owes her as long as he gets his 'fun' on the side. It's a slow motion trainwreck... I would be curious as to how many guys think they can do this in a relationship and how many of those guys' marriages are contributing to your statistics.

The problem in marriage comes when men start into this faux red pill idea about, I should be able to do whatever I want without consequence and she should just accept it. That is the same as what feminists believe... Well when the shoe is on the other foot, men lose their shit. Neither party can do whatever they like without consequences and the sooner people start to understand that, the sooner we can get back to being more productive in our lives.

To me fair is fair, you get to do it, then so do I. You don't do that to me, I won't do that to you. As soon as the code is broken, the relationship is over, both my wife and I have discussed this a few times and its the foundation of our relationship. Asian women aren't stupid, they are just very very quiet but they watch your every move.

Women at home think they can do whatever the fvk they like and get away with it because the current trend in society says its 'ok', that's not fair. That's why I said, if you want to meet and marry, you've got to give up the single man's lifestyle, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Post: #43

The question is this - under what conditions would you get married?

Well she would have to be that good looking, and a banging body that I would never have to look at another woman again.

What qualities would a girl have to make her worth tying the knot with?

Great Looks and Body, Great Personality, Morals, Knows how to play her role as a woman, and she would have to be healthy, in shape and hits the gym regularly.

Post: #44

(07-10-2014 07:13 PM)coolmike Wrote:  Well she would have to be that good looking, and a banging body that I would never have to look at another woman again.

You see, guys are part of this problem. Nowadays, we choose wives like we choose fuck buddies. Your wife isn't supposed to be chosen for her looks or her banging body. If anything, those aspects will bring you trouble later on.

Of course, she should be attractive, but she is going to lose her looks very quickly after a couple of kids.

It's a cliche, but it truly is what you are left with that matters. Personality, family values, domestic ability, lack of drama - these are what matter. If your wife is average-looking but has all these qualities then you are ahead of 95% of married guys in the west.

Want to bang hot girls? Get a mistress.

Post: #45

(07-10-2014 07:43 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 07:13 PM)coolmike Wrote:  Well she would have to be that good looking, and a banging body that I would never have to look at another woman again.

You see, guys are part of this problem. Nowadays, we choose wives like we choose fuck buddies. Your wife isn't supposed to be chosen for her looks or her banging body. If anything, those aspects will bring you trouble later on.

Of course, she should be attractive, but she is going to lose her looks very quickly after a couple of kids.

It's a cliche, but it truly is what you are left with that matters. Personality, family values, domestic ability, lack of drama - these are what matter. If your wife is average-looking but has all these qualities then you are ahead of 95% of married guys in the west.

Want to bang hot girls? Get a mistress.

Those qualities probably do matter the most in the longterm, but I feel like a woman shouldn't let herself go. I don't expect a 40 year old mother of 2 to be super hot, but she should keep herself decently attractive.

Post: #46

(07-10-2014 10:06 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 07:43 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 07:13 PM)coolmike Wrote:  Well she would have to be that good looking, and a banging body that I would never have to look at another woman again.

You see, guys are part of this problem. Nowadays, we choose wives like we choose fuck buddies. Your wife isn't supposed to be chosen for her looks or her banging body. If anything, those aspects will bring you trouble later on.

Of course, she should be attractive, but she is going to lose her looks very quickly after a couple of kids.

It's a cliche, but it truly is what you are left with that matters. Personality, family values, domestic ability, lack of drama - these are what matter. If your wife is average-looking but has all these qualities then you are ahead of 95% of married guys in the west.

Want to bang hot girls? Get a mistress.

Those qualities probably do matter the most in the longterm, but I feel like a woman shouldn't let herself go. I don't expect a 40 year old mother of 2 to be super hot, but she should keep herself decently attractive.

You're right. However, women with these feminine qualities tend to look after themselves more so it's win-win really. Just look at the "traditional" women out there in their 30s and 40s. The Wall hits them less dramatically than the party girls.

Looks-wise, I think that the ideal wife should be "cute" or "attractive" as a guide, but not "stunning" or "hot". That is the guide that previous generations of men used when choosing their wives and it's a good one.

Post: #47

As they say, get a good look at her mother. She'll be there in 25 years.

Post: #48

Regarding banging bodies. You can marry a chick for one. But it'll fade, guaranteed at some point.

What do you have left over? Just sayin..

Post: #49

(07-11-2014 12:10 AM)Cobra Wrote:  Regarding banging bodies. You can marry a chick for one. But it'll fade, guaranteed at some point.

What do you have left over? Just sayin..

I think if you keep your SMV high, your wife will notice younger chicks eyeing you and chatting you up. Your wife will then feel compelled to keep herself in shape to compete against younger girls. She'll act nicer and more feminine too.

A woman's looks will fade after 30, but there's a difference between a slow decline from young hottie into attractive milf......... and a fast fall into Mischa Barton land.

Post: #50

But will you really care about pussy as much as you do 25 years from now? I doubt it. What WILL be vastly more important is as said before, if she's a good mother and more importantly good to you. A banging body will have you sleeping with one eye open as her body will still be attracting OTHER men well into your old age. There is a lot at stake in a marriage...