Post: #2376

(06-02-2016 09:47 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:21 AM)262 Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 06:06 PM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  I told him not to come back, he's a bright young guy with his life ahead of him, I said he should go to Poland instead, he can get laid there despite being beta.

Poland, being more Westernized than Ukraine, requires more Westernized Game, so being beta will be even worse for him here (and I've been here for a year). But at least his age won't be an issue.

Haha, I didn't know that RVF started doing keyword alerts, anytime someone mentions "Poland", you're there in a shot!

Wrong!. Yes Poland needs more westernised game, which means you can get laid being a beta pussy which is very hard to do in Ukraine where confidence is above all else

By this logic, being the supreme beta pussy should have you drowning in poosy in the West.



I don't think you know what "beta" means (it means being a provider).

Finally, someone has to correct the bad info about Poland on the forum. A number of guys commenting about it have barely passed through, never mind lived here.

Post: #2377

It's interesting when you say Ukraine is harder than Poland because usually the poorer the country the easier it is.

Post: #2378

(06-03-2016 03:11 AM)262 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:47 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:21 AM)262 Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 06:06 PM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  I told him not to come back, he's a bright young guy with his life ahead of him, I said he should go to Poland instead, he can get laid there despite being beta.

Poland, being more Westernized than Ukraine, requires more Westernized Game, so being beta will be even worse for him here (and I've been here for a year). But at least his age won't be an issue.

Haha, I didn't know that RVF started doing keyword alerts, anytime someone mentions "Poland", you're there in a shot!

Wrong!. Yes Poland needs more westernised game, which means you can get laid being a beta pussy which is very hard to do in Ukraine where confidence is above all else

By this logic, being the supreme beta pussy should have you drowning in poosy in the West.



I don't think you know what "beta" means (it means being a provider).

Finally, someone has to correct the bad info about Poland on the forum. A number of guys commenting about it have barely passed through, never mind lived here.

Well at least you admit it, carry on the good work, you are a credit to Poland
Beta = Opposite of Alpha, USA = Easy ONS, Poland = Easy ONS, Ukraine = Not so easy ONS

You need to be more on the Alpha side in Ukraine to be successful, the women don't appreciate emotional namby pamby boys that other European women can.

This give a whole new meaning the term "POLE Fishing"

You have some Polish blood I presume?





GIFSoup

Post: #2379

Interesting post from a different forum....


""What is going on here??

I have read all the treads on this Ukrainian forum and up till the end of March in the Kiev section, and its not the same like it was back in the day.

There use to be a lot of girls in Kiev. I have been able to get a lot of freebies there in the day. Not so pretentious and not so money hungry. Now the only option is dating websites like Mambo, really? Even in the small villages girls are not so forthcoming. I have been to Yaremcha and that was the case for me there. Makes me wonder of other places like Moldova, or other eastern block countries would be better.

Sevastopol use to be my favorite place to hang out, inspire of all the undercover harassment of the police there. Girls where like 5 or 7 dollars. Nice ones too, near to the central square and near to the sea. Look at my posts from way back in the 90's. Now everything has turned to shit. I am not paying 700 dollars in airfare to screw some blonde hottie with saggy tits and a bad attitude. Forget about Sevastopol, its been destroyed by the Russians. People tell me that prices have doubled for everything and sex? Maybe its increased over 1000 percent. Just does not make a lot of sense to me.""


REPLY


"What happened.

1. Instagram. Hot girls know their worth, easy to get noticed, get Turks, Arabs, Swiss, Germans, French throwing them money over the internet, inviting to luxury trips and they take it.

2. Russia. The invasion made sympathetic visas much easier to get.

3. Economic support. Money is flowing into Kiev from abroad, and of course being siphoned off the top the way that only Ukrainians know how to do so efficiently. That money gets spent in clubs, on girls, on all the luxuries. The hot girls are just not in need anymore the way they used to be.

I've just been out a few nights in Kiev, clubs are full, lots of people around. Strip clubs that used to have 9's and 10's now have 4's and 5's. I was wondering at the purpose of the 100 kilo girl dancing at Mandarin tonight and then I realized, maybe she is there to make the other girls look hotter? But, some guy asked that girl to his table. Some thirsty guy who is ready to spend money to get the time from a land whale that I cannot bear to look at without experiencing physical pain.

Dolls, which I used to sit by myself on a Friday night and posted here to tell people was so good, great service, great girls, great place... now is so busy on Wednesday that it became standing room only. People being shown seats at the stage or bar and instead leaving. On Wednesday. Rio packed to the gills after 3 am on Wednesday night. Ask a girl to sit and you get "I don't speak English." ask her immediately after to private dance and she'll say to you fluently, "I'll be back in 5 minutes, I have to change." Just, too much competition now from thirsty men who will take anything, combined with the outflow, and you have a situation which is spiraling down the drain. Lots of governments sending their people into Ukraine as advisors, people who have nothing else to do at night than go hunt girls and get drunk. Spoke to a US special forces guy this evening who should be able to leverage that into something but apparently not.

I came to Kiev first after the first wave had died, guys here posted about how it was so sad the River Palace was gone. They were crying about how the old days were long gone and it was so sad. Yet, my first night in a bar in Kiev beautiful girls talked to me for fun and left for home with a passionate kiss. At Buddha Bar it was filled with 9's and 10's one of whom is still burned into my memory as an ideal woman that I can never quite match. Blonde in tight white pants. Sigh. Today I haven't even seen a girl in that league, let alone one that is available.

But if you turn on instagram you will find them. Those girls from Kiev are in Monaco, in Cannes, in Paris, in Miami, in LOS Angeles. The ones that stayed are not out in the clubs because they're married or have a corrupt politician boyfriend or are somehow otherwise kept. They hit 18, they put some bikini shots on Instagram, and the offers pour in and off they go around the world in business class.

So these girls got on planes and they went. The world embraced them with open arms. What's left are what couldn't go and competition for them has increased. There are too many men looking for too few girls.

The first time I went to a strip club in Kiev I felt like I had dislocated by jaw it dropped so far and so often. Now, I want to stick pencils in my eyes more often than not, and like everyone else, when a half decent one comes along suddenly you feel the need to compete for it because of the perceived scarcity.

I took a dance from a girl who I felt was pretty good by reference to the rest at Dolls. Fantastic body and OK face. But taking the dance, her breath was like a sewer and when she lifted her arms she stunk like locker room socks. So even if you can get the surface stuff right you have these girls who can't take care of themselves. They decide to shave but not frequently enough to maintain themselves, so it's stubble everywhere and they could do with a bath.

You could take 1,000 euros and throw it around in this city trying to get something and not find anything to spend it on. Just booze and looking at shit, and that doesn't burn the money fast enough. It's become a sad situation.""""

Post: #2380

^
The person in question aged as well. he is talking about the 90's so he aged by 20 years at least. So if he was 30 then, now he is 50 and thus less attractive.

Post: #2381

(06-03-2016 09:05 AM)BrandoninKyiv Wrote:  Interesting post from a different forum...."What is going on here??"

Life is certainly not easy nowadays for whoremongers - especially in the FSU. As a side note, the guy seems to be pretty hardcore, he is surely now a sexpat in Pattaya.

Edit: many accurate points in the answer, but nothing fundamentaly new.

Post: #2382

Instagram really was such a shitty thing to happen.

But also, we are different too.

I have a friends friend who spent the 90s going to ukraine and had a whole network set up (p4p). I was hittimg puberty and hed come show us all these pics and he was like a god to us.

A few monthes back we were visiting this now married dude and i asked him if he still had the pics and he did (turns out he still goes there). The best was a 7.

In the 90s we didnt have instagram or internet or that much porn either and we werent hit with sensory numbing pics of hot girls left and right. It takes a stunner to impress us now but i suspect it wasnt the case then.

But yes, instagram is a real bitch. Theres no way a 9 or 10 slips through the cracks anymore

Post: #2383

On my way to Kiev right now, inspired by the three fascinating Ukraine threads. Will be there just 10 days.

Three things - A question - does anyone know what bars / clubs are good on what off nights?

Secondly would be great to meet any of you who are in town - if anyone's up for it PM me.

Thirdly - if it is of any use to anyone I created a custom google map of all the nightlife venues listed on these threads and elsewhere. PM me for a copy.

Thanks!

Post: #2384

(06-03-2016 09:05 AM)BrandoninKyiv Wrote:  Strip clubs that used to have 9's and 10's now have 4's and 5's. I was wondering at the purpose of the 100 kilo girl dancing at Mandarin tonight and then I realized, maybe she is there to make the other girls look hotter? But, some guy asked that girl to his table.

From another forum huh? Yet the (Goofy) writing style above makes me think you wrote it; I also hate it when 4's and 220+ pounders ruin the elegant art of pole dancing! There are so many morbidly obese Ukrainian strippers these days, it's hard to keep up, you might have to shake a stick at them.

I'm sensing you just don't want us to go to the Ukraine then? It's worse than smalltown obesity USA? BUT YET!! you are still there . . .

Post: #2385

I can send you the link to the Forum where I found this. I thought it was interesting and decided to share it. If you don't like it maybe you should contact the op Mr. Scrambled

Post: #2386

If Ukraine was such a shit hole guys from Turkey wouldn't be going there in droves. And trust me Turkish girls aren't that bad looks wise.

Post: #2387

Brandon, you are still trying to convince us all that Ukraine is a shithole, but you are still living here I presume. If you find any untouched pussy paradises devoid of iphones, Instagram and McDonalds then please make sure you let us all know

BTW this is not a P4P forum, most of us cannot identify with cheap whoremongers

Post: #2388

If you think guys here are not into p4p then you are not being honest with yourself or you are very naive.

Post: #2389

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I want more foreigners to come to kiev. I am opening a business here and want their cash flow coming into my pockets.

Last night and 19 year old came to my apartment. Badoo.....

Post: #2390

Went to ESHAK last night. Saw amazing girls. Expensive girls. Pros. Many sitting with older Turks or men from Caucasus region. Tonight went to a date with another girl from badoo. Really hot blonde milf. Age 32 and she works as a clinical research scientist in a lab. Avalon terrace is packed with hotties. Most are pros as the night drags on. I made friends with some of them.

One girl is arriving from Rivne tomorrow to spend the night with me and trying to figure out if a relationship is possible. She ignored me for awhile and I was all into her. I posted some jobs on my Facebook for my company that I am opening. Suddenly she starts paying attention. Now I put her in the back burner and she is getting jealous asking where I am and if I am with other girls. Some of the models I added on Facebook are talking to me. I straight out ask them if they are interested in a relationship. The response has been good. I will meet one of these models in a few days. I decided to lay off Badoo after I realized I spend about $1000 per month on it. Trying Facebook angle now.
Went on some dates with a few waitresses. Good girls. I kind of feel bad because I am only interested in short term relationship with them.

Post: #2391

(06-03-2016 05:09 PM)BrandoninKyiv Wrote:  Went to ESHAK last night. Saw amazing girls. Expensive girls. Pros. Many sitting with older Turks or men from Caucasus region. Tonight went to a date with another girl from badoo. Really hot blonde milf. Age 32 and she works as a clinical research scientist in a lab. Avalon terrace is packed with hotties. Most are pros as the night drags on. I made friends with some of them.

One girl is arriving from Rivne tomorrow to spend the night with me and trying to figure out if a relationship is possible. She ignored me for awhile and I was all into her. I posted some jobs on my Facebook for my company that I am opening. Suddenly she starts paying attention. Now I put her in the back burner and she is getting jealous asking where I am and if I am with other girls. Some of the models I added on Facebook are talking to me. I straight out ask them if they are interested in a relationship. The response has been good. I will meet one of these models in a few days. I decided to lay off Badoo after I realized I spend about $1000 per month on it. Trying Facebook angle now.
Went on some dates with a few waitresses. Good girls. I kind of feel bad because I am only interested in short term relationship with them.

I know her...great bang, she loves me, I am her favourite foreigner.

Post: #2392

What is her name?

Post: #2393

(06-03-2016 05:33 PM)BrandoninKyiv Wrote:  What is her name?

Post: #2394

Yep thought so

Post: #2395

(06-03-2016 07:21 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  You have some Polish blood I presume?

Only when my girl's on her period

Post: #2396

How do you think a Turkish guy would fair in Ukraine?

So far I've been to US,Mexico,Colombia,Panama,Nearly all EU countries,Thailand,Malaysia,Singapore,Indonesia,Philppines, Taiwan
I had the biggest success in Taiwan quality wise and Philippines Quantity wise.

I got a lot of attention in Colombia and Panama as well.

I am 182cm tall, 26 years old, fit, with very white complexion due to my mother being of circassian origin. I get called a white boy in America so you can say that I don't have that middle eastern look but a southern european one.
All my friends who went to Ukraine kept telling me how much of a great time they had. But I'm still skeptical because reading the posts here it doesnt seem that Turkish guys have a good reputation in EE.

Post: #2397

I know the hotel that I stayed in has bus loads of Turkish sex tourists that are part of organized sex tours. They operate openly. The lobby is filled with table after table of loud turks yelling and having a great time. The staff hates them. The organizer has 50 + girls coming in from morning until at least 3AM. The girls range from 5's to 7's. Ages 16 to 35. But mostly under 30. They go from room to room serving many clients.
The boss pays off hotel security. The rest of the hotel staff just rolls their eyes.
The attitude is basically they are Turkish princes and the Ottoman Empire still exists. And Ukraine is a playground and the women are to be used as sex slaves. They live to serve these pashas. The boss pays the girls only 25% of the $100 charged to the tourists.

The girls are mostly inexperienced. The more expensive escorts are appalled by the situation. The boss treats the girls really bad for the most part. I call him rat. He looks like a little sewer rat
. About 165 cm tall with a ugly beard that is unkept. He must be about 30.
Very arrogant and fiesty. When you see him you want to stomp his face.

He has a little helper that I named Cow boy. The Turks hit local bar's in between sex sessions. Cowboy came back drunk wearing a cowboy hat. So that is how he got his name.

He is a bug eyed paranoid looking pos. Rat even treated the security staff badly. Yelling at them throwing his hands in the air.

The Turks watch the steady parade of girls go up through the lobby. Then they slap each other on the back laughing. Then one decides to choose the girl and they go up to the room together.
When the sex is over the girl walks out red faced and sweaty. With a weird smile that shows anxiety, shame, embarrassment. The Turks laugh at her even more. Then they congratulate their colleague for his victory on the stupid white woman. Each week new groups of Muhammad's and Mustafa's arrive to reign over the white people in Ukraine. They treat the waiters like slaves. Yelling at them loudly to go fetch more tea. Royalty does not like to wait.

I wonder what the Turks faces would look like if a few Right Sector or Azov Battalion men showed up....

They would kick their asses back to Mongolia.

Post: #2398

Thanks for the input but I'm asking for non-p4p advise. If I wanted p4p I can get my fair share of Russian girls in Turkey too. And to be honest if I was looking for p4p I wouldn't give a damn about what the girls thought of my country and people.

Post: #2399

Oh damn...walked outside the hotel and see an empty can of REVO....

Post: #2400

NEED REVO