Post: #1401

(10-08-2015 09:07 AM)262 Wrote:  At the end of the day though, pretty much any Game problem is resolved by ... approaching more girls.

One of Roosh's most concise bits of wisdom. "All game is numbers game."

Broken down--

--If the problem is location (e.g. USA where you don't have enough value) crashing and burning 3-4 thousand times will clue you in- you need to leave.

--If the problem is a particular girl or set of girls success with others in that environment will mean you've leaned the code there and just have to employ it.

Post: #1402

(09-20-2015 11:21 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  The young 7 is take for granted here in the forum. We all wish for the 8 or 9.
The beauty of Ukraine is the great quantity of those darling 7s, like no other country on Earth now.

it all depends on the size of the city , what region ukrainy etc...East of the country (Ukraine) if it is a girl are more accessible and nice (faces) , family morality,opinion parents and religion was not very strong in Kharkiw, Dnipropetrowsk, Zaporizzja,Odessa, Kherson etc.. ...also this big industry city ..and girls in the East are not very afraid of gossip and rumors))


There you can get and the number of 8 or 9..not only 5-7 ..
Western Ukraine have is only one major city -lvov(Lwiw)-700 000 peoples..Iwano-Frankiwsk, Ternopol etc. just city 200 000 peoples only ..gossip ,gossip... ...))

Post: #1403

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRl8K-kVJlE

Miss NIGHT LIFE - Ukraine 2015))) nice girls

Post: #1404

cold and strange city Sumy..
This is my account of 7 or 8 visit to this 280 000 peoples city in the north-east of Ukraine..In the social sense, a city full of shit even for a poor country like Ukraine..but here I have a lot of old and new friends.
Ksiusha or Ksenia 24 age, very interesting person with a complex biography and charakter . I met her at the hairdresser. she hairdresser.as I haircut ,, bald guy,, that I had to learn quickly.I told her that I had never before had it so good in the barbershop\hairdresser. ,,Can I still come tomorrow?Can I still come tomorrow to get a haircut???,,..I told her that I could not get up and leave.she asked, why?

I say that i m hesitate because I have an erection. I told-,,I'm sorry but I'm not vulgar.just so happened.I'm not guilty, it's just a man's physiology,erection.you are the most amazing and gentle girl hairdresser in my life ...and believe me I have seen many hairdressers here in Ukraine and Europe!,,( maybe it was the biggest compliment she heard in the the dull and stupid city)
She asked me what I was doing in Europe .I told her that I am a Pole and a newcomer and live in Europe,but im from East and i m Russian-language man..I will soon leave ,,..it's a bit intrigued by her..We exchanged phone numbers..i told her ,,I'm not a millionaire or Arab sheikh,really..I'm a simple guy..but I would be happy to talk with you over a cup of coffee in the cafe,, and bla-bla-bla...

very nice gentle woman..fragile and thin ... she is divorced.I knew what that guy sometimes called her ,maybe new Boy Friend.she said that she was supposed ,,to meet Katya,, etc...small women's tricks..
first meeting in cafe .
the sex industry in the city is not very developed.foreigners in the city not so much as Kharkov..the city almost dead industry.work for men is very small..so the girls do not want to risk their reputation for little money.maybe they do not want gossip.but common hidden prostitution among the beautiful young girls 16-18-22 years in style ,,I am not a prostitute,e I have a wealthy sponsor,, .. can often be seen charming creature 16-17 years with long legs that kissing a man 35-45 years old and sits in his Lexus ...in the city of several nightclubs (5-6)which are rigidly compete in the fight for customers...if you clubber the clubs simply pathetic shit ..but I'm not sensitive to these issues ...I probably like ..many slow dances

..
..also in the city as I have heard from acquaintances of girls developed ,,marriage sex tourism,,..marriage agencies arrange a meeting with the guys from the West-Western man simply says, -I want to meet Kate, Julia, Tanya, Olga and Svetlana.Ok?,,...The girls in last years have not stupid and realize that the guy just wants sex, and also want to use it for the benefit of themselves ...and hiking in restoran,flowers , gifts or just money..
while many of the girls have young but poor local BF but find rich sponsor...but it is certainly not so clearly happening in the big cities ...I can not recommend the guys who are used to the Kiev salons and and must quickly resolve all the questions..girls are very well want money
but they can be very open..the city 300 000 peoples has only one a good massage salon ..
.there work is a really beautiful girl from another city and small town etc..


the dignity of the city-
1. really very beautiful girls ... probably one of the most beautiful in this great country .If you are an esthete and a lover of woman beauty the city can be visited..Dress very well in spite of the poverty and very low income even for Ukraine .Many girls work for 1500-1700 hryvnia per month ..I met here with a charming girl, Pauline who works in the hospital for 1300 hriwnas per month..

2.in spite of the total poverty of the population, I can not say that there is a ghetto ..in general, people are very reticent but not like the barbarians.I was once in Kherson, and it seemed to me that people were (in Kherson) more brutal than this ...

of all foreigners is perhaps in this city is dominated the Italians ..(mostly guys who married a Ukrainian girls)..on the main street in the summer I also saw the Japanese guy surrounded by 3 charming girls..he was constantly photographed the girls and the city ...
city Sumy just a large poor village but in general the city is clean and quiet .... the girls are amazingly beautiful.dominated by the blonde and light-brown and brown-haired - maybe it's the influence of Russia?.but there is also the famous Ukrainian hot type brunette with brown eyes a-la ,,Natalka ,, .Of course..Girls surprisingly thin and tall, bright little pale skin and many girls have gray and green and blue eyes ...but they kept very proudly,they look a bit cold and unapproachable.sometimes it is a little ridiculous )) They will not smile at you in the street as the Kharkov and Dnipropetrovsk and other big city girls..the city is oriented not only to Kiev but also in Moscow ..the city is a supplier and exporter of quality nice p..sy 8 -9 for
for ,,corporate events,, in Moscow(probably because the rich Russian love laconic and cold girls??))) and as well as for modeling agencies for example for impressions in China ( after impressions escort with rich Chinese ) etc..

Post: #1405

is a local beauty contest Miss Sumy 2014...about this ,,thin,, type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOz-3q9Mlp4

Post: #1406

(10-14-2015 04:20 AM)iwan80 Wrote:  it all depends on the size of the city , what region ukrainy etc...East of the country (Ukraine) if it is a girl are more accessible and nice (faces) , family morality,opinion parents and religion was not very strong in Kharkiw, Dnipropetrowsk, Zaporizzja,Odessa, Kherson etc.. ...also this big industry city ..and girls in the East are not very afraid of gossip and rumors))

This is what I keep hearing from guys in Ukraine who have never been to these cities but pretend they have (not accusing you).

I got the most beautiful girls in the West and I consider Odessa and Kharkiv girls as very difficult.

I guess I'm an exception...

Post: #1407

(10-16-2015 10:14 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 04:20 AM)iwan80 Wrote:  it all depends on the size of the city , what region ukrainy etc...East of the country (Ukraine) if it is a girl are more accessible and nice (faces) , family morality,opinion parents and religion was not very strong in Kharkiw, Dnipropetrowsk, Zaporizzja,Odessa, Kherson etc.. ...also this big industry city ..and girls in the East are not very afraid of gossip and rumors))

This is what I keep hearing from guys in Ukraine who have never been to these cities but pretend they have (not accusing you).

I got the most beautiful girls in the West and I consider Odessa and Kharkiv girls as very difficult.

I guess I'm an exception...

my dear friend ,in in Ukraine, all the girls are beautiful)))))))))))I agree that the girls in the east a little harder..they are less polite and correct.they can be more aggressive and outspoken words..they are more conflicted ..the girl from the west will not interrupt you while talking ....but personally I prefer mentally East.

according to statistics in western Ukraine is the lowest amount of cheating and divorce..there is a strong family and morality familyююWest Ukraine not land for pussy tour....Only exception Lwiw of course))

Post: #1408

,,I got the most beautiful girls in the West and I consider Odessa and Kharkiv girls as very difficult.

I guess I'm an exception...,,

but maybe they just hoped for a serious relationship with you???and therefore we decided to use this rare opportunity? nice guy from West..,,a Suddenly he loves me and create a family.WOoW maybe i been live in the rich West!!,,

because we do not know their thoughts....

Post: #1409

Does anyone have an up to date breakdown on cost of living in Ukraine? Can't find any new information on the Eastern provinces, although my estimates (educated guess) puts 1000-1500 per month depending on how I want to live

Post: #1410

Lviv is full of erasmus, i didnt perceive it as a good city for dating ladies, they are tired there of foreginers, a pity because old city is really beautiful to visit.

Post: #1411

Went on two more dates this week with a couple of 7's.

The first date was with the most masculine girl I've encountered since moving to Kiev, although you wouldn't know it by the look of her. She has E tits and an amazing waist to hip ratio with a perfect ass and loves to wear tight outfits, but that is where her charms end. Thursday night I met her at Tayger Pizza near Shuliavska. When I arrived she was with another guy and girlfriend. We all hung out for a couple of hours and I enjoyed myself very much. Then the friends bailed and she seemed enthusiastic about it being just the two of us, as was I. We started talking about other things and thats when the boner began to die. I wish I had checked the time because when I did it was after midnight. I ended up saying fuck it and just challenging all her empowered independent horseshit (to which she had no answer but refused to concede) until 5am when the metro opened back up. I guess she enjoyed the company more than I did, she even paid for my drinks which I was all too happy to let her to do since I knew I wasn't going to see her again. Maybe I'm just shallow but I couldn't give a shit about how awesome her body is when her character is FUBAR. I blame her previous boyfriend for lack of training.

The second date was last night at Vodka Grill right by Osokorky.
Red Flag #1: When I arrived she had her male roommate with her and one other guy friend. "Yay, here we go!" I thought and decided to put more effort into enjoying my time with her male friends than trying to gain any ground with her.

Red Flag #2: Only an hour after I arrived guy friend #1 had to bail. Her and I hit the dance floor and when I went in for the kiss she dodged it like a professional, "Wow, you're good at that." I said, and she pretended not to hear me. After we left Vodka Grill at around two I noticed how effeminate her male roommate was acting when it was only the three of us walking to get a snack. After we left she started acting extremely immature, but I thought it was probably just the drinks. We ate some sandwiches and her roommate decided he was tired so the night was over.

Red Fag #3: She invited me out on a proper date this evening and the immaturity continued. I figured if this chick was also fucked in the head why bother putting in any effort? The games continued and she thought she could play hard to get and lead the interaction. I realized this girl has a lot of experience manipulating guys and probably gets off on it.

When we were walking next to the Dnipro I see two 8's photographing each other so I stop to open them and am greeted by a couple of big smiles when I ask if they'd like me to take their picture together. After that the immaturity and fake laughter ceased and her behavior improved for about 30 minutes before relapsing to the same level of retardation. I didn't even go for the kiss and ended up quickly walking her to the metro before breathing a sigh of relief.

This week has been rather unlucky but it hasn't cost me more than 300 hryvnia to figure out that I never want to see either of these 7's again, a bargain at twice the price.

(10-16-2015 10:14 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 04:20 AM)iwan80 Wrote:  it all depends on the size of the city , what region ukrainy etc...East of the country (Ukraine) if it is a girl are more accessible and nice (faces) , family morality,opinion parents and religion was not very strong in Kharkiw, Dnipropetrowsk, Zaporizzja,Odessa, Kherson etc.. ...also this big industry city ..and girls in the East are not very afraid of gossip and rumors))

This is what I keep hearing from guys in Ukraine who have never been to these cities but pretend they have (not accusing you).

I got the most beautiful girls in the West and I consider Odessa and Kharkiv girls as very difficult.

I guess I'm an exception...

Nah you're not an exception, all 7+ Ukrainian girls are a time investment (unless for Revo of course). Maybe the ones in western Ukraine are a little easier but not by much.

Post: #1412

(10-17-2015 03:52 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Went on two more dates this week with a couple of 7's.

The first date was with the most masculine girl I've encountered since moving to Kiev, although you wouldn't know it by the look of her. She has E tits and an amazing waist to hip ratio with a perfect ass and loves to wear tight outfits, but that is where her charms end. Thursday night I met her at Tayger Pizza near Shuliavska. When I arrived she was with another guy and girlfriend. We all hung out for a couple of hours and I enjoyed myself very much. Then the friends bailed and she seemed enthusiastic about it being just the two of us, as was I. We started talking about other things and thats when the boner began to die. I wish I had checked the time because when I did it was after midnight. I ended up saying fuck it and just challenging all her empowered independent horseshit (to which she had no answer but refused to concede) until 5am when the metro opened back up. I guess she enjoyed the company more than I did, she even paid for my drinks which I was all too happy to let her to do since I knew I wasn't going to see her again. Maybe I'm just shallow but I couldn't give a shit about how awesome her body is when her character is FUBAR. I blame her previous boyfriend for lack of training.

The second date was last night at Vodka Grill right by Osokorky.
Red Flag #1: When I arrived she had her male roommate with her and one other guy friend. "Yay, here we go!" I thought and decided to put more effort into enjoying my time with her male friends than trying to gain any ground with her.

Red Flag #2: Only an hour after I arrived guy friend #1 had to bail. Her and I hit the dance floor and when I went in for the kiss she dodged it like a professional, "Wow, you're good at that." I said, and she pretended not to hear me. After we left Vodka Grill at around two I noticed how effeminate her male roommate was acting when it was only the three of us walking to get a snack. After we left she started acting extremely immature, but I thought it was probably just the drinks. We ate some sandwiches and her roommate decided he was tired so the night was over.

Red Fag #3: She invited me out on a proper date this evening and the immaturity continued. I figured if this chick was also fucked in the head why bother putting in any effort? The games continued and she thought she could play hard to get and lead the interaction. I realized this girl has a lot of experience manipulating guys and probably gets off on it.

When we were walking next to the Dnipro I see two 8's photographing each other so I stop to open them and am greeted by a couple of big smiles when I ask if they'd like me to take their picture together. After that the immaturity and fake laughter ceased and her behavior improved for about 30 minutes before relapsing to the same level of retardation. I didn't even go for the kiss and ended up quickly walking her to the metro before breathing a sigh of relief.

This week has been rather unlucky but it hasn't cost me more than 300 hryvnia to figure out that I never want to see either of these 7's again, a bargain at twice the price.

(10-16-2015 10:14 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 04:20 AM)iwan80 Wrote:  it all depends on the size of the city , what region ukrainy etc...East of the country (Ukraine) if it is a girl are more accessible and nice (faces) , family morality,opinion parents and religion was not very strong in Kharkiw, Dnipropetrowsk, Zaporizzja,Odessa, Kherson etc.. ...also this big industry city ..and girls in the East are not very afraid of gossip and rumors))

This is what I keep hearing from guys in Ukraine who have never been to these cities but pretend they have (not accusing you).

I got the most beautiful girls in the West and I consider Odessa and Kharkiv girls as very difficult.

I guess I'm an exception...

Nah you're not an exception, all 7+ Ukrainian girls are a time investment (unless for Revo of course). Maybe the ones in western Ukraine are a little easier but not by much.

That is why I believe aiming for a young Ukrainian or Russian 7 is all a foreign man should do. More than that, it is just a hassle.
And I don't believe that the great majority of slavic women over 30, can be above a 7.

Post: #1413

The first girl was 22 and the second was 24. I honestly think its just bad luck. Both the girls who lied about having boyfriends (I wrote about earlier) were 18.

Post: #1414

(10-17-2015 08:39 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 03:52 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Went on two more dates this week with a couple of 7's.

The first date was with the most masculine girl I've encountered since moving to Kiev, although you wouldn't know it by the look of her. She has E tits and an amazing waist to hip ratio with a perfect ass and loves to wear tight outfits, but that is where her charms end. Thursday night I met her at Tayger Pizza near Shuliavska. When I arrived she was with another guy and girlfriend. We all hung out for a couple of hours and I enjoyed myself very much. Then the friends bailed and she seemed enthusiastic about it being just the two of us, as was I. We started talking about other things and thats when the boner began to die. I wish I had checked the time because when I did it was after midnight. I ended up saying fuck it and just challenging all her empowered independent horseshit (to which she had no answer but refused to concede) until 5am when the metro opened back up. I guess she enjoyed the company more than I did, she even paid for my drinks which I was all too happy to let her to do since I knew I wasn't going to see her again. Maybe I'm just shallow but I couldn't give a shit about how awesome her body is when her character is FUBAR. I blame her previous boyfriend for lack of training.

The second date was last night at Vodka Grill right by Osokorky.
Red Flag #1: When I arrived she had her male roommate with her and one other guy friend. "Yay, here we go!" I thought and decided to put more effort into enjoying my time with her male friends than trying to gain any ground with her.

Red Flag #2: Only an hour after I arrived guy friend #1 had to bail. Her and I hit the dance floor and when I went in for the kiss she dodged it like a professional, "Wow, you're good at that." I said, and she pretended not to hear me. After we left Vodka Grill at around two I noticed how effeminate her male roommate was acting when it was only the three of us walking to get a snack. After we left she started acting extremely immature, but I thought it was probably just the drinks. We ate some sandwiches and her roommate decided he was tired so the night was over.

Red Fag #3: She invited me out on a proper date this evening and the immaturity continued. I figured if this chick was also fucked in the head why bother putting in any effort? The games continued and she thought she could play hard to get and lead the interaction. I realized this girl has a lot of experience manipulating guys and probably gets off on it.

When we were walking next to the Dnipro I see two 8's photographing each other so I stop to open them and am greeted by a couple of big smiles when I ask if they'd like me to take their picture together. After that the immaturity and fake laughter ceased and her behavior improved for about 30 minutes before relapsing to the same level of retardation. I didn't even go for the kiss and ended up quickly walking her to the metro before breathing a sigh of relief.

This week has been rather unlucky but it hasn't cost me more than 300 hryvnia to figure out that I never want to see either of these 7's again, a bargain at twice the price.

(10-16-2015 10:14 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 04:20 AM)iwan80 Wrote:  it all depends on the size of the city , what region ukrainy etc...East of the country (Ukraine) if it is a girl are more accessible and nice (faces) , family morality,opinion parents and religion was not very strong in Kharkiw, Dnipropetrowsk, Zaporizzja,Odessa, Kherson etc.. ...also this big industry city ..and girls in the East are not very afraid of gossip and rumors))

This is what I keep hearing from guys in Ukraine who have never been to these cities but pretend they have (not accusing you).

I got the most beautiful girls in the West and I consider Odessa and Kharkiv girls as very difficult.

I guess I'm an exception...

Nah you're not an exception, all 7+ Ukrainian girls are a time investment (unless for Revo of course). Maybe the ones in western Ukraine are a little easier but not by much.

That is why I believe aiming for a young Ukrainian or Russian 7 is all a foreign man should do. More than that, it is just a hassle.
And I don't believe that the great majority of slavic women over 30, can be above a 7.

Some guys in Poland are banging Ukranian 10's ))) I guess Warsaw is the new Eldorado )))

Post: #1415

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Post: #1417

(10-18-2015 02:43 AM)The Ligurian Wrote:  if a girl shows and red flags early on like turning up with a dude, just finish your drink and bail politely

Yeah I'm ruthless with this kind of things now. If the girl orders something expensive and has a bad attitude, I order nothing and excuse myself to go to the bathroom after a few minutes and never return...

Also, when I meet a girl for the first time from the internet and I don't like her (pictures much better than real life or such), I tell her I have to go to my apartment to wait for the cleaning lady to bring back my clothes. At which point, if I don't like her very much (physically or intellectually) but would still bang her quickly, I invite her to come with me. Of course, they usually refuse but I banged three girls like that after 30 minutes of meeting this last year.

Otherwise I tell her that she can wait in a cafe close by. Then I send her an sms that I have some problem in the flat and that I have to stay.

Nothing forces me to spend time and buy things to a girl that I don't like...

Post: #1418

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Post: #1419

The crap we eat sometimes in the classy places. Far from an exclusive from Ukraine, but this show exposes what we do not see.

Ukranian tv show Inspektor Freimut, in the famous Café Granat in Odessa. Check from 2:00 onwards, she inspects the kitchen of this place. Simply gross.

On a side note, cool and classy Inspektora.

Post: #1420

I agree with Ligurian on his post about the low 7s in Kiev (note: same may not apply, for good or bad, to other Ukrainian cities). My personal explanation (or mental masturbation) on why it is so, is that these girls are not (or no more) on the top tier of the local sexual market (I think I don't have to explain why I say *local). Therefore these women see themself obliged to be content in dating exclusively medium/low tier SMV local men. And bet your ass these guys don't have neither money nor game. Probably not even a far resemblance of look, especially if girls are no more in their prime. So what these girls, more often than not, do? They keep their pussies dry. Hoping for a miracle on a walk in Kreshatick. Or becoming neurotic professional shit-testers on dating websites like Mamba (I don't mention when they go to clubs, because in these circumstances the competition is so harsh among womem [young vs older, hot vs less hot, ecc.] that they get too nervous to possibly succed in a mating strategy.) Or end up waiting (and hoping) till their 30ies, then marrying a much older guy with some money and stability.
I can go on and talk about another range of ukrainian girls: the deluded low 8s. These are girls usually still young (22-25) who until short ago were on the very top shelf of the local sexual market, dating young and handsome sons of milionaires, celebrities ecc. But for some reason (bad luck, sudden fade of the beauty, falling in disgrace, ecc.) these chicks downgraded. They are nevertheless so used to the game going on when they were at the top, that end up recreating the same eco-system: so you see them recruiting low-value orbiters, banging gammas or omegas deluding themselves they are alphas, travelling (or dreaming to) to penis-paradise in the hope (often frustrated as they can't adapt the game to the new enviroment) to re-create the old glorious days. In the recent past I personally dated a few of these chicks and, although they might be still hotter than the average, I strongly advice to next them as soon as you notice one of these symtomps. I start to prefer, perhaps due also to my aging, a honestly horny 6 or a honestly marriage-seeking 7.

Post: #1421

Words of Wisdom coming from Ligurian, always be willing to take the "L".

Masculine Girl #1 texted me a single wall of text telling me what an amazing night she had and wants to see me again.

Immature Girl #2 showed up at my job because I made the amateur move of mentioning where I work when I stopped trying to fuck her and just wanted to enjoy the night, not thinking about game. Apparently she went to the head office and pretended to be interested in signing up only to get brief access to the schedule hanging on the wall. She saw my hours and what room I'm in. Her behavior was improved tonight but that doesn't excuse her stalking me after only two nights hanging together and we haven't even kissed yet. As we were walking back to the metro she started calling me a spoiled child and telling me how mad I make because I'm always so "tired" and "bored looking".

I really should have just shot myself in the foot and went all needy beta on them before ending the dates because now they're responding to my indifference and I fucking hate them for it. Where were these cunts ten years ago when I wanted to fuck like a rabbit?

Post: #1422

^Sounds to me like you are running good game on the immature girl.

Things cannot that be good for her is she has to show up at your work place.

Post: #1423

(10-18-2015 02:37 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Words of Wisdom coming from Ligurian, always be willing to take the "L".

Masculine Girl #1 texted me a single wall of text telling me what an amazing night she had and wants to see me again.

Immature Girl #2 showed up at my job because I made the amateur move of mentioning where I work when I stopped trying to fuck her and just wanted to enjoy the night, not thinking about game. Apparently she went to the head office and pretended to be interested in signing up only to get brief access to the schedule hanging on the wall. She saw my hours and what room I'm in. Her behavior was improved tonight but that doesn't excuse her stalking me after only two nights hanging together and we haven't even kissed yet. As we were walking back to the metro she started calling me a spoiled child and telling me how mad I make because I'm always so "tired" and "bored looking".

I really should have just shot myself in the foot and went all needy beta on them before ending the dates because now they're responding to my indifference and I fucking hate them for it. Where were these cunts ten years ago when I wanted to fuck like a rabbit?

I wish I had your problems Nomad. Have never had a girl "stalk" me so would love to have that happen for once. Here in USA (Washington, DC) I just had 2 girls cancel date's with me this week at the last minute and they were both no better looking than 6's. Running game is some frustrating and time consuming in the west, makes me want to pull my hair. You don't realize how good you have it in Kiev with the abundance of women present there so please enjoy every waking day.

Post: #1424

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Post: #1425

^^^ On the stalker girl who later got mad, remember that the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

And yeah, sadly, the Game you inadvertently employed - indifference - works more often than not on women all over the world.

Bitches be crazy.