Post: #1

Hello everyone,

Just a short introduction of myself before starting my "approach diary".

I've been friendzoned, I have whiteknighted and cockblocked so many times in my life that I'd rather prefer not tell you more of this.
I was blue-pilled at 150% and I would have tried to interfere with a gamer with my own "bluepill game" at the worst time.
Just know this: I had been a gamer's worst nightmare.

In January 2014 I had a big change in my life, due to meeting a guy who would be considered here an "Alpha male".
It was not the first Alpha (a concept I only thought existes only in the animal realm) I met but this.. well, this was not an "ordinary Alpha": I would rate him Alpha++.

He opened my eyes during a long night we spent dining in a nice restaurant in the city center. He, alone, picked up the two girls sitting at the table next to us, took them with us to our "second venue", took them with me at his place and .. banged one and convinced the other one to bang me.

He talked a lot to me since then and he told me that the best way to become like him was to try hard and harder.

So, I've tried, failed and, at last, found this forum while looking for travelling information about Iceland.

I am now a proud owner of a (digital) copy of "Bang" and I've read and re-read it at least 3 times in the last 5 days.

I think I am ready to start "gaming" girls, instead of wasting my time with bluepill truths and bullshit like that.

So, now something about me (suggestions welcomed)

- 1.75m tall (should be 5'9 .. right?)
- A bit overweight (100 kg -> 220 lbs?) but losing it at a semi-steady pace (I was 110 kg at the end of March and 100 kg at the beginning of June)
- Broad frame
- Look: well, I'll be honest. 4 normally, 5-6 when going out, 6 when suited up, 7 when FULLY suited up (custom shirt, custom suit and expensive shoes)
- Good general culture (I love reading almost everything and I have the infamous "printed paper vice" - Yes, I printed the PDF of "Bang" too..)
- Good conversationalist
- Recognized as a "party guy" by almost everyone I know (the guy you would call to know where to go at night)
- Good "clown" when needed
- I speak 3 languages fluently (Italian, English, French) and I pickup quickly the basics of other languages
- Average at approaching, good at engaging but absymal at closing
- Pretty good at locking down places

I've read about the 100 Approaches thing here and I'd like to try that to improve my chances with girls because everything else I've tried so far has been far less successful then what I thought.

#1 Beginning of June (before reading "Bang" - but after reading a LOT of topics here and creating my own "routine" exploiting my strenghts)
I received an invite recently from an old friend to his brand new "club" here in Milan.
The first night (around a month ago) I was there I was presented to the entire staff as "a friend of mine - treat him well".

I engaged the same night the girl behind the bar counter because the club was almost empty (first week "dry-run" just to check everything was working). Let's call this girl "Anna".
She's not from here, she's coming from another country and she spent 2y so far in Italy.
Engaged her on most random and boring topics while having a few drinks.
Complimented her maybe too much about her beauty (she's a 6 in working dress, but I've seen her potential). Did not get her name, number or whatever the first night and probably failed to get her engaged.
Walked out 2hrs later and met her outside smoking with the club owner and talking about what was not working at bar.
Left without saying anything else. ( )

Failed badly.

#2 Second week of June (still haven't read "Bang" fully, just the first part...)
Same club, same setting. I have the place on full lockdown by now.
Wasted a couple night during the week to go there and just talk to bartenders/waiters and the owner.
The owner engages a good looking girl (6.5) at the bar counter (he's pretty good at doing this) while I am around and draws me inside the conversation.

He leaves me with the girl alone ("I have to check the DJ's console") that we will call "Brunilde".

I start engaging her into the conversation about this new club, avoiding all standard and semi-standard questions ("Where are you from? How long have you been there? blah blah blah...") and I try to get as much information as possible out of her.
We talked about the new club, her thought about the guy that opened her up, what she thought would have been the best use for the club (Club? Pub? Mixed? Events?).
She provided me a lot of information about her while I kept my mouth shut most of the times about myself (I tried to be misterious and vague .. "I work in finance.." "I've been here before.." "Yes, I know the owner...").
No mention from her side about boyfriends/lovers/etc...
No escalation from my side () and no closing the distance between us.
We talked for like 1hr standing at the bar and drinking and then her phone rings. She answers and she tells me that she has to go because she has be up early the next morning.
I said goodbye to her with her name, she asked for mine. I told her that I won't give my secret name to strangers so easily.
She smiled a lot during our conversation and she smiled at this one too, so I told her that she would find me again at the club next friday (20/06).
She told me she would be there. We kissed on the cheeks and then she was gone.

Post: #2

#3 17/06/2014 ("Bang" readed thrice... starting to feel "The Vibe")

I went again to the same club (I'd rather not prefer using anything about the game within my common social circles until I have a bit of mastery about it) and met the owner speaking with one of the promoter girls who worked there last week (a solid 8) and another girl (8 - 9 for the body, 7 for her face.. probably a 5 without makeup).

We will call this girl "Carla".
He saw me and wanted me to sit down. Total 20 people inside the club.
The promoter girl istantly recognized me as the guy who took the pics of her and the other 2 promoter girls and then sent them the day after to the Facebook page.
He introduced me to the other girl who is a "promoter/event organizer" with some weird hobbies.

That's fine for me, I have weird hobbies too ...
So, she's fond of self-defenses courses (she's a teacher in one), she promotes/organizes events around the city, she has a nice vibe of a party girl.
I know some things about self-defense due to having a couple of friends in the Army and Navy, so I engaged her on that topic.
Moved on to the event organizing (I've been a DJ until not so long ago and I helped organize some events) and then talked about culture in my own city and what to do to improve it.
Talking lasted around 1.30hr, then I had to go home (it was getting late and I have to wake up early).
I offered to bring her home, since she was alone (the promoter girl left with the owner around 1hr before.. ) and took her home on my car.
We were a bit drunk, so she told me ...
"Remember, I am a self-defense specialist..."
I looked intensly at her..
"Did I tell you I am a masochist?" (with a smirk)

Hilarity ensues for like 5 minutes, we were in the car laughing hard while she was telling me that no one ever answered in such a funny way to that in the past.

Took her home, not even tried to escalate () but received her FB contact and mobile phone number (she voluntereed both of them).

When I got back home, I realized she left her umbrella (an expensive one) in my car.

Texted her this (early morning)

03.00 AM
ME: "Hey, just a question.. Is it real that blond girls love Yellow umbrella? If that is true, I think you left something in my car..."

03.02 AM
CARLA: "Nooooo.... I couldn't find it anymore! Is it in your car?!"
ME: "Currently it is in safe place"
CARLA: " "

03.05 AM
ME: "I think we should start negotiating the release of the hostage, don't you think? "

What should I text next? She hasn't replied yet (but she read the message).


Thanks to anyone who is willing to give me informations, suggestions and insights on everything I am writing.


I will try to keep it up in the next days.
My schedule for this week is:
- 19/06 Out with friends (colleagues, no women.. just males - in remembrace of a colleague who passed away last year on the 19th of June)
- Fri 20/06 Going back to the club (hoping to find "Brunilde" again)
- Sat 21/06 No plan so far
- Sun 22/06 Trying to pipeline a colleague (female) here that I knew is currently single after a long LTR (they broke up like 1 month ago).

Post: #3

My routine before going out is just over.

I am going to the same club for an "American Bar Night".

I will try to make at least 3 approaches there.
Let's see if I can pull something.

Post: #4

Ok, let's go.

Report 20/06

# 4 (TLR - Cockblocked and/or Gamed)
This is a follow-up (unexpected) of #1.
The same girl that was working at bar had her free day Yesterday and since the drinks are cheap (and probably free for her) she brought some friends with her.

She opened me up while I was coming back from the toilet and I did not expect to both see her there as a customer AND to have her opening me while I was going back to the main area.
She cheered at me, kissed me on the lips and asked me the standard small talk questions ("How are you/how has your week been/blah blah.."). We had a 5 mins small talk session then she asked me to join her Group of friends at the main area of the club.

I told her I welcome her offer but I thought that since she is there with her friends relaxing I do not want to be a nuisance.
She told me she would welcome me because I am a cool and funny guy.

A couple minutes after I was at her table with her friends, 2 males and 2 females.
One man and one woman are in a relationship (french kissing, cuddling) and the other 2 person are alone or not engaged.
I use every bit of my "social skills" to engagé fully the Group and in 20 minutes we are all laughing toghether and having fun while watching around waiting for the pool table to be free.

I try to kino her a bit, she's sitting right next to me. Kino on legs was fine, I felt some resistance when I rubbed her back but nothing that I could not overcome.

If it might be useful for anyone, I used the following routine to engage the Group:
1) I did not went for the standard "Hi, I'm Joe" but I just sit down close to Anna while just saying "Hi" to everyone.
2) I had a drink, so I finished the last bit of it to gain 10s to clear my mind and get ready
3) I told them I am a friend of Anna and I would guess, based on their appearence, what do they do as work or where they're studying
4) To the big guy, who looked really calm and laid-back:
ME "I think.. uhm.. let me guess, you're a wrestler, aren't you? I see that in your muscles! You kill probably lift me and throw me outside If I say something wrong!" (Always smiling, people laughing all around)
5) To the 2 girls I said
ME "You look like nurses.."
THEM "Why?"
ME "I can see in your eyes that you care for people, even if you don't like them like you're doing to me.. right now". (general laughter)
6) To the other guy:
ME "I think we share a similar work.."
HIM "Yes, I am pretty sure about it.."
ME "So, where did you park your fighter biplane tonight?" (General laughter) ".. And by the way, you forgot the red scarf..." (again, laughters)

We went to the pool, me and Laid-Back guy against Anna and one of her female friend. We won by measure just for the sake of it (I'm pretty good at pool) and then we got back at the table.
She went to the toilet with a friend and sat down talking with the other guy and deflecting a really ankward question (they're all Albanian and Albania has been a colony of Italy). I told them that I haven't lived that time, I just studied it and I don't really know what happened in that time (false, my grandad was a soldier during WW2 and he was in Albania, so I have an idea about it.. albeit general). I told them that a lot of time has passed and I think that forgiving and forgetting is the best way to work toghether toward the future and I did not want, anyway, to talk about politics in a moment while we were just having fun.

When she got back, she seated in another place, far away from me because Laidback guy was sitting close to me talking.

In that moment, a couple of guys I knew barely sat down close to her. I recognized one of the two as a musician who had been playing a lot in the club and I realized the situation was getting really bad. They were aggressive in their kino and they had far more time to game her than I did. One of the guy started doing the escalation that I should have done before.

A few minutes after, Laidback and the 2 girls were already annoyed by those 2 guys and decided to leave, with Anna too.
I just stood up and politely said goodbye to everyone, including the musicians (that did not reciprocate).
They went out, we had a cigarette all toghether and then they left. I decided to stay (I had spotted a couple of interesting targets inside) and I decided to try to game those.

(30 mins later, the musicians were back into the club alone, without the rest of the Group).

I did something dumb and texted Anna about her leaving saying that "obviously, a blond girl prefers musicians over cool and nice people". She did not reply, so probably I've burned her.
That was the second big mistake of the night in this approach.

Post: #5

20/06

#5 (followup of Carla, #3)
She was in the club with some friends, so I texted her that I still had the "hostage" in my car (the umbrella she forgot there).
I told her that I am open to negotiations.

I tried really hard to gain her attention while in the club but she was with 4 male friends (and I was in another table with Anna).
So I just thought to leave her alone there until Anna and her friends left.
I looked at her and saw that now she was just with one guy, not 4, and they were talking really "professionally". She was probably talking about work issues or something similar.
There was kino, so I observed casually from my spot what was happening.
The guy left, she want to the bar and I finished my drink in an hurry. I went there to have another drink and I enjoyed the commotion there (a drunk girl was saying to a few guys that she would do body-shots for them if they bought her the shots.. And they did!).
She was like staring amused at the situation. I come up from behind, she did not notice me and I told her "If you pay me a shot, you can have a bodyshot off me!" (smirking).
She turned around, started laughing and we ordered our drink.

I told her about the umbrella, she laughed again and she said she would love to have it back. I told her there's a price to pay for the release of an hostage and she laughed hard again.
She told me "it's fine, you have an hostage.. Ok, you can keep it for now, but we're going to negotiate the release next week!"
I replied with a "That's fine, let's make it next Wednesday, at 20.00 at XXXXXX"
She replied with "I still don't have an agenda for next week, but we're going to talk again soon. I must check if my colleague came back from the toilet in one piece and we probably have to leave..."
At end, the guy was coming behind her pretty drunk, he said "hi, cheers, hello" to me and then went out.
She told me she had to go with him back home to take him there safely, so I just said goodbye.

I texted her today but she has not replied yet.

Post: #6

#6 (followup of #2, Brunilde)

So I was in the club after having see Anna leave and Carla too.
I just milled around having my last drink of the night when I see Brunilde again here..
I smile and wave at her, she's with 2 friends, a couple.

I went there saying hi to both of them and introducing me (even to Brunilde too... we did not introduce the first time).
Music was REALLY loud, so we just "talked" about petty small talk and I told them a couple of my lines to make them laugh.

They were leaving the club anyway, but Brunilde asked me for my Facebook ID and I told her that I was willing to give it to her in Exchange of her phone number.
She agreed, so now I have her number and FB ID.

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After this approach I decided to go back home since I felt I had enough alcol for the night and I was a bit pissed off by what had been happening with Anna.

Comments are welcome. I really, really, really, should improve my game (kino/closing) and start using the number I now have in my mobile phone.

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Tonight I am going out again and I will try 3 more approaches, but this time I won't (re)approach people I already know.
I will try going in cold.

Thanks everyone for reading!

Post: #7

"This was a strange turn of events and it disturbed me" (™)

Ok, Yesterday I could not do 3 approaches due to how the night evolved.

I am not going out again tonight since I decided to rest a bit due to an heavy week at work coming right now.

#1 Anna, the bar girl, showed up again there.
She is not working anymore as bartender but she is working for another bar/club/disco owned by the same owner of the club I was in.

I thought I had insulted her with my message friday night but seems like she had not really been insulted.
And this was the strange turn of events that disturbed me.

We were staying close to each other at the bar, we did not realize we were so close (I was talking with another girl and I was going to the bar to pick up another drink for me).
We bumped into each other, she stayed REALLY phisically close to me for the 4 minutes we took to get a drink.
I straightly told her she hadn't still answered my question ("When is your free day?") and she told me that she is free next Tuesday.
I told her that was fine for me and that I going to pick her up at her place with my car. She replied she could come to the club with her bike and I told her I was not going to stay in this club that night.
She agreed for tuesday, she smiled, kissed me on the cheeks and went back sipping her drink.
I saw her 10 mins later going out of the club and waving me with a "bar uniform" rather than her outfit (which was very basic, jeans and tshirt + sneakers).

So probably, I have the first date due to using the skills I've read about in Bang.

The second strange turn of events was the showing up (AGAIN) of Carla, the self-defense specialist.

She was standing just there, sipping a drink and talking with one of the promoter girl.
I found out, a few minutes later, that they don't have only a work relationship but they consider each other friends and have spent a lot of time toghether on holidays.
I texted her from the other side of the club telling her that I've seen her and I still have an hostage.. Yelly, the Yellow Umbrella.

We talked for like 5 mins with the promoter girl (which is a solid 7) then Carla told me that some of her friends were in another venue and she wanted to join them.

I checked the situation:
- A big birthday party was going on inside
- Really few girls invited
- The few girls were clearly out with their boyfriend and/or already chatting up with other guys

"Ok, I'll bring you to the other venue AND I'll join you for tonight ONLY if you friends are as smart as you are"
She started laughing, we waved goodbye at the club owner and we went to the other place.

Unfortunately, her friends were SIX, 3 couples + the two of us.
I used all of my social skill to engagé everyone at the table and we had a really good time.
I couldn't escalate or do other tricks inside the second venue due to the fact that she was talking a lot with another girl there. I overheard that they were organizing an event for next week and they were talking about work-related matters.

At 02.00am the venue closed and we said goodbye to everyone.

I took her back home again, without many chances to escalate phisically due to not having another venue open close to where we were AND having the car REALLY close (3-4 mins walking).

I thought that the situation was not good for trying to escalate at her place. Don't ask me why, I probably made another mistake and I should have used the bathroom trick but.. I don't know, something in my mind blocked me.

We left each other, she went home and I went home..

I still have her umbrella
This afternoon I sent her a text on FB:
"MADAME! MADAME! PLEASE, HELP ME! I'm Yelly, the Yellow Umbrella, he's keeping me toghether with all the Others here in his home. Please, madame, negotiate with him.. I heard he's going to do to me horrible things if you don't negotiate with him... please, Madame... He's sleeping right now, that's why I have control over his PC, but he's going to wake up soon.. I have to go now, please, don't forget about me..."

She replied half an hour later with a laughter smiler and then I haven't decided yet if I should text her again or not.

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I will keep you updated in the next days and I will do my best to secure the BANG! (at least with Anna).
I am just afraid of having been gamed by her but.. I'll see on Tuesday (if she does not flake).

Thanks everyone.. Suggestions are Always welcome and if you need any kind of clarification feel free to ask.

Post: #8

Ok, so here's the report from Yesterday with Anna (#1).

For those who loves the TL;DR -> She's probably gaming me and I am gaming her, so it's not going to be easy.

I picked her up at her workplace (she was doing the afternoon shift 12.00-20.00) at 20.30.
She was dressed normally and I've realized that she is pretty good looking even without being dressed or with high heels (big plus for me - I love the "natural look" and light/no makeup).

We went to my favourite place (it's on full lockdown on my side ) to have a drink.
She apologized when she told me she would like to be back at her workplace to pick up her bike at max 23.00 and I told her that I understood that (she is living 10 mins by bike from her workplace but the area is not really .. 100% safe - that's why she wanted to go "early" rather than staying out all night).
Sadly, I can't put a bike in my car.. I don't have enough space and she has one of those.. "sportbikes" (?) with really thin wheels but a pretty big frame.

We had our drink and some small talk while in the car. I was pretty impressed by her intelligence and smartness and I kept my guard up trying to not give her too much information about me but..
.. I think she knows how to game people and I found myself in a couple of situation where I was closed in.

I thank again Roosh for sharing his tips with us because I've employed some strategies during the night.

We were on an equal footing (most of the time) on the teasing part.
She's not the kind of girl who gets offended if you make a remark when she is shit-testing you

HER "See? Those are my friends living in XXXX .. Aren't those girl beautiful?"
ME "Well, it's not really difficult being more good looking than you" (smirking)
HER "Yes, agreed. I should definitely go to the seaside or the lake and getting some more tan. I am much better when tanned" (smirking)

She was REALLY much teasing me trying to get me embarassed..

HER "You know, I don't like picture of people kissing each other on FB or other social media"
ME "Yeah, agreed. I Always like to keep some privacy about my personal life on FB and on other social media" (serious)
HER "Oh, that's nice from you too. You know, I prefer the.. how can I say.. 1 to 1 interaction rather than public.. It feel more.. private and interesting"
ME "Well, 1 vs 1 sounds pretty interesting to me too..." (smirking)
HER "Nice. That's something we have in common, haven't we?" (smirking)
ME "Sure." (smirking/semi-serious)

I tried to kino her, but the truth is SHE kino'ed me during most of the night without me realizing.

I could not do the "Stare Contest" move but I did once the "Hair Stroke" movement and she appreciated it a lot.
She touched me a few times on my arms and twice on my leg, but Always really light and really quickly. Enough to keep my interest up.

Some good points from her side:
- She had a smartphone and she just used it twice to show me pic of her with different hairstyle and picture of her female friends
- She just talked about her ex like "I did have a relation with that guy, I had fun until it lasted, we quitted on good terms but I can't consider him my friend"
- She received a phone call from her dad. I could see the name on the screen (some words are similar in every Language). I let her answer by saying "I'm going for a smoke, feel free to answer the call"
- She's smart, really smart.
- She paid for her drink. I said to her that I would make an exception to my general rule and accept the money (was it right? Be aware that here not paying for a girl's drink on date could be seen as rude or cheap..)

We just had one drink because she did not want to drink anymore after the first, saying that she had been working since 12.00 and it was really late.

I took her back at around 22.45 at her workplace to pickup the bike, we kissed on the cheeks (but really close to the mouth) twice outside my car. After that, she was gone to the workplace to pick up the bike and I saw her a couple minutes after at the semaphore.

I haven't texted her today and I've found out tonight that Tomorrow evening we are invited at the club owner's home to have dinner with his pregnant wife (that can't go to restaurant at the moment due to the pregnancy which is already in the 8th month).
We had been invited both, so I'll see her again tomorrow evening.

Should I text her? I would rather not, since it would be seen as needy.

I must admit that she's probably interested but... I can't say.
I'll see Tomorrow.

Advices are welcome.

Thanks everyone for reading.

Post: #9

Haven't read yet, but good work on killing off the white knight inside. I'll try to give some advice later.

Post: #10

(06-25-2014 04:32 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Haven't read yet, but good work on killing off the white knight inside. I'll try to give some advice later.

Thanks.

Advices from experienced players are more than welcome.

It took me TOO many years to realize that I was fighting a losing battle as a beta/WK/Orbiter.
I had been lucky enough to meet that guy a few months ago who REALLY opened up my eyes.

I'm keeping this log also to remind myself what I am doing and why I am doing it and what I am doing wrong (a lot, it seems to me.. but probably I'm just falling into the "over-analyzing-male-hamsterizing" thing...).
I sometimes realized I've done something wrong (sadly) when it is probably too late. Re-reading what I did helps me stay focused on the target.

Well, I'll pass for the selfish guy but... It's probably more for ME than for the gamer's community.

Post: #11

Talking about Post #8, I forgot that I also used the "Points" routine... So she ended up at -499.995 points.

I told her the score at the end of the night and she was trying to figure it out.

+5 general random points (not told to her)
-3.000.000 for not being good at cooking (while I am) (told her)
+500.000 because of no use of the smarthphone (not told)
+1.000.000 for the 1 vs 1 (not told)
+500.000 for being smart (not told)
+1.000.000 for not talking about soccer (not told)

So she knows I told her she's at -499.995 but she hasn't figured out why.

Post: #12

"No plan survives contact with the enemy" (Helmuth von Moltke)

So, here we go.

We had dinner toghether at a common friend's place.
The dinner was for 4... (you, Anna, your friend and his wife)


You planned everythng in advance, so you decided to bring 2 bottles of good wine, while you shower you started thinking really hard About what you are going to say (then lapse into what you would like to do and get out of the shower with a boner), you comb your hairs carefully, you use the right cologne (the one she told you she liked) and..

.. And when you show up to your friend's house.. There's a FIFTH guest, a person that you already know and you know he's an idiot (and socially ankward...)

You keep the vibe up all dinner, trying to include him into conversation. He refuses to say more than 8-10 words when involved unless it's a matter he knows really well (gardening...). Halfway through the dinner he starts rambling about the flower on the terrace, how they can be differently arranged, how to take care of them.. for 2 hours.

When you isolate yourself with the girl you are trying to bang he just raises his voice to be listened anyway.

You hope that he will leave after dinner to get back home. He doesn't.
He sticks around ALL NIGHT LONG, you can't even talk to the girl or your friend because he will just be there, telling his random opinion on things he does not know (he's drunk right now.. so..).

The girl you are trying to pickup Leaves at 23.45 saying "she has to wake up early Tomorrow" just to avoid being annoyed again About the best way to cook meat or to drink wine or to take care of flowers.

Luckily, he get hammered half an hour later.

Plan B: open up anything in the club you're right now.
3 Australian good looking girls (a 24y 7, a 23y 6.5 and a 21y 5.5/6) are there playing pool alone.
You challenge them. You open them up.
20 minutes later you have finished your pool game with a win while you were teaming with the blond 6.5.
The other 2 girls looks around and decide to go sitting a few table away from you were a couple of guys are sitting alone and the 6.5 decided to stick with you.
You start talking to her, you create your small bubble of peace, she is focused on you. You kino her lightly, she kinos (?) back lightly too.
You get a couple of drink for both of you. You sit again, closer..

And at that moment another guy sits down there trying to game her.
You realized in 30s that your english is far better and he is not much better looking than you - so .. Game on.

He starts bothering her with the same old "standard" routine questions (where are you from, what do you do for living, what are you doing here, blah blah blah..).
She is seriously annoyed and tells him, 30 seconds after he started talking, to go away because she has already company.

That spoiled the night.
After that, she cooled down towards me too.
She went to the toilet and when she got back she said she was going to sleep at the hotel because she has a train to catch early morning. I look around the place, I can't see her friends anymore and I let her go. Stupid mistake, I know. Realized it this morning.

So, that's all for Yesterday.

I had a cat nap now, I'm going to have a shower and get ready to roll out again tonight.
I hope that luck will be on my side.

Post: #13

"Endure. In enduring, grow strong." (Dak'kon - Planescape Torment)

TLDR: Failed with a bunch of drunk girl because I did not escalate and Friendzoned (by her side) from Anna. Game on.

Where should I start?

Went again to the same club. I'm a regular now over there, the owner wants me to be the new resident DJ for the winter season (but I really haven't made a decision yet, so I'm just buying myself time).

He wanted to talk to me, so I went there expecting to stay for like 30-40 mins before moving out and joining my friends in another place.
His wife was there too so we started talking about yesterday's dinner, the future of the club, the bad weather, the residency as DJ, the (great) bartender that they have, how much do I love EDM, how much do I like ......

I stayed there for 3 hours, at the end ("Have a drink, talk with us, let's have something to eat, let's have a cigarette...").

At 23.00 I decided it was not a great idea driving to another place (I had 3 drinks so far..) and decided to spend the rest of the night there.

A Group of 4 belgian girls was milling around, sitting on the sofas and chairs around a couple of small tables.

I was going to the toilet, I passed near them and saw the owner opening them up for me!
I told him I would join the Group after I've finished my "private mission" and went to the toilet.

When I got back, he made me set in the middle of them and I entertained them for 2 hours by playing the "Guess/Tease" game.
2 of the girls left the place at 00.00, so I was now sitting there with the owner and the 2 girls.
The bartender joined us in a moment of calmness at the bar with 24 shots.
4 shots after I was a bit drunk, but still fine.

The 2 chicks were showing much interest in the owner AND me, the bartender did his best to make them drunk.
That's why I think he's one of the greatest bartender I've ever met.
He just brought us, every 15-20 mins, some more "sweet shots" and made us drink them with the girls.

The 2 girls left the place because I did not escalate with them. The blond one was looking really interesting (a 6.5 but with a REALLY nice "happy/friendly/partygirl" vibe) and it's completely my fault if I did not went for the kill.

After they left I saw Anna entered the club.
She stood there, looking at me.
I went for the console, I mixed a few more tracks and then decided to leave the place to go back home. No one, except Anna, the owner and the bartender were still around.

Anna left while I was recovering some of my gear.
My mobile phone was shaking in my pants, so I checked it.
While I was at the console, I couldn't speak to her due to having headphones and being concentrated, so I sent her a couple of messages via FB Messenger.

ME: "Jealous?" (smirk emoticon)
HER: big smile emoticon
ME: Ok, it's a "yes".
ME: We both know that
ME: (smile emoticon)
HER: HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
HER: Oh, really? What I should be jealous of?
ME: (smile)
ME: It's true
ME: You're far better than those girls.
HER: That's not important
ME: (smile emoticon)
ME: Look at me
ME: Do we still have to hold this "I-look-at-you-but-I-don't-look-at-you" game longer?
HER: I was just saying
HER: Anyway, those are words we don't even need to pronunce because I want to be clear you're just a friend to me and I have no reason to be jealous.

So, seems like that I received my payoff for not escalating.

I haven't answered to her text today, but I am going to probably see her again soon (like in 3-4 hours) because I'll be at the place making the opening DJ set before moving to another party.

I was thinking about following this strategy

- Don't reply to her message anymore (she hasn't wrote anything yet after the "friendzone" thing - radio silence)
- If I see her tonight I will just act out of politeness ("Hi! How are you? Fine? Good.. See you later, I have things-to-do")
- Ignore her for everything else, like she was not even there

Advices are welcome and thank you everyone for reading this.
I hope that keeping this diary will help me improve my game and we will see what happens.

JM

Post: #14

Good work man. I'm thinking of starting my own approach thread. If I have anything to say it would be that you should try more daygame for the experience and if you've been daygaming, nightgame will be even more natural.

Post: #15

"WCPGW? (what could possibly go wrong?)"

TL;DR: need to improve game at all costs. Outsmarted by another guy and self-locked in a bad situation.

Long night, I'll sum it up briefly:

- Went to a club event outside Milan where I could not play the game very much due to the lack of targets and being in a place were I know everyone.

I had 2 possible targets available but:
- one has recently engaged with a guy that I know really well (can't consider him a friend, but still I know him - I think they're still FWB but I am not sure) so I just chatted a bit with her without gaming her. Just told her again that my offer for a dinner out is still valid until the 10th of July. We laughed a bit, then I went my own way. She's a solid 7, 9 if you a big tit lover

- Chatted up another girl there that I know since a couple of year. I felt pity and decided to not game her because I knew she lost her mother a couple weeks ago. Yes, she's Always being nice to me and I feel it would not be too difficult to bang her (she's 45, single, with a good and stable work and she's still riding the carousel + she's a party girl) but she looked still a bit shocked. We spoke for around 15 mins, I hugged her and did just as assgrab (yes, not the first time but never banged before) and took a couple of picture with her.

I left the party at around 00.15 to get back to my preferred club.

At my club I found there were the 4 belgian girls that I had already met a bit bored by not finding a disco where to spend the night.
Called a couple of friends to know where they were, found a good club with free entrance for ladies and told them I was going to go there: they would have been guest in my car for the ride there and we could have spent the night there.
2 of them disengaged and went to bed straight while 2 girls remained.
We were picking up everything when another guy, out of the blue, started chatting up the blond one.
I was close to the other one so tried to attact again her attention but...

At the end, failed in everything due to being pissed off by this random guy destroying a GOOD situation for me.
I went home and went to sleep.

So, learn again.
Close the deal about moving the venue FASTER to avoid annoying situation.

Post: #16

(06-28-2014 09:34 PM)plebhunter Wrote:  Good work man. I'm thinking of starting my own approach thread. If I have anything to say it would be that you should try more daygame for the experience and if you've been daygaming, nightgame will be even more natural.

Thank you, mate.
I've decided to not count them anymore, I will just keep a log of them on this forum to help me improve my game by letting other people look at them and tell me, if I did not realize, what I did wrong.

Daygame is a bit messy for me.
I am generally suited up due to my work and I spend most of the time in office/my car/my customer's place.
I'd rather give 100% to my own work since I have the chance of tripling my wage in the next 6-10 months if I play my cards right NOW, so I'll stick to only night game for a while longer.

Post: #17

.....
Luke: All right, I'll give it a try.
Yoda: No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
.....

TLDR: I was tired, I wasn't in right mood, I was creepy and scared 2 british girls.

Yes, last one for this week.

I decided to go out to have another drink tonight just to not spend the night here doing nothing useful.

Went to another place I have in lockdown and just sit at my usual place.

Tried to open a couple of british girls sitting close to me.
REALLY bad failure. I realized after 10 mins I was sounding creepy and I was scaring them rather than making them interested.
Ended the conversation, payed for my 2 drinks then went home.

Lesson learned: if I am tired and not in the right mood do not try to open people up.
You will just sound creepy (they were pretty Young, I guess something like 19-20y old), you will scare people and make a bad impression.

__________________________________________

On a completely different matter, I was spending some time on my facebook profile this afternoon uploading some pictures.
A girl that I met a few nights ago chatted me up because she was sick at home due to the bad weather (we had a 10 days of really bad weather, far more common in NL/UK rather than here... Rain-sun-rain-sun-rain...).
I told her to rest and recover

She's 38 or 39, probably single.

Here's the conversation:

11h ago
HER Ciao Joe, everything's fine? I am at home sick
ME In june?
ME:
ME: Weather is changed continously here in such a short time

10h ago
ME: C'mon, rest in bed, take a couple of aspirins and relax
HER: I've already doing that! Aspirins.. and a good bottle of cognac
HER: Tomorrow I'll be back on my feet
ME: Nice, so Wednesday we can go out having a drink
HER: Why not? Let's do it for Tuesday!
ME: Tuesday I can't - I've already something else to do
HER: If you can't we could do it on Saturday...
ME: Saturday? Saturday it's full of children running around, I prefer going out during the weekdays
HER: Ok, you old man .. And Friday?
ME: Young Woman ... You can go out only on Tuesdays?
HER: No, Tuesdays I can't, Wednesdays too and .. Friday, yes!
ME: Fine for Friday
ME: Thursday I am out with an ex colleague
HER: Ok
ME: I'll put it on my agenda for friday
ME: Noted.
ME: I'll call you Wednesday to set up the meeting
HER: Where?

4 hours ago
ME: Where?
ME: We will decide it on Wednesday

2 hours ago
HER: Sorry Joe, I'll be honest but I've been a bit too.. hurried up... I'd prefer going out with a Group of friends.. I don't know when.. I'm telling this to you in all honesty.. See you soon and good night...

What should I text next?
I just did not reply so far...

Thanks everyone for reading

Post: #18

“You have to be quite heavily invested in someone to do them the honour of telling them you're annoyed with them.” (Alain de Botton)

My prospect for tomorrow flaked with the "IhavetoworkalotandIhavenotimeforyou" this afternoon.

Lesson learned: PIPELINE MORE.
I know, it's one of the basics but I am the kind of person that needs to crack his head on the wall to understand things, sometimes.

6 hours ago
HER: Hey, Tomorrow I cannot be out with you because I don't know when I will get out from my office. It will be a really hard week, sorry
ME: I was thinking I was the only one staying in the office until 20.00
ME: So, it's a "No, we can't meet" for Tomorrow evening?
ME: We'll see each other another day

1 hour ago
HER: If I am not too tired I might get one night at XXXXXX for a beer, but I am not really sure about it. It will be difficult.

My next reply will be in 4-5 hours.
___________________________________

Wednesday I'm out with a (female) colleague who is married to another colleague that I know really well, so it will be NO GAME night.

Thursday I am out with an ex male colleague having an (informal) "Aperitivo" about me moving into his company. Probably again NO GAME night due to logistics (he's going to pick me up at home and bring me back, so I won't be going around with my car).

Friday - there should be the girl who texted me that "she does not feel it would be good to go out alone with you".
I will call our mutual friend and set up a night with them, so I can try gaming her again.

___________________

Talking about pipelining...

I've just found out that my phone plans gives me 400 minutes per month of free phone calls to evertyone.
Now I'm just checking every single female number I have for a possible prospect.

Post: #19

"All hands on deck!"

TLDR: Made twenty mistakes in 20 minutes.

Long story made short...
Met those 2 girls, one was departing the morning after (7) while the other is staying there until Friday (7.5).

Focused all my interest on the wrong one (.. make a guess .. )

Realized the mistake after 20 minutes of conversation.

She went to sleep, tried to refocus attention on the one who had been left here.

Gamed by her.
Filled up her attention meter up to full, acted like a random beta.
When her attention meter was full, she left.

I will re-read Bang Tomorrow evening before retrying again something. It seems that as soon as I get confident with some routines to open up girls I screw it up somewhere else.
Sometimes I fail at the routing but still keep the girl interested and I fail to escalate.

Tonight was a no-game night due to being out with the wife of a colleague (that I knew even before they were married) and so it's offlimits for now.

Tomorrow probably again no-game night due to aperitivo with a male colleague (we will have to talk seriously about business, so I don't want distractions).

I'll restart the "100 approach routine" on friday evening. I've also decided to NOT count them anymore.

Lesson learned...

Post: #20

"Captain! We're taking damage!" (Various movies)

TLDR: Out with a colleague, called by a female friend, 80km and a few drinks. Just a "stolen kiss" as booty.

Yesterday night I had a big change of plan due to a Whatsapp message.

I was out having an (informal) Aperitivo with a colleague when this girl, which I knew since 2011, showed up on my Whatsapp with a message.
We had a few contacts in the last 10-20 days via both FB and Whatsapp but this took me by surprise.
She asked me to go out with her the same night, at around 21.30.

Luckily, my colleague had to go back home, 40 km outside Milan, to his family so he left me early.

Took my car and picked her up.

Went to a bar that I know close to the Navigli area and had 2 drinks there.
I was feeling a bit of buzz in my head due to the 4 drinks in like 3hrs without eating much, so I was pretty open and daring.

When we went back to my car to drive her home she just kissed me because I said something dumb.
I moved my face in a way that she did not expect and she kissed me on the lips.
She accused me, jokingly, about "stealing kisses from innocent girls" (she has a BF and a mortgage with him, they bought the new house around 3 months ago and I know I am not the only one she hangs out with - innocent, eh?).
I took her back home, it was really late.

I told her that if we have to see again just for this, there's no reason to waste time for both of us.
She looked... displeased, like "I lost another beta who takes me out for a drink and I don't have to pay" (yes, I paid her drink but I made her pay for the parking )

Well, NOW I realize that it is BETTER if I lose her.
________________

On a more emotive note, I've found out that my "mental armor" is getting damaged.

Rejections + my not perfect knowlegde + realizing now how many chances I've burned in the last few year is hurting me a bit.

I'll keep it up for as long as I can but the "continous approaching girls" routine is starting to exacting a toll on me.
___________________

Tonight I am rolling solo out again. I will be in my lockdowned club for the celebration of the 4th of July.
I hope there will be some american girls there to open up: I admit I don't know much about the 4th of July, so... I have an opener.

Happy 4th of July to all Americans writing on this board.


Capt. Joe Musashi
"Game" Spaceship Mk 1

Post: #21

"Take me away, a million miles away from here.."

TLDR: Well, I am becoming a anticockblocker and an antiwhite knight.

Yesterday night I went to the same old club I'm a regular in.

The night was really quiet: I had to talk with the owner on a matter related to my work and I talked with him for almost 2 hrs, so no big chances to approach.

The bartender was trying to chat up a couple of girls at bar, a 4 and a 7 (both around 25y old)
The bartender was engaging the 7 and looked at me a couple of times asking for support.

I went in and found the tipical "cockblocker girl" which had been described widely here. The 4 was trying to take the other girl away while she was chatting up the bartender.
I started talking to the three of them while ordering another drink.

The 7 was looking at me like "Thank you" while the 4 was murdering me with words everytime I said something funny or nice.
I just deflected each and every attack with politeness and a smile.

The 4 went out for a smoke and I followed her, feigning interest.
After 5 minutes, I used a variation of the "Roosh line" for cockblocking with her when we were alone.

The conversation went like this:

HER: We need to go to sleep
ME: Why?
HER: Because I want to sleep
ME: So you're sleeping toghether, eh? Interesting. Are you lesbian?
HER: Don't insult me!
ME: Ok, so why are you trying to take the other girl back with you while she's chatting up the bartender and she's clearly interested?
HER: Because...
ME: Haven't your parents taught you that you should not disturb people while they're speaking with each other? Haven't your parents taught you that you should generally be polite with people that are polite with you?
HER: You...
ME: No, there's no "you", there's "we". We were all talking and You insulted me twice down there and I'd been polite enough to turn it into a joke both times but I won't stand from a person that I don't even know things like this. Am I clear?
HER: You (various insults to me)
ME: Maybe it's better if you go to bed, you look really tired. And leave the other girl in peace, she's having fun with the bartender.

She went into the hostel to sleep and left the other girl at the bar.
I went in again into the club, that was almost empty (just 4-5 couples here and there and the bartender with the 7).
I said goodbye to the bartender and told the 7 that the 4 went to sleep.

I hope the best for the bartender and I will find out if he has done something with the 7 Yesterday night...
Whatever happens, I think I'll have some free drinks tonight

__________________________________________

I am going to have a shover and dress to go out again in around 45 minutes.
Again, I am feeling a bit wounded into my pride/Ego.
I feel a bit mentally tired of trying to keep every conversation that I strike with a girl up and keep the game up.. But I think it is normal until I have mastered it a bit more.

Thanks everyone for reading and I hope to bang something tonight. It's a 2 months dry spell so far and this is getting annoying.

JM

Post: #22

“It's hard to fight when the fight ain't fair.”

TLDR: Foul mood after breaking up a fight in a club with some people I brought with me.

Another saturday, another run.
I must say that I am feeling a little "wounded" by the continous "game" I must keep up all the times.
Before I was being careless on Facebook and on other social media, now I am restraining myself and using them just to contact girls to set up meetings and/or keep the text game up.
Some rejections or similar situation are hurting my pride a bit: I am starting to show some cracks in my mental armor.

On the other side, I'm forcing myself to interact with girls so I am refining my style, finding the best lines to use with them and I am getting the hang of the "tease" game (even if I find the mental energy I have to use to keep it up and don't let my beta-needy-ex-self-mentality take control is straining me).

Before reading this forum, I was mostly into club night game (drunk girls) and I used mostly my social circles to reach out to girls (I am a kind of person that inspires trust, I am Always smiling and laughing and I know how to keep people entertained).

Now I try the "cold approach" pickup in pubs/bars (especially in my favourite ones, where the places are in full lockdown for me). Before reading "Bang" and deciding to "play the game" I was not used to cold approach: now I am beginning to get the hang out of it, even if it needed at least 10-12 unsuccessful approaches and some hard-to-take rejections.

__________________________________

Anyway, let's get on "how-to-screw-a-night-for-dummies"...

Went to my usual club, pretty empty.
Nothing to approach here, chatted up the bartender who told me the place is going to close from Tomorrow (today) until september..
He was pretty sad, we toasted with a drink and.. Well, I had a brilliant idea.

The guy is in need of work (he is from Bulgaria, his italian is basic but he speaks a good english) else he will be forced to go back to Bulgaria for 1 month/1 month and half (until September). He's a good guy, hard working (he works during the night as a bartender and during the day he is working for a small multiservice company - the kind of company that sends people to clean offices and so on). He works 16h every day, he deserved my help.
And his Mojitos are awesome

I know the owner, he lives close to the place. So I went looking for him, he was having a coffee in the nearby bar before getting into the club.
Chatted him up and convinced that the "dead days" (Milan gets empty of Milanese people at around the 15th of July until late August) are still a week ahead and he should be keeping the place open until the 15th at least.

20 mins after, I received a message from the bartender.

"WTF you did?! This place is going to stay open until the 15th!? REALLY?"
"Yes, it is. I convinced F. to keep the place open"
"Come here now. Free drinks for you all night long"
"Oh, did F. tell you you're going to start working in his hostel on the 16th?"
"Ok, you're my hero."
"Bring some bulgarian girls for me next time"
"AHahahahhahahahahahahaah"

So, one good action. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
That was the +1 for the night.
I had a surprise waiting for me in a few hours, a REALLY nasty surprise.

So, the night was pretty dead, chatted up with some other regulars, had a couple of rounds at the pool table then I decided to leave at around 01.00.
While I was getting in my car, a guy from the hostel stops me and asks me directions to Corso Como, a nightlife center here in Milan.
He is with another guy and three girls (a 6 with probably indian origins, a 6 looking really american and a 5 with a not so nice body but a warming smile).

Both guys looked cool and nerdy, so I was feeling fine with them.
One was called Barack (yes, like Mr. Obama) while the other was Jack (probably of S.E. Asia origins).


"But, my dear, I live near Corso Como! I might use another drink before going to bed. I'll take you there"

Everyone was on my car in 30s and I just started one of my routines while driving to Corso Como.

ME: "Hey guys, you should lose weight! Looks like my car is full of bricks right now! No, girls, don't worry, I am talking about the two guys with you, you're perfectly fine as you are"
(giggling from the back seats)
Indian 6: "You know you're lying" (with giggling)
ME: "Nah, I'm not into too thin girls.. When I hug something, I love to hug a woman, not a skinny tree made of bones!"
(giggling)
American 6: "Oh, looks like we have a player here!"
ME: (looking at the guy on the front seat) "How does she knows that I have a STEAM account?"
Guy: "I was thinking I was the only one here having one!" (laughter)

A couple of minutes later I was parking my car close to Corso Como and we decided to try a few venues there.
I phoned my PR to ask him about the best place to go, he told me to go to a club that I personally dislike (15 euro entrance fee for girls and 20 for boys...).

The full was full, so we bounced to another venue close by with free entrance.

Inside, something happened.

I decided to be the good host, so bought a drink for everyone (including me) to play the "good host" game I was keeping up with all 5 person so far.

While I was at the bar, an italian guy walked up to Jack and hit him with a slap on the face, followed by a jab and another slap. The girls went away, the other guy went away too and I decided to come to the rescue.

I stopped the guy (Jack was already running outside the club) and told him to talk with me, right now.
He told me that the "asian guy" stole his watch from his wrist.

Now, I have to say that I was a bit amazed. I don't know if Jack really stole the watch of the guy or not.
I would have been surprised, since he had some pretty good clothing on (he did not seem to be really short on cash, he wanted to give me 20 euro just for bringing them there, money that I declined) and a good mobile phone (iPhone 5).
I am giving him the full benefit of doubt.

The guy was obviously high on something so the security intervened and took both me and him outside the club.
I confronted him with the security close to me by telling him that I knew the guy and well, if he really thought he stole his watch we should call the police immediatly. He backed off immediatly, seeing that he was going into serious trouble.

At the end, looks like that was just a reason for trying to pickup a fight (he was muscular and lean and looked really aggressive).
He got ejected from the club with his girlfriend, who told the security "Oh, did my boyfriend had a watch? I do not remember...". Fuck you bitch and your boyfriend.

But my mood was foul now.
From a perfect 3 vs 3 we were in a 2 vs 3 and I was really unhappy.
The 5 with a warming smile was looking at me still smiling, the other guy was picking up the american 6 and the indian 6 was in a mood probably fouler than mine.

I left the place 20 minutes after, with the 5 asking me to stay. I was really, really in a foul mood (I don't like fights and I don't like physically or verbally aggressive people) and left the guy with the 3 girls there.

Thinking about it this morning, I should have stayed. Probably the 5 was DTF after seeing me getting in a fight for a complete stranger (or better, breaking a fight for a complete stranger...) and was liking me but..
Yeah, I should have stayed. But I had lost the vibe for the night, I just wanted to go out and get back home.

_____________________

Thanks everyone for reading.
I apologize if I am a bit verbose but I am trying to put all my impressions on the diary.. (and also I apologize for my far-from-perfect english.. It's getting really rusty since I mostly use spoken english...).

Post: #23

Planning night.

- Monday: Planning Night & relaxing.

- Tuesday: PIPELINED! Girl that I met at the club.

- Wednesday evening: NO GAME night. Out having dinner with some Danish friends 200 km away from home. They're friends and they're a family with a 13y daughter, so no game.

- Thursday: Free after 20.00 (from 18.30 until 19.30 I will be with a real estate agent looking for a new lair )

- Friday: NO GAME night. Need to pickup some Russian friends from Malpensa and take them to Linate airport. A couple (they're both colleagues) with their child, so no game again (and they're friends and willing to host me in Moscow )

So, this week seems like I have only 2 nights free.

I seriously need to work more on planning dates with prospects and "friends" I have digged up from Facebook/Linkedin.

Thanks for reading,

JM

EDIT: Spelling.

EDIT 2
Talked via facebook to a girl who I met at the club. She's coming Tomorrow evening with me at the same club. So, tuesday saved.

Post: #24

"Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight" (Bob Marley)

TL;DR Date with a 6.5, she's pretty nice, I'll see her again with her friends on saturday

Tuesday night date went relatively well.
She was nice to me and I was .. "relatively nice to her".

I tried to build comfort with her: I was lucky enough to discover that we share commonalities (wooohoo!!!) and infer a few information on her from what she said.

So:

1) She ended up a relationship a few (2-3 months ago)
2) She lives in a shared flat with a Brazilian girl (who has a BF)
3) She works in the same city I live (woohoo!)
4) She's pretty friendly and open with strangers

I played the "score" game with her, using just a few things and letting her know I was keeping the score. She played along it well, even if she hidden her score on me.

I did not have the chance to escalate because the bartender was involved into the conversation with us(he had sex with a friend of her a few days ago) and she involved him whenever he was passing. He did not cockblock me at all, Always trying to get out of the conversation as soon as possible ("Sorry, I need to check the bar/prepare a drink").

I will see her again on saturday, she's going to the club with her friends (with the bartender's "temporary GF").

I haven't texted her from tuesday, I think I will send a funny text to her now (I told her I live near the underground station and that "I might be on the balcony looking at your train in the morning, sipping a cup of coffee and smoking a cigarette" with a smirk) and gauge her reaction.

Thank you for reading and I apologize for the really bad english but i am REALLY on an hurry. I must be at the club in like 30 mins with my dj set...

JM

Post: #25

I want to sit down and really read every post you've made to give you advice on a more detailed, useful level, but for now let me say this:

It's really impressive to see you taking this seriously and focusing so much energy on improving. I think you'll find that so much of what we do is really connected: game, fitness, health, success, reading, etc.

Just remember, the ultimate goal should be to improve yourself as a person. Find your weak spots and look to make positive changes. If gaming women is really important to you, let your side improvements work in tandem with it. You'll find that the better you look, the better you will feel, and the better you will approach. This will soon become cyclical.