Post: #1

Am posting on my 3 weeks off craziness in this city....pretty much nothing but pros and semi pros here....at least I the tourist areas...I have literally lost count of how many I banged now....when I first arrived I was totally against giving money and have met a few who didn't require it...but after a while I realized the only ones hot enough or worthy of banging mostly required money because were in such high demand.... my standards quickly shot up after the first week of being here...hit up pontoon and the after hours g club a lot.....very frequently... got to the point where I would see only one or two girls each night actually worth banging.....the rest were 5s and 6s at best....and 9 out of 10 times the only hot ones wanted money and a good bit of those required gaming as well....and let me tell you, the hot ones are especially viscous if you try not to pay or low ball.....had two of them on the phone with a screaming Cambodia guy asking for my room number to come get payback....

The girls who would agree to go home free all were not up to my looks standard s with the exception of 2 girls I met the entire trip....anyone bragging about banging free girls in pontoon is banging 6s at best....although ironically, the best looking girl I got and saw on a regular basis...wasn't a pay girl....quite strange actually... she refused tuk tuk money several times and money in general and was gasp....an actual good girl who had a decent job and always by far the hottest girl in pontoon when there. Not saying much on most nights there . But she is a legit mate 8...something very rate fir Cambodia in general......only one I met like this the entire time here...and she was in tears when seeing me take home a semi.pro one night...the other hot girl I was seeing for free was a freelancer at a girlie bar but didn't want money because she wanted a relationship with a guy she liked but also had other guys sending her money from overseas.... this made me stop hanging out with her despite her harrassing messages and stalking....

Also, these girls get it out for you easily.....if you bang them then bang others in the pontoon g pub scene they all get together and will conspire against you which is dangerous in a country like thus where is can be assassinated for less than $50 paid to a gunman.....I had multiple girls at different nights bad mouth ing me to the new girl I was with and girls I couldn't even reckognize or remember yelling at me and swearing.......in short....be careful here...your rep builds very quickly and watch out for the tuk tuk drivers hangi.g outside pontoon and anywhere fir that matter....had a large angry group surround me one night visibly looming for blood......I quickly darted away....they all will act like they want to be your friend.... bs....they want your money and/or see something bad happen to you....trust no one here....foreign ers are found dead here frequently and they rule it as suicide... the police are useless.... this place is gunslinger territory..... when the Shit hits the fan u better 've awfully fast on your feet......I have also been aggressively followed by angry looking younger males multiple times....had a random older lady crying tears telling me three tuk tuk drivers who tried befriending me were out for my blood.....fun place to let loose but most of the people including the women only see u as money and are strung out vicious people in general who have gone through had dships most of us will never have to experience.

Post: #2

Your words of caution, while warranted to a point, are a little exaggerated. I've been in this city for over 6 months (the country for perhaps over a year) now and have done anything but be cautious. I've buddied up with plenty of tuk tuk drivers and completely put myself at their mercy and walked down dark streets alone and drunker than shit more times than I can count. I've also taken plenty of liberties with the girls and pissed a lot of them off.

By the tone of this account, I should be dead or have been violently robbed multiple times.

I'm still alive and kicking.

You're right that the women at Pontoon are mostly out for money, but it's also repeatedly been named as the top hooker club in an area of the city known for hookers, so what can you expect? The place is probably 85%+ straight professionals, so of course that's the case.

Most of the women are indeed low quality there, looks-wise, but you get some lookers too, and in the quieter bar in the back, you even get moneyed people coming in mixed groups. I've most certainly banged some shabby girls (scratch that - make it a lot of shabby girls) from there but I've banged some damn decent ones too - they're not wall to wall but they do come and go. I don't recommend focusing on Pontoon, but it's one of those inevitable places you continually end up when you're an alcoholic foreigner.

Did you go to any decent, non-pro clubs while you were here? Nova and St Tropez are good and usually have quality middle and upper-class birds, especially the former. There's also a ton of clubs with no foreigners in them - quality can be pretty solid in the non-foreigner places but not really the best for gaming. You'll need patience, game, and either money or looks.

Quote:anyone bragging about banging free girls in pontoon is banging 6s at best....although ironically, the best looking girl I got and saw on a regular basis...wasn't a pay girl....quite strange actually... she refused tuk tuk money several times and money in general and was gasp....an actual good girl who had a decent job and always by far the hottest girl in pontoon when there. Not saying much on most nights there . But she is a legit mate 8...something very rate fir Cambodia in general......

It's always the guy who remarks how dudes he's never met must be pulling hookers that are 6s out of places like Pontoon, yet in his 3 weeks somehow managed to pull the one non-pro 8 out of there.



Forgive me if I think you might be giving this bird a bit too much credit. It's a hustler's job to be deceiving - that's how the hustle works.

I can't say anything for certain about a girl I've never met, but I will say this - any woman you see at Pontoon more than once over a 3-week period most certainly has some skeletons in her closet, especially if you see her there alone. Do you really think an "actual good girl" is risking her safety and reputation to spend her nights in a bar full of hookers, con-artists, and thieves?

When she is supposedly an 8 and could be dating some rich local guy or (even easier) a responsible foreigner who isn't out acting like, well, me?

Come on now...

8s have their pick of the litter. They don't spend their nights in the seediest place in town, and if they do, it's because they have ulterior motives.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #3

OP, I think that's the longest single sentence I've ever read.

Post: #4

The women definitely aren't as meek as they appear. They can really shit-test you and like all women, are looking for money.

Just saw the facebook page of one chick that owns her own bar in Phnom Penh, she is Khmer of course, and she is posting pics of her with some white guy, I assume they must be in a relationship or even engaged perhaps. I feel sad for such beta men, they go to some 3rd world country and of all the women they fall for, they fall for a bar slut, who is of course "reformed". If you want to get a girlfriend or wife, you don't fucking marry a girl you met in a bar or even worse, a prostitute (is there any difference between the two in SE Asia, a prostitute or a bar girl?).

And yes, you are entirely right. Most women there are 5s or 6s at best. The 9s and 10s expect you to pay them at least a 100 dollars, and that is just for short time. How to meet normal, non prostitute women? Well you won't find normal women in a bar because SE Asia is actually a very conservative place, the normal women wouldn't be caught dead in a bar because they are very concerned with their public image and reputation.

Post: #5

Glad you haven't encountered trouble....and I was the same under the same illusion as you about the safety until two separate incidents of near big time trouble.....and the tuk tuk drivers are all cracked out on yabba or meth.... Would you put yourself at a crackheads mercy in your home country or anywhere? No, ofcouurse not ..then why do so in Cambodia where killung one of us is akin to going out and killing a wild animal at home...you will get a gun pulled on you or worse... if you continue to put yourself at their mercy....it happens to a lot of foreign ers here......more than you think....as far as the girl goes........she stands out big time....her personality and looks....you can smell the con artist in all of them ..not her.....and I have no intention of staying here and dating her....but I was impressed with her as a person...and everywhere we went in public, Khmer guys would be tripping over their feet trying to talk to her and cock block me....all the other spanks I took out were treated with a mild contempt or utter insignificant ce by the local guys I noticed.

Post: #6

Mixed feeling about OPs view of the city, all the girls in pontoon are not in the same group.....
They are often in competition with each other for white cock.
Cambodian people are far from vicious and aremore on the mellow super friendly side.
I have multiple tuktuk friends all over phnom phen and we drink beers almost everyday and im often invited to hang out in there houses for bbqs.

For newbies to phnom phen dont attract attention to yourself by flashing money or acting rich, Never ever take photos of girls , and steer cleer of the bg scene if possible as these girls are greedy and hungry for your greenbacks and are rife with disease you have a deathwish to go in raw in phnom phen or even using the with local condoms is risky, also becareful of traffic in phnom phen as I saw a chick die on monivong blvd in a accident.

Foreigners are not popping up dead on every corner this is a lie as ive seen a foreigner provoke 10 tuktuks yelling and abusing them in a drunken frenzy and they just acted cool and let him lose face infront of everyone and made him look like a drunk retard with out violence.

Cambodians are some of the sweetest people you will ever meet they will give you a chance but if you goto phnom phen with the i am superior american attitude .and look down on whores and tuktuks and disrespect people left right and centre you will be in a world of shit.

Post: #7

(06-17-2014 08:16 AM)kentucker4 Wrote:  in short....be careful here...your rep builds very quickly and watch out for the tuk tuk drivers hangi.g outside pontoon and anywhere fir that matter....had a large angry group surround me one night visibly looming for blood......I quickly darted away....they all will act like they want to be your friend.... bs....they want your money and/or see something bad happen to you....trust no one here....foreign ers are found dead here frequently and they rule it as suicide... the police are useless.... this place is gunslinger territory.....

I have lived in Cambodia two or three times before. It's not that dangerous. You seem to bring the trouble on yourself by your actions. What do you expect if you consistently hang out at hooker bars in the capital of a third-world country where hookers, douchebag tuk-tuk drivers and other dregs of society congregate to prey on rich foreigners?

(06-17-2014 03:32 PM)mandatoryhoes Wrote:  Cambodians are some of the sweetest people you will ever meet they will give you a chance but if you goto phnom phen with the i am superior american attitude .and look down on whores and tuktuks and disrespect people left right and centre you will be in a world of shit.

sweetest my ass. The girls are so conservative it is literally impossible to get laid without marriage in this country and if you do get laid, it's a 95% chance she's a bar girl or a semi-pro. For a woman to be seen even touching hands with a man she is not married to in public is basically a guarantee noone will marry her. Normal girls will freak out and run off if you try to make a move (hand-touching/kissing) even if they really dig you. One girl wanted to bring her father to our first date and put him on the phone to arrange the details of where to meet. I told him to f*ck off.

The people in general are some of the most hateful and xenophobic people I have ever encountered in the world. If you conform to their Middle Age customs and do not try to get laid they seem to be friendly. Most of them also seem to not care when they see foreigners talking with ugly-ass hookers. But the second you are talking to a young normal hottie they go nuts cockblocking you, trying to "save her chastity" from the evil foreigner. And the girls always feel the hateful stares from the men, no matter where you are or if anyone knows them in that part of the city and it doesn't help when you are trying to game them.

There is a guy that runs a whole blog devoted to the douche-baggery of Cambodians. Google "cambodians are extremely rude towards tourists" and read the first result. Here is a small part of that big article:

Quote:If you make a local friend of opposite sex with whom you will go somewhere, hostile Cambodians will continue making extremely rude remarks both at you and at her (or him, if you’re a girl with a local male). Then you will know clearly how rude they really are because your companion will be targeted as well and they will tell you what remarks were used.

Of course, rudeness of Cambodians doesn’t end there. You will be stared down on every step of your stay in Cambodia. The more dangerous an individual, the more they will stare you down, laugh at you in front of your face and otherwise look for (provoke) trouble. Cambodians do not care about being friendly. They are only falsely friendly when there is a chance to easily make money off of you. Discrimination in Cambodia is prevalent and the locals will do anything to make you feel out of place. As sad as it is, it’s time that someone called a spade a spade.

There is a reason why Thailand is an economic success with extremely developed infrastructure and Cambodia is still in the Middle Ages. To me, it represents how friendly/unfriendly local people are to people in general, to foreigners, and consequently to foreign business. Who in their right mind would want to invest a dollar in a country where everyone from a tuk-tuk driver to government officials stare you down and give you hateful looks when you can just cross the border and be in The Land of Smiles (Thailand), where the food is good, women are allowed by their culture to date, people smile at foreigners, and local men are so chill they couldn't care less when they see you with Thai hotties?

Post: #8

Mandatory.... a very naive view of Cambodia... I have really enjoyed my time here...but to say Cambodian s are super sweet and mellow is like saying a lion is cute and cuddly just because he hasn't bitten you yet. And those same good buddy tuk tuk drivers of yours will be happy to help sell you an underaged child I'm sure. Personally, I detest all tuk tuk drivers....... to say you are friends with them means you are a super naive traveler.And I get stared down frequently by angry looking guys ....two of them tried to quickly close in on me as I exited a deserted restaurant open sitting area in broad day light one day in a busy market area.... I literally had to run out of there... and I saw a girl dragged by her hair and beaten to a bloody pulp by some cambo guys around 11:30 in the morni.g one day in sorya mall....

And 99 percent of the girls in pontoon are whores plain and simple. Besides the fat white backpacker chicks who can be found there as well ofcourse.

Post: #9

(06-17-2014 02:51 PM)kentucker4 Wrote:  ...and everywhere we went in public, Khmer guys would be tripping over their feet trying to talk to her and cock block me....

Welcome to Asia. This is the unfortunate reality of most asian men, they think they OWN the women of their own race and get extremely envious if they see a western man with one of their own women.

As for the poster claiming that Cambodians are unfriendly, that is really not true. If you want to see what an unfriendly, racist group of people look like, go to India. Cambodia is a fucking walk in the park compared to India.

Post: #10

Kentucker.... seems you have become a little cynical of the cambodians.and to say its gun slinger territory is a load of BS as ive nver seen a gun pulled in 6 years of living in cambodia on and off .
The tuktuk drivers have taken me to hospital when I was sick from food poisoning and didnt ask a dime, ive known a group of tuktuks for over 5 years over probably consumed over 1000 beers in the back of tuktuks with no dramas .
Ive even passed out in tuktuks with hundreds on me and nobody touched me.

Theres 2 sides to every story and its safe too say some people will have a great time In P.P and others will attract dramas.
The trick with cambodians is everying is judged at face value so a smile goes a long way and to look happy so then people wont wont to ruin your happy.

Was backed into a corner by 2 moto riders at the front of pontoon they went straight for my pockets and bit of money fell to the floor I just smiled picked it up and offered it to them they saw I didnt show agression or fear , refused the money and left me alone .

I have picked up rich thai /cambo girls in pontoon been shouted jack cokes all night then taken to there hotels where they have showed off handbags with thousands of dollars inside no BS.

Post: #11

I always smile and am very easy going with them...not cynical... I just see things for what they are. ...if you want to see nice locals try somewhere Like Taiwan where they could care less about getting your money abd aren't that xenophobic.

Post: #12

Well, this thread is clearly destined to be a cesspool of trolling, truisms, overexaggeration, and negativity. Small wonder I rarely bother making friends with foreigners in Southeast Asia...

Anyone else coming to Cambodia, do yourself a favor and don't spend three weeks doing nothing but hanging out in Pontoon and the surrounding blocks if you want to see Cambodia. Or, if you do hang out there, be honest with yourself about what to expect and don't spend your time running away from every couple Cambodia guys that look at you a little too long.

Obviously this part of the world requires a bit of street smarts, so use your head, but don't think you have to walk around in fear the entire time. And if you have anything resembling social skills and the balls to put yourself out there, you can spend your time here being driven around by new friends in nice brand new vehicles getting treated to drinks all night just as easily as you can spend time tossing back beers with tuk tuk drivers.

Yes the non-pro girls are pretty conservative, as I've mentioned many times on the forum but they're not impossible, especially the ones with a bit of money. Many are becoming more well-traveled, and there are certain clubs you can go to where wealthy women go to meet foreigners. No pay for play.

This is an entire country we're talking about here, and the beforementioned is just one "subculture" where dating local women with no strings attached is possible. It's not the best place for playing the field, but that doesn't mean it can't be done either.

As for hyping Thailand over Cambo as if none of these same "realities" exist, go over to thaivisa and you can read thousands upon thousands of posts with the same exact content and tone being made about that country. Nothing ever changes in this part of the world, it seems, and that includes the foreigners who visit and the stories they tell when they leave.

I'll leave you guys to your thread though. Knock yourselves out.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #13

(06-17-2014 10:10 PM)kentucker4 Wrote:  I always smile and am very easy going with them...not cynical... I just see things for what they are. ...if you want to see nice locals try somewhere Like Taiwan where they could care less about getting your money abd aren't that xenophobic.

taiwanese are quite xenophobic. They may be more polite than some other Asian nations but I would rate their women second most difficult after Korean women in Asia. They in general would not meet anyone outside their social circle, no matter whether it be a local or a foreigner. Most hotties marry their first boyfriend they've dated since middle high and good luck getting into that spot. Taiwanese men, especially older ones also make me quite uncomfortable constantly staring me down all day long unlike some neighboring countries. There is a reason Winston Wu has a whole website devoted to how much he hates Taiwan women lol.

Post: #14

Winston Wu is a fat ugly bitter guy who is used to third world country women who will bang anything that walks with money...have you seen his pictures? Of course he can't get an attractive Taiwanese girl....they dint tend to fall for over weight guys in general... much less overweight guys who look like that...you can have all the game in the world and it wouldn't matter if you are THAT physically unattractive....unless you are in Cambodia, Thailand or the Phillipines of course.

Taiwanese older people are friendly for the most part... of course there is a little xenophobia here and there... but nothing like Cambodia or Korea for that matter. I study kungfu in Taiwan and every one has welcomed me with open arms in my classes ...constantly inviting me to their homes for tea or wine.

And guys, I really do like Cambodia.. it's raw and in your face...and I traveled many places here...not just Phnom Penh abd Pontoon lol...though I did spend various nights out around there...I'm just not going to sit here and paint a bs flowery picture of the place and say it's safe for foreigners... anyone who says it isn't dangerous is flat out living in fairy tale land and/or lying to themselves.

Post: #15

(06-17-2014 11:57 PM)kentucker4 Wrote:  Winston Wu is a fat ugly bitter guy who is used to third world country women who will bang anything that walks with money...have you seen his pictures?

It doesn't really matter how a guy looks if he's well-traveled and can make a comparison between the nations he's been to in terms of women's approachability. If anything, it's a benefit that he is an average-looking dude. We don't want some model-looking type or a natural telling us he is walking on air somewhere only to trust his advice, go there and find out the hard way that his experience only represented his good looks or his good personality.

He's at least been to the US, to Thailand and the Philippines, as far as I remember him mentioning. Probably been to other countries as well. It might suck for us to admit since we may be stuck living here for a while but the point that's been confirmed by other players is that Taiwan is not the best place to be for gaming compared to other countries around. The hotter women here (at least in the capital) are about as bad as New York to try to pull.

Post: #16

Looks don't matter??? Sure if you are satisfied with third world skanks looking for a sugar daddy. I want some of what you are smoking.... In non third world countries, looks are extremely important... especially Taiwan where they socially reject fat people such as Winston.....being thin and in shape is extremely important for gaming women in Taiwan... none of are attracted to fat guys or even slightly overweight ones.... game can not get past this just like a fat girls game won't get past us.

A good looking in shape guy will get approached several times by good looking girls in a lot of the clubs in Taipei... looks and body composition go a very long way there.... of course Winston would have a negative experience... Taiwanese girls are very very shallow and fat people are shunned in general there...it's a culture thing...don't believe me...go clubbing with a decent looking guy one night and watch him get approached multiple times.

I lived there for two years and was approached regularly at clubs when fit and in shape and the ONS was fairly easy... Plus got a lot of attention in general from the ladies..... but after gaining 30 pounds over the course of a year, though... completely different story.....had a very difficult time pulling ONS or even dancing/ make out despite doing a lot of approaching. Body weight is so important over there... abd what we consider to be slightly overweight is considered to be obese by them. I will even go as far to say that gaming is much easier in the state's than Taiwan IF you are overweight in the slightest.... if thin and decent looking...completely different story. Winston just needs to hit the gym if he wants to game in places like Taiwan...

Eveen as unattractive as his face is, a chiseled physique would get him 10 times the success he has experienced thus far.

And New York is not difficult man...that place is paradise fir women as far as the state's go.

Post: #17

(06-17-2014 11:09 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Small wonder I rarely bother making friends with foreigners in Southeast Asia...

You sound exactly like me. I came to Asia to get away from the American bullshit, not to wallow in it.

All you guys talking shit about Cambodians, you have to understand that they are very simple people. I've never had any problem with them at all and it's because when I am talking to them I always remain calm and cool and try to maintain a playful mood. People in SE Asia are very light-hearted, and that is a good quality.

You guys have to learn to read the people around you. Imitate their moods and attitudes and mannerisms and you'll have no problem with them. But if you come with this arrogant American attitude, well no shit, no one likes an arrogant american attitude. Learn some humility and you'll do very well in SE Asia.

Post: #18

I was anything but arrogant.... very polite.. overly so and always smiling...still doesn't change the fact these are extremely desperate people who see you as nothing more than a dollar sign and no one would give two craps if they saw you getting gunned downed...you are a barang meaning you will NEVER be considered one of them or on their level.....it's always funny to see naive travelers believe they are completely at one with the locals...it's like a white guy in the south thinking he is one of the brothers in a group of black guys. I can say I did experience some genuine kindness in Cambodia....but that doesn't brainwash me either to reality.

Post: #19

(06-18-2014 02:13 AM)kentucker4 Wrote:  it's always funny to see naive travelers believe they are completely at one with the locals

No, what's funny and naive is a guy thinking he knows more about a place than everyone else after spending 3 weeks there.

Especially when all his horror stories (suspicious ones, given that people are always trying to attack him for some reason) take place at Pontoon and Sorya Mall, which happen to be right next door to each other and are the two sleaziest spots in town.

And then claims he met a non-pro 8 at the place where he insists everyone else is getting a pro 6 if they're lucky.

I smell a

For the record, no one is denying Cambodia can be dangerous and sleazy. But there's a lot more to see and experience than that.

If a well-repped member would like to see that other side next time they're in town, feel free to hit me up.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #20

(06-18-2014 02:55 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  If a well-repped member would like to see that other side next time they're in town, feel free to hit me up.

If you're still around in January I might have to take you up on that.

Post: #21

(06-18-2014 04:00 AM)draguer Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:55 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  If a well-repped member would like to see that other side next time they're in town, feel free to hit me up.

If you're still around in January I might have to take you up on that.

January is a damn long away for someone so horrible at planning as I am (I struggle to plan for next week). Thailand, Philippines, and Vietnam are all calling my name.

But I'm just as likely to let another year coast by as leave. So, if I'm still here, most certainly do.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling