Post: #1

There are loads of great indirect daygame openers posted on this forum but they are posted rather haphazardly and you have to scour through several threads to find the good posts. The few threads about openers that do exist mainly discuss direct openers which I'm not a fan of so I've decided to make a thread solely dedicated to Indirect Openers.

Please don't say that openers don't really matter and please don't post something advising me to just say "hi" because from my experience that does not disarm bitch shields very well. And I usually get that 'what-the-fuck-are-you-talking-to-me-for' look from women when I open with "hi" so let's just not go there mmkay.

My go-to indirect opener involves using my shitty phone as a prop and using the terrible spelling skills of the young women today to my advantage.

Here's how I do it

I begin by fiddling around with my phone, as is the norm for most people my age, and then I walk up nonchalantly to my target on the street or I just walk slowly enough to allow her to catch up with me if she's coming from behind me and then I unleash this routine:

Me: Hey....can you help me out with something?

Her: Uhm....

Me: Can you spell?

Her: .....yeah [with a confused or perhaps even disinterested look]

Me: Great....how do you spell 'unconscious'? [i say this while moving in closer to her and showing her some fake message on my phone that I'm apparently trying to send]

Next. She tries to spell the word but chances are (from my experience) that she'll fail or she won't be absolutely confident with her spelling even if she does get it right. My response is:

Me: Huh?? [looking confused as fuck] I'm sooooo lost right now, why don't you type it for me. [as i hand her my phone]

Her: hahaha okay [ she takes the phone, I move in closer towards her and put my hand on her waist/back as I lean in to get a good view of her typing ]

after this the Opening phase is officially over. Next I ramble a bit (ask what her name is, where she's from, where she's going, why she's so bad at spelling e.t.c) and then I go for the number close or push the interaction as far as I can.

And that's about it.

Your turn. Go ahead and post your own original 'elderly' daygame openers on this thread

Do not post your direct openers her however good they may be and please don't direct me to Roosh or Krauser's work. Just post your original shit for whatever daygame scenario here.

Post: #2

I've said this one on another thread but its most convenient in a university or college campus but I see it working in any public venue.

I use a variation of "Do you get Wi-Fi around here?" (looking at my phone with a confused expression)

Then I just rant about my phone being cheap or how it doesnt work. After that you know the drill.

Post: #3

Ask a girl if she can make change for you. Maybe you have to do laundry or something. "Excuse me do you have 4 quarters?" Girls always have change in their purse.

Walk around downtown confused and ask a cute girl a good place to grab a quick bite. Make it personal, like "okay say you were starving and you wanting to grab lunch somewhere around town. What would be your go-to? And don't say something lame like dunkin donuts or panera bread. Give me something unique!" May be able to segway into an insta-date. "Sounds awesome. Wanna join/shown me where it is?"

Even better, ask a girl if she has some Tylenol or ibuprofen floating around in their purse. Most girls are walking pharmacies anyway (use that exact line "I know a lot of girls purse are like mini pharmacies" whatever.) You can parlay that into an explanation why you have a headache. Think of something interesting and/or ridiculous "been reading harry potter fan fiction all day on my cell phone screen and its given me a headache"

^ill be honest I've never tried that but I feel like that be a decent idea, though the "can you make change" approach I've done and got a number (she flaked but that's besides the point)

Post: #4

I've gotten two numbers in the past week with this one....usually when she's sitting down in a coffee shop texting/reading/ just sitting there....

walk by....looking at the phone she's fucking with or the one that's sitting on the table and say : Excuse me...is that the new iphone? ( new Samsung G4...whatever it is). Her response...then you say "I've been thinking about those...I heard the cameras were really good." Her response...." do you like it?".....her response...You: Cool...I like mine okay ( hold it up ) but I'm taking a long trip next month and want the best camera....how is the iphone camera? Her response......

You get the picture...then you can drop bait about the trip you're taking or if that's her regular coffee shop as it is yours too since your job is close to it. ( what job? hopefully she will ask )

Also...works good for "excuse me....is that a good laptop?" Then, talk about how you're wanting a second laptop to keep your personal project you've been working on separate from your current laptop with all your work stuff on it.

Obviously, this are elderly openers coming from Roosh's Day Bang.....but , these versions have been working with opening and getting a few numbers lately.

Post: #5

Quote:Her: hahaha okay [ she takes the phone, I move in closer towards her and put my hand on her waist/back

Wow, that's ballsy. The first touch that I make is always the forearm. Maybe I need to be more aggressive, but this idea is still a bit alien to me. Have you ever gotten a bad reaction from it?

Post: #6

A few examples. Notice that all my openers are indirect "Situational Observations"..

Quote:I saw a cutie sitting by herself at the bus stop looking in her mirror and playing with her eyebrows. I walk up, sit down next to her and open immediately...

me: is this the bus stop or the beauty shop?
her: ha both
me: you got a date or something?
her: no just checking my lashes
me: i think they look ok
her: thanks
me: what are you doing right now? going home?
her: ya
me: wanna take me home and use me as your teddy bear?

Quote:I was at the market, I saw a gorgeous little Beyonce type, mixed black/white, maybe 18/19. She was struggling to tear off one of those plastic bags that you put fruit into...

me: how do you work these stupid things
her: i don't know
me: let me try

I tore off one of the bags

her: thank, i guess im not very athletic
me: i guess not

Quote:Early morning about 8am, I was getting on the train going to work, I see a cute Asian walking behind me...

me: how do i pay for parking?
her: at the ticker machine
me: oh (pretending to be confused)
her: we are walking the same way so i will show you
me: ok great thanks
her: you walk fast like me
me: i don't like to waste time
her: ya i don't have any to waste
me: me nether

Quote:The next day, the same train, 2 college aged girls sit next to me carrying big travel bags, I make some pretty good eye contact with one of them...

me: are you going on vacation?
her: hehe, no, we just got here
me: from where?
her: LA, we are here for college
me: what school?
her: cal state
me: you just got off the airplane?
her: ya we have been traveling all morning
me: damn thats crazy
her: we have freshman orientation right now
me: wow, well, welcome to the bay area
her: thanks we love it here

Quote:Walking thru a college campus, I saw a girl wearing some tight pants with little openings along the outer thigh, very sexy, young latina..

me: nice pants, those are hot
girl: oh, thanks
me: those make me wanna have a drink and go dancing or something
girl: haha
me: you must not be from around here?
girl: I'm from LA
me: I could tell, girls around here don't know how to dress
her: I noticed that
me: how long you been up here?
her: blah,blah, blah
me: U smoke? (weed)
her: sometimes
me: blah, blah, blah

Quote:Walking down the street, see a girl with a cool bag..

Me: Cool bag, is that from Peru?
Her: Hah, it looks like that doesn't it? But I got it in Alabama
Me: What? Alabama?! I was thinking more like South America or something

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Post: #7

One I used to do when people still walked around with paper books is I would find a moderately difficult word in the book I was reading, then walk up to a girl in the general vicinity, point to it, and ask her what it meant. That question always disarmed them and opened into a friendly conversation. The problem now is that most e-readers have dictionary links so I haven't figured out how to use this opener anymore.

Post: #8

Keep using it. It gives you an excuse to ramble about the advantages of paper books over e-readers, the pleasure of browsing for books at a used bookstore, etc. I always have a book on me during the day, and I think it makes me stand out from the people who don't bother with them anymore. Plus it's a great insta-date: "Oh you should see this old bookstore down the street." The best used bookstores have really narrow aisles, so you almost have to make physical contact.

(06-11-2014 06:39 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  One I used to do when people still walked around with paper books is I would find a moderately difficult word in the book I was reading, then walk up to a girl in the general vicinity, point to it, and ask her what it meant. That question always disarmed them and opened into a friendly conversation. The problem now is that most e-readers have dictionary links so I haven't figured out how to use this opener anymore.

Post: #9

I only used this one once, but I got the number and banged a week later. Probably helps if you have some interesting pocket-sized shit you can carry around.

"Hey excuse me but do you have any [whatever you think she might have]. I need it for a scavenger hunt."

When I used this, I happened to have a couple of well, small but priceless archaeological artifacts in my possession, which I was able to display to her, claiming that they were on my list. Of course I hinted at the (fictitious) adventures by which I obtained these items, and after that I think the cat was in the bag.

Key points: 1. Scavenger hunts are fun, social activities, so you prove yourself to be a fun, social guy. 2. You can drop bait left and right about how you came by whatever props you're using. 3. Insta-date: "Hey, come help me find the next thing on my list."

Post: #10

I am yet to be called out directly or verbally for this but I expect it to happen one day. Sometimes a girl will just look at me like she's really weirded out and my reaction is to move my hand up to a less sinister position on her back or remove it completely depending on how freaked out or uncomfortable she looks.

I'll be standing and leaning in so close that putting my hand on her waist/back just seems to be a natural and harmless thing to do. And my motive is seemingly innocent: all I want to do is get a good view of what she's doing on MY phone. Try it out.

Post: #11

If you want to be really good at opening in general then forget scripted shit and learn..

- noticing things about the girl or circumstances or situation
- improvising on that
- leading the conversation

You can even practice it alone. Pick something or some situation in your mind [for example, her red dress or girl dropping something] and start talking about it to yourself just like you would to a girl. I used to do it while driving a car, I noticed something or someone on the street and started rambling about to myself. Gio posted good examples.

Drop crutches and be free.

Post: #12

I had this small sudoku book with me today and used it as an successful opener on a bus stop. I even got approached by an old lady about the book on another bus stop. The approach went something like this:

Me: "Excuse me, could you help me with my sudoku? I cannot seem to continue this."
Girl: "Sorry, I don't really know how to do sudoku."
Me: "That's okay. It's really easy. Would you like to learn?"
Girl: "Sure, I'd love to."

And so on. I even made it an instant date, since our bus was late.

Post: #13

(06-11-2014 12:55 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Ask a girl if she can make change for you. Maybe you have to do laundry or something. "Excuse me do you have 4 quarters?" Girls always have change in their purse.

I used this at the bank. Needed quarters for laundry. So I just walked upto my bank (very close by). Sauntered in. Filled out the ridiculous withdrawal form requesting $10. Then went up to the cutest teller.
She gave surprised/awkward smile after looking at the amount. "Sir you could probably ..." I cut her short apologetically and say its for laundry ... big load waiting. blah blah. I could tell she's amused and maybe interested.

I get back home and my luck two of the quarters turn out Canadian and jam the darn washer. On monday morning on my way out I thought it would be funny to return the 2 canadian quarters. The same girl was there and she couldn't believe it. Blamed all around saying these coins came straight from the treasury. Apologized. Two other cute tellers joined in. It was fun. Backed out of getting digits.

Couple of weeks later crossed the same teller on the streets, chatted and she readily offered her number and even suggested a nerby coffee shop.

Post: #14

Would this line work, in the middle of conversation after indirect opener?

"hey you're actually (kinda) cute." continue convo or say want to grab drinks sometime? - like you're just noticing it.

Post: #15

(06-13-2014 06:32 AM)Blackliter Wrote:  Would this line work, in the middle of conversation after indirect opener?

"hey you're actually (kinda) cute." continue convo or say want to grab drinks sometime? - like you're just noticing it.

What do you mean by asking if it's gonna "work"? What do you think one random line will accomplish?

You can tell her she looks this or that as if it's just some next random thing you spontaneously say.

It's like "...blablablabablabla I want to go see that summer festival where xyz band plays, [she's talking], sorry I didn't hear you, I drowned in your eyes for a second, you have the type of eyes that are very distracting so it can happen again a few times, just saying, anyway, where were we? ok i know, blablalbalblablasblabla...."

or..

"...blablablabablabla I want to go see that summer festival where xyz band plays [she's talking], time, [you make the gesture with your hands that coaches do] i gotta tell you something, you probably know but that you're in absolutely fantastic shape today you know that? share the secret with me, I promise I won't tell anyone, or actually no, I WILL share it, I will teach girls how to look just like you, some of them need that actually, just saying, anyway, where were we? ok i know, blablalbalblablasblabla...."

Just say it casually like it's another thought that just popped in your head. No biggie

Post: #16

Tried and tested this one a few times :"excuse me, I'm cracking my head trynna figure out where you're from."

"I'm a local" -- oh, wow I couldn't tell. You don't look like one though, are one of your parents a foreigner?

Banter from there.

"Oh I'm from korea" -- cool, are youy visitng or dyou stay here? Transition from there.

Post: #17

For my time in Europe during daygame I was always using "Do you know where the Apple Store is here?" I would go on to mention how I've been walking around trying to find it and ramble about how I needed to replace my laptop cause I fried it trying to charge it, since the voltage was different between here and "back home."

It would work, but not as often as I had hoped for or expected. Next time I do daygame, I'll start adding a personal observation (something like "It's interesting that you speak English so well" so that I can get a better chance at rambling until I can do bait drops.

Live and learn

HSLD

Post: #18

How about do you know where *name of hotel is? Insta date back to your place "I have wine"

Post: #19

(06-11-2014 12:39 PM)OMYG Wrote:  I've said this one on another thread but its most convenient in a university or college campus but I see it working in any public venue.

I use a variation of "Do you get Wi-Fi around here?" (looking at my phone with a confused expression)

Then I just rant about my phone being cheap or how it doesnt work. After that you know the drill.

great opener