Post: #26

(06-09-2014 04:48 PM)Ping Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 05:40 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  I've been fasting for 18-24 Hours 1x a week for about a year and it's gold! It gives you that ripped look that looks so natural. At the same time it just does something that improves your metabolism.

No water as well or is that cool?
Have you tried even longer fasting periods or more frequent, if so, what kind of results did that bring?

You should drink water during a fast.
Some people drink warm water with lemon or green tea.

An alternative is a juice fast.
Check out the documentary: Fat Sick and Nearly Dead.

Post: #27

(06-09-2014 06:21 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 05:40 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  I've been fasting for 18-24 Hours 1x a week for about a year and it's gold! It gives you that ripped look that looks so natural. At the same time it just does something that improves your metabolism.

Is it true when we fast, the body starts metabolising muscle?

As a tall ectomorph, the threat of muscle loss is ever there.

It is a common, well popular fitness myth that we need to feed ourselves every 3-5 hour to avoid muscle breakdown. The human body can do up to 72 Hours without breaking down your glucose aka the carbs of your muscle.

It is never recommended to go that long without food, but it is possible. Keep In mind that Intermitten Fasting is simply to minimise your eating window, and not your daily caloric intake. Accurate intermittent fasting with the proper macro will improve your metabolism since it will improve your blood sugar level and the overall health of your muscle.

I only fast for 24 Hours when I'm looking to increase the fat burning, otherwise I just stick to a feeding window of 12 Hours with 12 Hours of no food intake, water only. I used to be a stocky 240 lbs guy and on Intermittent Fasting I've easily maintained a more chiseled look at 210 lbs. Even as a ectomorph you won't have to worry about muscle loss as long as your carbs are manly complex, protein sufficient and eating window accurate for your body type.

Post: #28

Gh were you able to maintain/gain strength while losing that 30 lb. ?

Post: #29

There's also certain foods you can eat that will help clear out your bowels and help ease your digestive system, like brown or red rice.



I started eating brown rice once a day and it has really helped improve my digestion.

Post: #30

(06-09-2014 01:42 PM)Spede Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 05:38 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  By the way, what is this shit?:

Quote:Chris Mason, Professor of Regenerative Medicine at UCL, said: “There is some interesting data here. It sees that fasting reduces the number and size of cells and then re-feeding at 72 hours saw a rebound.

“That could be potentially useful because that is not such a long time that it would be terribly harmful to someone with cancer.
“But I think the most sensible way forward would be to synthesize this effect with drugs. I am not sure fasting is the best idea. People are better eating on a regular basis.”

So he refuses the findings of an actualy study by throwing a truism at it and not at least quoting some of his own evidence to the contrary?

I hope this is just a snapshot of what he actually said because if not what a sloppy fucking argument.

Read again the paragraph you quoted. He never refused the findings.

Yeah, I suppose you're right that he didn't refute them, even if the author of the article tried to frame it that way, but he still insisted on claiming it's better to eat - without backing it up. It seems like he's trying to dilute the findings and imply he knows better, and that's fine, but in that context, he should at least explain his claim.

I just hate it when new research comes out and some other scientist speaks up and says, "Well, that's interesting, but we already know such and such, so you better stick with the general consensus." Or they say, "Nah, that's total bullshit because it doesn't vibe with what society already knows." To me that's lazy, in-the-box thinking, especially given how much of our science proves to be wrong or severely incomplete.

A better approach would be to to look at it and say, "This is interesting. It needs more research, obviously, but this might change the game on some things we already think we know if it is true."

The author of this particular article also tried to make it seem like more of an objection than it was. There was more to the quote I saw elsewhere, and he did seem more supportive.

(06-09-2014 04:48 PM)Ping Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 05:40 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  I've been fasting for 18-24 Hours 1x a week for about a year and it's gold! It gives you that ripped look that looks so natural. At the same time it just does something that improves your metabolism.

No water as well or is that cool?
Have you tried even longer fasting periods or more frequent, if so, what kind of results did that bring?

Don't ever stop drinking water while fasting. Prone to hurt yourself.

(06-09-2014 10:28 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  It is a common, well popular fitness myth that we need to feed ourselves every 3-5 hour to avoid muscle breakdown. The human body can do up to 72 Hours without breaking down your glucose aka the carbs of your muscle.

It is never recommended to go that long without food, but it is possible.

So you're not buying the study then?

Quote:I only fast for 24 Hours when I'm looking to increase the fat burning, otherwise I just stick to a feeding window of 12 Hours with 12 Hours of no food intake, water only. I used to be a stocky 240 lbs guy and on Intermittent Fasting I've easily maintained a more chiseled look at 210 lbs.

Nice. How tall are you?

Intermittent fasting seems great for maintaining good health and physique - if these findings are true, though, it seems to indicate that something more extreme is needed from time to time (every 3 to 6 months) for the desired immune system results.

To the fasters, what are your thoughts on working your way back into eating at the end of a multi-day fast. Obviously, you don't want to instantly gorge yourself, but some people seem to be pretty rigid on only drinking juice the first day - or veggies and fruits. Then fish and veggies and fruits the second. And so on.

Overkill? Thoughts?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #31

Interesting, I have always naturally fasted when I felt sick and run down. Lots of water, rest and flush everything out.

Does anyone want to drop a full fasting datasheet or link some good info? Thanks

Post: #32

^ Would be especially interesting to get info on fasting instructions from ancient cultures.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #33

(06-09-2014 08:40 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 08:37 AM)Mage Wrote:  I enter the animalistic reality where mating happens trough body language, exchanges of eye contact, touches and body aroma. Words are of little meaning in this dimension and a completely silent pickup is achievable.

A completely silent pickup? While sober?

You better just go ahead and tell this story.

There is nothing to tell really, see a girl in party hosted by a friend, the girl obviously sees me as a high status guy connected to host (but it's not like i was his best buddy just a respected acquaintance), dominating body language, drag the girl to dance floor, dance in close contact, let her go, dance with another girls, return to the previous girl when she is drinking in corner thinking she has lost your interest, take the emptied glass from her hands and give it to some beta, take her to a little more dance, take her later to a vacant room. That's all. I had several occasions of this. It's not that I don't speak at all but the decision to fuck is conveyed without words, some words may be required for logistic purposes and most words are exchanged with other guests in a brief manner of fasting alpha predator . If the girl sees you displaying alpha communication with other guests, meaning that they ask you questions and you give brief and cocky answers there is really no need to speak with her at all and sometimes I just do not.

And yes if I am fasting then I am sober too, but the girls obviously have some drinks like it's natural for a party. They are not drunk however, the thought of fucking a drunk girl while sober repulses me.

Post: #34

I just made this post about a pretty cool keto diet I have been following that allows you to keep strength while losing weight.

It includes a fasting element once or twice per week so some of you guys might be interested.

Post: #35

(06-10-2014 02:08 AM)Mage Wrote:  the thought of fucking a drunk girl while sober repulses me.

Full agreement there.

Kind of puts things in perspective for a long of sober girls I've banged drunk. Feel kind of bad for them. lol

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #36

(06-09-2014 10:47 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  Gh were you able to maintain/gain strength while losing that 30 lb. ?

A big definite yes. On intermittent fasting, my fast twitch muscle fibers became quicker and stronger and I had more explosive powers during my training session. I had a lot of fat to burn but if you don't, you simply need to avoid the 24 hour long fast and simply focus on implementing a eating window that fits your lifestyle and making sure to get enough protein. Getting enough protein is really the vital part if not you'll be doing yourself more harm than good with a IF style diet

Post: #37

I fast all day and eat between 7pm-9pm. It took a while to find the eating window that works for me that that seems to be it.

I do drink black coffee in the morning but that's it until 7pm.

I train fasted, BJJ, wrestling, Muay Thai and conditioning. Some of the guys recommend branch chain amino acids on training days but I go without and feel fine (have experimented with and without). My mental clarity for work is a lot better too.

My original introduction to IF was through Ori Hofmekler's "Warrior Diet" book but I've learned a lot from other guys too and of course had to experiment a lot. I initially started with an eating window between 4pm-6pm but it didn't have the same results for me.

Post: #38

I love this idea and will try it out soon. I just have one question about fasting and hope some guys here can help me out:

Will smoking tobacco while fasting substantially decrease the benefits?

I smoke a pipe and roll my own cigarettes with natural tobacco and find that it often kills my appetite, so I imagine I could use tobacco to push me through hunger pains. I'm just worried it will defeat the purpose. Any thoughts?

Post: #39

I'm 20 hours into my first fast and I would knock down a hot chick to snatch the cheeseburger out of her hands!

Post: #40

(06-11-2014 01:00 PM)Beau Wrote:  I love this idea and will try it out soon. I just have one question about fasting and hope some guys here can help me out:

Will smoking tobacco while fasting substantially decrease the benefits?

I smoke a pipe and roll my own cigarettes with natural tobacco and find that it often kills my appetite, so I imagine I could use tobacco to push me through hunger pains (I love to eat). I'm just worried it will defeat the purpose. Any thoughts?

Doesn't make any difference with the weight loss as that is about calorific intake. Obviously, it's not the healthiest thing to do, but we all make our own choices.

Post: #41

There was a pretty good thread about this on the Mark's Daily Apple forum a while back. I'll see if I can dig it up. It had some interesting data on various hormone levels and how they change during an extended fast.

Post: #42

(06-11-2014 08:30 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  There was a pretty good thread about this on the Mark's Daily Apple forum a while back. I'll see if I can dig it up. It had some interesting data on various hormone levels and how they change during an extended fast.

What was the consensus?

Post: #43

dreambig, I'm not concerned with the weight loss, only the immune system regeneration.

Post: #44

(06-12-2014 03:12 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 08:30 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  There was a pretty good thread about this on the Mark's Daily Apple forum a while back. I'll see if I can dig it up. It had some interesting data on various hormone levels and how they change during an extended fast.

What was the consensus?

I think the main point was that at least a two day fast increases the body's release of Growth Hormone.

Intermittent Fasting - A Primer Pt.3



For more about the body's regeneration process, I think you'll want to search for articles about autophagy and fasting, i.e.:

The role of autophagy in aging: its essential part in the anti-aging mechanism of caloric restriction.

Post: #45

(06-11-2014 06:09 AM)kazushu Wrote:  I fast all day and eat between 7pm-9pm. It took a while to find the eating window that works for me that that seems to be it.

I do drink black coffee in the morning but that's it until 7pm.

I train fasted, BJJ, wrestling, Muay Thai and conditioning. Some of the guys recommend branch chain amino acids on training days but I go without and feel fine (have experimented with and without). My mental clarity for work is a lot better too.

My original introduction to IF was through Ori Hofmekler's "Warrior Diet" book but I've learned a lot from other guys too and of course had to experiment a lot. I initially started with an eating window between 4pm-6pm but it didn't have the same results for me.

Damn! It never ceased to amaze me what is possible with IF when I read about other people doing it. For myself I do way better with a larger eating window and with BCAA! I know that you guys that can eat 1x day get that crazy ripped look all year long, and that what't I'm trying to achieve now. It's funny how being skinny on IF is almost too easy.

Post: #46

As an experiment, this past weekend, I tried not eating for about 46 hours. I had nothing from Friday night until Sunday's dinner, except some tea and BCAAs. It wasn't too bad at all, except during the last 4 hours or so I did some yard work and took a 1 hour walk, and I could feel that by then I was fatigued and dragging. I felt very refreshed this morning, though. Breakfast tasted better than usual. In the gym today my squats felt good but I lost 1 rep on my bench press top work set compared to Friday's workout. Usually I can gain 1 between workouts when eating closer to maintenance calories (but just below).

Post: #47

^^ As outlined in the apex predator thread, it's a good idea to keep your protein up with some casein etc if you want to preserve muscle/strength. Eating nothing at all for that long is just asking for muscle atrophy because, as far as I'm aware, the body uses protein first when in a pinch.

Post: #48

I plan to try this in about two weeks or so. A summer of Russian partying (drinking, cigarettes, raw sex) is probably not the best combination for my body. I see no harm in doing the 3-day fast and seeing if that helps me feel better, or at a minimum gives me that immune regeneration.

I presume black coffee/unsweetened tea is ok during a fast. Anyone think differently?

Post: #49

(06-09-2014 06:10 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Anyways, yeah, I find the mental performance low energy thing does pass. After a day or two, I start hitting a peak where my mind feels alert and I have a ton of energy. It's been a while but that's how I remember it.

Are you essentially inducing keto?

Post: #50

Any of you guys still doing 24 hour fasts once a week? With good results?