Post: #1

We complain a lot about how terrible women are today but there are still quite a few good women out there and I meet them all the time. Just recently I met this girl in Starbucks: great personality, intelligent, goes to medical school, studying to be dentist, just a wonderful person. There was nothing negative I could say about this girl except she won't go out with me Given her age, social circle, etc. this is no big surprise. Game works a lot less on good women because they don't have psychological flaws that can be easily exploited. This girl comes from solid, stable family, has a good circle of friends, good self-esteem etc. There was nothing about her, I could detect, that I could easily exploit using Game. If I was either directly or indirectly part of her social circle I would have a shot at getting her. But my point is, there are good girls out there, there are just difficult to find and when you do find them they are not going to be easy to Game or get.

So where do you find them? Well, generally, they don't go to nightclubs that often. You are more likely to find them doing some kind of social group activities or at social day time events. They will rarely be alone so you are going to have to deal with a group. I ended up hanging out with her and her friends that showed up for a bit. They are going to heavily influenced by their friends and family opinion of you. If you are way older than they are like I am, you can forget about getting a green light from her friends and family.

When I meet a girl like this she restores my hope in women even in this country.

In contrast here is the typical model/club girl you meet in Miami in a club: /thread-28149.html

Post: #2

so you put her photo in a public forum? sounds like a breach of privacy problem especially for a good girl.

Post: #3

I consider it compliment. Was there anything negative said about her here? And besides, this is a public photo of her

Post: #4

You know what the problem I've found with these "good" women.

They are invariably terrible in bed…like cardboard cutouts.

Just an observation.

Post: #5

I guess you can find them all over. It's not been a problem for me to find them per se, as much as it is to land them.

A lot of them are prudes, and opening them up the way you would most girls doesn't work on them/scares them off.

I think girls can be intimidated by men just like men can be intimidated by women. If she thinks you're a sexual presence, she may not want you for a variety of reasons. She may think you're out of her league, you might cheat on her, she doesn't trust herself around you, etc.

Post: #6

@Crash Well, it's relative to what you expect. They are certainly not going to be wild and crazy like a club slut but with a little time and training they can become fairly decent.

@MisterX Yes getting them is hard. I wouldn't say they are prudes per se, just more selective and they are not stupid. They are also going to be looking primarily for a relationship and as such as guy that is willing to offer them one. They also want a guy that can fit into their social circle and life.

Post: #7

Nomad, I know what you're saying about training them up but I just find it hard to muster the motivation when there are other options.

I do like a little bit of drama though; crazy chicks provide that in spades.

The thought of never having wild, crazy sex again in exchange for a 24/7 good girl just doesn't seem like a great deal to me.

Post: #8

I have had both, actually crazy girl are more attracted to me but at this point in my life I would take a good girl over a crazy/sexual one with whatever their disadvantages may be. I have also met quite a few good girls that once they get comfortable with you they can be good in bed as long as you are not expecting a porn star.

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Post: #10

Remember, you don't really know a girl until you bang her. I wouldn't be so quick to label them as good women.

Post: #11

I've noticed this about myself that I complain about where are the good girls but at the same time I oftentimes don't seek out the good girls.

If I'm into the party scene at the moment I'm going to meet party scene sluts which dont get me wrong they can be a good time but I'm not gonna find good girls in that scene. Also, I know I don't always have the patience to wait a girl out the type where you gotta really work at getting some for a few dates or even weeks.

I guess it's the old instant gratification thing. I want instant gratification which I'm not gonna get from a good girl but also want the good girl. If think if we want good girls I tink we have to A. actually seek them out and not expect to find them in maybe the typical places we meet girls and B. have to be patient to put in sometime b/c good girls are not bustdowns wo are goingg to give it up that easy.

Post: #12

She's cute and looks like good gf material.

Question for you guys. If you found the best spot in the world where these girls hang out and where there is no competition at all, would you share it on a public forum? I'm concerned about these RSD guys.

Post: #13

(06-07-2014 03:07 PM)BigBoyPants Wrote:  Remember, you don't really know a girl until you bang her. I wouldn't be so quick to label them as good women.

Trust me, I've banged enough to know them. And banging a girl don't mean shit today. I have banged girls that didn't even know my name.

Personally, while I understand the point of going for the bang it can also be rather enjoyable to experience getting to know a great girl. Yes, most of the time these girls are protected by their social circle. They are also protected by themselves because they don't get drunk and wasted. A lot of them will have a boyfriend.

Sometimes it is easy to spot them. I was waiting at an autostore a weeks back and walked into the waiting room and beheld a cutie sitting there writing with pen and paper. I immediately sat down next to her, well one chair over from her and started watching what she was doing. She was writing thank you cards! Can you imagine that. An attractive, young girl writing personal thank you cards! I immediately opened her and she was a UM student down here from upstate NY. We ended up talking for about 30 mins or more while I waited for my car. And based just on the fact of what she was doing I was dead on. She was an absolutely great girl. She was more enjoyable to just be with the last club slut I had a ONS with that acted like a pornstar.

Post: #14

"great personality, intelligent, goes to medical school, studying to be dentist, just a wonderful person."

And you know she's "just a wonderful person" from having chatted with her in a Starbucks? I've met and dated lots of women who seemed like solid citizens.

There was the Doctor I was in a relationship with who always seemed like she was in a great mood. Once in a relationship, her issues with men came out.

Then there was this one girl from a "solid" mid-western family. Except, unbeknownst to her family, she was a raging slut who was emotionally unavailable.

Then there was ANOTHER girl from a solid, mid-western family. She seemed like a bit of a man-eater - she was a stunning blond. But, she kept reminding you of that solid family she was from, and how she was JUST like them. Until she got really drunk, and confessed that she wanted to marry a rich man and have his baby and divorce him so should could have "a house, a baby, money - but not have to be tied down to a husband".

Oh, then there was the girl I dated from a VERY religious immigrant family. EVERYONE kept telling how great she was - sweet, solid, good values. They all wanted me to marry her. But they didn't know her like I did. Her substance abuse problems. Her sex addition (she craved big black D's). Most worrisome, they didn't know that she was a sex-in-the-city fanatic whose goal was to enslave some man as her "kitchen bitch".

And then there was the stunning latina - also from a good family. But she was a slut and a drunk and a cheat.

EVERY one of these girls seemed like good girls - when I met them, and the first 6-18 months I dated them. But eventually, you see them for what they are: Women are much more base creatures than men. Left unregulated by society, they devolve to their most basic instincts: Grubbing and grabbing for money, control, and, yes, cock.

Your little princess could be entirely different. But the smart money wouldn't bet that way.

Post: #15

Nomad, do you believe that good girls do not enjoy sex in the same way that "bad" girls do?

Post: #16

@Father I agree with you. You can never know 100% about what anyone will do, also people can change. But just as you can list off a bunch of bad relationships, I could list off an equal number of great relationships with great women. I believe in my ability to read both men and women well and my experience have proven to me that I am rarely very wrong. The worse relationship I have been in was one where the girl got a little obsessed with plastic surgery and creating the perfect body.

@BDawg No, I think they can enjoy sex very much. They may just may not be into the really kinky stuff that a drugged out slut may find enjoyable. If you are into hardcore, kinky sex then by all means get a slut that loves to have sex on cocaine and X.

Post: #17

Nomad my man what is going on? I'm not trying to start a battle or something but you seem to be going through a rough time. I've never fallowed your postings in particular, but in my mind someone with 51 rep points is automatically an expert at this game, and I'm sure you are.

In this post you're mentioning good girl vs bad girl when someone with your experience knows that this distinction isn't black and white. It is the current culture that allows women true nature to be out in the open, and a vet like you knows that with more experience than me.


And you're putting a pic of this girl that you don't even know that well? The post from the Father on this thread clearly demonstrate that within our culture everybody can become Darth Vader, with no exceptions Talk to us if you're ain't doing good man!

Post: #18

When I was about 32 I decided to stop seeking cheap sluts and look for a wife.

A rabbi friend of mine actually said this "You keep looking for the wrong kind of women, dummy. Look for the right woman for a change. Write an essay about what kind of woman you want for a wife." He was a smart dude. So I did it.

I wrote..."Family first. Wants to be a mother. Parents married. Prim and proper on the outside, but in the bedroom she belongs to me utterly." Etc.

Found her a month later. Married 20 years. She bore and raised 2 kids for me, hard hard work.

But these kind of women are more rare than ever. Fortunately this is America and we have 150 million women. That's a big population to choose from. Ultimately there's a lot of good ones out there, even if they are only 5% of the total population, that's still a lot of potential gals.

But how to find the non-fat, non-crazy ones?

Well, it's a challenge.

Post: #19

isn't every guys idea of a "good women" just their mom's personality on a different face/body on a subconscious level?

Post: #20

@Captain What is negative about this post? This is not a post about good girls vs bad girls or that good girls don't give BJs or whatever. All I am saying is that there are still some decent women out there. You can take the position that ALL women are messed up and out to screw you over, fine. But that's like saying that all black men are criminals because you were mugged by one and watch the news. One of the ironic things I have learned about life from experience is that you will get whatever believe to be true. So if you believe all women are messed up and DG (damaged goods) then guess what? That's exactly what you are going to find.

Post: #21

@MrLemon Your Rabbi was right. You find the good ones by actually looking for them. If you are constantly going out to clubs hooking up with drunk or wasted girls then complaining they are messed up well guess what? Gee, what a surprise!

I think if you have never had a great relationship with a woman then it will be difficult to even believe that it is possible much less be able to identify one. A good girl is not a product of a single factor e.g. a good family. Let me give you another example. I just bought a car from a guy. The moment I met this guy I said to myself, this is a great guy and I bought the car not because I knew the car was good but because I believed in the guy. We have since become friends and my original read on this guy was dead on. Before you can find good people, you have to be looking for them. I am always looking for red flags from girls and the moment I see one that I consider pretty bad I drop her. I don't need toxic people in my life - I don't care how good she is in bed or how beautiful she is.

Post: #22

It takes a LOT of time and effort to find these "good" girls. It's like searching for a unicorn. Most men do not have the time, or have no desire to go out looking for these elusive creatures. Looking for a meaningful relationship in the west is a waste of time, energy, and money. Even my blue pill co-workers have given up on relationships because of how difficult it is to find women that are worth investing in.

Post: #23

@BigBoyPants I do not go out there looking for these women BUT am actively looking for them when I am out there. Understand the difference? If you are going to go fishing why not keep an eye out for a good fish Of course, it would be easier outside of the country but if you can't leave the country you might as well try to make the best of it.

Post: #24

Believe it or not, the higher quality women I meet are on the street. Typical day game scenario walking around NYC. Some of them I date for a while, and prove to be good companions. I don't want a GF or relationship though. One a gorgeous 29 yr old Boston College masters educated high school principle, another a 24 yr old Persian Brit, a global manager for a British mens clothing chain. If I were solely looking for a girlfriend, this is the route I would go.

Thats on the surface though. Looks, smarts, personality, style, clothing. Dig a little deeper, e.g. longer, and who knows.

Compared to online there is no contest. The most flawed women I meet are off of Tinder and Match.

Post: #25

Yes, 90% of these girls I meet in the day time. The quality of girls you meet in the day are far superior to those at night plus you can really tell how they look. If you dig deep enough you will always find a flaw but why? If you can spend a week with a woman and have a great time why should that not be enough? I have a very simple rule about relationship: as long as I am having a good time with her, enjoying her company, I don't care what lies in her past. It is the woman she is today that matters. We can all change tomorrow.

The short relationships I have had with American women in the past year I have met in the day time and my biggest complain about them is their job related stress. They all seem to have drama at work with other women. I don't have problems with women in general because I screen heavily the women I date and I am very good at detecting damaged women.