Post: #1

How many times have you met a girl somewhere had a great time with her but was unable to close the deal: get her number fully believing you will see her again and never do? You wonder what happened I thought we had such a great time. And you did. This has happened to me many times and it didn't happen before I learned about Game. So why was it happening when I use Game. It took me a long time to figure this out.

When you become really good at Game it becomes very easy to create a bubble for you and the girl. You become like a drug and she literally gets high off of you. The problem with that is just like a drug it wears off once you are no longer around. And then they are like what the hell was I doing with that guy last night. Their logical mind kicks in. They chalk it up to drinking etc. They may even decided that you are too dangerous to be around, just like a strong drug. And so you never see them again.

Your Game has created a false response from the girl - a false positive. It's like the people that goes to those get rich quick seminars and end up buying the program because they get all excited only to regret it the next day. Being good at Game means being a good salesman - of yourself. You get the girl all excited about you but are you what she is really looking for? Maybe, maybe not. Now, if you use less Game. You would get a more realistic response of how she really feels about you. And if that response was good then she is going to feel the same way two days from now and you will see her again. It's the same as a girl liking you when she is drunk and then deciding she doesn't went she gets sober. We all know we are more incline to liking people when we are drunk.

The more Game I use the more likely I am to get false positives of attraction level reads. Because I am essentially manipulating the girl feelings and this is only effective as long as she is in my presence. Once she leaves, her true feelings will return and that will determine whether I see her again or not. So what does this mean? Well, if you are looking for quick sex or just sex. Game is the way to go. It's the natural version of alcohol or some drug depending on how good you are. And combining it with either will be far more effective than using it by itself. But if you are looking for an accurate read on how much a girl is really attracted to you you may want to cut back on the Game a bit.

Of course, you can say screw real attraction level. I will get her hooked on me because I will make her so high that she will want to come back for more. And yes, you can do this if you are really good. But then you will always have to be providing that high because that is what she is coming for - she is not coming to hang out with you.

Post: #2

I've always like the explanation that in women arousal and attraction are separate. If you want her to come home with you you need to be exciting both aspects. It sounds like you've become very good at arousing a woman's emotional state. You've created the right atmosphere but you haven't connected the dots between the excitement and yourself. Attraction without arousal leads to the friendzone - chick likes you but doesn't like you. Arousal without attraction at best leads to a one night stand (which, hey you could do worse) but often just to some heavy flirting and then nothing.

Post: #3

If your Game is good enough you can create the illusion of attraction. Once we get excited that excitement impairs our judgement and gets us aroused. The thing that got us excited automatically becomes more attractive. Try it on yourself, look around at girls and rate them when you are excited then do it after the excitement wears off. Everything looks better when we are excited. When does the preacher ask for money? He sure as hell doesn't do it at the beginning of the sermons.

Post: #4

Absolutely everything that you wrote is accurate and true in my book. But by judging the tonality of your article, is seems like you're insinuating that Game might be more harmful than helpful in some cases. Maybe I'm way off on this one, but that's tone insinuation that I picked up.

Don't forget that Game is not only your external actions and words, but also your inner game and frame presence. The man without game wouldn't even be in that I might get her since the interaction wouldn't have gotten to that point.


I get what you're saying but the guy with the "genuine" connection will get her only if she wants to settle down or if she's got no other option. No matter how the connection was created, if it's there on her mind she won't pick the non-game/akward guy over the "good salesman" guy if all the other conditions are equal.

She emotionally won't. You've made this thread and the other one that I don't quite remember that was more on the women side than our. Both were fantastic with great arguments on your part, but a bit negative. Is everything alright with u? Sometimes you just gotta take a little break from Bitches and then come back in full force.

Post: #5

@Captain Thanks, I appreciate that. The way I write is that I think about things for awhile then I just sit down and do a lot of writing in bust mode. All of my writing is from the position of what I believe the average guy out there wants and how he can get it. It's not about getting laid 100 times. You have a lot of other guys on here that knows a lot more about that than me. The point I am making with this post is that active Game can cloud a girl's true attraction to you, regardless of the kind of man you are. So if you want to know a girl's true attraction level don't use as much active Game.

Passive Game is who you are as man. Active Game is how you interact with women.

Post: #6

But what is the "real you"?

I'm not convinced it exists, other than conditioned thought patterns, which the longer you have held, the more habitual they are.

Post: #7

@Rex Do you use "Game" on your friends? How do you act around them? If you want to know a girl's truest attraction level to you then act the same way around her.

Post: #8

(06-07-2014 10:15 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Thanks, I appreciate that. The way I write is that I think about things for awhile then I just sit down and do a lot of writing in bust mode. All of my writing is from the position of what I believe the average guy out there wants and how he can get it. It's not about getting laid 100 times. You have a lot of other guys on here that knows a lot more about that than me. The point I am making with this post is that active Game can cloud a girl's true attraction to you, regardless of the kind of man you are. So if you want to know a girl's true attraction level don't use as much active Game.

Passive Game is who you are as man. Active Game is how you interact with women.

But why not do both? Use game to create a moment, then wait and see who sticks around.

Post: #9

@Ensam If the goal is to make a sale that night then it's to your advantage to Game heavily and get them high and ready to buy. If you goal is more long term then this will only create the illusion of lots of fake buyers. When you are selling a product this is a great approach. Examples of this is the half off sale, the intro price sale, the new model sale, etc. You want the buyer to buy the product and hopefully they won't return it. But if you want a woman to spend more than one night with you that's a different story. It all depends on what your objective is.

I am not saying you don't need Game or not to use it. I am saying your use of it should depend on your objective and if your objective is to see a girl more than once or you are looking for relationship then if may be in your best interest to use less rather than more active Game in the initial approach.

Post: #10

(06-07-2014 10:23 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  @Rex Do you use "Game" on your friends? How do you act around them? If you want to know a girl's truest attraction level to you then act the same way around her.

I'd say not deliberately but maybe just a little bit with agree/amplify. I've actually been working on bringing more "presence" to my interactions with family/friends. That also leads to taking yourself less seriously in general.

I have a lot of beta/"nice guy" habits but they are just that- habitual ways of reacting/thinking. It doesn't mean they are any more "real" or that I actually want to act/be that way. I can be overly logical/boring if not careful. However, I'm often happier if I can get out of my head and let go of that.

With existing relationships, you often fall into old patterns. But with each new person you meet, it seems like there is the possibility to discover new sides of yourself.

(I also think it's obvious that interactions are different when there is no possibility of sex involved.)

Post: #11

If you have to put on an act to get a woman. You will have to keep the act up to keep her. You can be whoever you want. Just don't do it for a woman. Do it because that's the kind of man you want to be. For example, my integrity is of greater value to me than any woman. I am never willing to do anything that reduces my sense of my integrity and honor for any woman. The moment I feel like I am doing that, is the moment I walk away, regardless of how beautiful she is.

Post: #12

You're approaching it the wrong way. The problem is not Game itself, but rather that your knowledge of Game, or the way you use it, is still limited. I don't really like going back to Mystery Method lingo but you're quite probably not building confort or miscalibrating your interactions with girls. When you meet a girl in a club, you have to quickly assess how the situation will evolve and you can do it with a few simple questions.

-Is she kino'ing you a lot?
-Does she stay with you when her friends are dancing?
-Is she mostly talking to you?
-Is she willing to leave her friends and go with you to a different part of the club?
-How does she react when you suggest to continue the night in a different place?
- (a few more than I can't think of now but in the same lines)

If the answer of all of this is positive then you have built enough attraction and should go as far as possible that night. If you don't go the farthest possible you can then the next day will be exactly as you described it. If you do, even if you don't end up fucking, she'll probably want to see you again, as you responded correctly to her level of attraction. The problem is when you don't go that far, because she'll realize she invested too much and the payoff wasn't good enough. (I know this sounds counterintuitive with what most game theory teaches but in my experience that's the way it is)

If the answer to one or two of these questions is negative then she's probably not ready for you going all the way and you should seed a future meeting. In that case, building confort is a very good idea, or trying to get an attraction spike before you leave her (it's always better that you leave her than the other way around, although if I have the chance to build some confort, I can perfectly stay for the rest of the night with her, just to make sure I'll see her again).

If the answer to most of the questions is negative then look for another girl. She's not attracted to you even if you think she is.

Post: #13

I don't really use game techniques that much, but I still have more girls flake where we seemed to have a really strong connection and attraction, compared to those that I thought had lukewarm interest levels. I just put it down to them not wanting to get involved in anything serious. This really used to surprise me when I first started out.

Post: #14

@kieran If you use tight Game you can create the illusion of a strong connection and attraction. That is exactly what I am talking about in this post. Monitor how much Game you are using with each girl vs whether you see them again or not.

Post: #15

This thread has a lot of potential for interesting discussion but many will shy away from it for obvious reasons.

Nomad brings up a good point in that game, while necessary, can only do only so much for a man. It's more of an amplifier of what you already have and by that I mean your looks. Your physical looks are the product and your game is your pitch.

Now, can you pitch a shitty product and have buyers? Absolutely. But you can only string along some customers for so long. In other words, people know quality when they see it. It's funny because the term "buyers remorse" fits this to a T and it comes from sales, too. A girl can and will have buyers remorse when your pitch is great but you're not really fulfilling her primal brain in terms of having those "sexy genes".

I believe Rollo covered this elegantly by saying something along the lines of, "Women will love you for what you are but not who you are."

Post: #16

(06-07-2014 09:39 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  When you become really good at Game it becomes very easy to create a bubble for you and the girl. You become like a drug and she literally gets high off of you. The problem with that is just like a drug it wears off once you are no longer around. And then they are like what the hell was I doing with that guy last night. Their logical mind kicks in. They chalk it up to drinking etc. They may even decided that you are too dangerous to be around, just like a strong drug. And so you never see them again.

Well if you can create that "bubble" consistently then you are ahead of 90% of guys and it sounds like you're doing fine. Yes, it's a temporary high like you said so the only thing you can really do in a situation is try to extract her and bang right there while the iron is hot, if the logistics allow for it. I've been recently checking out Good Looking Loser's videos and he's got some great content. He mentions how you have to screen hard for girls that are DTF that night. Otherwise you could waste hours rapping with girls that will lead to nowhere. I think taking numbers in a nightlife situation is pretty much useless at this point. Of course take it anyway, there's always a small 5% chance she'll still want to meet up next week.

Post: #17

@Speakeasy Yes, while I know I can do this I am not really into ONS. I enjoy good sex not just any sex and having drunk sex at 4:00am in the morning when I am dead tired is not my idea of good sex.

Post: #18

Another factor to take into account is that if a girl is DTF, you get her in the right state, and then you don't follow through. She will be PISSED. So if you're gaming hard and successfully there's a good chance you're leaving a lot of women unsatisfied if you're not shooting for the SNL.

Post: #19

(06-08-2014 10:17 AM)YoungBlood Wrote:  This thread has a lot of potential for interesting discussion but many will shy away from it for obvious reasons.

And what are those obvious reasons?

WIA

Post: #20

@Ensam Hahaha, in any given year I turn down far more women than I sleep with. Don't worry I am sure they can find sexual satisfaction with all of the sex starved men out there. Unlike most men on here my goal with women is different.

Post: #21

While chronic self-doubt is very damaging, careful self-reflection is necessary for a man to improve.

However, if a certain belief system (i.e. believe that certain behaviours are indicators of interest) has improved how often you get laid, I'd be willing to believe that additional external variables (female emotionality) could also be at play and there is still reason to have faith in your belief system.

Just be open to adapting that belief system as data points accumulate.

Personally, I've found that doubting that a girl is into me has never done me any favours.

I've been wrong more than I've been right. So, at present, if a girl goes cold, despite the appearance of initial interest, I'll write it off as just one of those things.

Post: #22

What's with all these anti game posts, Nomad?

If the "real" you isn't getting laid, then you have to do something different.

Elliot Rodgers was complaining about girls not liking the real him despite him being "the perfect gentelmen". If you don't like game then don't do it, but don't expect to get laid either. I don't get the point in whining about it here.

This section of the forum is supposed to be about sharing ways to get laid.

I don't see how this or your other recent thread do that.

Part of game is accepting that you aren't a perfect unique snowflake- we are all animals/machines and their isn't really ownership in the ideas we share here. The whole point is that it's a game and you shouldn't take it personally.

Guys who take it personally when they get rejected have trouble improving. When a girl rejects your approach, she's saying she doesn't like your bad game, not that she doesn't like you.

When a girl sleeps with you, it's because she likes your game. That's just how it works. If I were you, I'd try to not take any game stuff personally.

That would be like the actor who played Oberon from game of thrones being mad at the actor who played the mountain because the mountain crushed Oberon's head in the story/show.

Also there is no such thing as "the illusion of attraction". This sounds like the type of thing a girl would take a player to court for- "he tricked me into likin him!"

Attraction is transferable. A girl could be feeling horny after reading 50 shades of grey or being talked to by some "hot" guy and you can use that to your advantage because if you play your cards right, that attraction she's feeling can be directed towards you. Nothing fake about it, that's just how girls work.