Post: #26

Damn, I need to get to the library.

I'm going to throw out one that's out there. Maybe better for an elementary school kid. Try the Little House series. For a boy, Farmer Boy might be more appealing because it's about a boy, but Little House on the Prairie is really interesting. Laura is definitely drawn to the bad boys. Her mother HATES indians, but Laura is completely fascinated by them.

Read that to your son and then call that out. Why was she so fascinated?

Post: #27

All of these are good, although I'd shy away from something as overt as the forum or ROK.

My personal favorite is How to Win Friends and Influence People. I re-read it all the time.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-In...nce+people

Post: #28

Anything from the adventure novel thread.

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Post: #29

Just thought of another one that's really good: Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe. Overall, it's a story of how a culture is destroyed from the bottom up. The story is set in Africa with a small tribe; the central character is one of the top guys in the tribe and it describes his life. Then after a bit, missionaries show up. The tribe tolerates the missionaries living near their village, but slowly, the missionaries start drawing converts - first the worthless men, basically the failures at life, then a few women... gradually the missionaries convert a warrior culture into a subservient culture.

It's really powerful, relevant, and right at a teenage reading level.

Post: #30

Jack London's "Call of the Wild". It's main character, Buck,is a young domesticated house dog living the life of ease and comfort. Buck is kidnapped and sold to men in Alaska to be used as a sled dog. There, Buck is out of his comfort zone and forced to dig deep and find and use his natural instincts that make him a real canine. He must learn how to pull his own weight in his new pack of dogs. In the book, a puppy becomes a Dog. If you correlate it to humans, it's about a boy leaving home and finding out what it takes to be a Man. And to be a man among men.

Pretty red pill book if you ask me. Easy to read, safe for a young teen, and makes you think about self discovery. Like a fine wine, I think it pairs quite nicely with Donovan's "The Way of Men". It teaches the values of strength, honor, courage, and mastery. How to be part of the tribe, survive, and maintain your honor among the pack.

Very inspirational, highly recommended.

Post: #31

48 laws of power and Mastery by Robert green. Think and grow Rich - Napoleon hill. But its not about reading - there comes a point when it must be about doing.

Post: #32

Aesop's Fables. Also seek out GBFM, he has a "few" suggestions.

Post: #33

(09-17-2014 11:49 PM)RockHard Wrote:  Just thought of another one that's really good: Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe. Overall, it's a story of how a culture is destroyed from the bottom up. The story is set in Africa with a small tribe; the central character is one of the top guys in the tribe and it describes his life. Then after a bit, missionaries show up. The tribe tolerates the missionaries living near their village, but slowly, the missionaries start drawing converts - first the worthless men, basically the failures at life, then a few women... gradually the missionaries convert a warrior culture into a subservient culture.

It's really powerful, relevant, and right at a teenage reading level.

I read that book in high school and really disliked it - didn't care for the heavy-handed anti-colonial stuff, also my English teacher was a righteous bitch.

But I had never looked through the angle you just described. Really perceptive.

Post: #34

Thought of another one, Vonnegut's short story "Harrison Bergeron". Classic. It's mentioned in other threads on here as well.

Post: #35

My thoughts.

The Red Pill is something that has to be referenced in order to be accepted. In that way, for your son to get this life, he has to have experienced some of what we are talking about. The good and the bad.

If you are asking about what books to read to know how it is to be a man, in a world half full of women, yet still understand the biological differences of penis and vagina and that all of that is OK then I will go with what others have suggested. Hemingway, et al.

An interesting side note. I am a member of a Mens Book club. 10 guys, different backgrounds mostly, but the majority are mountain guys, rough, tough and so on. We read Way of Men and it was crushed by these guys. They hated it, so much so that some of them were not even going to have it on the bookshelf for fear their sons found it and read it. Perhaps I missed something, as I found it hard hitting and very basic.

My recommendation: When I was 15 I read Dirk Pitt novels. Adventure, hard work, fun, sex and friendship. At this age the idea is to expand the mind to what is possible outside the career counselors sales pitches.

Post: #36

If the teen in question likes Fantasy, I would recommend any book by "David Gemmel" He was a Christian author who wrote epic Fantasy. He was my favorite author when I was 16. He imparts morals and has bad ass anti-heroes who seek redemption (appeals to da cool factor). Sounds gay, but I think didactic stories are good for young boys who are tempted to be total assholes all the time. I learned a lot reading his books.

Post: #37

+1 for the 48 Laws suggestion.

It's easy for a young person to understand. If they're smart they will see how it can help them navigate socially.

Post: #38

(05-13-2015 05:27 PM)Laner Wrote:  My thoughts.

The Red Pill is something that has to be referenced in order to be accepted. In that way, for your son to get this life, he has to have experienced some of what we are talking about. The good and the bad.

If you are asking about what books to read to know how it is to be a man, in a world half full of women, yet still understand the biological differences of penis and vagina and that all of that is OK then I will go with what others have suggested. Hemingway, et al.

An interesting side note. I am a member of a Mens Book club. 10 guys, different backgrounds mostly, but the majority are mountain guys, rough, tough and so on. We read Way of Men and it was crushed by these guys. They hated it, so much so that some of them were not even going to have it on the bookshelf for fear their sons found it and read it. Perhaps I missed something, as I found it hard hitting and very basic.

My recommendation: When I was 15 I read Dirk Pitt novels. Adventure, hard work, fun, sex and friendship. At this age the idea is to expand the mind to what is possible outside the career counselors sales pitches.

I'd be really interested to know what made them crush it. What didn't they like about it?

Post: #39

Red Badge of Courage

Or a phone with Tinder.

Or any history book really

Post: #40

Tropic of Cancer by Henry Miller.

Post: #41

Too many boring books! The kid is 15 he needs to LEARN to fall in love with reading. That doesnt happen reading "classic" books like grapes of wrath.

+1 on The Game. It almost feels like you've just gotten a secret black book that introduces you at a secret society. Then +1 on Book of Pook. At 15 kid wants to get laid above all else. Trust me. After 2 homeruns the kid will read anything you tell him.

Post: #42

As a guy who's just turned 21, I would have immensely benefitted from The Rational Male at that age to understand what the hell was behind girls acting the way they do. I agree with Roosh on the 48 Laws of Power, and as an Asian I'd like to offer a shameless plug for the Art of War. As a father it is your duty to get him Big Man on Campus (available for free online through the thread on this forum) as well as Conquer your Campus before he goes off to college. My biggest regret is that I did not find those freshman year or before I came to college. I truly do envy him.

Post: #43

Hemingway.

Politics and the English Language by George Orwell.

1984 and Farenheit 451 and realizing they are anti leftist.

Bradburry even had an anti feminist screed as a foreward of the version I read as a kid.

Post: #44

(05-20-2015 08:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Hemingway.

Politics and the English Language by George Orwell.

1984 and Farenheit 451 and realizing they are anti leftist.

Bradburry even had an anti feminist screed as a foreward of the version I read as a kid.

Anything by George Orwell is good for a young person to read.

Post: #45

(05-20-2015 08:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Hemingway.

Politics and the English Language by George Orwell.

1984 and Farenheit 451 and realizing they are anti leftist.

Bradburry even had an anti feminist screed as a foreward of the version I read as a kid.

Excellent suggestions. "The Sun Also Rises" by Hemingway is underrated.

"The Stranger" by Albert Camus. "Look Back in Anger" by John Osborne. --> These two works are great for the thinking, questioning, frustrated, isolated, and even angry young man.

I would add that "The Picture of Dorian Grey" by Oscar Wilde changed my life and my world view.

I also think that you should show him the Al Pacino film "Scent of a Woman". Must watch for every boy before he goes off to College in the modern age. Simple and age appropriate, but very powerful.

Post: #46

Tucker Max. Seriously.

Post: #47

Oh boy, where to start? He's only 15, so you shouldn't bore him with hard reads. You should make him fall in love with books and reading. There aren't many activities in life that can have such a positive impact on your life than reading good books. Maybe the only exception is taking action.

(06-09-2014 07:29 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  "The Red Pill" is pretty all-encompassing term for unpleasant truths, usually politically incorrect ideas.

This. It's not only about the way men and women function and the way modern society wants to distort our views, there's so much more that's red pill. Student loans and dead-end jobs for example. The understanding that only way you can live your life is go to school, college, then be a doctor/lawyer/whatever society deems to be acceptable. Once his eyes are open you will have to make him understand that he can do whatever he wants if he sets his mind to it and puts in the hard work.

Must reads (for everyone btw):
The War of Art by Steven Pressfield (easy read but incredibly eye-opening and motivating)
Think and Grow Rich (although maybe this can wait)

I am surprised nobody mentioned The Catcher In The Rhye. What an awesome book. Every boy in his late teens should read it. It's not red pill per se but raises a ton of questions about society and the school system.
1984, 48 Laws of Power, Hemingway - all great recommendations.

(05-20-2015 08:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Hemingway.

Politics and the English Language by George Orwell.

1984 and Farenheit 451 and realizing they are anti leftist.

Bradburry even had an anti feminist screed as a foreward of the version I read as a kid.

Yes, Bradbury added a coda in 1979. It is a must read. I actually enjoyed it more than the book, although it really hits home if you had read the book first. Here you can find the coda. I think RVF will greatly appreciate it.

Post: #48

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Yes, Bradbury added a coda in 1979. It is a must read. I actually enjoyed it more than the book, although it really hits home if you had read the book first. Here you can find the coda. I think RVF will greatly appreciate it.
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Excellent contribution to the forum. +1 rep.

Post: #49

Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell:

Quote:Dry empirical questions are seldom as exciting as political crusades or ringing moral pronouncements. But empirical questions are questions that must be asked, if we are truly interested in the well-being of others, rather than in excitement or a sense of moral superiority for ourselves. Perhaps the most important distinction is between what sounds good and what works. The former may be sufficient for purposes of politics or moral preening, but not for the economic advancement of people in general or the poor in particular.

The entire book is like Red Pill economics and I wish I had read it in my teens. It made me realize that money and business aren't about the way I want things to be; they are about what works and what values others see.

Post: #50

(06-06-2014 01:46 PM)Teekay Wrote:  My oldest son is going to be 15 soon and I'd like to give him a measured dose of the red pill. The problem is, most of the red pill reading I've done is not suitable for teens,maybe with the exception of Donovan's Way of Men.

Any book tips here, please?

If you are considering fiction, I recommend Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card.

To give you a pre-amble, this book is widely recognized in military academies around the world. The book is often on the recommended reading lists for examples of leadership, ethics and tenacity under extreme circumstances.

Plot Summary:

Humanity has expanded beyond our Earthly borders, and we eventually come into contact with an alien species. The Earth is invaded by these aliens, with a significant chunk of humanity being wiped out. Only through collective military efforts and the genius of one man, Mazer Rackham, is the alien invasion pushed back.

The world governments temporarily put aside their differences, and form an alliance called the "The International Fleet", or the "I.F." The I.F. is aware that there is a limited timeline (measured in years) before the next battle between man and the aliens. It is decided that the some of the best pilots and military commanders will be children selected from a very young age and groomed into fleet commanders.

As the I.F. has near dictatorial power, they begin screening the planet for the best children to be sent to a "battle school" orbiting Earth. Thousands of children are screened through this orbiting military school, in an attempt to find the next blend of Napoleon/Genghis Khan to lead the human space fleet. This "ultimate commander" will lead the combined space fleet of the Earth in one last desperate battle against the alien threat. Three of the children chosen as cadets are "Ender Wiggin" and his two siblings, Peter and Valentine. Valentine is washed out due to her compassion. Peter is washed out due to his psychopathic tenancies. As Peter and Valentine are also child geniuses, they play a different role on Earth. Peter and Valentine attempt to influence global opinion on the war, and it's potential aftermath. Peter and Valentine write under pseudonyms to influence world policy. That part of the book is a fascinating study of the power of rhetoric and manipulation.

The majority of the book follows Ender as he journeys through the battle school, and is brutally tested by other students and the instructors. Although it is supposed to be a military academy for children and teenagers, Ender quickly realizes that he needs to use extreme violence to even survive inside the battle school.

I will not give any more of the plot, since this book is a science fiction masterpiece and worth reading unspoiled.

The book covers many themes that include strategy, ruthlessness, isolation, manipulation, compassion, self-sufficiency, friendship, and love.

There was a movie released recently, but it isn't worth your time. The movie was heavily "hollywood-ized" and significant chunks of the book were omitted. Even so, the movie was boycotted by various lesbian and gay groups. The book's author, Orson Scott Card is an unapologetic Christian, and he would not recant his religious views regarding gay marriage.

This book was written during the 1980's, and has stood the test of time.