Post: #101

It's hard to describe. Maybe it's because it's early summer and I'm drunk on sun dresses with low cut tops. It's not resignation, but it is a form of acceptance. I'm one man wading into an ocean of pussy. I can either chose to stand my ground firmly and get pummeled by the waves or I can grab a board and go surfing.

Post: #102

(06-07-2014 09:28 PM)godofwar Wrote:  swallowing the red pill is ultimately about knowing this truth, that every single woman is capable of disloyalty. if you aren't prepared to drop a given girl at any moment, you are biologically and mentally fucked. you could be stuck raising someone else's kid, or at best be made the fool.

at the moment, i am aligning my behavior to reflect this truth. what scares me is when i want to have and raise children eventually. the only solution i have come up with is to never enter this situation unless i have leverage. women, like any one else, will react to the realities of the situation. 99.9% of the time, it's 'loyalty' and 'love' but as men we are concerned with having our bases covered when that .1% occurance happens. and thats true because one time is all it takes to be cuckolded.

make a cuckold more damaging to her than you and i think you can do some damage control. but red pill is ultimately knowing women aren't rational. that even with a rich virgin raised in a conservative religious household, the fact the she has more to lose by cuckolding a marriage isn't going to stop her that one time when logistics line up to make the cuckold happen. horniness and hypergamy is as real as anything.

If you do not want kids, the true nature of women would be something to appreciate, not hate. After all, the true nature of women unshackled allows men to sleep around with greater ease. If you take the mindset that we should just be appreciating what we have in the here and now, and that nothing lasts forever, the hypergamous/anti-monogamous nature of women should generally be embraced, because it doesn't encumber men with obligations beyond a certain time limit. This gives us the flexibility to do the shit we want - change careers, start businesses, travel the world, "live in a tent on a florida balcony," collect all 192 UN flags, etc. All of this interspersed with SNLs, hookups, and the occasional short-term gf (a few months to 1/2 year). Pretty sweet once you let go of the idea that you need a monogamous girlfriend for 3+ years, etc etc.

The ultimate issue, I think, boils down to fathering offspring. In modern society, the issue with fathering offspring is in most circumstances you have to get married to do this. Legally, you're obviously not obligated to marry someone just because you get them pregnant. But unless you have an "accident," in most cases you're gonna have to marry a woman if you want to have kids with her. Society has conditioned women to want marriage no matter what. It's engrained in them as an entitlement.

Now I've long believed that society should abolish the institution of marriage. It's an inherently un-libertarian and illiberal institution. But specifically, from the modern man's perspective, it poses two HUGE problems: 1) cuckoldry and 2) division of your assets + maintenance payments. We're probably already familiar with the second part, as it has been covered extensively on this forum in the form of "divorce rape." What some people on here may not know is that there is a long-existing common law rule of "paternity by estoppel." That is, if you are cuckolded and you've been duped for x years, you're now presumed to be the father so long as you are the husband of the mother, even in the face of contradictory factual evidence. The courts have essentially decided that the best interests of the child are paramount to the interests of the man. I would chalk this up to feminism but it actually appears to be a long-standing common law rule from more conservative times (lending credence to the heartiste/roissy point that feminists and women-pedestalizing conservatives go hand-in-hand). I actually witnessed this once in real life. I was in a 7-eleven late one night and the cashier started talking to me about his legal troubles. He said essentially his wife cheated on him, the other dude ran away, and the court just stuck him with the child. The cashier explicitly warned me to never get married.

Obviously, without marriage, these two problems don't exist. The dissolution of your relationship doesn't result in any division of assets. And there's no paternity by estoppel (generally, there might be an exception) if you aren't married. As long as you are smart enough to get DNA testing early on, you won't need to worry about cuckoldry if you decide to (and are persuasive enough to get your girlfriend to agree) have kids in a long-term cohabitating relationship. The worst that happens is that your girlfriend cheats on you, you feel bad, kick her to the curb, and the relationship ends. Oh well, nothing lasts forever, and you can move onto fresher pussy (if you weren't already cheating on her).

Post: #103

(06-08-2014 02:04 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  Obviously, without marriage, these two problems don't exist. The dissolution of your relationship doesn't result in any division of assets. And there's no paternity by estoppel (generally, there might be an exception) if you aren't married. As long as you are smart enough to get DNA testing early on, you won't need to worry about cuckoldry if you decide to (and are persuasive enough to get your girlfriend to agree) have kids in a long-term cohabitating relationship. The worst that happens is that your girlfriend cheats on you, you feel bad, kick her to the curb, and the relationship ends. Oh well, nothing lasts forever, and you can move onto fresher pussy (if you weren't already cheating on her).

More women are down for this arrangement than you might realize. You just have to make clear what kind of guy you are from the start.

Post: #104

(06-08-2014 02:25 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 02:04 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  Obviously, without marriage, these two problems don't exist. The dissolution of your relationship doesn't result in any division of assets. And there's no paternity by estoppel (generally, there might be an exception) if you aren't married. As long as you are smart enough to get DNA testing early on, you won't need to worry about cuckoldry if you decide to (and are persuasive enough to get your girlfriend to agree) have kids in a long-term cohabitating relationship. The worst that happens is that your girlfriend cheats on you, you feel bad, kick her to the curb, and the relationship ends. Oh well, nothing lasts forever, and you can move onto fresher pussy (if you weren't already cheating on her).

More women are down for this arrangement than you might realize. You just have to make clear what kind of guy you are from the start.

This is good to know. By the start, what time frame are we realistically talking? How does this work in practice? I'm envisioning like a non-chalant offhand comment after a few bangs about how you don't believe in marriage.

Post: #105

Don't plan it. Just be authentic in your interactions and women will pick up on it. They're very intuitive and will know if you're a 'marriage' guy or not. The ones who are dead set on getting married will likely self select out of your life before it even comes up. Women today seem to be hypersensitive to being told what to do. Leading by authority doesn't work quite like it used to but that's ok - it's usually a crappy leadership style anyway. Instead use their fantasies to steer the relationship in the direction you want. At the core of most women's fantasies is the idea of pleasing a man she respects. Be that man and let her know what pleases you - she'll likely be down with it. Don't be judgemental, just listen to them when they start talking about what they fantasize about. Girls are freaks. If they haven't done it - they've thought about it. When she talks about something you don't approve of just nod and don't pursue it. When she talks about something you're into then ask her more questions and go down that path. It's classic 'let her think she thought of it' game. You can get just about any relationship you want that way provided you are the kind of man she wants to please.

Post: #106

(06-08-2014 03:12 PM)Ensam Wrote:  Don't plan it. Just be authentic in your interactions and women will pick up on it. They're very intuitive and will know if you're a 'marriage' guy or not. The ones who are dead set on getting married will likely self select out of your life before it even comes up. Women today seem to be hypersensitive to being told what to do. Leading by authority doesn't work quite like it used to but that's ok - it's usually a crappy leadership style anyway. Instead use their fantasies to steer the relationship in the direction you want. At the core of most women's fantasies is the idea of pleasing a man she respects. Be that man and let her know what pleases you - she'll likely be down with it. Don't be judgemental, just listen to them when they start talking about what they fantasize about. Girls are freaks. If they haven't done it - they've thought about it. When she talks about something you don't approve of just nod and don't pursue it. When she talks about something you're into then ask her more questions and go down that path. It's classic 'let her think she thought of it' game. You can get just about any relationship you want that way provided you are the kind of man she wants to please.

Hmm that's fair.

I've had a few girls tell me that they think I would make a "great boyfriend." I think I inadvertently give off that "good guy" vibe, despite the fact that when I'm dating these girls I do none of the "good boyfriend" stuff. The girls are pretty happy and treat me very well, but I'm worried this oddly unshakeable "good guy" persona they've built into their heads about me will lead them to think I will eventually marry them.

Post: #107

(06-08-2014 03:23 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  Hmm that's fair.

I've had a few girls tell me that they think I would make a "great boyfriend." I think I inadvertently give off that "good guy" vibe, despite the fact that when I'm dating these girls I do none of the "good boyfriend" stuff. The girls are pretty happy and treat me very well, but I'm worried this oddly unshakeable "good guy" persona they've built into their heads about me will lead them to think I will eventually marry them.

Even with good girls you can easily tell them that you don't want to be married, because the legal system is just crazy now. Nowadays many more people are even having children without marriage, so it is not much of a problem to many women. Of course if you are a Beta sod, then that is a problem, since that was the main thing going for you.

But especially with having a kid your baby-momma has to be thoroughly Red-Pill-tested before. Best is if your girlfriend accepts the Red Pill. If not, then I would not advocate a LTR anyway.

To be one of the plates she can be hot and crazy. To be in a LTR she must be more Red Pill and pleasant around. To be mother material she has to be 100% Red Pill, intelligent, hot & a very very good person with little flaws that I can live with - also she must have a personality that I know won't cause problems even if we break up after having a kid. Those are basically my rules and I would recommend them to anyone.

Post: #108

(06-08-2014 03:23 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  I've had a few girls tell me that they think I would make a "great boyfriend." I think I inadvertently give off that "good guy" vibe, despite the fact that when I'm dating these girls I do none of the "good boyfriend" stuff. The girls are pretty happy and treat me very well, but I'm worried this oddly unshakeable "good guy" persona they've built into their heads about me will lead them to think I will eventually marry them.

Just curious:

Are you a laid-back and cruisey 'go with the flow' guy when you're with them?

Or do you ever frustrate them in the relationship by doing things for yourself that they can derive no direct benefit from?

Post: #109

(06-08-2014 04:23 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 03:23 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  I've had a few girls tell me that they think I would make a "great boyfriend." I think I inadvertently give off that "good guy" vibe, despite the fact that when I'm dating these girls I do none of the "good boyfriend" stuff. The girls are pretty happy and treat me very well, but I'm worried this oddly unshakeable "good guy" persona they've built into their heads about me will lead them to think I will eventually marry them.

Just curious:

Are you a laid-back and cruisey 'go with the flow' guy when you're with them?

Or do you ever frustrate them in the relationship by doing things for yourself that they can derive no direct benefit from?

I would describe my style as laid back, chill, nonchalant. I don't actively do stuff to frustrate them, but if there is something i don't want to do, i just don't do it. I don't argue or make a fuss about it, but I generally make it pretty clear through my actions that they aren't going to be able to tell me what to do.

Post: #110

(06-08-2014 05:04 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 04:23 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 03:23 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  I've had a few girls tell me that they think I would make a "great boyfriend." I think I inadvertently give off that "good guy" vibe, despite the fact that when I'm dating these girls I do none of the "good boyfriend" stuff. The girls are pretty happy and treat me very well, but I'm worried this oddly unshakeable "good guy" persona they've built into their heads about me will lead them to think I will eventually marry them.

Just curious:

Are you a laid-back and cruisey 'go with the flow' guy when you're with them?

Or do you ever frustrate them in the relationship by doing things for yourself that they can derive no direct benefit from?

I would describe my style as laid back, chill, nonchalant. I don't actively do stuff to frustrate them, but if there is something i don't want to do, i just don't do it. I don't argue or make a fuss about it, but I generally make it pretty clear through my actions that they aren't going to be able to tell me what to do.

Yeah, don't worry about the marriage signal thing: they're probably just stating you're a chill guy who seems easy to get along with because things usually don't blow up, or they're fishing for you to qualify what their relationship to them is in your eyes.

Post: #111

(06-08-2014 05:24 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 05:04 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 04:23 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 03:23 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  I've had a few girls tell me that they think I would make a "great boyfriend." I think I inadvertently give off that "good guy" vibe, despite the fact that when I'm dating these girls I do none of the "good boyfriend" stuff. The girls are pretty happy and treat me very well, but I'm worried this oddly unshakeable "good guy" persona they've built into their heads about me will lead them to think I will eventually marry them.

Just curious:

Are you a laid-back and cruisey 'go with the flow' guy when you're with them?

Or do you ever frustrate them in the relationship by doing things for yourself that they can derive no direct benefit from?

I would describe my style as laid back, chill, nonchalant. I don't actively do stuff to frustrate them, but if there is something i don't want to do, i just don't do it. I don't argue or make a fuss about it, but I generally make it pretty clear through my actions that they aren't going to be able to tell me what to do.

Yeah, don't worry about the marriage signal thing: they're probably just stating you're a chill guy who seems easy to get along with because things usually don't blow up, or they're fishing for you to qualify what their relationship to them is in your eyes.

Thanks, good to know.

Post: #112

I want to go to an american uni

Post: #113

Military servicemen can't be that naive about the idea of their wives/girlfriends fucking around during their deployment.... right?

Post: #114

This video disgusts me.

I'm not saying I'm not a bitter, jaded, cold-hearted fuck, but I call 'em like I see 'em.

Shit, blowing/fucking guys is actually part of he hazing in a lot of sororities in party schools. They are, quite literally, slut training camps. I have a serious soft spot or guys who get cheated on.

Post: #115

(06-08-2014 02:04 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  ....

Obviously, without marriage, these two problems don't exist. The dissolution of your relationship doesn't result in any division of assets. And there's no paternity by estoppel (generally, there might be an exception) if you aren't married. As long as you are smart enough to get DNA testing early on, you won't need to worry about cuckoldry if you decide to (and are persuasive enough to get your girlfriend to agree) have kids in a long-term cohabitating relationship. The worst that happens is that your girlfriend cheats on you, you feel bad, kick her to the curb, and the relationship ends. Oh well, nothing lasts forever, and you can move onto fresher pussy (if you weren't already cheating on her).

this is a great plan compared to alternatives. however, just to play devils advocate:
1) marriage is legal titanium. paternity by estoppel is good for preventing cuckoldry. but you can still get fucked if you are living with the woman. i haven't taken community property yet, but something about living in the same household for a years is like a contractual marriage where they will be entitled to half
2) also what isn't covered in this scheme is cuckoldry after you have had one legitimate child

i may have to question myself a little more strongly if i truly do want children...

Post: #116

(06-11-2014 12:21 AM)godofwar Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 02:04 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  ....

Obviously, without marriage, these two problems don't exist. The dissolution of your relationship doesn't result in any division of assets. And there's no paternity by estoppel (generally, there might be an exception) if you aren't married. As long as you are smart enough to get DNA testing early on, you won't need to worry about cuckoldry if you decide to (and are persuasive enough to get your girlfriend to agree) have kids in a long-term cohabitating relationship. The worst that happens is that your girlfriend cheats on you, you feel bad, kick her to the curb, and the relationship ends. Oh well, nothing lasts forever, and you can move onto fresher pussy (if you weren't already cheating on her).

this is a great plan compared to alternatives. however, just to play devils advocate:
1) marriage is legal titanium. paternity by estoppel is good for preventing cuckoldry. but you can still get fucked if you are living with the woman. i haven't taken community property yet, but something about living in the same household for a years is like a contractual marriage where they will be entitled to half
2) also what isn't covered in this scheme is cuckoldry after you have had one legitimate child

i may have to question myself a little more strongly if i truly do want children...

Wait, how does paternity by estoppel prevent cuckoldry? Isn't it the reverse, because the courts will assume it is your child even if all facts point otherwise?

I know new york does not allow for common law marriage, but it will recognize other states' common law marriages for full faith and credit.