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You want advice on how to break up her marriage?

Tape you and her, send him the evidence

Otherwise you're bullshitting us.

WIA

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(06-04-2014 10:09 PM)The Father Wrote:  Look, some of you guys are gonna tell me I'm an a-hole for doing this, and some of you will tell me I'm nuts for even trying b/c the girl is a garden variety slut who will eventually do the same to me, but here goes:

I've gotten involved with a married woman who lives in a nearby city. She told me how close she was to leaving her husband and how much in love she is with me, and I assumed she'd leave him for me. This is a woman I've known for years (we started out as friends) and I often wished she was with me. We've had amazing sex and an emotional connection...but she isn't leaving her husband. Lots of excuses. It could be she isn't ready yet...women luv to rip the bandaid off slowly on all things; why should this be an exception. Or it could be that she never plans to leave him, she just needed some strange and has the hots for me.

Here's the thing: I started out WANTING her to leave him and be with me. The more I've gotten to know her...well, I'm reminded of the old saying, "You lose 'em like you find 'em". I'd be afraid to wife her up, give her a baby...and have her get board with ME and cheat on me in a few years!

Still, I want her to leave the other guy and give it try. Stupid, I know.

Anyway, here's the game question: She's playing a bit of a shit test by telling me "I'm confused...when I'm with you, I'm so in love with you and I see myself leaving Bob but then when you leave town it's like I slip back to my old routine and I'm just confused what to do" [Translation: "It's really nice having both of you at my beck and call...I haven't decided which one of you to discard like a used Kleenex because I'm such a prize...this is really hard you should feel sorry for me".] How do I respond? On the one hand, when I withdraw, she seems to be jealous and sad and chases me. So part of me wants to say "yeah, see ya when you finally sort your deal out...hasta manana". But part of me feels that's a losing strategy...remember, the other guy is there 7 days a week and leaves with her; I see her every other weekend (though we text daily, first thing in the AM and last thing at night).

So do I walk away and hope she chases me? OR do I spend more time down there and try to pull her into my orbit.

We are already having the best sex of my life, so maybe pulling back jeopardizes that. But I want more: I want her to leave that other guy for me; maybe it's just an ego trip. But that's what i want.

I would welcome serious suggestions on my next move. If you're going to tell me what an ass i am for doing this, i already know that so you don't need to post.

Note what I highlighted.

1. Never assume with a woman.

2. Believe a woman's ACTIONS, not her words.

3. Whether you like it or not, I'm letting you know: fucking with married women is problematic because it directly ignores the Law of Abundance. There's millions of women you could bang/date, but you're focused on this one, who won't even leave her husband for you.

4. I had a friend who went through the same exact scenario you're going through. She finally cut him off and for his karma? Wound up in prison on something unrelated and more of a freak incident. His karma? Maybe.

5. What you're doing right NOW isn't making her want to leave her husband, so where's the logic in thinking that if you spend MORE time with her that'll suddenly make her leave him? It doesn't. Women don't respond to logic. If you're really wanting her despite my advice, your best bet is Dread Game and to pull away.

6. Get more girls going. You're so wrapped up in this chick you can't see the bigger picture. It happens to all of us, myself included, but it's a losing battle that only has one ending: You won't have her. Period.

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Dating married women = pure alpha!

You're doing society a job by releasing stress from a bitch that isn't satisfied.

So, I'm confused. You said one thing, then the opposite, then the opposite again. So you want her or not? This is simple, married broads are easy to dump. Remember, she cheated on him! So what is stopping her from cheating on you while you are away and she's at home?

As always, if she puts a shit tests.....play it cooley and ignore her. If she gets jealous then you are doing something right. Don't be jealous of the hubby, he's there 7 days a fuck but she's still fucking you! Well, you're fucking her. Same thing.

REMEMBER: IF SHE CHEATED ON HIM, WHAT'S STOPPING HER FROM CHEATING ON YOU IF Y'ALL GET TOGETHER?

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Oh yeah, tape a sex video and send it to him.....for some reason that makes me happy whenever I do it.

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Do you really want to be married to her or do you want to keep having sex with her?

You're taking a huge risk with the former.

Also, don't forget, she may just be using you and will leave in a heartbeat. You sound attached to her and it could devastate you.

The above happened to me a while back so I'm speaking from experience.

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You fuck married women, you don't get into relationships with them.

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Oh.. And to reiterate because it's relevant; you sound like you're falling for her.. Not good.

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(06-04-2014 10:19 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  So, I'm confused. You said one thing, then the opposite, then the opposite again. So you want her or not? This is simple, married broads are easy to dump. Remember, she cheated on him! So what is stopping her from cheating on you while you are away and she's at home?

You are correctly observing my confusion. See, i used to think she was a good girl and wanted to be with her. Then she cheated on her husband with me, revealing herself to be a low-character woman, but rationalized it by saying "well she's basically done with him and will leave soon to be with me, so what difference does it make if we get a head start on that". But now that she's not leaving and she has revealed herself as just a slut who needs some strange...but my mind is still stuck where i see her as a good girl who will make me happy. Stupid, I know!

(06-04-2014 10:19 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  As always, if she puts a shit tests.....play it cooley and ignore her. If she gets jealous then you are doing something right. Don't be jealous of the hubby, he's there 7 days a fuck but she's still fucking you! Well, you're fucking her. Same thing.

That's probably right. She's not even sleeping with the hubby... so she says...but i believe her, having been the husband in a prior marriage!

(06-04-2014 10:19 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  REMEMBER: IF SHE CHEATED ON HIM, WHAT'S STOPPING HER FROM CHEATING ON YOU IF Y'ALL GET TOGETHER?

Nothing. She's a horn dog. That's what makes this ridiculous...I'm not even sure i WANT to be with her anymore...but i do want her to leave him for me.

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(06-04-2014 10:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Oh.. And to reiterate because it's relevant; you sound like you're falling for her.. Not good.

I am and I know.

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(06-04-2014 10:19 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 10:09 PM)The Father Wrote:  Look, some of you guys are gonna tell me I'm an a-hole for doing this, and some of you will tell me I'm nuts for even trying b/c the girl is a garden variety slut who will eventually do the same to me, but here goes:

I've gotten involved with a married woman who lives in a nearby city. She told me how close she was to leaving her husband and how much in love she is with me, and I assumed she'd leave him for me. This is a woman I've known for years (we started out as friends) and I often wished she was with me. We've had amazing sex and an emotional connection...but she isn't leaving her husband. Lots of excuses. It could be she isn't ready yet...women luv to rip the bandaid off slowly on all things; why should this be an exception. Or it could be that she never plans to leave him, she just needed some strange and has the hots for me.

Here's the thing: I started out WANTING her to leave him and be with me. The more I've gotten to know her...well, I'm reminded of the old saying, "You lose 'em like you find 'em". I'd be afraid to wife her up, give her a baby...and have her get board with ME and cheat on me in a few years!

Still, I want her to leave the other guy and give it try. Stupid, I know.

Anyway, here's the game question: She's playing a bit of a shit test by telling me "I'm confused...when I'm with you, I'm so in love with you and I see myself leaving Bob but then when you leave town it's like I slip back to my old routine and I'm just confused what to do" [Translation: "It's really nice having both of you at my beck and call...I haven't decided which one of you to discard like a used Kleenex because I'm such a prize...this is really hard you should feel sorry for me".] How do I respond? On the one hand, when I withdraw, she seems to be jealous and sad and chases me. So part of me wants to say "yeah, see ya when you finally sort your deal out...hasta manana". But part of me feels that's a losing strategy...remember, the other guy is there 7 days a week and leaves with her; I see her every other weekend (though we text daily, first thing in the AM and last thing at night).

So do I walk away and hope she chases me? OR do I spend more time down there and try to pull her into my orbit.

We are already having the best sex of my life, so maybe pulling back jeopardizes that. But I want more: I want her to leave that other guy for me; maybe it's just an ego trip. But that's what i want.

I would welcome serious suggestions on my next move. If you're going to tell me what an ass i am for doing this, i already know that so you don't need to post.

Note what I highlighted.

1. Never assume with a woman.

2. Believe a woman's ACTIONS, not her words.

3. Whether you like it or not, I'm letting you know: fucking with married women is problematic because it directly ignores the Law of Abundance. There's millions of women you could bang/date, but you're focused on this one, who won't even leave her husband for you.

4. I had a friend who went through the same exact scenario you're going through. She finally cut him off and for his karma? Wound up in prison on something unrelated and more of a freak incident. His karma? Maybe.

5. What you're doing right NOW isn't making her want to leave her husband, so where's the logic in thinking that if you spend MORE time with her that'll suddenly make her leave him? It doesn't. Women don't respond to logic. If you're really wanting her despite my advice, your best bet is Dread Game and to pull away.

6. Get more girls going. You're so wrapped up in this chick you can't see the bigger picture. It happens to all of us, myself included, but it's a losing battle that only has one ending: You won't have her. Period.

Pure gold, and exactly what i needed to hear. Thank you.

How do i play Dread Game in this case? My sense is to just go cold (she hates that!) and also to post Facebook photos of me having a good time with other hot girls (hates that even more!). But then, at some point in a couple of weeks, say "Hey I'm gonna be in your city this weekend, wanna get together?" See, i don't want to vanish altogether - i still want that ass. Also, disappearing completely seems a little butthurt...and at my age I'm totally opposed to being butthurt!

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^Dread Game is essentially cooling off. If she chases then you still 'have' her. If she doesn't then you have your answer and why waste anymore time with her?

The going cold is not bad, I'd be more aloof and the ole FB photos always stirs up female jealousy, but I wouldn't make it seem obvious, just when you're living your life and seeing other girls then post the photos.

Takes discipline to step away, but it's the only way to enact Dread Game. There's other more direct ways to use DG, but in this case I don't think it's necessary. Just go radio silent and focus on other girls. Once you start piping new girls, you'll realize she's not all that, she'll sense that and more than likely chase you.

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This broad has the best of both worlds here OP.

Now, just in case you didn't realise… SHE'S NOT GOING TO LEAVE HER HUSBAND.

Sorry to be blunt.

I think DG would help you too actually; you need a bit of space to come to your senses on this one.

Videotapes and shit is just childish and could very well backfire spectacularly.

Post: #14

For your own good, I really hope that she does not leave her husband.

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I hope that she leaves her current husband and you marry her and she cheats on you.

I am going to be blunt, I have no sympathy for you.

Not just because you sleep with a married woman, which I consider a casual player's sin not a mortal player's sin but a player's sin nonetheless, but because you are voluntary getting played by her. And you are even using game and advice of RVF members to get played by her even better.

You have oneitis and you think it is excusable because you have oneitis for a married woman. You think it makes it more badass. Well I do not share that sentiment.

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(06-05-2014 06:13 AM)Mage Wrote:  IYou have oneitis and you think it is excusable because you have oneitis for a married woman. You think it makes it more badass. Well I do not share that sentiment.

I am not 12. I do not think about (or care) what is "badass". I've known this woman many years and have fallen for her. So sue me.

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I will refrain from judging your moral character. After all, circumstances are crucial in such situations and as human beings, we act upon such circumstances.

Christian hit the nail on the head (as usual) and I just have a few thoughts concerning this.

People fall in love when the presence of the other is taken away and they building up a magical reality around their own in order to include that person.
Such a reality is a sum of the past and the good times spent together along with their lack of abundance mentality which clouds their judgment.

If I have gotten this correct, you are falling for a married woman and you have already created a future projection in which you two are together. I have been many-a-time on the same side of the fence, the sly jackal hunting the easy prey. The ones which want attention, good sex or emotional connection i.e what ever is missing from their lives.

You seem to be aware of this, as you mentioned she may cheat on you yet you still want to give it a try. You voluntarily want to endure the negative period of emotional stress, investment withdrawal and undoubtedly, bringing drama to other peoples' lives. I admire your courage to pursue what you want but notice you are framing it as a need. You are addicted to her and probably the feeling of superiority over her husband hence you want to continue.

At this point, lets look at her 'shit-test'; I wouldn't really call it such. You can view it as that or you can view it as an invitation to man up. When she is confused, she wants you -the man- to man up and lead her away from this chaos. I bet you 10 bucks she didn't tell her husband she is confused. It is not a fair battle, she is giving you the intel for a reason. She wants you to do this, she wants that feeling of being desired unlike her husbands (likely) waning emotions for her.

Your decision making ability and your emotional maturity will be the deciding factors in how your relationship with this woman turns out to be.

Stop living in the past and caressing your emotions which you have ever-so-carefully groomed towards this woman. Live in the present. Look at your life right now that she is married and not with you. Nothing is wrong; nothing is unattainable. She is another woman which you have trapped yourself into wanting based off your previous interactions and the investment. If you bought a car and it was depreciating by the week, would you sit around and hope it magically shoots up in value or would you count your losses and move on?

This whole relationship is on her terms because you have none. She has plenty due to the consequences of her actions therefore she is the rule-setter. This is the essence of McQueen's post. You make the rules, you set the frame and you dictate what you want out of this. By applying 'dread' game, jealousy tactics etc. you inevitably show your power by not risking anything as this is what attracts her.

The trick is does she want you hard enough to overlook the fact that you believe she is not worth the risk? (don't be silly, she definitely is not worth the risk- married, potentially over 30, emotional baggage etc.)

You just want some spice in your love life, maybe some excitement and a cool story to tell. I don't think you will find it here.

I have fucked married women, girls with boyfriends and ex girlfriends over again. The theme is constant. They want to feel wanted when the facebook likes fade, when their husbands aren't home, when they are having a dry patch. Nomad77 had a post about women 'using' men.

You need common sense to walk away. You need discipline to stay away once the walking away evokes the emotions of losing you and spikes her desire.

I wish you the best but you already know what to do. I just don't understand why some guys want drama and unnecessary shit in their life.

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(06-05-2014 07:04 AM)The Father Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 06:13 AM)Mage Wrote:  IYou have oneitis and you think it is excusable because you have oneitis for a married woman. You think it makes it more badass. Well I do not share that sentiment.

I am not 12. I do not think about (or care) what is "badass". I've known this woman many years and have fallen for her. So sue me.

LOL, everybody cares for what is badass. They just learn to call it by a different name.

You have fallen before a woman. So pathetic. I cannot respect you because you have no self-respect.

Post: #19

Find another girl. Or two. Or three. Seriously.

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You have 88 posts and 1 rep point, but I'm smelling something a little off here...


But i'll bite, you're trying to steal a girl away from a man and the girl is willing to do it. Her character is in full color, what makes you think she won't up and leave you when Gmanifesto rolls on through?

It works in pennystocks and it works here as well, pump and dump.

Post: #21

Pump and dump. If she will fuck around with you, she will fuck around on you. The worst thing you can do is believe your own bullshit. And by bullshit I mean that she would "only do it for you".

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I've seen this movie before bro

The evil truth is she will string you along for now until you wisen up

IF in fact she is as crazy about you as you are for her then it really on comes down to a choice on her part

You vs Her current lifestyle

One more evil truth: She CAN/WILL replace you

But she can't necessarily replace her current lifestyle

Comfort trumps Cock

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(06-04-2014 10:35 PM)The Father Wrote:  You are correctly observing my confusion. See, i used to think she was a good girl and wanted to be with her. Then she cheated on her husband with me, revealing herself to be a low-character woman, but rationalized it by saying "well she's basically done with him and will leave soon to be with me, so what difference does it make if we get a head start on that". But now that she's not leaving and she has revealed herself as just a slut who needs some strange...but my mind is still stuck where i see her as a good girl who will make me happy. Stupid, I know!

She's trying to fuck with you. Let it be as it stands. You have the best of both worlds. You fuck her and you are free from her nagging that she does at home, her hubby takes that. That's why I love married women, because betweeen me and them....it's just going out and/or fucking. No "my brother/son did this" or "omg you won't believe what stacy did!".

Quote:That's probably right. She's not even sleeping with the hubby... so she says...but i believe her, having been the husband in a prior marriage!

Ok then, don't worry. The ball is in your court and she is the one chasing for you. Use this leverage and don't be a beta orbiter. Show her that you have other options

Quote:Nothing. She's a horn dog. That's what makes this ridiculous...I'm not even sure i WANT to be with her anymore...but i do want her to leave him for me.

It's just an ego thing. I know how this feels and it's hypocritical of me to say this because I've been in your position......YOU DO NOT WANT HER.

Ok, so lets say you got her. Then what? You will get bored, you won't be able to bang other women and most importantly....you will be constantly checking on her making sure she doesn't fuck other guys because you know if she did with you, she can do it to you.

That will eat you alive, checking on her in addition to not being able to bang other bishes. It's happened to me a few times. I don't know what I exactly want, but I want her to leave him for me......it's an ego thing.

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(06-05-2014 08:18 AM)frenchie Wrote:  You have 88 posts and 1 rep point, but I'm smelling something a little off here...


But i'll bite, you're trying to steal a girl away from a man and the girl is willing to do it. Her character is in full color, what makes you think she won't up and leave you when Gmanifesto rolls on through?

It works in pennystocks and it works here as well, pump and dump.

Nothing off, other than a momentary lapse of weakness into oneitis. I'm the first guy to call people on that, so I deserve to be humbled now that I'm the one who went wobbly. It's not b/c she's married. It's because she's stunning and I've wanted her for many years, and now I have her...sort of :/

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(06-05-2014 02:45 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  I've seen this movie before bro

The evil truth is she will string you along for now until you wisen up

IF in fact she is as crazy about you as you are for her then it really on comes down to a choice on her part

You vs Her current lifestyle

One more evil truth: She CAN/WILL replace you

But she can't necessarily replace her current lifestyle

Comfort trumps Cock

While I don't disagree with what you say, I'm not sure it is applicable in this instance; I make way more than her husband. So I can give her a better lifestyle. I think she just wants some strange D. BTW, the absurdity of this isn't lost on me: A beautiful woman, whom I've lusted after for years, wants me for just sex...and I'm upset b/c I want more. I should just go home and put on a sanitary napkin right now...