Post: #1

I am coming to the conclusion that being a high value man who is always improving will have a hard time sticking in a relationship. From my recent experiences, women become very insecure if they see you are constantly improving. They will try to bring you down to their level, by means of shit tests, offering you ultimatums (i.e. breaking up with you). All to try and turn you into a beta and lose your frame. Ironically enough such a transformation which they desire, will end up with them losing attraction for you.

Im not even going to mention the intense desire to trade upwards yourself. Truth is, alpha males really make up a small percentage of the population. If you are reading RoK or other manosphere material, you are already doing far better than the majority of the male population.

So what is the best way around this ?
Being in my early 20s makes me still new to all of this. But honestly spinning plates seems to be a far better option than having some woman drag you down.

Post: #2

(06-04-2014 03:22 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Being in my early 20s makes me still new to all of this. But honestly spinning plates seems to be a far better option than having some woman drag you down.

Well, duh.....

And in other news, the Pope is a Catholic.

Post: #3

I have found the opposite to be true.

Females get obsessed. Fall hard for you. To the point where it is hard to break it off, because you are shattering her whole world.

It's hard out there for a pimp.

Post: #4

(06-04-2014 03:34 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  I have found the opposite to be true.

Females get obsessed. Fall hard for you. To the point where it is hard to break it off, because you are shattering her whole world.

It's hard out there for a pimp.

You never found that they get jealous and too insecure ?

Post: #5

I've found OP to be true...

Is that because I'm beta or Alpha?!?!?!?! ha

Post: #6

(06-04-2014 03:39 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 03:34 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  I have found the opposite to be true.

Females get obsessed. Fall hard for you. To the point where it is hard to break it off, because you are shattering her whole world.

It's hard out there for a pimp.

You never found that they get jealous and too insecure ?

yeah they get extremely insecure. It's annoying as hell. One ex used to always ask me if I thought she was pretty and would tell me she loved me at least 10 times a day.

Same thing with jealousy. Although the jealousy normally manifests itself as insecurity, because I won't deal with a violently jealous bitch.

edit - I see where the confusion came from, I misread the your original post. I just saw the "breaking up as a shit test" thing, not the party where you brought up the insecurity.

Post: #7

(06-04-2014 03:39 PM)heavy Wrote:  I've found OP to be true...

Is that because I'm beta or Alpha?!?!?!?! ha

Only a zeta male would ask such a question

Post: #8

(06-04-2014 03:48 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 03:39 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 03:34 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  I have found the opposite to be true.

Females get obsessed. Fall hard for you. To the point where it is hard to break it off, because you are shattering her whole world.

It's hard out there for a pimp.

You never found that they get jealous and too insecure ?

yeah they get extremely insecure. It's annoying as hell. One ex used to always ask me if I thought she was pretty and would tell me she loved me at least 10 times a day.

Same thing with jealousy. Although the jealousy normally manifests itself as insecurity, because I won't deal with a violently jealous bitch.

edit - I see where the confusion came from, I misread the your original post. I just saw the "breaking up as a shit test" thing, not the party where you brought up the insecurity.

It all seems harmless, fun and games; but in the long term I see this as a form of subversion. Not the small petty stuff, but the constant shit tests, to see if you are emotionally invested in them.

Post: #9

Best case scenario - they follow your lead and up their game as well

Worst case -they feel insecure, try to knock you down a peg, wonder aloud "who are YOU trying to impress"?

Look at it as you shit-tasting her, she is either forced to take action to due to all the new attention you will be getting

or

Face the very real threat of having you leave for greener pastures

Both options benefit you, because who no man wants to be a woman who is so comfortable in the relationship that she stops improving

Post: #10

(06-04-2014 03:22 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I am coming to the conclusion that being a high value man who is always improving will have a hard time sticking in a relationship. From my recent experiences, women become very insecure if they see you are constantly improving. They will try to bring you down to their level, by means of shit tests, offering you ultimatums (i.e. breaking up with you). All to try and turn you into a beta and lose your frame. Ironically enough such a transformation which they desire, will end up with them losing attraction for you.

Im not even going to mention the intense desire to trade upwards yourself. Truth is, alpha males really make up a small percentage of the population. If you are reading RoK or other manosphere material, you are already doing far better than the majority of the male population.

So what is the best way around this ?
Being in my early 20s makes me still new to all of this. But honestly spinning plates seems to be a far better option than having some woman drag you down.

I think the most helpful perspective is that most likely on any given day the girl you're with is emotionally a child. what would you do if she was really a child? if the child is yours you aren't going to give them up for adoption if they are misbehaving, you're going to do your best to get them to learn to behave themselves. if they're not your child then it's not your problem. the best part is that many women will actively agree with this metaphor despite how incredibly condescending it is.

to more directly answer your question... there are many factors that influence your decision on whether to have a gf, ie. are you too busy to go out and pull? or your location particular bad for you pulling? sometimes it is ok to have a relationship

Post: #11

Since I discovered the Manosphere and started strengthening my frame, my wife shit tests me hard every so often. I maintain my frame and it puts her back into a "devoted follower" position for about two weeks or so, then she will repeat it. If she pushes too hard, I let her clearly know that her behavior is unacceptable, then withdraw. She always chases and apologizes because the implication is that I can easily replace her. It's really important to keep it up and gets easier to maintain your frame over time.

Post: #12

(06-04-2014 03:22 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I am coming to the conclusion that being a high value man who is always improving will have a hard time sticking in a relationship. From my recent experiences, women become very insecure if they see you are constantly improving. They will try to bring you down to their level, by means of shit tests, offering you ultimatums (i.e. breaking up with you). All to try and turn you into a beta and lose your frame. Ironically enough such a transformation which they desire, will end up with them losing attraction for you.

Im not even going to mention the intense desire to trade upwards yourself. Truth is, alpha males really make up a small percentage of the population. If you are reading RoK or other manosphere material, you are already doing far better than the majority of the male population.

So what is the best way around this ?
Being in my early 20s makes me still new to all of this. But honestly spinning plates seems to be a far better option than having some woman drag you down.

My ex-gf was like this. She was a 6 at best but had a nice sweet disposition until she saw that I was on a mission to be the best and make my mark on the world. Then she got super needy and blamed me for all her issues and said I abused her mentally. Typical american female....

Post: #13

relationships are overrated, yes I get it if you want a family and are over 30-35 but generally speaking women are my play things and I use them in my free time

Post: #14

(06-09-2014 05:47 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  Since I discovered the Manosphere and started strengthening my frame, my wife shit tests me hard every so often. I maintain my frame and it puts her back into a "devoted follower" position for about two weeks or so, then she will repeat it. If she pushes too hard, I let her clearly know that her behavior is unacceptable, then withdraw. She always chases and apologizes because the implication is that I can easily replace her. It's really important to keep it up and gets easier to maintain your frame over time.

Oh do I have stories for you my friend.