Post: #26

I moved out in 2005 when I was 23 after getting my first fulltime job. Bought a house a few years later at 25. Guess it all depends on how you were raised and when.

Post: #27

(06-03-2014 09:45 PM)la_mode Wrote:  Living at home doesn't affect a female's dating value, but can truly be the "kiss of death" for a male.

It is, since it shows you don't have the drive, guts, luck and/or success to pay even for a room.

My easiest bangs have been with girls living alone. If they still live with their families, they have seen less of the world, taken less cocks deep and expect the boyfriend experience. Motels or sdl are quite complicated.

Post: #28

(06-03-2014 09:49 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 09:45 PM)la_mode Wrote:  Living at home doesn't affect a female's dating value, but can truly be the "kiss of death" for a male.

yup, that's my biggest inner game issue. 28 and currently living with my mom.

It is an inner game issue, as some of my friends still live with their parents at 30, and have had more bangs than me, living alone since 27. You just need the proper mindset.

That is not to say that living alone would greatly improve your logistics and maturity as a man.

Post: #29

Interesting observation - they're not counting college students. Is it getting higher because of a young population increase or because of unemployed/ underemployed graduates?

Post: #30

(06-05-2014 09:26 AM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  I moved out in 2005 when I was 23 after getting my first fulltime job. Bought a house a few years later at 25. Guess it all depends on how you were raised and when.

How did you manage that? Owning a house is almost a pipedream these days, even for my mates in finance.

Post: #31

(06-05-2014 11:15 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 09:26 AM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  I moved out in 2005 when I was 23 after getting my first fulltime job. Bought a house a few years later at 25. Guess it all depends on how you were raised and when.

How did you manage that? Owning a house is almost a pipedream these days, even for my mates in finance.

I lived in Baton Rouge when I first moved out and rented, a nice secure condo only cost me $650 a month. However it also helped that I made $43k a year when I was 23.

Buying a house is easy living in a cheap part of the country, I paid ~$115k in 2006 for a 3 year old house with a 1 acre yard.

Downside to living in this place is being a smaller town there's fewer pussy options. Didn't really have getting laid in mind when picking a place to live, oops.

Post: #32

(06-05-2014 11:35 AM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:15 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 09:26 AM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  I moved out in 2005 when I was 23 after getting my first fulltime job. Bought a house a few years later at 25. Guess it all depends on how you were raised and when.

How did you manage that? Owning a house is almost a pipedream these days, even for my mates in finance.

I lived in Baton Rouge when I first moved out and rented, a nice secure condo only cost me $650 a month. However it also helped that I made $43k a year when I was 23.

Buying a house is easy living in a cheap part of the country, I paid ~$115k in 2006 for a 3 year old house with a 1 acre yard.

Downside to living in this place is being a smaller town there's fewer pussy options. Didn't really have getting laid in mind when picking a place to live, oops.

And you bought it at near record bubble prices. I would sell that price now that prices have been reflated, you don't know when the next crash will come. Much better to be liquid right now.

Also, what's hilarious is that you would have been better off, pussy wise, had you skipped college and learned game in a bustling town like Baton Rogue. Especially Swing dancing, it's huge down there. Just goes to show that money without knowledge is worthless. Still, don't let me get you down. You've got everything set up in place to crush it, pussy wise, if you wanted to. Sell that house and go someplace more central you will be a happy man.

Post: #33

Living at home can be a great option.

During college, I stayed at home and saved thousands of dollars

After college, I worked full time making good money, stayed at home, and was able to save tens of thousands of dollars.

With the money I saved, I was able to buy a condo!

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Once, I wanted to move out, my grandmother said..

"Why do you want to give your money away?"

Renting is a waste of money?"

"Stay home and save your money?"

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I live in a very expensive city. A 1 bedroom apartment rents for 2500 dollars.

Staying home and saving money is often a wise choice for young people who are still getting established.

I have a few friends were also able to buy real estate due to staying home and saving money for a few years.

Their parents encouraged them to do it.

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Besides saving money, the other benefit is that it allows families to spend time together.

Spending time with your aging parents is a special thing.

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I'm not saying to live at home forever, but, if you can save a lot of money it might be a good option.

It was a great option for me as it allowed me to save nearly 100K. I never had to pay rent during college and I never had to pay rent my first few years of working. I just had to take care of my grandma which was actually a pleasure.

Sometimes, it's okay to sacrifice some pussy in order to get some money.

Money is more valuable than pussy.

Save your money and invest it!

Post: #34

(06-05-2014 06:29 AM)solo Wrote:  Whether or not the graph has been manipulated is not that relevant. The fNot to mention most jobs (if you even have a job, that is) are largely redundant (most doctors don't cure patients, most journalists don't inform the public, our school systems don't teach kids anything of value, most lawyers help ensure the implementation of laws that shouldn't even be there in the first place etc).

This is a great point, though I disagree with the doctor and teacher part. Doctors most definitely save lives every day. And without teachers we wouldn't know how to read or write. I'm not saying we have the best educational system in the world, but teachers are indispensable. But I do agree with your point overall. When I think about the jobs people have now, it's mostly bullshit that really contributes little to society. When people tell me they are a "director of pr and social media campaigns" or some shit, I have a hard time picturing exactly they do from 9-5 and what the worth of it is to society. You can make a ridiculous salary as a programmer for Snapchat or Instagram, more shit that creates nothing of any intrinsic worth, or even worse rather, just helps people become even less productive by turning them into social media addicts. When I lived in L.A. so much of the economy is tied to work of no inherent value. Media, TV, movies. Stuff that nobody really needs and that we would arguably be better off without.

Post: #35

The graph is somewhat misleading because in the 1990's everyone could get a real estate loan. Even without a job!

People were buying properties and selling them 2 years later at a profit.

This was the roots of the real estate bubble and the mortgage crises.

It was easy to move out. Everyone was buying stuff on credit and we were quietly going more and more into debt.

Many people I know were buying condos for their children.

Then, the bubble burst and recession hit.

The 1990's were a facade, things could not go on like that forever.

Getting a loan with no job, buying property and then selling it for a profit.

It was an artificial "bump and dump" scheme.

It lead to the government having to bail out the banks.

Post: #36

They didn't have to bail out the banks. They didn't do it in Iceland.

Post: #37

I was MGTOW before knowing what that meant, I spent my years in BR just working and doing my own thing oblivious to women.

(06-05-2014 11:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  And you bought it at near record bubble prices. I would sell that price now that prices have been reflated, you don't know when the next crash will come. Much better to be liquid right now.

Sell that house and go someplace more central you will be a happy man.

You read my mind, I noticed the value has gone up to what I paid in '06 so I'm in the process right now. My business finally has it's own office now so all my crap from there is gone from my pad, making it easy to downsize.

I'm seriously considering buying a large RV and snowbirding during winter once I am able to.

Post: #38

There's no social stigma attached to women living at home well into their 40's. Men however are losers if they don't have a job and their own place plus enough disposable income to pay for dinner dates by the time they're 25-30.

Part of the problem is that it takes 2 full time incomes just to survive. Cost of living is a bitch for the average person. I blame industrialization. By "liberating" women the workforce effectively doubled flooding the market with cheap labor which brought down the average salary. Now it takes 2 working adults to bring in what 1 man used to make. Don't you love progress?

Post: #39

(06-03-2014 07:18 PM)Screwston Wrote:  How many of these guys would drive to West Texas or North Dakota and get a job within 2 weeks that starts off at more than most new college graduates ? Nearly twice that much if you're willing to work a more dangerous one and get drenched in dirt, oil, gas. Its nasty, shitty work but damn man up and save up for a year or two then figure out a new game plan if your retarded degree ain't working.

This is a good suggestion and I for one may very well seek out a blue collar job myself again in the future. However, it is a solution on the micro (individual) level and and not on the macro (societal) level.

(06-05-2014 06:29 AM)solo Wrote:  By reading this forum I've learned that the people who benefit from inflation are the wealthy and the people who own stuff - if you own a peanut factory and peanut prices go up you make more money (credit: WestCoast, I think).

I forgot to mention that inflation also benefits the wealthy and owners of companies since people increase their spending when saving money start to make less sense. Not that most guys here didn't already know that, but still.

(06-05-2014 02:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 06:29 AM)solo Wrote:  Whether or not the graph has been manipulated is not that relevant. The fNot to mention most jobs (if you even have a job, that is) are largely redundant (most doctors don't cure patients, most journalists don't inform the public, our school systems don't teach kids anything of value, most lawyers help ensure the implementation of laws that shouldn't even be there in the first place etc).

This is a great point, though I disagree with the doctor and teacher part. Doctors most definitely save lives every day. And without teachers we wouldn't know how to read or write. I'm not saying we have the best educational system in the world, but teachers are indispensable. But I do agree with your point overall. When I think about the jobs people have now, it's mostly bullshit that really contributes little to society. When people tell me they are a "director of pr and social media campaigns" or some shit, I have a hard time picturing exactly they do from 9-5 and what the worth of it is to society. You can make a ridiculous salary as a programmer for Snapchat or Instagram, more shit that creates nothing of any intrinsic worth, or even worse rather, just helps people become even less productive by turning them into social media addicts. When I lived in L.A. so much of the economy is tied to work of no inherent value. Media, TV, movies. Stuff that nobody really needs and that we would arguably be better off without.

We can agree to disagree *slightly* but I think that is a topic for another thread. But yeah, it's amazing society doesn't completely stop working given how many people perform unnecessary or downright harmful jobs as you say. "We work jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need".

The best job I ever had, personally, was as a garbage picker. I picked up garbage from the street and emptied paper baskets. I got to be out and about and always on the move. I rather liked it and may look into it again actually. Decent money too. Unlike most jobs you could actually see the result of what you did during the day (clean streets).

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Basically what it is coming down to in the West for most guys is either have a job, in-debt yourself (since the rent is too high and the salary isn't high enough - talking from my own experience here) and live month-to-month. Or look into various kinds of alternative accommodation, save up some money so you can either outright buy a house or move/travel abroad.

It's really hard to save any significant money working a normal white collar jobs now unless you live in an area with unusually low housing prices or unusually high wages. Here in northern Europe I feel like it doesn't really pay to work anymore, at least not for my social bracket. Personally I have more or less dropped out of the rat race even before I had really started it. Instead I've started to try to make money in other ways. It's kind of hard but I'll keep trying. Basically I'm talking more or less along the lines of enjoying the decline (though I'm not making this into a conservative vs liberal issue). I may have a thread coming on this but Im unsure how much information I can or should post about it on a public forum.

Also, I don't make any major purchases (besides traveling). I don't own a car, tv or even smartphone. I don't pay into the system anymore. I was stupid enough to let the Higher Education Industrial Complex get to me and took student loans while I was at university. But let me tell you, I won't make that mistake again with the other industries which are looking to make money off of me. I won't take out a loan to buy a house or a car. Though buying an RV is an option for me too, if I did the math and it turned out to make financial sense, as it would possibly allow me to have somewhere cheap to live in between my travels.