Post: #126

Bryon, first of all I applaud your approach numbers! holy shit you are a monster! I am beginning to do day game and can only hope to rack up the number of approaches you have.

now - I don't want to derail this thread with the classic "direct vs indirect" discussion. but, do you ever run Roosh/Day Bang style indirect game? It seems to me that you are mostly running Krauser high energy insta-date game. have you tried following Roosh's advice to a T? day bang really focuses on numbers that lead to dates. it seems to me that in most of your somewhat successful approaches, you do well but totally "scare the cat." too much kino. what's up with all the hugging?

I just want to see how many different styles you've tried and how much reading you've done, especially day game mastery. mikeCF had a great post about this that reminds me of your troubles:

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2011/11/14/...e-of-game/

Post: #127

(08-12-2014 10:37 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Bryon, first of all I applaud your approach numbers! holy shit you are a monster! I am beginning to do day game and can only hope to rack up the number of approaches you have.

now - I don't want to derail this thread with the classic "direct vs indirect" discussion. but, do you ever run Roosh/Day Bang style indirect game? It seems to me that you are mostly running Krauser high energy insta-date game. have you tried following Roosh's advice to a T? day bang really focuses on numbers that lead to dates. it seems to me that in most of your somewhat successful approaches, you do well but totally "scare the cat." too much kino. what's up with all the hugging?

I just want to see how many different styles you've tried and how much reading you've done, especially day game mastery. mikeCF had a great post about this that reminds me of your troubles:

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2011/11/14/...e-of-game/

Thank you for the encouragement man.

Paraphrasing here: I believe that Krauser's latest stance on instant dates is that they are not always necessary and that in many cases it's easier to do a solid approach and filter for interest through the phone number.

I did follow Roosh's advice to a T. for around 200 approaches. I got my first date that way - although I happened to approach her sort of direct ("excuse me, I saw you and had to say hi"). GALNUC works. Hopefully you have an easier time than me at getting the girl to meet you. That always seems to be my problem. I rotate methods depending on the setting and how I feel.

I'm trying out a different model right now which involves being touchy.

Good luck with your game

Post: #128

(08-11-2014 08:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ Badass approach volume. You'll get good fast.

Thanks man. Hopefully. It's been almost a year now.

Post: #129

(08-11-2014 08:40 PM)BarryInSF Wrote:  Byron I gotta admire your dedication. Keep it up!

thanks!

Post: #130

what's your text game like? is it strictly logistical?

Post: #131

(08-12-2014 01:49 PM)redbeard Wrote:  what's your text game like? is it strictly logistical?

yeah. standard stuff. Most don't reply past the initial message

Post: #132

(08-12-2014 12:40 PM)Byron Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ Badass approach volume. You'll get good fast.

Thanks man. Hopefully. It's been almost a year now.

Have you met with any experienced players?

You need to get some objective eyes on you and your game

Post: #133

(08-13-2014 04:30 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 12:40 PM)Byron Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ Badass approach volume. You'll get good fast.

Thanks man. Hopefully. It's been almost a year now.

Have you met with any experienced players?

You need to get some objective eyes on you and your game

Nah. Closest I've ever gotten is I went out with a few girls and they watched me game. They said I was "doing great" lol.

Post: #134

August 11th

0 approaches

August 12th

0 approaches

August 13th

...haven't cold approached in three days. Urge to fap...growing...stronger

August 14th

4 approaches
1 instant "hangout" (I forgot the "G" in GALNUC)
0 numbers

Sometimes I make the jump from indirect to direct too quickly by forgetting to actually flirt a bit before going for the phone number/date suggestion.

Post: #135

Good to see you are sticking with it. It might be helpful for you to identify themes in your approaches and report them so you can get some feedback. Just reporting the number of approaches and results is difficult to interpret. Also, a second set of experienced eyes can provide you with helpful feedback.

Post: #136

(08-14-2014 09:54 PM)Dantes Wrote:  Good to see you are sticking with it. It might be helpful for you to identify themes in your approaches and report them so you can get some feedback. Just reporting the number of approaches and results is difficult to interpret. Also, a second set of experienced eyes can provide you with helpful feedback.

Thank you man. Yeah, a post like that is upcoming; I wrote out another 100 interactions and the mistakes I think I made in each one. Gonna post the most frequent muck-ups here.

Post: #137

(08-14-2014 09:54 PM)Dantes Wrote:  Good to see you are sticking with it. It might be helpful for you to identify themes in your approaches and report them so you can get some feedback. Just reporting the number of approaches and results is difficult to interpret. Also, a second set of experienced eyes can provide you with helpful feedback.

Thank you man. Yeah, a post like that is upcoming; I wrote out another 100 interactions and the mistakes I think I made in each one. Gonna post the most frequent muck-ups here.

Post: #138

Byron could you please tell me the following about yourself:

Location
Race/Ethnicity
Age
Height
Weight
Facial Aesthetics /10
Bodyfat % (if you know)
Bench press and Chinups (Max weight/reps)
Areas you commonly approach in

I'm sure you've divulged bits and pieces of this over the foregoing pages but I'd just like if I could see it all here.

Post: #139

SS number
Mother's Maiden name
credit cards if any
FAFSA pin number
deepest fears

(i'm kidding, of course)

Post: #140

Daytime Make-Out

I had a two hour instant date yesterday evening. Indirect roll up, eventually displayed intent, escalation. Nothing special except this time 1) I followed all the rules I learned from my prior hundreds of approaches (*I'll be writing a post on that here very, very soon*) 2) I followed the new model I am learning to a "T" and 3) I pulled the trigger - zero hesitation. She rejected the kiss multiple times at first, however she didn't walk away (note, I didn't go all "Brazilian guy" on her, like Roosh wrote about. It happened after around 20 minutes of talking). It seems that Roosh is right once again. Chicks don't punish you for going for gold...if they like you. We kissed multiple times, held hands, etc. Couldn't pull to anywhere, so I took her number and booted her.

She's been responding to texts promptly;a similar time frame as the first girl I ever went on a date with from cold approach. We'll see where it goes. I learned some things from this approach that I think will help curtail my abysmal work rate a bit once I really iron out the kinks in my game in the next few months. I have one huge question that boggles my mind though...

Is it possible that some of the girls I went on extended instant dates with actually got frustrated with me because I didn't attempt the kiss?. Perhaps that's why so few of them ever responded to my messages...

For the record, the products I am using are RooshV's Day Bang, Bang, and his "My Life's Work Collection," as well as Krauser's Daygame Mastery, and Justin Wayne's "The Domino Effect." I don't think I'll be getting any others for a long time.

As I've said before, Day Bang game got me my first date, which I messed up because I'm an idiot. Also, GALNUC for number closes is a very, very helpful. Krauser's advice about what to say in set and conversation really, really helped me too. I actually seem to have a personality now and get compliments occasionally because of it.

The main new model I am learning is Justin Wayne's Domino Effect. It is pretty much how I map out where to go during an interaction because he shows you exactly how to set up daytime escalation. He also has helped me the most with flirting, which didn't come naturally to me (I used the Domino Effect for this pick up). The thing is, I agree with all you more experienced guys saying that instant dates aren't necessary if you make a good first impression. I'm doing them because Justin focuses more on these and it feels as though his model better "fits" my temperament. Also, my first impression doesn't seem to be good enough to get reliable responses.

Still, I dunno which is better. The other day I got three numbers without instant dating. They all responded to my initial text but then flaked after. Yesterday I had a long instant date and a make out. She's responding to my texts now BUT she could flake like others have before and then I'd have zero leads (only did three approaches yesterday). I'd also be more peeved because I invested so much time into the interaction.

Guess there's many ways to skin a cat.

Oh, and I'm going to follow Goodlookingloser's advice and get really muscular and cut (male model body + 15 lbs.) because:

(07-27-2014 05:29 AM)Krauser Wrote:  I'd add a point, based on some blog I was reading last night where the writer was making a big deal out of his great ratio (something like one lay in six approaches):

1. He is very good-looking
2. He is young
3. He approached almost entirely girls who already gave him a massive come-on, mostly in clubs.
4. The girls were decent quality but no hotter than him (he posted vids)

That's how you get a good ratio. The problem is, it's of no use to someone who wants girls younger/hotter/tighter. Most men's problem is attraction. Guys with good ratios are always guys who already have attraction before they do a single thing.

If you're pushing it, 1 in 20 from cold approach (no come-on) is very good. 1 in 50 isn't too bad. And that's for men who are pretty good at it. Beginners can be happier with worse ratios.

I'm a lazy bastard and I want to do the least amount of work possible to get this area of my life handled so I can move on to my other pointless goals before I die.

Post: #141

(08-15-2014 09:16 AM)civpro Wrote:  Byron could you please tell me the following about yourself:

Location
Race/Ethnicity
Age
Height
Weight
Facial Aesthetics /10
Bodyfat % (if you know)
Bench press and Chinups (Max weight/reps)
Areas you commonly approach in

I'm sure you've divulged bits and pieces of this over the foregoing pages but I'd just like if I could see it all here.

20, Tom Cruise's height, ~160lbs, 12-13% body fat. I'm from near Roosh's hometown and game in his favorite city. I approach everywhere. No hottie is safe from my openers, even in the loo.

I can't bench press and I refuse to do pull-ups! (kidding, hold up)

When I log onto Omegle video chat, occasionally a girl will type "you are cute." It's hard to tell if they are joking.

I'd rather not directly answer Race/Ethnicity. I don't want this thread derailed with those debates and the people overly concerned with them. Assume I am a purple people eater.

Post: #142

(08-20-2014 01:36 PM)Byron Wrote:  I can't bench press and I refuse to do pull-ups.

I just did some pushups and pull ups. 30 reps and 10 reps max, respectively.

Post: #143

Why have you been gone for the past two weeks?:

Burnt out from all the approaching, mostly. Reading Roosh's last few posts on daygame/game was like getting a quality massage. That Daygame post was especially good: masseur Vorek hit all the right spots. After the daytime make-out, I didn't approach much until this week.

What happened to the "Make-Out Girl?":

She stopped responding to my messages. Crazy, right!? Hamsters gonna ham. It disappointed me for a while. Now, it is behind me.

Daygame any recently?:

I started dipping my toes back in the water this Monday. I had a few chats here and there - nothing serious. Drive by stuff.

Today I was serious. On my 5th approach I had an instant date. I got her contact information.

Where's that write up on themes in your game that you promised?/Where's that write up on the things you learned your last 100-200 approaches?:

So glad you asked! I decided only to post very, very limited portions of the monster that I drafted as I work on each part. You guys reading this don't deserve a wall of my text. Part number one that I'm going to remedy is quoted below.

Quote:"Isolation"

If "Game" could talk, I'm pretty sure that's what she would scream at me. "ISOLATE! ISOLATE!" I can count on one hand the number of times that I've been alone in a room with a girl. One hand. How bad is that. Now what about you? How many hands?

...

Until now, I've never even had "isolation" in my mind as an end goal. It was always "approach." Soon after it became "move her." Most recently it was "kino!!" It's now time to start hammering the big "I" out. This is my greatest failing. I fail to get isolation. It has to do with both an irrational fear of asking and a lack of solid logistics: I will fix the anxiety by making asking routine and work my hardest to address the logistics. Part of me wonders if I've just been failing to get to this point...or avoiding it.

Post: #144

9/5/2014

Just a moment ago I tried holding hands with a girl during our instant date. At that point, she became shocked/worried and told me, "I'm sorry but I have a boyfriend and I won't cheat on him with you." I asked her if it was a serious relationship. She told me "Yes, we are trying" and then explained some more details about him and their situation. Then she then asked me, "Did I bum you out?"...I said "No, I have enjoyed talking to you and I still am. It's all good." Part of me wasn't lying. The sexual tension alone felt amazing - raw. She responded "Yes, I have enjoyed talking to you too." Then she asked me a personal question (she asked me four total..She wasn't American). We kept talking for another five minutes or so. Before parting ways, I got her phone number.

...

Before going for the hand hold, I had already let my hand rest on her thigh when I bounced her to some seating in the gym. She was very attractive. I was especially nervous because of this and almost ran away from the interaction at a few points. My heart was throbbing and I had a massive boner in public - one that was thankfully concealed by heavy workout pants. I couldn't believe that she was actually responding so well to me. The whole thing lasted maybe 20 minutes.

Failing this one was my fault. There's no point calling her because I'll never see her again. If I had just persisted more after the boyfriend thing, I'm quite sure that something might have happened. I invited her over twice, however she said she had to go to work shortly. What if I had asked her a third time?

I was just too nervous.

Post: #145

This Is My Last Post On This Thread...For Now

Hey you guys. This will be the last post from me that you read on this particular thread for a while. I won't be quitting game or stop participating on this forum; in fact, I'll be taking more hardcore action than ever in the coming months. You'll see.

The reason I'm leaving this thread is because I'm starting to feel as though there could be a bit of selfish intention behind my posting here. Not quite sure how to explain it but I think it's time to stop for a while. In community terms, I believe that I'm "value taking" at this point.

You can be sure that in the mean time I'll keep approaching, working on my muscles, fashion, and lifestyle. Once I've advanced and my opinion actually matters, I'll return to share the hope with you. From the very beginning my goal was to provide motivation via example for guys who, like me, thought talking to a girl during the day would lead to severe anaphylaxis. I'm at a new plateau now so I cannot continue to accomplish this, hence the break.

In due time!

Post: #146

Good to read about your positive reasons for stepping away since you've been going extremely hard at it! Take care

Post: #147

Krauser and Tom Torero Gave Me A Bit Of Their Time , Free

I thought I'd give Mr. Krauser and Uncle Tom some social reps after a round of emails with them.

I sent Krauser an email after reading his latest blog video post and received some targeted guidance, free of charge. Tom Torero chimed in as well.

One thing that I respected was that they were both willing to recommend me and my dollars to another Daygamer for more in-depth coaching. You may have heard of the guy they suggested: he has a thing for healthy juices. Anyway, it goes to show that neither Krauser nor Tom is just about extracting your nickels and dimes and hawking their products.

I thought that it was a nice gesture and that it should be rewarded in some open, public way; they don't owe me a thing. I've gotten a lot out of reading Krauser's blog, watching Tom's videos, and soaking up the knowledge in Daygame Mastery.


Keep approaching guys.

Post: #148

How did they help you? Were they able to identify where you had been going wrong?

Post: #149

(09-18-2014 01:45 AM)Frank Wrote:  How did they help you? Were they able to identify where you had been going wrong?

Hey, Frank. I got some good cosmetic advice. Also, I was nudged in a slightly different direction for solving this plateau.

Becoming more "cool and interesting" is the primary focus once again.

Post: #150

I Got A Girl In My Room After A 5 Minute Street Approach

So, standard approach. I opened with a compliment ("I love your style."). She gave resistance when I suggested the instant date (i.e. "Hey, let's take a walk.") because it might make her late. I countered with "I won't make you late - promise."

Then, I suggested that I show her some pictures back at my place...which was five minutes away. She said okay. I take her back to my room. At certain points I display intent, pinch her cheeks, etc. She never moves away, though she also never touches me or shows any green lights. Pure amber, as Krauser would say. I give her a kiss on the cheek at one point, then ask for one back. She kisses me on the cheek. At that point I shut my room door: right then, I immediately realized that I kept the door open for me to be comfortable...not her.

...

Within the next two minutes I grow a pair and FORCE myself go for the kiss. I had been delaying it for a while, like a pussy, because I was so nervous. She closes her eyes, says "noo!" in a sing song voice and moves her head way back. I rub her arm and go back to showing her pictures and like nothing happened.

Internally, I was a little relieved that she didn't kiss me back.

Still, I expected her to run out of my room upon my attempt. Instead, she sat there pleasantly. I kid you not, she was really pleased with herself at that moment; it looked as if she had just gotten a delicious treat. It totally screwed with my mind. I kept touching her here and there, flirting, chatting. Suddenly, she has to go but she asks me if I want to walk with her or stay in my room. I decide to walk with her...I should have persisted that she stay but something told me that was a battle for naught.

As we're walking I get all...I dunno. I felt a little defeated I guess. Why was I walking with her lol??? For what purpose? Idiot.

She was going to meet a friend to go to some sort of event, so I started to feel as though she just wanted her friend to see what I looked like. F-that! I tell her that I suddenly forgot something and that I have to dip. She says "okay, well nice meeting you." I pause for a split second and consider whether or not to get her number. I decided not to - mostly because I didn't want to deal with the ego smack of a flake.

That may have been a bad decision - I know. As of late, I haven't been feeling the best, emotionally. I didn't want to deal with the possibly of her rejecting me more definitely, as gay as that sounds. Wow.

My Huge Mistake

Looking back, the girl that I kissed on the street required three tries. This girl didn't bail on my first kiss attempt after coming to my room after 5 minutes of talking on the street. I made my intent clear. I touched her repeatedly. So, I should have tried to kiss her once or twice more. I recognized this in the moment, however I still couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger again. It was already hard the first time. Too nervous.

Also, part of me didn't want to have her kiss back because I felt as though what was happening should not be fucking possible. Looking back, I wonder how many of my street approaches would have ended this way if I had said, "by the way I live just over there." Game gurus aren't lying man. Logistics are huge...

Do Women Ever Get Nervous? ? ?

By the way, this chick never seemed nervous. Not even once, man. In fact, maybe I upset her because I was so nervous? That's the third time I've ever had a chick in a room alone with me LOL.

This All Stemmed From A Single Goal

I guess the Universe gives you assistance when you really need it. I was feeling a little down and out but I made a stretch goal for myself on monday of this week: I wanted to get 1 girl back to my room.

Lo and behold, mission accomplished. My next goal is one more by Sunday, i.e. two a week.

Keep gaming.