Post: #26

@WIA that's completely true. I have only come across two individuals that sort of turned it around on me. One is much older than me and saw right through me. However, rather than call me an 'asshole' he actually took an interest in getting to know me.

I see it as if someone is smart enough to see what's going on then you might learn something from them.

Post: #27

I LOVE cold reading but Kenton Knepper's Completely Cold freebie is pretty weak. In some of the review links OP links to the reviewers trash it as well. I looked up Kenton Knepper on youtube too and he's not very good.

The best cold reading book I've come across is the tradecraft one. Also if you youtube Derren Brown on Cold reading you get a great interview with lots of great insight. Derren Brown is the master of this. He charms the panties off every girl even if he's gay.

Link to tradecraft one: http://vincent.mucchielli.free.fr/PUA/Sk...eading.pdf

Post: #28

(06-25-2014 06:54 PM)monster Wrote:  I LOVE cold reading but Kenton Knepper's Completely Cold freebie is pretty weak. In some of the review links OP links to the reviewers trash it as well. I looked up Kenton Knepper on youtube too and he's not very good.

The best cold reading book I've come across is the tradecraft one. Also if you youtube Derren Brown on Cold reading you get a great interview with lots of great insight. Derren Brown is the master of this. He charms the panties off every girl even if he's gay.

Link to tradecraft one: http://vincent.mucchielli.free.fr/PUA/Sk...eading.pdf

This the one that Cardguy recommended.

WIA

Post: #29

(06-11-2014 11:27 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  I put up wit their BS the same way I put up with anything I don’t enjoy or that has become repetitive, low investment for high reward. I’m not digging in for quick sex, I am indoctrinating them to me for the long-term.

(06-11-2014 05:56 PM)Smoky-cos Wrote:  What type of player are you Kwisatz? I think copying your moves exactly would be incongruent with my personality. Probably would suit someone with a more mysterious vibe. But this is some intense shit and I realise that it would be beneficial for anybody to incorporate in their arsenal.

For real though - How do you put up with their bullshit for 20 mins?

Kwisatz, we could be best friends. I do similar shit as I hate ONS, and I like keeping FWB's on speed dial.

Post: #30

Thanks for the reading material. I’ll get back to you wham I digest it.

(06-25-2014 06:54 PM)monster Wrote:  I LOVE cold reading but Kenton Knepper's Completely Cold freebie is pretty weak. In some of the review links OP links to the reviewers trash it as well. I looked up Kenton Knepper on youtube too and he's not very good.

The best cold reading book I've come across is the tradecraft one. Also if you youtube Derren Brown on Cold reading you get a great interview with lots of great insight. Derren Brown is the master of this. He charms the panties off every girl even if he's gay.

Link to tradecraft one: http://vincent.mucchielli.free.fr/PUA/Sk...eading.pdf

Post: #31

(06-25-2014 06:54 PM)monster Wrote:  I LOVE cold reading but Kenton Knepper's Completely Cold freebie is pretty weak. In some of the review links OP links to the reviewers trash it as well. I looked up Kenton Knepper on youtube too and he's not very good.

The best cold reading book I've come across is the tradecraft one. Also if you youtube Derren Brown on Cold reading you get a great interview with lots of great insight. Derren Brown is the master of this. He charms the panties off every girl even if he's gay.

Link to tradecraft one: http://vincent.mucchielli.free.fr/PUA/Sk...eading.pdf

That website has a TON of material.

WIA

Post: #32

How was it ?

Post: #33

The Tradecraft book is well written and mapped out. The book also starts by addressing ethical concerns, I liked that. Because it has a much larger scope it's able to incorporate things like the Myers Briggs Scale and more expanded, deeper insights into cold reading in a lot of different areas. I definitely recommend it as another resource/weapon in the arsenal!

It took me quite a while to get back to this thread because my adventures have kept me occupied with a lot of other reading.

(12-31-2014 08:24 AM)Cold Wrote:  How was it ?

Post: #34

I found out that the link to where you can download a copy is broken. Here is a replacement. If anyone here creates a torrent for it, please post it here.

Download: http://vincent.mucchielli.free.fr/PUA/Sk...20Cold.pdf

Post: #35

rep'd OP. this is good stuff and worth a bump.

Post: #36

I am a little confused about cold reading, is it kind of like psychic stuff? My understanding of the term was that it is just behavioural analysis...

Also Kwisatz, its been a couple years. Have you improved, upgraded or found new ways to the method??

I read a couple forum posts about it including this one from Samseau :

/thread-9759-...#pid146457

Thoughts ?

Also can someone expand on the emotional manipulation aspect and how that even happens with this. Quite fascinating.

Post: #37

No this is not psychic stuff
It's just barnum effect sprinkled with common sense.

The routine Heartiste proposed is more like the 36 questions to connect emotionnally with people.

Look at this vid



Diving further in this kind of art is interesting only if you want to make money out of it or gain massive influence targeting specific peoples.

Post: #38

It's not magic at all. It's what happens when you study people long enough and realize that we are all fairly standard, and will give standard responses to similar stimuli.

The advantage Men have, is that we are OK with knowing that we are not special unless we specifically do something to distinguish ourselves. Women believe and are taught, that they are unique by birth. That's why they never doubt or second guess anything that someone tells them, as long as it reinforces their belief that they are unique. Despite having done nothing to achieve that status.

Behavioral analysis is a good way to sum it up.

I still do it off and on, depending on if I am in the mood.

Behavioral analysis becomes emotional maipulation when we use the information we get to guide someone to an outcome that benefits us, and not necessarily them.

Practice it in a mirror, and then take time to do it. If possible, use your phone to record the talk that you have when you try it live.

Alternatively, you can try something like Tarot Game -> /thread-19189.html

(09-09-2017 12:07 AM)sonoran_ Wrote:  I am a little confused about cold reading, is it kind of like psychic stuff? My understanding of the term was that it is just behavioural analysis...

Also Kwisatz, its been a couple years. Have you improved, upgraded or found new ways to the method??

I read a couple forum posts about it including this one from Samseau :

/thread-9759-...#pid146457

Thoughts ?

Also can someone expand on the emotional manipulation aspect and how that even happens with this. Quite fascinating.

Post: #39

It can have a mystical effect on women though, and get her to place you in the "deep spiritual mysterious guy" box. It all depends whether or not you are comfortable with that persona.

Look at someone like Derren Brown, the stage mentalist. He has no problem being mysterious. A lot of guys don't feel comfortable with this, and would rather be more straightforward.

I once watched one of his stage shows called "Something Wicked This Way Comes," in which he brought up a woman onstage, showed her a box, and asked her if she knew what was inside it.

She replied, "It better not be a mouse!'

Imagine that, he was inside her head before they had even met. She thought there was a chance that he already knew she hated mice and had hidden one in a box for her.

Being a cold reader is defining yourself as a certain type of guy that is endlessly fascinating to women. I inadvertently came across tarot game years ago, and quit because it made me uneasy, like the girls were fucking the deck of cards and not me.

So, if it fits your personality, play with it, and see if it works for you. It can be a powerful persuasion tactic. Basically it is an ad libbed mini psychic reading, and even if you deny that's what it is, that is how the girl will interpret it, so be careful. You are now the spiritual guy.

I once did a cold read over the phone for an information operator and she came over to my apartment after work. I was laughing to myself, not believing it was happening.

I have even done card tricks for women where the effect is that you read their mind, and even when I told them it was a trick, and that I couldn't really read their mind, they still got that hypnotized little look when I was done and wouldn't believe it wasn't some magic connection.

With all this kind of stuff, you are kind of hypnotizing the girl, bypassing her conscious thought and skepticism, and speaking directly to her need to believe in a magical spiritual world, so, be warned.

Post: #40

(06-16-2014 12:57 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  Manipulation and/or coercion are never considered on the side of good ethics regardless of culture or religion

I would argue that any effective communication involves some form of manipulation. And this goes both ways. A smart girl using her looks to achieve certain goals is using manipulation on men (or women), but it's a form of communication at the end of the day.

Manipulation has a negative connotation but it's just a form or style of communication. To what end your communication aims for, that's what determines its moral or ethical judgment.

Post: #41

This all comes later on in the interaction with a girl?

You cant really start off a cold approach with this can you lol?

Just walk up to a girl and be like Why do I feel like...??

Post: #42

CardGuy posted a pretty good vid about Orson Wells explaining it in an other thread (Too bad he've been banned, his view on the subject is great)





Here is an "How to" :

(06-01-2016 02:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  [..]

Grocery story #2

Last week, in line at the grocery again.

The Yuppie professional is buying Cafe Bustelo

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WIA - "How is that?"

Lawyerchick - "Oh the coffee, I like it. It's cheap...but I try all sorts of things"

WIA - *sensing that this could go somewhere* - You sound like an expert...

LC - "Yah, I really like Ethiopian, it's got notes of chocolate..."

WIA - "Like wine, or whisky...lemme guess you pretend to be a wine girl, but you're actually a whisky girl"

LC - *blushes/laughs*

She wasn't really my type, so I didn't go forward with it. But I practice this sort of thing, all day.

[...]

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I wouldn't call these my top notch approaches/encounters, but I don't ask a chick if she knows where I can find a plus size lingerie shop. (hmm, maybe I should ask that...)

I say stuff that
- Says "hey i'm talking to you"
- It doesn't say, "hey i'm trying to hit on you, give me your number, so I can get in your panties"

It impacts just the same. I'm not hitting the classic attraction switches (leader of men, pre-selection, resources)...I'm just going with cold reads and building on their reactions.

What happens is that even though we're talking about bs, I'm sub-communicating to her that I see her, and I'm curious.

She is telling me by responding whether or not she's interested in showing me more, whether she's interested in talking to me.

And I pick things that she can talk about, that she can glow about.

Because I want to be able to tap into that good energy/talkative part of her. Not the part of her that has to think, that has to catch things.

I know a lot of you guys are smart, intelligent, introverts, analytical, shy, and intellectuals. I am cut from the same cloth.

We, as a group, don't tend to like small talk. We like big talk. Part of the game is learning to make that small talk, the chit chat, into big talk. But not big on an analytical scale, but on an emotional one.

It's quite the challenge to talk about one thing, but purposefully sub-communicate something else. That should be enticing to guys that are INTJ and other sort of introspective personality types.

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These are just basic examples. I do this every day, every where I go, because I started to take a general interest in people after having a focused interest in game.

WIA

This is an "How to" based on where she is in life, in love, her socio-economic class, the way she is dressed, the car she drive and on and on...
You can extrapolate from littles cues and hit the nail right on the head due to having interact with the "same kind" of women before, it bring social proof because you shows that you konw what you're talking about, it bring fun because there are rarely men approaching women this way
That's really the most efficient way to use it because it's light and funny and there is no "professional" vibe behind it.

Post: #43

Depending on how you start the interaction, you can absolutely make it part of walking up to a girl for a Cold Approach.

(09-09-2017 05:24 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  This all comes later on in the interaction with a girl?

You cant really start off a cold approach with this can you lol?

Just walk up to a girl and be like Why do I feel like...??