Post: #1

This has been a huge problem of mine and is probably one of the biggest areas of my game I need to clean up. I have always had a hard time gauging when a woman is ready to have sex. Now I have had a few notches under my belt but some of the girls laid there like dead fish and weren't into it.

One of the biggest problems is when a woman comes out of the blue and hits on me in a bar or club. She usually indicates up front that she wants to have sex (after just a few hours of talking that same night) and at the last minute backs out or just lays there. I figured a time bridge to make a deeper connection would be needed, but then I'd thought she'd grow bored and change her mind.

Another problem has been on dates. I've fixed some minor issues in my game (being sexual on dates, kiss closing and kino on dates) but have yet mastered getting a woman in the sack after a date. I was afraid I would scare them off if I invited them over or tried to get a hotel.

Any help would be appreciated.

Post: #2

Bang and Day Bang by Roosh. Master the book then put the skills to the test. You should also check out Christian Mcqueens site. He has a lot of great post that will help you out in those situations. Its all about frame.

Post: #3

Are you sure that it's COMFORT that is your problem?

Post: #4

1) Dead Fish
- that just might be her
- you might not be doing the right stuff.

For now, ask. Ask her what she wants.

Better to lose a lay trying to get that "enthusiastic yes" out of her, than to face any sort of ugliness.

As time goes on, and you become more comfortable with women, and they become more comfortable with you, you basically do stuff to her and gauge her reaction. If trick A is getting you what you both want, you switch to trick B.

...The other side of the game is that some women are only pleased if you are pleased. But that's the intermediate aspect of game.

2) Comes out of the blue to hit on you?

Bwhahaha. Yeah right.

Anyway, if you want to talk fantasy situations like this one, basically even if she initiates the contact and lets you know she wants to bang - you still have to seduce her. Attract her, get the rapport, get the "comfort", iron out your logistics, keep the tension high, et cetera.

Even when they approach, you still have to do the work.

3) If you're afraid to ask, you won't be sleeping with her.

But you don't ask her, "hey, i've really been thinking of fucking your skull the whole night, why don't I throw you over my back and we'll head to my supervillain hide out for a night of chat-roulette and vomit?"

To take her home at the end of the night, you need to set that up at the beginning of the night.

The formula now is,
- a drink's date at location 1 - you talk about some cool stuff at your flat
- more drinking and fun @ location 2, which is close to your house. - contintue to talk about stuff at your flat

- the buying question is - "Hey do you want to check out my wine and Warhammer 40,000 campaign that i've been telling you about all night?"

Saying yes to come over isn't necessarily an invitation to a night of anal prolapses, but getting her to your house, and allowing her the freedom to get in the mood, outside of prying eyes....

WIA

Post: #5

As some girls are fantastic in bed, some girls suck. If you just met her, unless she spills out her heart to you at the bar, you never really know the full story. If she's not into it, try and get her into it. Vocalize the interaction. Ask her to do stuff for you. Just as is in the pickup itself, push and pull when you've got her back at your place. If you're pushing her into bed without running total caveman game (in which case you shouldn't care about her being a dead fish, just pound away) make her work for it. A little teasing and some push and pull never hurt anyone. Enjoy the seduction process, don't just rush for the bang.

Post: #6

(05-25-2014 10:12 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  2) Comes out of the blue to hit on you?

Bwhahaha. Yeah right.

Anyway, if you want to talk fantasy situations like this one, basically even if she initiates the contact and lets you know she wants to bang - you still have to seduce her. Attract her, get the rapport, get the "comfort", iron out your logistics, keep the tension high, et cetera.

Even when they approach, you still have to do the work.

Yeah it hardly ever happens, but it has happened a few times. First time was in a bar in College Park when I was 19 and was being hit on by a 34 year old. Told her my real age (mistake #1) then offered to give her a ride home if she'd bang me (mistake #2). She got out of the car and slammed the door shut.

But this is very good advice. I keep trying to rush the bangs fearing I would lose the opportunity.

(05-25-2014 08:41 PM)From Vegas to Tokyo Wrote:  Enjoy the seduction process, don't just rush for the bang.

Ditto

Post: #7

It sounds like reading comfort isn't your problem, its disarming lmr. Girls do lmr to make sure you are in control enough to get the bang. There is a power shift after sex and a girl won't give up that shift easily. Learn some lmr tips like freeze outs, ultimatums (in the right way), leveraging her attraction for you, and how to really turn a girl on.