Post: #101

You're an engineer aren't you. No other mind would think that efficiently. Point taken.

On a completely unrelated note, whats the consensus on how long to text/call after getting a number from an online dating site?

Treat it like a number you got from the random chick last night, or follow up same day?

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Post: #102

(04-12-2011 07:19 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  You're an engineer aren't you. No other mind would think that efficiently. Point taken.

On a completely unrelated note, whats the consensus on how long to text/call after getting a number from an online dating site?

Treat it like a number you got from the random chick last night, or follow up same day?

For first contact I always wait at least 2 hours. If it's late at night and they are available to chat I open them then and get the number and make date plans that night or drop them for good if they are lame.

General rule of thumb for me is wait a day, but it really all depends on the messages being sent back and forth.

Right now I'm averaging about 50-60 profile views per week (not counting hidden) and 4-5 messages per day, options are definitely there. Shit, I flaked on this bitch tonight who was playing games. Honestly I don't think there is a time frame you need to be worried about, I Just prefer to wait my token 2 hours just in case... unless I'm online when they send it.

Post: #103

Thats what I figured. Giving more then a day seemed off, I learned you gotta hook em quick online because there's always another message in their inbox and you have to make them forget about that guy and remember why you're man.

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Post: #104

(04-12-2011 05:28 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  So I re-worked my PoF profile for a more aloof and funny vibe, and combined a lot of the info in this thread into my opening messages, working like a fucking char. I spent over a year on this site and got nil, I've now got three dates in the planning process and talking to two others. This is in less then 24 hours.

I agree with Chad Daring. I have 3 dates lined up this week, I canceled one because it wasn't worth the drive, and I'm working on a few others. Both this and "online dating recap" have been extremely helpful...

Post: #105

(04-12-2011 09:38 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 05:28 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  So I re-worked my PoF profile for a more aloof and funny vibe, and combined a lot of the info in this thread into my opening messages, working like a fucking char. I spent over a year on this site and got nil, I've now got three dates in the planning process and talking to two others. This is in less then 24 hours.

I agree with Chad Daring. I have 3 dates lined up this week, I canceled one because it wasn't worth the drive, and I'm working on a few others. Both this and "online dating recap" have been extremely helpful...

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Post: #106

Do you guys always go to the same bar for your first dates?

Post: #107

(04-12-2011 11:05 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  Do you guys always go to the same bar for your first dates?

I do just to make it easier on myself since there's a bar close to my apartment that that has comfortable seating arrangements and cheap drinks, but I could easily switch to another cafe and bar in the neighborhood and not have to change anything drastic. I figure why mess with a formula that's yielding me successes though.

Post: #108

(04-12-2011 11:05 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  Do you guys always go to the same bar for your first dates?

I have one bar that I like to use now, but I'm working others into my rotation depending on the nights.

Post: #109

(04-12-2011 05:37 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(03-27-2011 03:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Online game doesn't improve your actual game. ]

I wanted to point out that I disagree here, atleast for someone like me who is in the very beginning of understanding how to game.

I spent my whole life being a preening yes man to women, my gut instinct is to be caring and try to impress her. Just is. I did this with online dating too.

I've turned my online game into a bit of an exercise.

If I cant look at a girls profile and come up with a decent opening line/message within 2 minutes I move on, for at least a day. I figure 2 minutes is a pretty decent window in real life for when a girl first enters your radar out and about.

It's only been a few days and I'm already noticing that when I see a sexy girl I've never seen before I no longer diddle around, I immediately fire up the game portion of my brain and start thinking about the best way to approach.

Right, and until you actually start doing approaches IRL will your game improve.

Post: #110

What do you say when, following a text of "let me think of a place. ill hit you up thursday", she texts you wednesday to ask where are we meeting?

Post: #111

(04-13-2011 03:54 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  What do you say when, following a text of "let me think of a place. ill hit you up thursday", she texts you wednesday to ask where are we meeting?

You jokingly call her out for jumping the gun and then tell her the spot... duh. She's taken an interest, or at the very least is one of those OCD planners (like my LTR).

Or you can do what I do and tell them to meet you at a landmark (or in DC, a metro stop) and that it's a secret. If you haven't exchanged numbers yet, this is where you get it.

Post: #112

I side with Samseau. Online game helps very little in IRL. It would be like training for squats by doing deadlifts. They look sort of similar to a newb, but they are in fact quite different.

Post: #113

(04-13-2011 07:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I side with Samseau. Online game helps very little in IRL.

You guys are saying that like it is a completely different game. It is not. Basically the whole online part replaces the "early game". This is my opinion as when you meet the first time, it is NOT exactly the "first date" - you never met before and have no idea whether you both are physically compatible (you might find out, for example, that her body reacts very aggressively on touch). At the same time, you can talk online for a while, and build significantly larger attraction comparing to the initial talk.
At this point (the date), however, everything else is the same game.

Now, it is true that being proficient in online game will not help you to approach more women in person. But if this is something you're not doing anyway, I don't see any problems here.

Post: #114

(04-14-2011 03:32 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-13-2011 07:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I side with Samseau. Online game helps very little in IRL.

You guys are saying that like it is a completely different game. It is not. Basically the whole online part replaces the "early game". This is my opinion as when you meet the first time, it is NOT exactly the "first date" - you never met before and have no idea whether you both are physically compatible (you might find out, for example, that her body reacts very aggressively on touch). At the same time, you can talk online for a while, and build significantly larger attraction comparing to the initial talk.
At this point (the date), however, everything else is the same game.

Now, it is true that being proficient in online game will not help you to approach more women in person. But if this is something you're not doing anyway, I don't see any problems here.

This is the conclusion I've come to. Even if you are a social reject, online dating can be a good way to ease into the process of interacting with women... but it's not going to improve your game until you go on lots of dates. Even then, your approaching won't improve, only your date game, escalation, etc. So just make sure you work on night/day game outside of the internetz.

Roosh: Online game helps you IRL because it nets dates and transitions into text/date game, which is practice that might not have been had if you, for example, were terrible at approaching but could build attraction and close.

Post: #115

Does anyone post their salary on there? Whats your suggestions? Real salary? Fake salary? Or do you just leave it blank.

Post: #116

Do you guys think its worth going out with girls who are 5's and 6's just to improve your game??

Post: #117

(04-14-2011 12:21 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  Do you guys think its worth going out with girls who are 5's and 6's just to improve your game??

Does she pass the boner test? That is your answer.

(04-14-2011 12:18 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Does anyone post their salary on there? Whats your suggestions? Real salary? Fake salary? Or do you just leave it blank.

Blank for me.

Post: #118

(04-14-2011 12:18 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Does anyone post their salary on there? Whats your suggestions? Real salary? Fake salary? Or do you just leave it blank.

Blank.

Post: #119

(04-14-2011 06:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Roosh: Online game helps you IRL because it nets dates and transitions into text/date game, which is practice that might not have been had if you, for example, were terrible at approaching but could build attraction and close.

It also saves money - approaching online is free. Technically by running the online game you can get to sex without spending a single cent on it.

Post: #120

(04-14-2011 07:14 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-14-2011 06:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Roosh: Online game helps you IRL because it nets dates and transitions into text/date game, which is practice that might not have been had if you, for example, were terrible at approaching but could build attraction and close.

It also saves money - approaching online is free. Technically by running the online game you can get to sex without spending a single cent on it.

Its also easy to do on your down time. Or double game, sit in a cafe chatting up random girls while browsing PoF in the meantime.

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Post: #121

(04-14-2011 12:41 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(04-14-2011 12:21 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  Do you guys think its worth going out with girls who are 5's and 6's just to improve your game??

Does she pass the boner test? That is your answer.

(04-14-2011 12:18 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Does anyone post their salary on there? Whats your suggestions? Real salary? Fake salary? Or do you just leave it blank.

Blank for me.

How do I put it blank? Its making me choose a salary range

Post: #122

Have two dates lined up for this weekend. I average about 16 - 20 msgs a day now. Stopped spamming bitches and working on the ones who are good to talk with.

Post: #123

(04-14-2011 07:14 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-14-2011 06:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Roosh: Online game helps you IRL because it nets dates and transitions into text/date game, which is practice that might not have been had if you, for example, were terrible at approaching but could build attraction and close.

It also saves money - approaching online is free. Technically by running the online game you can get to sex without spending a single cent on it.

This happened to me , 2 weeks ago. Had $50 to blow on the night but the girl didn't wanna do nothing but hook up.

Post: #124

(04-13-2011 07:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I side with Samseau. Online game helps very little in IRL. It would be like training for squats by doing deadlifts. They look sort of similar to a newb, but they are in fact quite different.

Not sure if serious? If you have a heavy squat , unless your form is shit , you will have a heavy dead lift. Boxsquats work the same muscles as deads.

Post: #125

(04-15-2011 06:07 AM)NeVerGymLess Wrote:  

(04-13-2011 07:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I side with Samseau. Online game helps very little in IRL. It would be like training for squats by doing deadlifts. They look sort of similar to a newb, but they are in fact quite different.

Not sure if serious? If you have a heavy squat , unless your form is shit , you will have a heavy dead lift. Boxsquats work the same muscles as deads.

But if you have a heavy dead lift, will you have a heavy squat (if you've never done squats before)?


The whole point of online game is to meet girls to fuck/date. If you have poor game then you will bomb on your dates.

Online game gives you excellent targets, because if a girl is willing to meet then she is clearly interested in you. If you use online game to improve your game, you're wasting really good targets to learn game when you could have learned game on bitches who don't matter.

I think a lot of guys are confused about what game is. Game is just the process of building attraction/interest of a girl, and then making her comfortable enough to have sex with you. You don't even need to have sex with a girl to learn game (otherwise virgins would stay virgins) nor will having sex with a girl teach you game (otherwise you could fuck prostitutes to learn game). Where, I ask, does online game provide you with the chance to build attraction and/or comfort? Until you've met her, then you cannot game her. Online game sets up an extra barrier, if anything, through the enormous bullshit which is your dating profile, your messages, your screen name, etc.


And just to prove my point:

http://www.aprelifecrisis.com/2011/04/fi...enade.html


Here, we have some guy who was interesting enough on paper to get this girl's attention. But he was a gameless beta on the date, and she lost all interest in him before she even left the restaurant.

Imagine if he had game. He could have worked that lizard into a frenzy and gone for a kiss, then fuck close or 2nd date.


The blog above is pretty cliche, right down to her "True Love" being a picture of a cat.