Post: #276

(05-31-2014 09:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Russia isn't the place to look for a lot of notches or a good quality:effort ratio.

Now you tell me.

But if you want the best... For me, it's worth the effort because quality is my focus. It will get easier once you figure out the city you're in. Girls usually have friends around the same level, so once you strike gold, you'll likely have more than you know what to do with.

Also remember that you're at the end of the study period, so a lot of girls will be busy with their finals.

(05-31-2014 09:17 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  With Russian and Ukrainian girls it is usually the girls who make the proposition for ONS.It is when they are satisfied by you when you make a good impression.There are many nuances needed to be implied.

That checks out in my experience too. You can be in a bar and feeling that things are progressing normally, and that the girl will need 2-3 dates before closing. Then, out of nowhere, she will say something like "let's go home." The first time it happened I thought it was some kind of setup where she would drug me or some goons would clear out my apartment. So I suggested we meet the next day; she then accused me of being a homosexual due to my lack of interest in sex.

Post: #277

(05-31-2014 09:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Then she ordered a drink by herself and fumbled through her purse for a while. I knew she was trying to hint at me to pay. I didn't, and of course she copped an attitude, eventually saying she was "insulted". Then I saw her sidle up next to another guy later. I'm guessing that's her move.

Damn, I hope that's not a typical occurrence in Russia. Instant boner-killer for me.

Post: #278

(05-31-2014 08:17 AM)DaveR Wrote:  Russia isn't the place to look for a lot of notches or a good quality:effort ratio. Its main advantage is the number of high-class of women (in terms of looks, education, etiquette, etc.) which are not found in other Central/Eastern European countries.

(05-31-2014 09:56 AM)DaveR Wrote:  ...So I suggested we meet the next day; she then accused me of being a homosexual due to my lack of interest in sex.

There's not a country I'm more interested in visiting than Russia, but how common is this kind of hostility by the women when they are disappointed? Roosh's experience at the bar and yours are a small sample but those responses are pretty low class and masculine sounding to me. Pretty disappointing.

Roosh - honest question - what are you finding that Russian women value the most in your interactions with them that might facilitate quicker bangs? As DaveR said, "make a good impression"? Would they consider you high/medium value in that respect? Just trying to understand is this behavior is common or if you are dealing with some kind of bias.

Post: #279

Roosh before you give up try a city with min. 1 million. If it is a major city regardless of tier 2 or 3 it might be a step up. Often there are English schools there.

Volgograd probably be interesting for you since you like WW2 shit(Stalingrad). It also has universities so you can try 'university game' or at least meet English speakers. perhaps find a wing there.

Also it is an industrial shithole but it sits in an agricultural region and it is a main transit hub. That means many from the surrounding cities and towns come into the city, staying often to sell their fruits and vegetables. Opportunity to play 'peasant game'.

Post: #280

(05-31-2014 09:56 AM)DaveR Wrote:  So I suggested we meet the next day; she then accused me of being a homosexual due to my lack of interest in sex.

Game recognized DaveR!
Russian girls seem to like to accuse or tease guys for being a homosexual.
I also got called out.

Once I was invited to a girls flat for dinner. When I arrived she had already started preparing the food. I brought a bottle of wine and poured up two glasses. I sat on a chair in her kitchen and chatting with her meanwhile she was preparing. Then someone called her and she had go out for a few minutes and hand over some keys.

At this point she was making a salad so she left in the middle. When she was out I thought I could help her out a bit and I started to slice some tomatoes and cucumbers which she had left undone. Not a big deal.

When she came back she got all serious and asked what I'm doing.
"If you want to prepare food perhaps you also want to clean toilets and wash clothes? But then you need to find a homosexual man for you, because I want a man, and a real man doesn't do a womans task."

Post: #281

(05-31-2014 01:28 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Roosh before you give up try a city with min. 1 million. If it is a major city regardless of tier 2 or 3 it might be a step up. Often there are English schools there.

Volgograd probably be interesting for you since you like WW2 shit(Stalingrad). It also has universities so you can try 'university game' or at least meet English speakers. perhaps find a wing there.

Also it is an industrial shithole but it sits in an agricultural region and it is a main transit hub. That means many from the surrounding cities and towns come into the city, staying often to sell their fruits and vegetables. Opportunity to play 'peasant game'.

Peasant game is where it's at


http://relaxyourself.ru/blog/stock/249026.html

Post: #282

Roosh, I believe that Krauser is in Russia right now and is really cleaning up judging by his blog and twitter updates. Have you compared notes with him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAANbIq0tE

Post: #283

@young_money It's not really hostility it's just a cultural difference. A lot of Russians think the West is even more gay-celebrating then the actual gay-celebrating reality, so naturally any behavior that is even ambiguously feminine is going to be suspect to them.

One of the first questions Russian girls often asked me about the US is are there really gays holding hands and making out in public or how do you feel about the gay culture? You can't really blame them though, when half the time our media mentions Russia it is concerning gays.

Post: #284

(05-31-2014 04:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Sounds anticlimactic.

Good word to describe it.

If I had to call it today, I'd prefer living in Poland, Ukraine, or even Croatia. It's still early, however. I want to give Russia at least 4 months.

I'm sure you'll start clicking soon. It took me a couple months to get going there. Girls want to date a couple times and test you/ make sure you're really interested, living there etc. I've had 'long game' battles with girls that went many months.

I didn't live in a small Russian town, but seems to me that the scene there is small enough that these girls have to watch what they are doing a bit. I have to assume they want to make sure you're going to be around more than a few weeks to ensure that you're 'serious' too - so they are not in any rush.

Also, I always felt like girls there were testing me and didn't really believe I lived in Russia. This was after me living there for years and having intermediate Russian. I'd have to assume that attitude is even more pronounced now...

Post: #285

(05-31-2014 01:28 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Roosh before you give up try a city with min. 1 million. If it is a major city regardless of tier 2 or 3 it might be a step up. Often there are English schools there.

Volgograd probably be interesting for you since you like WW2 shit(Stalingrad). It also has universities so you can try 'university game' or at least meet English speakers. perhaps find a wing there.

Also it is an industrial shithole but it sits in an agricultural region and it is a main transit hub. That means many from the surrounding cities and towns come into the city, staying often to sell their fruits and vegetables. Opportunity to play 'peasant game'.

I have heard a lot of Russians claim that Volgograd supposedly has the prettiest Russian women.

Nizhny Novgorod was a pretty fun place when I was there and had a very chill vibe. Voronesh too (Angels club there was awesome).

But let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet...you still have fish to fry in your current town...

Post: #286

Quote:what are you finding that Russian women value the most in your interactions with them that might facilitate quicker bangs?

Her making the logical decision to want to fuck you. If she does that, everything falls into place. There are three decisions a Russian girl seems to make:

Green zone- "I definitely want this guy." In this case she will make it pretty easy for you in being available and open. She will accept your first date suggestion and not be busy. Her resistance will be challenging in two places: the kiss and sex, but it may be token. Still may require face time (3 dates).

Yellow zone- "I'm not sure about this guy yet." She can be turned if you show the highly specific traits you want. 5% of the time this will turn to green and 95% of the time it will turn red. Most of the time you waste with Russian girls will be here.

Red zone - "I don't want." Once her mind is here, nothing you can do will change it. Weaseling and emotional tricks that work on other types of women won't cause her to budge. If she makes the decision not to be intimate with you, you're done, though she may extract a drink or two out of you or use you as a pawn to make another guy jealous.

A lot of the stories about Russian girls where they were initially responsive but flaked, used you for a drink/ride/meal, or did something disrespectful was because you started with yellow light (i.e. mild curiosity), and then she logically thought about you and your value during the interaction and moved you to red. Once you're in the red zone, she will treat you like you are scum.

Couple things:

-Going from yellow to green is pretty tough. I don't know how to do it reliably. The better game is to start in the green zone, because once you're there, you're golden. How do you start in the green zone with highly desirable Russian women?

-What we think of high value is not necessarily high value to a Russian girl. What is most valuable to them? Things like appearance, interestingness, humor has lower value than your network, status, and the fact that you're permanently located in her city.

-I believe it only takes about 5 minutes for a girl to know whether she wants to put you in the green zone or not. Therefore I make a good go of my approaches for 5 minutes and then pull back a bit to see what she does. If she put me in green, she definitely won't let the interaction stall out right then and there, so will ask more questions or give deep eye contact. If I'm in yellow (most of the time), she'll be a little aloof/nonchalant, maybe looking over to her friends. If I'm in red, she will either leave or... try to get a drink out of me by pretending I'm in green! But it's getting easier to spot the fake greens.

Post: #287

(05-31-2014 06:23 PM)savvylurker Wrote:  Roosh, I believe that Krauser is in Russia right now and is really cleaning up judging by his blog and twitter updates. Have you compared notes with him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAANbIq0tE

The girl in that vid is hot, he's definitely punching above his weight. Love her sucking on the popsicle

this is funny also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB96o9ev61s

Post: #288

After being here for 3 weeks, and having several Russians discover my work, I'm confident there is no white knight/hater culture like there was in Estonia. So I will tell the city I'm in along with a mini analysis soon.

Post: #289

^^^Thanks for the green/yellow/red breakdown Roosh. It makes sense - they are screening and sorting judicously to maximize the value or min loss in each situation. Looking forward to the mini report.

Post: #290

(05-31-2014 06:23 PM)savvylurker Wrote:  Roosh, I believe that Krauser is in Russia right now and is really cleaning up judging by his blog and twitter updates. Have you compared notes with him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAANbIq0tE

It isn't Russia... I think it's somewhere in Central Europe.

Post: #291

I think status is the most important for Russian women.Like Ukrainian women they ask what car you drive,how much you pay for apartment,how much money you make etc.Everything in your appearance must show status.And then again it is battle against the local guys who play the same game and have better connections.
Generally eastern slavic girls are interested in stable things like property,salary,job etc and not in temporary things like emotions etc.All the latter is supposed to be a woman's job.

Post: #292

(06-01-2014 08:57 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 06:23 PM)savvylurker Wrote:  Roosh, I believe that Krauser is in Russia right now and is really cleaning up judging by his blog and twitter updates. Have you compared notes with him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAANbIq0tE

It isn't Russia... I think it's somewhere in Central Europe.

Krauser is in Belgrade....again.

Post: #293

(06-01-2014 04:11 AM)Clunge Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 06:23 PM)savvylurker Wrote:  Roosh, I believe that Krauser is in Russia right now and is really cleaning up judging by his blog and twitter updates. Have you compared notes with him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAANbIq0tE

The girl in that vid is hot, he's definitely punching above his weight. Love her sucking on the popsicle

this is funny also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB96o9ev61s

Respect given and I am jealous of Krauser. Chance of getting a girl like that in shithole of Washington, DC is very slim, no matter how tight one's game is. Last night I had to run massive escalation just to get a date from a 6.5
One can't put a price on a location independent job and the women benefits it brings!

Post: #294

In post #59 of this thread I actually put my money on Roosh being in Volgograd.
"3 - 1 odds on Volgograd
(perfect size, good weather (for Russia), good logistics-has metrotram, and i'm sure WGF in abundance)"

Hope my "expert" analysis was on key

Post: #295

^^

He is in a town of under million.

Post: #296

I was browsing through short-term lodging in Moscow and St. Pete. The prices are quite high, as in Scandinavia high.

Post: #297

They are both very expensive cities as most of the country's wealth is concentrated in the two capitals. Going there in Summer doesn't help either.

You could try somewhere like Nizhnij Novgorod, which is three times the size of where you are now.

If cost was irrelevant then I would choose moscow over St. Petersburg, mainly because St. Petersburg has its own culture as Odessa does in Ukraine. They are much more fickle and patriotic than the rest of the country.

Post: #298

Roosh. connect to Lover.ru guys. they will love you. they are pua in name only. russian pick up is different than american pua. there was influence but much of it was discarded as you may guess Mystery would get his clock cleaned fast fast

Post: #299

If you don't want to go for the Moscow and St. P experience you need to go outwith their large orbit. Too far east or north as well and the prices are just as expensive. Volgograd is worth a shout as said above, and will give you the southern Russian experience. It's probably been mentioned before as well but Yekaterinburg is a worthwhile option as it's also a regional hub for the Urals and Sverdlovsk Oblast, has a decent university area, attracts enough entertainment events to be interesting, isn't as pricey, and there's enough local pride that they don't want to be like Moscow.

I'm in Yekaterinburg just now for a few days and whilst I've seen less high-end talent than Moscow, there are enough 7s and 8s on the streets and metro to appreciate the summer view. It can be a pain walking about due to the layout and rush-hour traffic so you would need to find somewhere close to the hotspots or else get a place central on the north-south line of the city, as that's where the only real metro line runs through (23 rubles a journey, or about $0.65). There are plenty of places and nature around the city if you want to get out and do some exploring for the day/weekend, and the population of around 1,350,000 means you won't be too familiar to everyone so quickly.

On the downside, you won't be a big novelty. It's not Moscow, but it still attracts some tourists and foreign workers, and you won't find escalating any easier than other Russian cities. It's still just as common for young women to stay with family/friends/old women with a spare room, so they'll value their reputation in those scenarios.

Post: #300

Roosh, come to Moscow via Airbnb. Cheaper than the Scandi priced hotels. Anywhere within the 2nd ring is fine. Within the 1st, especially the northern or southwest side, the world will be your oyster.

Almost everyone speaks English, and westerners get much love. Daygame = ez mode