Post: #926

(07-05-2016 12:04 PM)Beijong Wrote:  I prefer Siberia because from what I could tell about my last trip to Moscow, girls there are more ruthless, less sweet, city folks who speak Russian as opposed to the traditional type of girls I meet in Siberia.

I beg to differ. Provincial Russian girls are much sluttier. Your absolute best bet for a long-term girlfriend in Russia is a rich Moscow girl. These girls are solid as can be, raised in good families, uncheckered sexual histories, don't drink, looking for a serious relationship. Many are beautiful and absolutely lovely people.

Contrary to popular belief, provinciality does not correlate with traditionalism. Perhaps it did a hundred years ago, but no more. In today's world, it is good families and money that keep women on the right track.

Think for instance of Ivanka Trump. Unlike in Russia, not all Western rich girls will be solid, but if they come from a good family (and by good, I mean solid and protecting, alpha father, etc.), they will be on the right path. I would bet my whole fortune that Trump's daughter hasn't fucked more than 5 guys. A girl who was born and raised in New York City, of all places. Don't underestimate the power that a good solid family has on a girl's upbringing, and this is especially true in Russia, where fathers, and especially rich fathers, are as alpha as it gets.

Post: #927

(07-26-2016 02:20 PM)Lindsey Graham Wrote:  

(07-05-2016 12:04 PM)Beijong Wrote:  I prefer Siberia because from what I could tell about my last trip to Moscow, girls there are more ruthless, less sweet, city folks who speak Russian as opposed to the traditional type of girls I meet in Siberia.

I beg to differ. Provincial Russian girls are much sluttier. Your absolute best bet for a long-term girlfriend in Russia is a rich Moscow girl. These girls are solid as can be, raised in good families, uncheckered sexual histories, don't drink, looking for a serious relationship. Many are beautiful and absolutely lovely people.

Contrary to popular belief, provinciality does not correlate with traditionalism. Perhaps it did a hundred years ago, but no more. In today's world, it is good families and money that keep women on the right track.

Think for instance of Ivanka Trump. Unlike in Russia, not all Western rich girls will be solid, but if they come from a good family (and by good, I mean solid and protecting, alpha father, etc.), they will be on the right path. I would bet my whole fortune that Trump's daughter hasn't fucked more than 5 guys. A girl who was born and raised in New York City, of all places. Don't underestimate the power that a good solid family has on a girl's upbringing, and this is especially true in Russia, where fathers, and especially rich fathers, are as alpha as it gets.

Very interesting insight. I've never thought of it this way. Could you elaborate more on that?

Post: #928

Good points.

(07-26-2016 02:20 PM)Lindsey Graham Wrote:  Provincial Russian girls are much sluttier.

This is not my experience. But well, taste differs.

(07-26-2016 02:20 PM)Lindsey Graham Wrote:  Your absolute best bet for a long-term girlfriend in Russia is a rich Moscow girl. These girls are solid as can be, raised in good families, uncheckered sexual histories, don't drink, looking for a serious relationship. Many are beautiful and absolutely lovely people.

To be rich in a person in Moscow or St. Peter does not mean that you come from good family. Many rich people in Russia made a living collecting bribes or similar activities. So, if a girl has rich parents, it does not mean that she will be an angel.

Besides that, not all girls in the regions are poor. In the city of Tyumen for example you will find many rich girls, mostly because their parents made a fortune working hard in the oil and gas industry (which is in crisis right now thou) and that is imho a honest way to become rich.

Post: #929

Flights on Aeroflot from Moscow to Vladivostok are $183 USD one way or $303 USD round trip starting in mid-September.

I'm not sure whether that's the regular price, but seems like a good deal for an 8 hour flight across Asia.

I bought a ticket.

Post: #930

(07-30-2016 01:47 PM)edlefou Wrote:  Flights on Aeroflot from Moscow to Vladivostok are $183 USD one way or $303 USD round trip starting in mid-September.

I'm not sure whether that's the regular price, but seems like a good deal for an 8 hour flight across Asia.

I bought a ticket.

Not bad considering the distance. Have a good trip. I look forward to your impressions.

Post: #931

Can any of you guys give me some advice about a tourist visa.
I have a three week vacation coming up in mid September. Still trying to decide where I would like to go. Looked online about tourist visa to Russia. Found a company that says about 300$ for a 30 day visa. Expected delivery time of 6 weeks. Does this sound about right? Is this all I need to do?

Post: #932

If you're American you should get the 3 year visa, even if you're planning on 3 weeks.

It's the same amount of hassle with invitations, costs, etc., but then you can visit whenever you want over the next 3 years and if you don't it's no big deal.

(08-03-2016 02:15 AM)Schlep Wrote:  Can any of you guys give me some advice about a tourist visa.
I have a three week vacation coming up in mid September. Still trying to decide where I would like to go. Looked online about tourist visa to Russia. Found a company that says about 300$ for a 30 day visa. Expected delivery time of 6 weeks. Does this sound about right? Is this all I need to do?

Post: #933

^ Thats a good idea. So you can do everything online?

Post: #934

If you need russian visa details, pm me. I'll help out.

Post: #935

Instead of clogging the forum, I think I'll just post this here.

I have basically been talking to this Russian girl online for the past 10 months. She's a provincial girl who works in Moscow, and her job pays really bad (OK before you guys start getting any ideas, this isn't some post about how I've been sponsoring her this whole time and sending her $1000 a month!). She's been saving since February to visit me and she will be getting a bonus at work at the end of this month and will be able to get tickets to Poland for the second weekend in September (I'll fly out to Poland as well, it would have been nigh on impossible for her to fly to me considering the strict visa requirements). We've already booked an apartment, and she's paid me the money for half the cost of it. I haven't booked my ticket yet; I'll only book it once she does.

Now two questions:

1). Considering she earns a paltry wage, even for Russian standards, am I right in making her basically pay for her own shit and go half/half on the accommodation? I mean it seems she doesn't seem to mind paying her own way, but from what I've read on here Russian girls definitely make the guy pay if they like them.

2). And this is the most important, although I've gamed her well for the past 10 months, ever since we booked the apartment I feel my game has waned big time. I'm just playing it too safe and beta. Most of all, whenever she wants to talk, I feel like I have nothing to say, nothing to discuss, nothing to talk to her about, but this wasn't the case before. I guess this is a general game question, and not one which pertains to Russian girls, but how do I keep her hooked for another five weeks? I never looked at it from the point of view of keeping her hooked before, but now I just have the mindset of just getting through the next few weeks ever since we confirmed the dates.

Also about getting catfished etc, I've skyped with her numerous times, and she's shown me her whole life, so I'm 99.9% sure a beefed up gopnik isn't going to turn up to kill me.

Post: #936

(08-10-2016 07:14 PM)Möbius band Wrote:  Instead of clogging the forum, I think I'll just post this here.

I have basically been talking to this Russian girl online for the past 10 months. She's a provincial girl who works in Moscow, and her job pays really bad (OK before you guys start getting any ideas, this isn't some post about how I've been sponsoring her this whole time and sending her $1000 a month!). She's been saving since February to visit me and she will be getting a bonus at work at the end of this month and will be able to get tickets to Poland for the second weekend in September (I'll fly out to Poland as well, it would have been nigh on impossible for her to fly to me considering the strict visa requirements). We've already booked an apartment, and she's paid me the money for half the cost of it. I haven't booked my ticket yet; I'll only book it once she does.

Now two questions:

1). Considering she earns a paltry wage, even for Russian standards, am I right in making her basically pay for her own shit and go half/half on the accommodation? I mean it seems she doesn't seem to mind paying her own way, but from what I've read on here Russian girls definitely make the guy pay if they like them.

2). And this is the most important, although I've gamed her well for the past 10 months, ever since we booked the apartment I feel my game has waned big time. I'm just playing it too safe and beta. Most of all, whenever she wants to talk, I feel like I have nothing to say, nothing to discuss, nothing to talk to her about, but this wasn't the case before. I guess this is a general game question, and not one which pertains to Russian girls, but how do I keep her hooked for another five weeks? I never looked at it from the point of view of keeping her hooked before, but now I just have the mindset of just getting through the next few weeks ever since we confirmed the dates.

Also about getting catfished etc, I've skyped with her numerous times, and she's shown me her whole life, so I'm 99.9% sure a beefed up gopnik isn't going to turn up to kill me.

Yeah you should buy her the ticket or somehow make it less expensive trip for her. It's just a matter of class and tradition in Russia. Especially if she is poor. Making her pay half was a bad move on your part.
Why Poland? Does she have the Shengen Visa already? Has she traveled before? There are many way more beautiful romantic places you two can travel visa free (for her) than Poland. I say fly her to Antalya and spend a few days on the beach!
At this point,don't worry about "game"...just try to be yourself and see if she likes you for who you are. Do you like her for who she is? Think about that.

Post: #937

^I disagree with Wayout here. If she's ok with paying her way, that's fine. She is invested in this trip, so no need to overgame and worry about keeping her hooked. She is ok with paying for her ticket and sharing the apartment cost, so she may be a keeper (no guarantee though). I would probably offer to pay for the apartment and let her buy her own ticket, but since she already paid, that's ok. You can take her out to restaurants and bars, they are not too expensive in Poland anyway. Also, while you could have chosen a more romantic place than Poland, I would definitely not take her to Turkey. You don't want to compete with Turks for her attention.

There are better ways to show class than being a walking wallet.

Post: #938

And there are better ways to be an alpha than making a poor girl pay whats a substantial amount in her life for a trip.

We talk about women not being feminine and gender roles. When a woman is a good feminine woman as many russian women are and understands the womans role, then you must understand man's as well.

We bitch about career oriented western women, but if you dont want women to focus on the career AND you dont want to take that role for her, then what do you expect?

Hypothetically, say you let her pay and she comes and you fuck her and never talk to her again. What effect have you had on this woman? You showed her that she should be a career focused slut instead. Embrace your role as a man and let her embrace hers as a woman.

It is not a victory to make a poor woman from a poor country pay when she is a good woman.

Post: #939

If we want or dont want. The Western culture of feminism is unfortunately coming to Russia, step by step. I lost the count of how many lawyers, auditors and managers I dated in Moscow, they earn more then me, by far (which doesn't mean that they are willing to go Dutch, nah, specially the "экономи́ст" group). The good side as some already posted, we expect them to share costs. The bad side is that they might lose some feminine attitudes.
So basically you never saw this person in real life and you are going to live with her in the same flat right away. Quite brave plan. Udachi Vam!

Post: #940

(08-10-2016 10:28 PM)Wayout Wrote:  Yeah you should buy her the ticket or somehow make it less expensive trip for her. It's just a matter of class and tradition in Russia. Especially if she is poor. Making her pay half was a bad move on your part.
Why Poland? Does she have the Shengen Visa already? Has she traveled before? There are many way more beautiful romantic places you two can travel visa free (for her) than Poland. I say fly her to Antalya and spend a few days on the beach!
At this point,don't worry about "game"...just try to be yourself and see if she likes you for who you are. Do you like her for who she is? Think about that.

Well it was either Poland or Helsinki as they were the cheapest tickets. She told me she'd prefer Poland as everything would be cheaper there. Yeah she has Schengen Visa already, as well as having travelled quite a lot to Eastern Europe and Scandinavia with her parents.

(08-10-2016 10:56 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ^I disagree with Wayout here. If she's ok with paying her way, that's fine. She is invested in this trip, so no need to overgame and worry about keeping her hooked. She is ok with paying for her ticket and sharing the apartment cost, so she may be a keeper (no guarantee though). I would probably offer to pay for the apartment and let her buy her own ticket, but since she already paid, that's ok. You can take her out to restaurants and bars, they are not too expensive in Poland anyway. Also, while you could have chosen a more romantic place than Poland, I would definitely not take her to Turkey. You don't want to compete with Turks for her attention.

There are better ways to show class than being a walking wallet.

Well once she books her tickets I am planning to give her money of the apartment back. The flights by themselves are 1/3 of her monthly pay check she receives. I've also told her I'll cover all the food/general costs while we're in Poland. Spending 1/3 of her salary on just a weekend is pretty hefty on her.

I have one idea if the trip goes well and that's to buy her a longboard. She's taken up classes for it recently but can't afford a longboard (She just uses the one they give her at the classes she takes). I know that she's had to choose between seeing me and buying a longboard, so if she sweet and feminine when I see her, I will definitely reward her. I just don't want to invest money into her just yet like a desperate beta.

And yeah agreed about Turkey, don't want to go to that Islamist shit hole.

(08-11-2016 05:02 AM)Beirut Wrote:  And there are better ways to be an alpha than making a poor girl pay whats a substantial amount in her life for a trip.

We talk about women not being feminine and gender roles. When a woman is a good feminine woman as many russian women are and understands the womans role, then you must understand man's as well.

We bitch about career oriented western women, but if you dont want women to focus on the career AND you dont want to take that role for her, then what do you expect?

Hypothetically, say you let her pay and she comes and you fuck her and never talk to her again. What effect have you had on this woman? You showed her that she should be a career focused slut instead. Embrace your role as a man and let her embrace hers as a woman.

It is not a victory to make a poor woman from a poor country pay when she is a good woman.

I understand what you're saying. And after the advice given on this thread I think I will pay for her in some way, but not until she's come and seen me. Don't want to set a precedent that I will mindlessly spend money on her.

Post: #941

^^^ A longboard!?? For her to go to Biarritz or Portugal to bang some surfer boys?

Nah...forget about it. Also you are going to reward a girl with a relatively expensive gift if she is sweet and feminine, wich is not more than her obligation. You are also on your way to Poland so you are making a commitment too of time and money. Think more abot you and less in her, and do not make big plans/predictions. Just go to Poland, bang her, and then onwards you will see.

We are talking about a weekend here, she is not yet someone you banged at least 5 times.

I disagree with Beirut. If she goes to another country to meet a guy she knows what is going to happen, she is not that naive. There are no unicorns. Feminity is not the same as perfection.

Edit: Girls of one country are a product of men from that same country. Russians are feminine for a reason, because guys normally do not take much crap from them.
In the west the constant validation and bajulation of women as low as 5s and 6s makes for what they are

Post: #942

They dont take crap from them in terms of behavior.

But i doubt the russian men successful with women make them pay whats a very sizable and important amount to them.

When a western guy behaves like this or has that mentality, to me it seems he is acting as entitled as the western women he despises.

You really think she talked to a guy for one year and is paying herself for a trip just so she can get fucked? Shes obviously invested way beyond that.

Ive had poor girls or girls from poor countries suggest theyd come meet me at their own expense many times but i find no satisfaction at all agreeing to this. Again, the amount relatively to her is probably something we wouldnt spend ourselves for them or anyone else. Theres no harm being considerate to a decent girls situation when so many of them are very poor.

Being a provider isnt about paying for a girl. Thats a mistake many men make. Being a beta provider is receiving less than what you give.
You could spend a billion on a girl and she could be worth it and you could spend 10 dollars on one nd it would be 10 dollars too much.

Post: #943

^^^ That is a noble mentality. And if it makes you feel good with yourself, then why not.

On the contrary, I just do not take anything they (women) say for granted, only exception is my dear mother.
I have seen "poor girls from the village" opening their wallet and vislumbrated a big wad of bills that I envied.

Post: #944

To answer the question about paying or not paying, first you must question yourself if you are capable of paying it. Some guys here don’t have a lot of cash. I for example avoid to pay when I can, Im not rich. Only in extreme cases (when for example a bang is at least 99% guaranteed). If I were rich I would spend more in women (those who deserves of course) and fun, no question about that. I knew a guy from the west who had some girls in the pipeline for an one week vacation in Moscow as he doesn’t live in Russia, oh man I can tell you those girls had lunches and dinners with him, oh yes, but well simply story short, no bang (the excuses went from “But I don’t know you enough” to “critical days”). But to be fair, he has cash, so financially it didn’t hurt him a lot, but maybe emotionally. Or maybe not even emotionally, because to my surprise he is ready to come back next year and try the same strategy again, о го́споди! Some guys never learn. But I must give him the credit that the girls were young and hot, typical generation понты.
- Come on now, you prepared this trip for months, dont tell me it was a zero banger
- It is not that easy man, it takes time, one week is too short...

Here an interesting article I wanna share with you guys
http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/14/121830...eiter-uber

Post: #945

(08-11-2016 12:05 PM)JeanJaq Wrote:  To answer the question about paying or not paying, first you must question yourself if you are capable to pay it. Some guys here don’t have a lot of cash. I for example avoid to pay when I can, Im not rich. Only in extreme cases (when for example a bang is at least 99% guaranteed). If I were rich I would spend more in women (those who deserves of course) and fun, no question about that. I knew a guy from the west who had some girls in the pipeline for an one week vacation in Moscow as he doesn’t live in Russia, oh man I can tell you those girls had lunches and dinners with him, oh yes, but well simply story short, no bang (the excuses went from “But I don’t know you enough” to “critical days”). But to be fair, he has cash, so financially it didn’t hurt him a lot, but maybe emotionally. Or maybe not even emotionally, because to my surprise he is ready to come back next year and try the same strategy again, о го́споди! Some guys never learn.

Here an interesting article I wanna share with you guys
http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/14/121830...eiter-uber

Well the money isn't a problem to me at all. I haven't told her this of course, I don't really discuss my finances with anyone, but she might suspect that I'm not someone living pay check to pay check as I show her pics of when I take trips to countries (And she even got sad once that I go abroad quite frequently yet haven't come to visit her in Russia).

The bang is 99.9999% guaranteed, she even told me that the longest part will be waiting for me to arrive at the apartment from the airport (she will arrive before me and check in), and I told her to be waiting for me in her sexiest lingerie to which she said enthusiastically complied.

What I don't get is her end game to this. What's her angle? Why is she willing to spend so much money to see me? I'm sure she has been gamed before (maybe even some of the RVF guys here ) as I can tell she's dated a foreign guy before at least, and if she is really into foreign guys I'm sure there's not a dearth of them in Moscow; not like I'm the only foreign guy she is able to talk to. Neither do I look anything special, just average looking if that. Neither does it seem like she's in it for the money as she's never asked me for a cent even while paying for the flights/hotels.

Oh well, we'll see what happens. In regards to money, I am only asking because the whole thing is a significant amount for her, and I have read from here that girls in Russia like it when the men pay, and pay themselves when they're not interested in the guy.

And oh man that guy in your story got played so badly. I never understood investing money into a girl until you get the bang, especially on expensive lunch and dinner dates. Maybe you should mentor him when he comes next year, bang the girls he's got dates lined up with to show him how it's done.

Post: #946

(08-11-2016 12:05 PM)JeanJaq Wrote:  To answer the question about paying or not paying, first you must question yourself if you are capable of paying it. Some guys here don’t have a lot of cash. I for example avoid to pay when I can,

In the FSU, men are expected to call the shots, period. It's a fact of life in this part of the world. And even if a russian (or ukrainian for that matter) woman has reached a point in her life where she has enough disposable income to pay her own bills, way deep down inside her russkaya dusha, she yearns for a real man who will dominate her by taking charge, making the decisions and calling the shots ....for her, anything else in not a "real man" (worth fucking). If you go dutch or if you are a stingy cheapo, maybe - maybe, if it's a skank who is really desesperate - you can still get the bang, but she will anyway never respect you.

Even a broke gopnik with a bit of self-respect will never ever go dutch.

Post: #947

Hey Möbius

Thanks for sharing this story here. I am really impressed you managed to keep an online flirt going for 10 months. I would have lost interest at some point or would have wanted to see her way much before. If you don´t mind asking how do you communicate on Skype video chat, viber or Whatsapp? And how often do you communicate. Is she usually getting in touch with you or vice versa. And then what how would you rate her a Russian 7 or even better? And roughly how old is she?
If you managed to keep her invested for such a long period she might have developed serious feelings for you and might be some kind of serious for more.

To answer your question I would have not paid her flight but would have paid the full apartment price.

(08-11-2016 12:57 PM)Möbius band Wrote:  And oh man that guy in your story got played so badly. I never understood investing money into a girl until you get the bang, especially on expensive lunch and dinner dates. Maybe you should mentor him when he comes next year, bang the girls he's got dates lined up with to show him how it's done.

Yes guys might get played (I admit that it happened to me too) but in countries like Russia and Ukraine you will not get a bang if you are not able to pay for a lunch or a coffee.

I am not talking about super expensive restaurants but if you are not able or if you don`t want to spend €5 on a pizza and a juice for a girl she will not hang out with you for a second time. I am often not even sure if some girls even bring a wallet on dates.

Post: #948

(08-11-2016 01:31 PM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 12:05 PM)JeanJaq Wrote:  To answer the question about paying or not paying, first you must question yourself if you are capable of paying it. Some guys here don’t have a lot of cash. I for example avoid to pay when I can,

In the FSU, men are expected to call the shots, period. It's a fact of life in this part of the world. And even if a russian (or ukrainian for that matter) woman has reached a point in her life where she has enough disposable income to pay her own bills, way deep down inside her russkaya dusha, she yearns for a real man who will dominate her by taking charge, making the decisions and calling the shots ....for her, anything else in not a "real man" (worth fucking). If you "go dutch"" or if you are a stingy cheapo, maybe - maybe, if the girl is desesperate - you can still get the bang, but she will never respect you.

True. Period.

Just that not every girl is worth the investment. And as she is an online prospect it is even harder to scan.

Post: #949

(08-11-2016 01:59 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Just that not every girl is worth the investment. And as she is an online prospect it is even harder to scan.

Exactly. If she deserves yes.
And once I was reading a very informative post from a Russian guy called Vinny. He posted once "My hottest girl was from Russia, 8,5 even 9 I would say looking on it from Asia (I am too picky). I declined buying her a drink at a karaoke bar. That was one of the main reasons she ended up in my bed in few days. She loved my strong stance, probably not used receiving no as an answer. And even though she was a model and a 9 she still cooked me breakfast."
I think such kind of alphtitude for sure does not match the mainstream of Russian girls, but I saw some guys getting what they wanted without having to buy her anything. And it happened to me as well, but I agree that this is rather rare. Im quite skeptical before I see some concrete action... but, "afterwards" I am quite generous ))) and I even pay the taxi for them to get home ))) when they live after 1am)))
There is a theory that says "A woman decides within the first 30 seconds of meeting a guy if she's going to sleep with him".
If the decision is нет, a dinner or two (or three) will not change that decision. But it can facilitate and/or accelerate the process, if the decision was, anyway да.
In Moscow I prefer to go to places like cocktail bars, not to expensive restaurants. If I could afford I would go to more expensive places. Once I met a girl who, as coincidence, was just coming from a dinner with a guy she met on tinder, he paid her expensive dinner (incluing red wine). But then said goodbye: "The chemistry didnt match" she explained. I met her in the bar, we had some drinks and well, "the chemistry matched". But yes, I had to pay some drinks. Nothing will come from nothing). But I liked the idea of meeting "after dinner".
After all, yes, it is a culture of Padoroks and we are not here to change it. Its take it or leave it)

Post: #950

(08-11-2016 05:50 AM)Möbius band Wrote:  Well it was either Poland or Helsinki as they were the cheapest tickets. She told me she'd prefer Poland as everything would be cheaper there. Yeah she has Schengen Visa already, as well as having travelled quite a lot to Eastern Europe and Scandinavia with her parents.

Are you sure she is really poor? I used to be poor and know what it's like (not that I'm rich now, but I used to be much poorer). I also know a lot of poor people. They don't travel around Europe. The poorest ones don't really travel much anywhere. She may be earning very little right now, but her parents may have some money, real estate, etc. if they can afford to travel around Europe, particularly Scandinavia which is pretty expensive.

Regardless of her circumstances, It's good that she is investing at least something in this trip. It's not about saving your money, because it seems like it's a negligible amount for you anyway. It's about being sure that she's not taking advantage of you.

The truth is, if a girl is much poorer than you and you pay all the expenses, there is absolutely no way you can be sure she's not with you because of your money no matter what paper alphas out there claim. Women have evolved to be very good at acting, so even the wisest among us can be fooled by them. The only way you can tell that a poor girl is with you because of you is if she doesn't benefit financially from being with you.