Post: #1

Hopefully this thread is cool with the mods.

I wanted to make a thread where people could share what countries/cities certain popular recreational or prescription drugs (without a prescription) are legal. There's a decent amount of information already on the forum but it would be helpful to have it all in one spot. Also, if you're looking for information on where to find something or how hard it is to get, you can ask here.

I don't condone any sort of trafficking/couriering or using these drugs in places where they aren't legal.

Obviously, I could search through Google and list a lot of random info from other sources but I'm hoping people have first hand information to share about places they've actually been. It'd be great to break it down with a little detail and describe how hard it actually is to get and what the general attitude is towards it from the locals.

I have experience in Davao City, Philippines, where I can confidently tell you that basically every drug is very illegal and prescription drugs are highly regulated in comparison with other locations in the Phils or SEA. There's also many fairly common medications from the US that they don't sell (modafinil, Ambien, anything amphetamine based like Adderall, etc.), so a prescription still won't do you any good. Even weed tends to be fairly taboo and I hesitate to bring it up. It took me ten minutes just to convince a chick who is usually very submissive and eager to please to pick up a pack of cigarettes from the convenience store.

I'm very interested in places where mushrooms are legal and easy to find and/or where modafinil or Vyvanze (lisdexamfetamine dimesylate) can be bought without a prescription.

Post: #2

I am not into it at all, but Czech Republic is well known for having the most liberal policy regarding drugs in whole Eastern Europe.

Post: #3

(05-04-2014 04:13 AM)whoishe Wrote:  I am not into it at all, but Czech Republic is well known for having the most liberal policy regarding drugs in whole Eastern Europe.

Did some digging and apparently possession of small amounts of most recreational drugs only results in a warning or potential misdemeanor/small fine. Interesting. I'm wondering how accessible things are to a foreigner with limited connections?

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(05-04-2014 05:49 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(05-04-2014 04:13 AM)whoishe Wrote:  I am not into it at all, but Czech Republic is well known for having the most liberal policy regarding drugs in whole Eastern Europe.

Did some digging and apparently possession of small amounts of most recreational drugs only results in a warning or potential misdemeanor/small fine. Interesting. I'm wondering how accessible things are to a foreigner with limited connections?

If you go around Prague centre making sure you will look as tourist, you can be pretty sure that rather sooner or later you will be approached by local Jamaicans (I think) offering you various stuff and activity

Post: #5

In Prague avoid buying from guys in the street, they have no accountability and will be more likely to sell you junk product or rob you in an alleyway. In many bars there will be sellers who are known to the bar, as they have more of an interest in maintaining a good reputation they will likely be better to deal with. Obviously you should be subtle in identifying them.

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In Thailand it's fairly easy to get Valium. Viagra is widely available all throughout SEA. I believe Modafinil is easy to get in India.

I believe mushrooms is legal in Indonesia. Gilli Trawagan near Bali is a great place to do it. I had a great trip there. Beautiful place.

Why bother with legality anyway? Just get it whether it's illegal or not. If you're American, it's illegal for you to obtain drugs even if it's legal in the local country. So you're breaking the law anyway, why bother going out of your way not to break the law?

Post: #7

(05-04-2014 06:06 AM)draguer Wrote:  In Prague avoid buying from guys in the street, they have no accountability and will be more likely to sell you junk product or rob you in an alleyway. In many bars there will be sellers who are known to the bar, as they have more of an interest in maintaining a good reputation they will likely be better to deal with. Obviously you should be subtle in identifying them.

Thanks for the info. I figured the guys approaching you wouldn't be the best to deal with, especially if they're targeting you as a tourist.

(05-04-2014 06:26 AM)JJJames Wrote:  In Thailand it's fairly easy to get Valium. Viagra is widely available all throughout SEA. I believe Modafinil is easy to get in India.

Pretty much everything prescription is legal and cheap in India, from what I've heard. Weed is also legal there.

Quote:Why bother with legality anyway? Just get it whether it's illegal or not. If you're American, it's illegal for you to obtain drugs even if it's legal in the local country. So you're breaking the law anyway, why bother going out of your way not to break the law?

Because I don't want to get hit with a huge fine, arrested, or face any other sort of excessive legal issues. There's a big difference between doing something in the country you grew up in and dealing with someone you barely know in a place where the laws aren't familiar or are enforced differently or inconsistently from how they are written.

I've never heard of Americans being hit with harsher penalties in places where something is legal or decriminalized but feel free to share more details on the topic as it's obviously very relevant to the thread.

Also, it's going to be much easier to come by if it's legal/decriminalized.

Post: #8

If you're into smoking. Go to Pakistan.
If you're into opium. Go to Iran.

And I remember it was possible to do most things in Sihanoukville,Cambodia.
Not legal, but nobody cares.

Post: #9

I tried getting Codeine and Valium and other similar prescription drugs from the chemist/pharmacist in Central America, specifically Nicaragua. The pharmacists just looked at me and kind of laughed, and wouldn't sell it.

In Japan, weed is very much illegal but the cops sometimes have no idea what it even smells like. To the point where you would drive up next to a cop car, having smoked and the car reeking of weed, and the cop just sits there, ignorant as to what's happening. That said, getting caught with weed in Japan can carry serious repercussions.

Uruguay recently made it legal to purchase marijuana, though I don't know if that includes foreigners.

Post: #10

(05-04-2014 06:26 AM)JJJames Wrote:  If you're American, it's illegal for you to obtain drugs even if it's legal in the local country. So you're breaking the law anyway, why bother going out of your way not to break the law?

Are you saying that it is illegal for an American to use drugs in another country where their use is legal, if they are illegal in the U.S.? If so, you need to provide a web link for that claim. I have never heard of such a thing.

The only extra-jurisdictional criminal law for U.S. citizens of which I am aware -- for doing something that is legal in another country -- is child prostitution.

Post: #11

Yeah you need a real connection in Prague and almost anywhere. These African dudes on the street are almost always selling you chalk cut with a tiny bit of caffeine.

In Thailand I would just go into the pharmacy and ask for 100 pills of valium and 100 of xanax. They were pretty expensive. I cant remember for sure but I think it was about $15 for 10.

Post: #12

Here's a breakdown of places I've been or know about with interesting drug policies or laws.

Legal:

First of all, where I live weed is legal (colorado), I'm in Jamaica right now and I keep showing people this picture I took of a nug with a receipt showing I bought it legally from a store. It's blowing people's minds. It blew my mind the first time I walked into a store and saw all the different edibles and nugs and even sodas they were selling. There are countless ways to get high these days. The other day my friend had a patch that you stick on your skin that makes you high.

Mexico (and I'm pretty sure some other Latin American countries, though I haven't tried): you can get somas (muscle relaxers that make you feel slightly drunk), hydro codone, Xanax, and other drugs that may only be bought with prescriptions in the US are available over the counter in Mexico. Shit, I remember my friends dad even brining back ketamine from a veterinarian back from Mexico. With the K though I'm not sure how he worked that out. Also, I just read Mexico has basically legalized small amounts of most drugs, but I wouldn't test that as a gringo.

Colombia (and probably other Latin countries as well): you can purchase Viagra without a prescription, and it's pretty common amongst men out there, especially a lot of expats I met. I guess it makes you rock hard and you can go forever. I never did it as I don't want to become dependent on that stuff to get hard. I also don't have a problem lasting long. I will confide though that I was going to try it once, but the girl I had planned on fucking with it pissed me off and I stopped talking to her after that.

Another thing about Colombia, I had heard from many people that certain amounts of weed, and even cocaine was legal, then I heard from other it wasn't. The ones who said it was, the quantities would always vary. I'm still not really sure what to believe about it.

Update, I just looked into it, and one gram of cocaine is in fact legal in Colombia. In Peru, 2 grams is legal, though it says cops will still fuck with you. I wouldn't recommend testing those laws in either country, as they are corrupt and I'm sure the cops at the very least would try and get money out of you if caught given that you're a gringo. Here's a list of cocaine laws throughout the world, pretty interesting stuff...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cocaine

Uruguay: pot is totally legal.

Overlooked/tolerated:

Now, I don't condone or suggest that people do drugs in these places, but here's what I've found.


Interesting fact: weed isn't nor has it ever been legal in Amersterdam. It was always just tolerated. I hear now though that they aren't even letting tourists smoke their anymore, but not sure about that.

Montañita, Ecuador: though it's not legal, you'll see massive amounts of people openly smoking weed on the beach in Ecuador. Hell, I've never even seen a cop that I can recall in that town.

Brazil: I'm not sure about laws in brazil regarding mushrooms, but what I do know is not many people do them and they can not be bought. For some reason there are lots of stories about people having "friends of friends" or "someone they heard about" going permanently insane from taking mushrooms. When I was in brazil, my friends out there had lived in the states and like mushrooms. They knew the stories of people going insane on them were bullshit. We ended up waiting for the right time (right after it rains and the sun comes out) and went out to the farm country. We went to these farmers door and knocked and asked if it would be alright for us to pick some funguses on their farm "for a college experiment we were doing on funguses." We ended up picking about a bunch of shrooms and eating them later that night. I must warn you there are many different types of shrooms out there and I'm sure some are poisonous. You have to know which ones to pick, and my friends do (and taught me). Also, they're pretty nasty because they aren't dried out. I don't like regular mushrooms that you eat on food even, so they were tough for me to stomach.

Jamaica: weed is definitely illegal here (though they are in the process of trying to legalize), but it has to be the easiest place in the world to find it if you don't know anyone. Literally 2 minutes after I got out of customs I had people asking me. I obviously said no at the airport. I've been offered a million times since. At first I was thinking about it, but realized I would be ripped off. Weed isn't important enough to me to get ripped off buying it. I would inquire the first couple times. Now I just straight up say I don't smoke, as if you inquire, people just persist and hound you. It's quite annoying.

Post: #13

(05-05-2014 02:10 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  Interesting fact: weed isn't nor has it ever been legal in Amersterdam. It was always just tolerated. I hear now though that they aren't even letting tourists smoke their anymore, but not sure about that.

Every year you hear news reports saying that weed is no longer legal or they no longer sell to tourists in Amsterdam.
It's all speculation and bullshit.
I was there in February and bought some brownies. I didn't buy anything to smoke because it was 80€ per gram!

But there are lots of places that tourists can walk in and buy weed. Fuck, the place i bought the brownies from had tourists working there!

Post: #14

(05-05-2014 12:45 AM)spalex Wrote:  Yeah you need a real connection in Prague and almost anywhere. These African dudes on the street are almost always selling you chalk cut with a tiny bit of caffeine.

Yeah, that's the overlooked aspect of it all. Even in the US it was hard to find anything outside of the basics unless you had a really specific set of connects. You'd also have nights where you'll call half the people in your phone just trying to find some smoke.

I'm guessing the best way in most countries is going to be getting in good with a girl you can go through.

Post: #15

UK: Salvia

Weirdly you can buy this legally online

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Spalex, you can buy it in Amsterdam, but it's still not legal. Like I said, it's technically illegal, but it's tolerated and basically the same thing as being legal.

In CO weed is mad overpriced too. It's sometimes $30-40 a gram. A lot of places do 50% off for locals though. My friend works at a dispensary so I only pay $10 a gram. I can get it cheaper from friends, as so can most people, but I honestly pay the extra couple dollars to go to the shop for the convenience. If I every bought bulk I'd go through a friend, but I don't smoke much, a gram can last me up to a week sometimes.

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(05-05-2014 02:10 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  Mexico (and I'm pretty sure some other Latin American countries, though I haven't tried): you can get somas (muscle relaxers that make you feel slightly drunk), hydro codone, Xanax, and other drugs that may only be bought with prescriptions in the US are available over the counter in Mexico. Shit, I remember my friends dad even brining back ketamine from a veterinarian back from Mexico. With the K though I'm not sure how he worked that out. Also, I just read Mexico has basically legalized small amounts of most drugs, but I wouldn't test that as a gringo.

Most well-known pharmacies in Mexico will not sell you Xanax, Valium or any other benzo without a prescription from a doctor. I've tried for the last 4 months. I had to eventually go to a doctor, and have her write me a prescription. It used to be much easier years ago. Not sure about Tijuana but heard they are more lax there.

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Alright, that might be right then. I just remember about 10-15 years ago my friends father would bring back all sorts of Valium, Xanax, and somas. He actually got caught at the border by Mexican agents. He didn't even go to jail, just had to pay a fine and was banned from Mexico for life.

Post: #19

What happened in Colombia was that the legislature tried to make possession of coke and weed illegal, but the Supreme Court struck down the laws, holding that the right to use drugs and abandon one's own health is a personal decision and isn't a state interest. I was also able to get cough medicine with codeine over the counter, basically it just depends on the guy working behind the counter at the farmacia, some of those dudes will just sell you whatever they've got back there.

Post: #20

Yah, I used to live on the Mexican border, and a lot of guys I was with would go over. Its was more tricky now I hear, but used to be you go to phamacy, they could get you a perscription there (so you could return to states with it), and sell you whatever.

Small amounts of pot was decriminalized there as of a few years ago and no fines specified (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/world/....html?_r=0) but that didn't stop a cop from shaking down a friend for $50. Another Mexican friend had his GPS stolen by a cop after he was pulled over. That was after he pleaded with him not to take his work computer.

The problem you are going to have, is any place you go where drugs are legal, is you stand out like a huge walking dollar sign, and all these types of places have laws on paper, which basically don't mean shit. I see the conversation going something like this: "But the law says..." "ok then, I'm not 'fining' you, I'm 'robbing' you"

Post: #21

^ Except CO or WA. I don't think Washington really has its shit together yet. Only problem with CO is it's just way to over priced in the stores if you're a tourist. But hell, if you're coming from out of town for a couple days, you don't need that much anyways, and if your staying a long time, you're bound to find a very cheap street dealer.

Last time I was in Denver was before my area had opened any pot shops. I could have gotten weed from my street dealer for super cheap, like $150 an oz. for some real good shit. Instead, I decided I wanted to purchase from a legal store for my first time. I ended up getting hustled by the shop, but it was a really cool experience. I pretty much was paying for the experience. I ended up getting one gram, 80 mgs Worth of edibles (or 8 little chocolates, where it probably takes 2 or 3 to get high), and a vape pen with a cartridge for $110. That all lasted me probably a week or less. I could have gotten an ounce for $40 and it would have lasted me at least a month.

What I'm trying to get at though is as a tourist, you'd probably rather just spend that extra money anyways just to have the experience of legally buying weed. It was really a surreal experience.

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Not trying to derail the thread, but this is too crazy to believe. Arizona had a state law (just struck down by the courts) that anyone who tested positive for trace amounts of inactive marijuana metabolites — which can stay in one’s system for up to six weeks after the last use of marijuana — was automatically guilty of Driving Under the Influence.

Meanwhile . . . . in California, Democratic Assemblymember Jim Frazier introduced a bill this year to criminalize sober driving based on trace amounts. You just can't make this stuff up. One can only ask: "Are these legislators on drugs?"

Enter the strange case of Hrach Shilgevorkyan:

Quote: Sober DUIs for Pot Are 'Absurd,' Arizona Supreme Court Affirms
Law Enforcement & Crime David Downs
Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:10 AM

The Arizona Supreme Court slapped down a dumb law that criminalized driving while sober in the medical marijuana state.

Arizona state law had held that anyone who tested positive for trace marijuana metabolites — which can stay in one’s system for up to six weeks after last use — was automatically guilty of Driving Under the Influence. The problem is: pot’s effects wear off in 60 to 180 minutes. Arizona, as a result, was imprisoning sober drivers. The state’s Supreme Court said that's "absurd."

In 2010, Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery tried to lock up sober driver Hrach Shilgevorkyan after he was pulled over by police for speeding and making an unsafe lane change and a blood test showed marijuana's inactive metabolite in his system.

Shilgevorkyan was charged with DUI and convicted; he then appealed the verdict. Arizona’s state Court of Appeals upheld the conviction saying the law “must be interpreted broadly.” But the Supreme Court found Tuesday that the lower court's interpretation "leads to absurd results."

"Most notably, this interpretation would create criminal liability regardless of how long the metabolite remains in the driver's system or whether it has any impairing effect," the Supreme Court's ruling said. "For example, at oral argument the State acknowledged that, under its reading of the statute, if a metabolite could be detected five years after ingesting a proscribed drug, a driver who tested positive for trace elements of a non-impairing substance could be prosecuted."

Additionally, the court wrote, "this interpretation would criminalize otherwise legal conduct."

“It's a victory for common sense,” wrote one Arizona columnist.

But these types of sober DUI bills are all the rage in law enforcement circles these past few years.

This year in California, Assemblymember Jim Frazier (with the help of state Senator Lou Correa) introduced a bill to criminalize sober driving, AB 2500.

Medical marijuana patients and advocates for common sense have had to fight these bills every year.

AB 2500 has since been amended from zero tolerance of "marijuana" to two nanograms of active delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol per milliliter of whole blood.

The only problem is: active THC blood levels do not correlate to impairment. "It is difficult to establish a relationship between a person's THC blood or plasma concentration and performance impairing effects," the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration writes. That’s why the FDA will give you pure THC in pill form and let you drive on it when you "are able to tolerate the drug and to perform such tasks safely".

That’s why these Washingtonians passed a driving test while testing at 16 ng/ml, three times Washington's auto-DUI limit of 5 ng/ml. (Colorado has no "per se" limit, rather a presumed inference of highness at 5 ng/ml.)

It’s this unscientific nonsense that fuels contempt for law enforcement and legislators and the otherwise vital work that they do. Cannabis legalization offers a blank slate to get laws right. Let’s start with a law that makes it a crime to criminalize innocent people.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Legalizati...rt-affirms

Post: #23

(in)famous mushroom shakes in Koh Phangan (Thailand). Available in many bars, results among friends varied from none to moderately good trips (rarely, but still). No idea if it was legal or not, nobody gives a fuck there.

Post: #24

When I expatriate from the U.S permanently, one of the reasons for it will be due to the Byzantine drug laws. Libertarians can be annoying but they're on the mark when it comes to drug policy. Who the fuck cares if I want to kill some brain cells?

SEA is even worse. Singapore, Malaysia,etc..dish out death sentences for puffing the magic dragon. It's nuts and a region I generally stay clear of.

Post: #25

In Thailand Xanax was made illegal to purchase anywhere except a hospital pharmacy. You may still be able to get it at local pharmacies but it would a lot harder and lot more expensive. Diazepam is still possible though officially it's illegal to sell OTC too.