Post: #26

Quote:Even online dating in Chiang Mai is a world apart from Bangkok.

Bangkok is a major international hub, and Philipinnes is, well, the Philippines.

Hey BB - Can you say a little more about Chiang Mai online dating? I'm heading there soon.

Post: #27

It has been 2 or 3 years since I lived there, but back then it was a bit of a dead zone for online game, so I didn't really bother. There are no doubt a few cuties on there though.

I'd just give it a search and see what's up. I imagine your best bet will be thaifriendly. There are some real hot ones on hi5, but response for quality girls on hi5 is pretty low, in my experience. Their accounts get swarmed.

Best bet is to hit the nicer, non-foreigner discos outside the center or engage women at the mall.

If you're just looking for a quick fuck and not too agonized about standards, hit the seedier spots in the center and you'll be taken care of. Zoe actually used to get some decent girls coming through that didn't mind a roll with a farang - hot upper-20s girls with cars, etc, who maybe want to try something new. At zoe, the prostitutes usually stick to the disco/dj bar and the former usually go to the mellower zoe across the street to sit at the bar. The lady who owns the place is a rich Thai, and she's pretty popular, so she gets a mixed crowd at the mellower version of her establishment.

Riverside is also a good go if you're looking for girls who don't mind meeting farang but are not freelancers or on a dead-set mission for whitey. Real mixed crowd there of moneyed Thais and foreigners. I really like Riverside, actually. Also, a lot of people don't realize Riverside actually has two restaurant/bars. Walk directly across the street from the main one, make your way through the parking lot, and the smaller venue is on the left. The bands switch places halfway through the night - the main venue fills up so fast due to the shape of the bar, but if you go across the street at that point, it can be easier to move around and often more fun. Easier to talk to the women with less people too.

If you want mostly local mainstream spot (better women but harder to pull), go to Monkey Club, Fabrique, Warm Up, Fine Thanks, Fashion House (closed for a while after shootings but may be re-opened by now), Discovery (also closed but may be reopened). Mandaley Bar has lots of gays but is a fun spot to go to and a mixed bag - that's actually in the center but mostly Thais. Big auditorium with dance shows downstairs and three clubs upstairs.

I'm sure there are many more I'm forgetting or that have opened or blown up since I left. A lot of turnover in the nightlife, and dozens of discos foreigners never go.

Fine Thanks and Mo'C Mo'L are great if you want to try relaxing, upper tier Thai restaurants. In fact, I highly recommend everyone here to see these places (especially the latter) before making any judgements on Chiang Mai. Beautiful girls usually working at both too.

Another pro-tip on Chiang Mai (and Thailand in general). Go outside the foreigner center and look for places that have the girls in beer or whiskey dresses serving. Two that come to mind are Western Bar in the Airport Plaza Shopping Mall and the beer garden area inside the Big C on the highway. Plenty other Thai restaurants have these girls though. Many are cuties, some are stunners, and they're paid to come to tables, pour drinks and at least pretend to be friendly.

I find many of these promo girls more are willing to meet a foreigner. They're not pros, but working around alcohol so much, they seem a bit more liberal and adventurous.

Game plan is just go in there, order some beers, look for one who speaks English (they'll probably have that one serve you anyways). Joke, flirt, get number before you go. Then later on invite her to one of the local discos I mentioned above. Be prepared to get a bottle and show you know how locals rule.

Cheaper maybe to just run your own usual phone game if you know what you're doing. I'm just saying don't take her to foreign spot and act like a cheapskate farang and expect her to be impressed with you.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #28

(05-05-2014 08:31 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Some may not realize it at first because girls look a lot hotter when you first arrive - the exotic factor adds two or three points when you're feeling giddy and just got off the plane.

(05-05-2014 10:05 PM)libertad1312 Wrote:  but the majority of the girls are not the best quality, even though it may feel different at that time and can be perfect if you did just arrive from overseas or are just traveling through for a few weeks.

Just to add to this lest I sound pretentious or like I'm humble-bragging about my standards, I remember when I studied in Europe, I found myself quite taken with some of the Euro chicks in my class. I made good friends with some of the local guys too, and when I mentioned how smoking one girl was, they just shrugged her off and said they didn't think she was much of anything.

Another American pointed out to me that I was subconsciously giving her another point or two because she was exotic and spoke with a French accent.

Looking at her FB photos now, I'm no longer quite so charmed by her. I've been around the world now, and at this point she looks like a pretty average bitch.

Similarly, some of these same guys were raving saying some of the American birds were hot that I didn't think were all that.

In Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia I've seen local guys hitting on or checking out so-so and even chubby white girls.

Don't underestimate the power of the exotic and the rose-colored glasses.

Oh, and just to be clear, my intention isn't to shame anyone here. Bang what you like and have fun, of course.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #29

(05-05-2014 11:16 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  It has been 2 or 3 years since I lived there, but back then it was a bit of a dead zone for online game, so I didn't really bother. There are no doubt a few cuties on there though.

I'd just give it a search and see what's up. I imagine your best bet will be thaifriendly. There are some real hot ones on hi5, but response for quality girls on hi5 is pretty low, in my experience. Their accounts get swarmed.

Best bet is to hit the nicer, non-foreigner discos outside the center or engage women at the mall.

If you're just looking for a quick fuck and not too agonized about standards, hit the seedier spots in the center and you'll be taken care of. Zoe actually used to get some decent girls coming through that didn't mind a roll with a farang - hot upper-20s girls with cars, etc, who maybe want to try something new. At zoe, the prostitutes usually stick to the disco/dj bar and the former usually go to the mellower zoe across the street to sit at the bar. The lady who owns the place is a rich Thai, and she's pretty popular, so she gets a mixed crowd at the mellower version of her establishment.

Riverside is also a good go if you're looking for girls who don't mind meeting farang but are not freelancers or on a dead-set mission for whitey. Real mixed crowd there of moneyed Thais and foreigners. I really like Riverside, actually. Also, a lot of people don't realize Riverside actually has two restaurant/bars. Walk directly across the street from the main one, make your way through the parking lot, and the smaller venue is on the left. The bands switch places halfway through the night - the main venue fills up so fast due to the shape of the bar, but if you go across the street at that point, it can be easier to move around and often more fun. Easier to talk to the women with less people too.

If you want mostly local mainstream spot (better women but harder to pull), go to Monkey Club, Fabrique, Warm Up, Fine Thanks, Fashion House (closed for a while after shootings but may be re-opened by now), Discovery (also closed but may be reopened). Mandaley Bar has lots of gays but is a fun spot to go to and a mixed bag - that's actually in the center but mostly Thais. Big auditorium with dance shows downstairs and three clubs upstairs.

I'm sure there are many more I'm forgetting or that have opened or blown up since I left. A lot of turnover in the nightlife, and dozens of discos foreigners never go.

Fine Thanks and Mo'C Mo'L are great if you want to try relaxing, upper tier Thai restaurants. In fact, I highly recommend everyone here to see these places (especially the latter) before making any judgements on Chiang Mai. Beautiful girls usually working at both too.

Another pro-tip on Chiang Mai (and Thailand in general). Go outside the foreigner center and look for places that have the girls in beer or whiskey dresses serving. Two that come to mind are Western Bar in the Airport Plaza Shopping Mall and the beer garden area inside the Big C on the highway. Plenty other Thai restaurants have these girls though. Many are cuties, some are stunners, and they're paid to come to tables, pour drinks and at least pretend to be friendly.

I find many of these promo girls more are willing to meet a foreigner. They're not pros, but working around alcohol so much, they seem a bit more liberal and adventurous.

Game plan is just go in there, order some beers, look for one who speaks English (they'll probably have that one serve you anyways). Joke, flirt, get number before you go. Then later on invite her to one of the local discos I mentioned above. Be prepared to get a bottle and show you know how locals rule.

Cheaper maybe to just run your own usual phone game if you know what you're doing. I'm just saying don't take her to foreign spot and act like a cheapskate farang and expect her to be impressed with you.

Wow. That sounds like a lot of work xD coming from the Philippines, I'm definitely spoiled. Awesome - thanks for the detailed writeup. I'll try online first, 'cuz I'm lazy, but if that doesn't work out I'll hit up some of those spots you mentioned.

Post: #30

^ I just checked DIA, and there are 56 total women (30 and under) on there from the Chiang Mai area....so there you have it.

It's a smaller city, and the women pride themselves on having a reputation as the most beautiful in the country, so saving face is a big thing there.

There are gorgeous women in Chiang Mai, but the Philippines it is not.

Quote: Be prepared to get a bottle and show you know how locals rule.

I meant to say "roll," in case anyone was confused. haha

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #31

Philippines (any city) - date in asia (free), Pina love (free), Filipino cupid (pay)
Thailand Bangkok - date in asia, Thaifriendly (free). Outside of bangkok online dating isn't too reliable, try out badoo in thailand.

Keep it simple when messaging, saying hi + a simple question/observation is usually enough for me (had 10/10 quality pics though + i'm cute), don't over game them. Second message ask for their phone number (phils) or line (thailand). If you're pipelining get their skype for webcam, only bother to do this for quality girls though. Basically just read what 20nation posted. Get a hotel within walking distance of a decent mall.

Chicks in Thailand are way more flakely than Phils, i had several girls meet me the same day from online but it's a lot harder in thailand, they seem to have a lot more going on in their lives. People say you dont have to pipeline in Phils and it's true but would rather fuck an 8 or a 6? I didn't pipeline in Thailand but i managed to scrape the same amount of notches, but the difference is the Filipina girls were better quality + when i started in Phils i had zero game, by the time i got to thailand i had some simple game/stratergy that was effective for me.

Post: #32

@BB the reality check comment was geared towards people reading this. Just trying to balance out the "jaded expat" perspective here for a bit
Of course the high-end girls wont throw themselves at white guys. But did I ever say that?

You make it seem like theres only gutter-trash and high-end girls. Thats kind of an extreme argument youre making here, ignoring the masses of average and very bangable girls in the middle.

OH boy I really regret bringing this up now... now Im having exact the argument I dont want to have

But for me its not even up to debate that SEA is a lot easier than any western country Ive ever been in. Thats why people go there in the first place.

Of course the high end wont throw themselves at you. But 5,6,7 you know my bread and butter back home... thats a lot easier to get.

And the philippines are a whole different case alltogether... I mean c'mon you dont need game there.

Maybe we should just agree to disagree before this goes on for 20+ pages.

Post: #33

Yeah I said the same about Philippines multiple times. We have no disagreement there.

(05-06-2014 05:05 AM)w00t Wrote:  Of course the high end wont throw themselves at you. But 5,6,7 you know my bread and butter back home... thats a lot easier to get.

See, we're not really disagreeing at all. Again, this is just a difference in standards. I personally don't go for 5 or 6s online - and I had mentioned earlier in the thread before you popped in that my standards on this were high. I would honestly feel embarrassed meeting such a girl at a coffee shop. I will bang them if I'm hammered at the bar and one thing leads to another (I won't walk them downstairs afterwards), but I guess I just don't understand the point in pursuing them sober.

I think most of the hottest women on these sites are 7s (women of this caliber are very photogenic).

8s and up are really rare on a dating site outside of BKK and Phils. Women of this caliber are spoiled princesses anywhere in the world.

So I guess all I'm trying to say is, yes, if you are okay with including 5s and 6s in your radar - and there's nothing wrong with that - SEAsia can most certainly be like shooting fish in a barrel.

If you turn down 5s and 6s when sober and avoid chicks with kids, freelancers, etc, then online you will need to bring a bit more to the table and will not get the kind of results often reported. You can get some love from the 7s too but there are only so many of them to go around and they're in high demand online. This is why I take issue when guys throw out truisms about the whole thing.

That's all I'm saying. When put the numbers out there that you just did, I really don't think we're disagreeing all that much at all, so don't sweat it. We're just talking about different levels of quality.

And that's fine. There's no rule that says all men need to have the same goals in mind when chasing these biotches.

No hard feelings, Mr. Woot.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #34

It's pretty easy to get with fat girls in western countries too. In SEA every girl is skinny and feminine, so the local attractiveness rating isn't based on that. Having spent quite some time in SEA and Asia, most of the girls on Thaifriendly and Thailovelinks are on the local 3-6 scale, I'd say around 75%. There can be pages and pages of busted faces browsing through.

Woot, if you told me you can go to Arena 10 clubs and pull 7s and up from there with consistency, then I'll buy your argument. Or even pull with consistency from non Route 66 clubs in RCA or Ratchada Soi 4 or elsewhere.

The guys I see with attractive Thai women are good looking themselves and/or cool guys with game. The average chump is usually with girls where I think he could do way better even back home.

As said before, if you judge by being slim and feminine alone, then sure.

I don't know the reason have for trying to make it sound like Thailand is some place that worships the white guy, it is far from the truth, outside the poor girls and groupies. It's just not true and I think you do people a disservice by telling them so. If you want that, then go to the Philippines, not Thailand.

Post: #35

(05-06-2014 05:44 AM)berserk Wrote:  It's pretty easy to get with fat girls in western countries too. In SEA every girl is skinny and feminine, so the local attractiveness rating isn't based on that.

(05-06-2014 05:44 AM)berserk Wrote:  As said before, if you judge by being slim and feminine alone, then sure.

This exactly.

It's another major reason things "look" different when you first arrive. In the west, body shape plays a large role in attractiveness.

But everything is relative. Once you acclimate to Asia, slightly-busted and plain faces become much more of turn-off, given that there are so many bodies that are essentially the same shape. So your standards start creeping up.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #36

(05-06-2014 05:48 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 05:44 AM)berserk Wrote:  It's pretty easy to get with fat girls in western countries too. In SEA every girl is skinny and feminine, so the local attractiveness rating isn't based on that.

(05-06-2014 05:44 AM)berserk Wrote:  As said before, if you judge by being slim and feminine alone, then sure.

This exactly.

It's another major reason things "look" different when you first arrive. In the west, body shape plays a large role in attractiveness.

But everything is relative. Once you acclimate to Asia, busted and plain faces become much more of turn-off, given that there are so many bodies that are essentially the same shape. So your standards start creeping up.

Pretty much, it is unavoidable. I'm not saying either that guys shouldn't just go for the girls they find attractive when they get here, but your own rating does change doesn't it?

That said, there are tons of very attractive darker girls here who are hot as hell, but simply because of their skin color are overlooked by most Thai guys. Those are the ones where you can really trade up. The only problem is that the temptation for those girls to join some kind of prostitution is also always there if she is working some low level job. You know, just the other day, the girl in 7-11 couldn't have been more than 18 or 19 and very pretty and petite, but brown. Didn't speak a word of English of course. If you had good Thai, then go for those girls before the temptation to join the farang racket sets in.

Post: #37

Quote:No hard feelings, Mr. Woot. Big Grin

No of course not!

Quote:I don't know the reason have for trying to make it sound like Thailand is some place that worships the white guy, it is far from the truth, outside the poor girls and groupies. It's just not true and I think you do people a disservice by telling them so. If you want that, then go to the Philippines, not Thailand.

Dude Im not trying to do that all... first of all OP was talking about Online game in Cambodia and Philippines. So how did this even become a discussion about some nightclubs in thailand?
Thailands probably the place where your exotic value is the lowest as it has the most tourists. And even there you have an advantage on your side, you say it yourself...

Quote:That said, there are tons of very attractive darker girls here who are hot as hell, but simply because of their skin color are overlooked by most Thai guys.

Frankly if youre looking for top-shelf then you shouldnt be on onlien dating sites anyway. Online is for easy bangs and not for highest quality in my humble opinion.

Post: #38

Quote:Frankly if youre looking for top-shelf then you shouldnt be on onlien dating sites anyway. Online is for easy bangs and not for highest quality in my humble opinion.

This is good to know.

I hadn't really considered it that way, so that kind of explains a lot. I always thought of it as an alternative to meeting birds while boozing.

But if that's how a lot of guys consider it, I suppose it makes sense that I was disappointed.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #39

"My mom says I'm too young to drink."

She's 23.

There are certainly plenty of families still raising their women the right way out here, that's for sure.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling