Post: #1

Seems like there is a growing number of promoters joining RVF. Guys like McQueen and Distant light, etc.

I've done promoting- it's definitely one of the best ways to be surrounded by pussy.

I'm starting this thread for the RVF promoters to share experiences, ideas, tips, etc.

Here's the kickoff post:
Today, spring is in the air and I've already gathered like 8-9 tentative chicks to show up at my party later.

Post: #2

It's hard to do this if you also perform Penske, because you bring girls and sometimes they get peeled off by other guys, which is good and bad at the same time.

Post: #3

Definitely an easy way to cultivate abundance mentality. If the girls aren't into you, there are always more on the way.You'll pull at least 5 phone numbers a night without trying.

After that lets say your conversion rate is 10%. You could get a new bang every week. That's not counting girls who are or will be in your rotation.

Post: #4

Keep in mind that i am not a massive promoter guy. I don't have the answers and looking into solutions.

I just seems like the ultimate player position to be in.

Post: #5

I don't know too much about promoting. The forum has inspired me to read about the career path, though. Is the job similar to that of an entertainment agent, as in, when starting out you make money based on your CURRENT connections? For instance, in terms of meeting women:
Do you meet women just because you're a promoter? Or do you already have lots of women connections who lead you to more?

Thanks,
Renberg

Post: #6

“You rarely see someone who is a killer in sales with a busted or beat up girl.”
-MikeCF / Dangerandplay.com

If your game is tight, you can make it big in sales.
If you know how to sell, you can persuade your way into a poosy paradise.

Promotions is a synthesis of game and sales. It allows you to hone your game and persuasiveness while making money.


You can profit from your current connections, especially if you know a lot of party people. You'll also be meeting women to let them know about your club(s), adding them to guest lists, checking who is DTF, etc.


Will have a more thorough datasheet once im off work

Post: #7

(05-11-2014 04:10 PM)SpiderKing Wrote:  “You rarely see someone who is a killer in sales with a busted or beat up girl.”
-MikeCF / Dangerandplay.com

If your game is tight, you can make it big in sales.
If you know how to sell, you can persuade your way into a poosy paradise.

Promotions is a synthesis of game and sales. It allows you to hone your game and persuasiveness while making money.


You can profit from your current connections, especially if you know a lot of party people. You'll also be meeting women to let them know about your club(s), adding them to guest lists, checking who is DTF, etc.


Will have a more thorough datasheet once im off work

Thank you, SpiderKing, it would be much appreciated. That's an interesting quote; I've never thought about the salesman/girl quality correlation.

-R

Post: #8

DL is a non-promoter promoter. Which sounds like mumble jumble, but really means hes friends w/the door guys, promoters and connectors in that "social world" so he can hop from venue to venue and actually party instead of work.

Promoting sounds glamorous but its basically making sure other people party well. Pretty tiring gig especially if you are locked down to 1 venue.

The goal of getting up in the "promoting world" is to be able to skip logistics and hassle. Line- no problem. Drinks- comped. Want to smoke weed somewhere- bouncers dont hassle you. Want to bang a girl in the bathroom- bathroom dude is on lock-down.

Post: #9

This thread has the potential to be one of the best on the forum, props to Christian, Distant Light, Soup, SpiderKing, etc.

I've organized nights at clubs, booked international talent, ran large events, etc. but never had a formal role as a club promoter or host, even though some buddies have done it.

I've haven't had problems locking places down in the past, but always open to learning better ways to monetize it, or get on the level of some of you guys at more exclusive spots.


To help the younger members, maybe one of the directions in this should be to answer the question:

"Say you just moved to a large city where you don't know anyone, how do you build up to being VIP with options each night of the week, and side benefits with that rich/hot crowd?"

Post: #10

(05-11-2014 10:10 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  This thread has the potential to be one of the best on the forum, props to Christian, Distant Light, Soup, SpiderKing, etc.

I've organized nights at clubs, booked international talent, ran large events, etc. but never had a formal role as a club promoter or host, even though some buddies have done it.

I've haven't had problems locking places down in the past, but always open to learning better ways to monetize it, or get on the level of some of you guys at more exclusive spots.


To help the younger members, maybe one of the directions in this should be to answer the question:

"Say you just moved to a large city where you don't know anyone, how do you build up to being VIP with options each night of the week, and side benefits with that rich/hot crowd?"

I agree that this thread as major potential. Promoting does sound like a glamorous job, and although I'm sure the intent of a promoter is very straightforward, I'm having difficulty grasping what exactly the job entails and how to break in. Would any of you recommend any particular things to read?
-R

Post: #11

Waz going to bring a comedian down to Belize next year. He wants 7K, plus flight room and board for three shows. Will start to do the legwork this September during my next trip. Venues, sponsors, and promotion.

I realized I can bring a Dancehall artist for a cheaper price and make fosho money. Probably go that route. This will be my first time doing this so I will need some help and advice. I'll keep you guys posted on my progress.

Post: #12

Beginner's Guide to Las Vegas Promotions


Hey fellas, we've got a lot of high level info from Christian about promotions and hosting. His and CJ_W's advice have been instrumental in furthering my industry progress.


For those of you who wanna get your feet wet in the promotions game, welcome. Most of it is commission-based sales. Beginning promoters are typically paid for each person they get to the club. This is tracked via numbered wristbands, promo cards with the promoter's name written on it, or via guest list reservations. I'll go over guest lists in detail later.


As this is a commission business, promoters are classified as independent contractors. That means you don't have fixed hours. If a promo company tries to dictate your schedule, understand that this is illegal. That stuff is for wage slaves and salary workers.


Having said that, you generally want to promote an hour or so before your venue opens and leave once foot traffic dies down.


If you always arrive late, leave early, leave your post, have a bad attitude, show up drunk/high, and don't communicate with your supervisor...don't expect him to do you any favors or be as responsive when you need help.


However, if you pull big numbers, bosses are more willing to turn a blind eye to said shenanigans.


*****


I work in Vegas, so this datasheet may or may not be applicable to your city.

Post: #13

Rundown


Nightclubs make money from door fees and alcohol. Who's willing to drop big money to party hard? Guys. Why do guys want to come to your club? Girls. Hot, sexy, slutty, drunken girls. As McQueen has said elsewhere,

"Hot girls are like currency in nightlife."
I'll add: "Hot white girls are like gold bullion in nightlife."





I love gold. By gold I mean white girls. But I love gold too.




To get them to your venue will require one of the two:

1.) Brand recognition
You want to start off working for a megaclub? Great! People are going to come find you to get in. To offset high volume, hot venues will usually pay less per person that you get in. This still requires persuasiveness, just not as much since people know your club is top-ranked in the city.

2.) Your salesmanship
If the venue you work for is a smaller club, lounge or bar, expect to hone your techniques, sales script, and pitch. You'll get paid more per head working for smaller venues.

Post: #14

Guest Lists


Guest lists are to nightlife what subscriptions are to service-based businesses. Such companies offer a price reduction in exchange for up-front revenue. In this case, revenue = girls. The customer's price reduction comes in the form of free cover. Nearly all guest lists require even ratio or plus ratio to get in free.


Even ratio is an equal amount of guys & girls in the group, plus ratio means more girls than guys. If you put a group of all guys on your list, your employer may offer them reduced cover. If this is a higher-end venue, expect them to pay full cover even on a guest list.





Even bathrooms know about even ratio, bro.




Guest lists here pay out only for girls you bring. Your promoter ID# will typically be sent along with the guest info. You'll then send your group a confirmation text with your name and ID#.


I typically guest list during my shift by asking logistical questions:
"How long are you in town?"
"What's the occasion?"
"What kind of plans do you have?"
"What type of music do you guys like?"


I ask a couple in person, get a phone number, and ask the rest via text. With those 4 queries, I can determine which clubs to send them to, how hard they want to party, and which nights they can be put on my guest lists.


Bachelor/bachelorette parties = strip clubs or male review.
Young party crowd = dayclubs/pool parties/megaclubs.
Older crowd = lounges, shows
Europeans = EDM spots
Underage kids = "Naptime, ya cunts, mom and dad are gonna party!"

And so on.

You can also run guest lists during the day. I choose not to & I'll explain why in the cons section.

Quote:Side note. This is also where I figure out Bang Logistics. Get the # of the girl who looks the most DTF, check who has their own room, and which girl groups are giving good vibes overall. I plan to move closer to the Strip, so sealing the deal will become easier...

On of my supervisors mentioned, "You pull a lot girls for guest lists. Make sure to keep in contact with them, girl groups are flakey."

"Yeah, girls are flakey. I knew that before I started promoting."
Which leads us to the cons.





They're Gr-r-reat!

Post: #15

Cons


Following up, Flakes

If you've qualified your groups well, you should be able to sift through and find people who are serious about going to your clubs. Flakes and non-responders are a given in sales, so I charge that to the game

About 30% are active communicators, respond quickly to my info, and take initiative in letting me know what they want to do. They know what they want and don't waste my time!

This makes a huge difference and I go the extra mile for people like this. Please keep that in mind the next time you are in Vegas.


I could do sign groups up during the day, but then I'd have to contact more people outside of my official work hours. No thanks, I'm good.



Snowflakes & Value-Takers

These are groups that want everything comped, try to get you to undercut Casper the friendly and non-existant promoter. Again, time wasters. You'll get a feel for them with experience.



Text exchange on my drive home

Quote:snowflake: Do you take paper ID's? I got denied with my temporary id at one club 12:19 AM
Me: as long as you have your old ID too youre golden 12:34 AM
snowflake: They take it at the dmv when you get the temporary one and it takes about a month for the new one to get in the mail. I have my student id and my credit card as other forms of id but not my passport because I didn't want to lose it 12:35 AM [this verbal diarrhea is where my boner disappeared]
Me: id go with passport 12:54 AM
snowflake: I don't have my passport with me 12:54 AM
Me: ok.try ur temp id + other cards & let the door staff know the situation 1:03 AM
snowflake: I don't want to go if I'm going to get denied 1:05 AM
snowflake: So you should find out 1:05 AM [YES M'LADY!!!]
Me: I checked with the door staff-- temporary paper IDs are a no go 1:11 AM
snowflake: Why 1:12 AM

Add the subsequent phone call explaining stringent ID reqs in Vegas and her huffy attitude.

Quote:snowflake: "Well, we won't be going to your club tonight"
Me: "Kbye"

As you can see, this job will eat up your time and energy if you let it. It's not unlike dealing with basic bitches. in both cases, the solution is the same: screen, screen, screen.




Dealing with competitors

This is the business world. Anyone else who is a host or promoter is likely paid commission as well. Guess what that means? They will have no problem poaching your groups, even if you two work at the same venue! When possible, deal with the HNIC at any given venue. These guys are usually salaried and it does not help them to steal your groups.

I also contend with promoters for other venues, strip club sellers, and Mexican card-flickers hawking escort services. (Soy el mejor racista! Todos ellos son Mexicanos, guey!)




Viva la Meheeco

Odd Hours

When your friends want to party, you're at work. When it's your weekend, your friends are at work or can't stay out late. Groups will also text you during your off time, which can be obtrusive--but hey, that's your money to make!

Post: #16

Pros


Gaming @ Work, Bangs from Work

Fraternization at the office cubicle job? Congrats, go straight to HR, do not pass go, do not collect $200. In promotions, if you bang your female coworkers, it's not such a big deal. All the managers care about are # of people in the club. As a promoter, you're expected to network constantly, so pulling numbers from girls is a given. Screen and qualify as usual. After the number I hit the girl with a flirty text. If she laughs or flirts back, it's on. (Thanks McQueen)



Show me the titties.



Effort, Money, Time

Getting paid to sit on my ass isn't my cup of tea. The amount of effort I put in directly correlates to the size of my paycheck. This job requires constant sharpening and improvement of sales skills, and offers a glimpse of the mindset required to be an entrepreeur. I'm wittier, and overcome objections more smoothly (great LMR practice). Since I game at work, it's easier to concentrate during my off time; reading and language learning are given their proper regard since I don't have pussy on the brain as much. Focus on the money, if you get laid, cool. If not, don't stress.







Industry Contacts

Along the way, you'll meet doormen, hosts, promoters, bartenders, cocktail waitresses, strippers, go go dancers, hotel staff, managers, etc, the list goes on and on. In Vegas it's common for industry people to have multiple jobs, so you never know what someone is able to do until you get to know them. I've met industry people who are also in cosmetology, graphic design, programming, military, wine experts, blue collar guys, politics and so forth.

Will any of these things be a direct benefit? Perhaps. The more people I know, the more of them I can connect. A friend's daughter is a singer working on her foreign-language album. I passed on the # of an audio engineer I met after he and I argued the finer points of east coast vs west coast hip hop.

Industry and locals get in free to most places, unless it's a busy night. Even then, if you're tight with the staff this shouldn't be a problem. Getting in early also helps.

Basically, in addition to game, you can also make a ton of new friends.



Hi I'm SpiderKing, nice to meet you.

Post: #17

When in Vegas


If you come to Vegas and have a solid routine, know exactly what you want to do here, or know the ins and outs of the city, feel free to skip this part.

Take stock of your crew and what you guys want to do beforehand. You don't have to find out every single venue and performer for your vacation--that's your promoter or host's job, remember? All you need is at least an outline of what you guys want to do. It's our job to sort the details. "Oh, you're hip hop fans? Great, I have a better idea of what places you'll like." Stuff like that.

If you've been guestlisted, send a text to your promoter once you're inside. "Sup dood, were in thx looozzlzlzlzooooz!" Hell, send a photo of your crew too, that's even better. Texts like these are like a receipt to a promoter. So even if a host poaches the group, there's evidence.

Communication. Be responsive. Your promoter will have memorized or looked up venue options for you. The faster you reply, the faster you're guestlisted.



If it's you and 12 guys, please. Please. PleasePleasePlease. Please don't get mad about getting eye-rolled after you ask "Will we get in free if we're on the guest list?" Expect to pay full cover if you run up with a wolf pack. At best, you may get reduced cover via guest list.

Remember even ratios? If you get some girls to roll up with you, you'll get in free. Since this is RVF, most guys should be comfortable approaching. It's so fucking easy in Vegas, everyone's there to have a good time.

Just find a few dimes from your hotel and let them know "Hey, we got a party at X club where Y artist is performing. Come with us and you'll skip the line and cover."

This is nice at pool parties or while daygaming. Try hitting up girls who are checking in during the day, since they'll have less contact with promoters.





Like so



Guest list entry is from when the club opens to...usually 1am. For a top tier club expect guest lists to close at 12. Or even earlier, it just depends. After guest list entry is over, you're gonna pay full cover! Unless you know someone, of course.

If you're planning to party hard with your crew at a club, bottle service is the way to go. No waiting in lines, walking back and forth, tipping bartenders or whatever. McQueen is your go-to guy for VIP bottle hosts.

Oh yeah, and dress sharp. This is Vegas, not Zanesville.

Post: #18

Promoter requirements


State Control
This includes handling rejection. Expect 9 No's for every Yes. Getting to "No" = $$$. As glamorous as it sounds, promotions is a job. Like all jobs, bullshit is involved, it's just the smell that's different. Roll with the punches and learn as much as you can.


Dress sharp
Well-fitting suit, ironed clothes, polished shoes, dimple in your tie, tie clip, cufflinks, nice watch, lapel pin, collar stays, good hygiene, cologne, hair & facial hair done right, and a POCKET SQUARE!!!

You don't need all of those, but if people start asking you for directions in the casino, you're good to go.


Cell phone
How you gonna contact your guests, via telegraph? Come on. Flip-phones are serviceable, smartphones are better. Iphone is fine, Androids will be more useful. Androids are easier to organize and better for workflow that involves texting, noting guest list info, and contacting internationals. My boss is taking calls and texting his team constantly and runs through 3 batteries per day. With an Android, he can shut down the phone, pop in a fresh battery, restart, and keep working. In this line of work, you live and die by your phone. I run through a full charge nearly every shift.


Business cards
Not completely needed, but just like the dress code stuff, every detail puts you another step above your competition. If you don't have a card, some people may think you're not legit.





Your target demographic

Post: #19

Further Reading


Straight Line Persuasion - Jordan Belfort
Great for refining tactics. Helped me get to the point and stop rambling.

The Poker Mindset - Matthew Hilger
Although it focuses on poker, there are many correlations to sales and promotions. Good for an overall approach to work/life balance, money management and state control.

The Prince - Niccolo Machiavelli
The bullshit I deal with is mostly politicking on the job. I need to review this magnum opus.


*****


That's all for now. I've left out sales techniques. If you're really serious, your supervisors will run through sales scripts and pitching after you're hired. I've also left out Strip club promoting since that's next level. And online marketing.

Any questions, comments, or requests, just reply. If you're coming to Vegas, shoot me a PM. I'd love to meet you uggos in person!










Tis the season, guys...

Post: #20

(04-27-2014 09:18 PM)soup Wrote:  It's hard to do this if you also perform Penske, because you bring girls and sometimes they get peeled off by other guys, which is good and bad at the same time.

There is always an attrition rate. That's why you're usually out on the town meeting new girls all the time. They will find boyfriends, move away, go to school, get tired of going to clubs, etc. etc. Don't worry if they get taken by other promoters or other dudes. You can't possibly manage all these girls all the time. Keep the flow of contacts coming just like you would in any other prospecting position.

(04-28-2014 12:12 AM)SpiderKing Wrote:  Definitely an easy way to cultivate abundance mentality. If the girls aren't into you, there are always more on the way.You'll pull at least 5 phone numbers a night without trying.

After that lets say your conversion rate is 10%. You could get a new bang every week. That's not counting girls who are or will be in your rotation.

It's a very good way of getting girls out to party with you. Get them to like you're facebook page and follow you on twitter/instagram. Remind their hamster minds reminded that you always are the "dealer of fun" and "go to guy for parties" with pictures that demonstrate FUN and a DHV.

(05-11-2014 03:29 PM)Renberg Wrote:  I don't know too much about promoting. The forum has inspired me to read about the career path, though. Is the job similar to that of an entertainment agent, as in, when starting out you make money based on your CURRENT connections? For instance, in terms of meeting women:
Do you meet women just because you're a promoter? Or do you already have lots of women connections who lead you to more?

Thanks,
Renberg

It's similar as in they are both commission based (at least for entry/mid range promoters and entertainment agents). I've worked with entertainment agents to bring talent to venues. The benefit is they know what's hot, their clients know how to act, and they are usually attractive. You're going to meet women regardless when going out on a regular basis. It always is much easier to build on an existing foundation of women that refer you to their friends and their friends friends. Let it spread like wildfire.

Post: #21

Is it possible to start with a very small number of followers (say 10-20)?

Post: #22

(06-11-2014 01:00 AM)Renberg Wrote:  Is it possible to start with a very small number of followers (say 10-20)?

On social media or girls that go out consistently with you?

Post: #23

Either or. Just curious if it's possible to start out without a base.