Post: #51

"This girl just didn't put herself in those situations and that's what made her a good girl to me."

^^^I think you're onto something there.

A gauge for the PROPENSITY of a girl to be slutty could be "Does she allow herself to get into situations and stay in situations where slutty opportunities may arise?" (no pun intended)

My Dad said when he met my Mom, that she was so chaste that if she was sitting on one end of the couch in the college student lounge and a male sat down on the couch, she would literally get up and move to a chair or stand. She was THAT pure and didn't want to be looked at as slutty at all.

Fuck all if it'd be hard as fuck to find that now.

The irony is that my Dad was 5 years her senior, had been married before and a bad boy, reformed and then plucked up my 20yo virgin mother like a boss. Lesson to be learned there.

Post: #52

(04-23-2014 07:00 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  "This girl just didn't put herself in those situations and that's what made her a good girl to me."

^^^I think you're onto something there.

A gauge for the PROPENSITY of a girl to be slutty could be "Does she allow herself to get into situations and stay in situations where slutty opportunities may arise?" (no pun intended)

My Dad said when he met my Mom, that she was so chaste that if she was sitting on one end of the couch in the college student lounge and a male sat down on the couch, she would literally get up and move to a chair or stand. She was THAT pure and didn't want to be looked at as slutty at all.

Fuck all if it'd be hard as fuck to find that now.

The irony is that my Dad was 5 years her senior, had been married before and a bad boy, reformed and then plucked up my 20yo virgin mother like a boss. Lesson to be learned there.

I think that girls nowadays who work so hard to telegraph that they aren't sluts are usually hiding many bones in the closet (no pun intended).

What comes to mind are the women who are reaching their late twenties/thirties who "don't do that anymore" and try extra hard to show that they aren't sluts. Once again.. the ladies be protesting too much.

We know that they will still jump on the alpha cock when they get a chance.. the memory of the sex is too good.

Post: #53

^good point.

I think once girls have ridden the cock carasoul then they try to 'reform', but if you can get a girl young enough then you can train them for yourself.

Part of learning Game I tell guys is that it's learning how to spot sluts so you don't jump into a LTR with one.

Sluts can't hide from my eyes. I pierce their slutdome.

Post: #54

(04-23-2014 07:00 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  "This girl just didn't put herself in those situations and that's what made her a good girl to me."

^^^I think you're onto something there.

A gauge for the PROPENSITY of a girl to be slutty could be "Does she allow herself to get into situations and stay in situations where slutty opportunities may arise?" (no pun intended)

After dating plenty of sluts this is the number one thing I look for.

Is she hitting the bar/club Sunday through Thursday?
Frequent girl's nights out?
Mysterious vacations?

Did she stop getting dolled up to see you, but puts on her war paint otherwise?

Needlessly flirt to get her way? For general amusement?

She's advertising for cock.

But while we're on the topic, sexual fidelity isn't the only aspect to be concerned with. A chaste church girl can put the screws to you in other ways. Pettiness, gossipy, spends like no tomorrow, quick to anger, pious and judgmental (for all of you thinking religious girls are better), lazy, prone to gluttony, unclean, can't cook, manipulative, mercenary, clingy, needy

It's always going to be some personality flaw that even a player will ignore as cute or benign until it's her central defining feature.



WIA

Post: #55

I actually had a "good girl" once. They do exist. I was her first bf and we were together for 8 years. I know for a fact she never cheated, never went out without me, didn't even like drinking. Only broke up cuz we had to move to different states for work and couldn't keep up LDR much longer. What's funny is that after we broke up she did go on a party spree where all of a sudden she began to drink and stay out all night with her gfs. I'm not sure if she rode the cock carousel though. I think she was so heavily programmed to be a girl that my alpha cock stayed in her brain for a very long time until she was finally able to fuck the next guy. From what I heard she has a new bf who she lives with. I guess she still IS a good girl. People like that are a dime a dozen though. Plus she was a 7 at best. Forget trying to find an 8+ with those qualities.

Post: #56

"sleeping around has become so common and expected that girls don't think twice about doing it."

--disagree.

Now, for the cohort of girls you run into on a daily/weekly basis, it may be totally 100% true. Not that I'm complaining about girls who show up for drinks, then come over to blow me and swallow before having sex all night.

Post: #57

Interesting thread. My wife was a virgin until 24, and I know because I took it and it was REALLY obvious. Her sister was a virgin when marrying at 28/29. Again obvious, I listened to the conversation my SIL had with my wife the night before her wedding - WAS COMPLETELY CLUELESS about birth control. There was no way she was having sex before marriage as she would have been totally knocked up before.

So - "technical" good girls? What was their difference? Yes, they were brought up in a "religious" household. As many others have pointed out, that isn't necessarily worth shit.

I finally asked my wife about this recently. I have two daughters and have ZERO desire for them to ride the cock carousel. I want them married off around 20-22 to as high a quality man as they can land. So my wife said that she was:

1.) Taught to always evaluate men for marriage. They never dated a guy who hadn't already some proven bona fides for marriageability.

2.) Taught that sex is a big deal and who they have sex with will impact them for the rest of their life.

3.) Taught that players who give them tingles are not marriage material, and therefore that behavior is a DLV.

4.) Primarily NOT raised in America despite being American citizens. My wife was raised in Micronesia (9y), Guam (4), Peurto Rico (3y) and Fiji (2y).

So in short, they were taught to always evaluate men for LONG TERM relationship viability - and never ever short term relationships.

Post: #58

This thread contains posts that show 'good girls' -do- exist, just very rarely.

My question is then, where does one meet them if they don't place themselves in situations where sluttiness opportunities present themselves? Street/day game/hobby clubs? To the guys who did meet 'good girls', where did you meet them and in what situation, considering good girls aren't going to bars etc.

The last time I went to a bar, I felt a bit like the guy who drops into his old college long after he graduated years ago.

Post: #59

For all the posts on here saying that good girls do exist- you are putting these women on a pedestal and essentially saying they defy the laws of nature.

It's not that they are good girls, it's that they haven't been properly seduced yet; they haven't yet met the guy who has the game to get them.

McQueen is right on when he said that. If you know a girl who seems like a good girl and you can't figure out how to get her, that probably means that you don't yet have the game for her.

I'd bet most these "good girls" being brought out in this thread are very attractive.

Am I right?

Post: #60

(04-29-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  For all the posts on here saying that good girls do exist- you are putting these women on a pedestal and essentially saying they defy the laws of nature.

It's not that they are good girls, it's that they haven't been properly seduced yet; they haven't yet met the guy who has the game to get them.

McQueen is right on when he said that. If you know a girl who seems like a good girl and you can't figure out how to get her, that probably means that you don't yet have the game for her.

I'd bet most these "good girls" being brought out in this thread are very attractive.

Am I right?

This.

Lots of traditional marriages happen in my home town. A girl that left home to do 1-3 years study outside her home is considered a non-vergin. They don't need to check. They just assume it, especially if she left for the capital.

They are women and they know that the temptation to "try" the adventure is too high in

Post: #61

(04-29-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  For all the posts on here saying that good girls do exist- you are putting these women on a pedestal and essentially saying they defy the laws of nature.

It's not that they are good girls, it's that they haven't been properly seduced yet; they haven't yet met the guy who has the game to get them.

McQueen is right on when he said that. If you know a girl who seems like a good girl and you can't figure out how to get her, that probably means that you don't yet have the game for her.

I'd bet most these "good girls" being brought out in this thread are very attractive.

Am I right?

This.

Lots of traditional marriages happen in my home town. A girl that left home to do 1-3 years study outside her home is considered a non-virgin. They don't need to check. They just assume it, especially if she left for the capital.

They are women and they know that the temptation to "try" the adventure is too high in the big city.

On the other hand, girls that never left home (and my small town), are probably virgin. It's not because they are good girls but because they never had the chance.

Good girls are just regular girls that didn't have the chance/opportunity to do the adventure.

Post: #62

This is also the same about guys. Most of my friends that never left their home town (due mainly to financial things) are virgin. The ones that moved to the capital quickly got into gaming girls and fucking.

Post: #63

(04-23-2014 07:00 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  "This girl just didn't put herself in those situations and that's what made her a good girl to me."

^^^I think you're onto something there.

A gauge for the PROPENSITY of a girl to be slutty could be "Does she allow herself to get into situations and stay in situations where slutty opportunities may arise?" (no pun intended)

My Dad said when he met my Mom, that she was so chaste that if she was sitting on one end of the couch in the college student lounge and a male sat down on the couch, she would literally get up and move to a chair or stand. She was THAT pure and didn't want to be looked at as slutty at all.

Fuck all if it'd be hard as fuck to find that now.

The irony is that my Dad was 5 years her senior, had been married before and a bad boy, reformed and then plucked up my 20yo virgin mother like a boss. Lesson to be learned there.

I've had this happen to me in Southeast Asia a few times. Standing or sitting too close to a girl, or sitting as a group but nobody is between you, and she'll get all anxious and move herself out of the situation. Even if I'm not giving any signs I'm interested in her. Then again, not too surprising since even touch a woman's upper arm in Thailand, for instance, can be taboo if she's a dignified woman at all.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #64

(04-29-2014 03:24 AM)boywonder34 Wrote:  This thread contains posts that show 'good girls' -do- exist, just very rarely.

My question is then, where does one meet them if they don't place themselves in situations where sluttiness opportunities present themselves? Street/day game/hobby clubs? To the guys who did meet 'good girls', where did you meet them and in what situation, considering good girls aren't going to bars etc.

The last time I went to a bar, I felt a bit like the guy who drops into his old college long after he graduated years ago.

I'm a Baha'i, and my wife and I met through a Baha'i marriage website. That said, if you want "quality" girls who don't fuck around, you really can't be looking in clubs and bars. Women who do value at least a low N count before marriage avoid those places.

Christian girls get a bad rap for being secretly slutty, but church and youth activities is one way. Another is to do activities that have lots of young people at them like ballroom/swing dancing. Join local community activities that you enjoy. You want to be in a circumstance where just talking and approaching women isn't a minefield - where it's expected that men and women will talk to each other without it being "a thing".

(04-29-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  For all the posts on here saying that good girls do exist- you are putting these women on a pedestal and essentially saying they defy the laws of nature.

It's not that they are good girls, it's that they haven't been properly seduced yet; they haven't yet met the guy who has the game to get them.

McQueen is right on when he said that. If you know a girl who seems like a good girl and you can't figure out how to get her, that probably means that you don't yet have the game for her.

I'd bet most these "good girls" being brought out in this thread are very attractive.

Am I right?

Women who are virgins and still want to be virgins before marriage often are religious and want a similarly religious husband. Guys who give off "player" vibes are ruthlessly cut from the list as unsuitable men - even if they give them tingles.

So far as my wife and her sister went... Both were pretty at the time, but nothing amazing. My wife's younger sister had WAY more charisma though.

Post: #65

(04-29-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  For all the posts on here saying that good girls do exist- you are putting these women on a pedestal and essentially saying they defy the laws of nature.

It's not that they are good girls, it's that they haven't been properly seduced yet; they haven't yet met the guy who has the game to get them.

McQueen is right on when he said that. If you know a girl who seems like a good girl and you can't figure out how to get her, that probably means that you don't yet have the game for her.

I'd bet most these "good girls" being brought out in this thread are very attractive.

Am I right?

You're right in that there are many girls who are virgins or are very inexperienced that you could seduce with the right opportunity to meet and game them, but you're not right in that no good girls exist. They tend to be shy, of very religious or strict upbringing that emphasizes no sex before marriage, and like others have said, are VERY averse to guys trying to get in their pants.

I've witnessed it first hand. Rare, but does exist.

I've also witnessed TONS of the opposite, so I do know that the nature of women is vastly different than what society tells you or what I grew up believing.

Post: #66

(04-29-2014 01:01 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 03:24 AM)boywonder34 Wrote:  This thread contains posts that show 'good girls' -do- exist, just very rarely.

My question is then, where does one meet them if they don't place themselves in situations where sluttiness opportunities present themselves? Street/day game/hobby clubs? To the guys who did meet 'good girls', where did you meet them and in what situation, considering good girls aren't going to bars etc.

The last time I went to a bar, I felt a bit like the guy who drops into his old college long after he graduated years ago.

I'm a Baha'i, and my wife and I met through a Baha'i marriage website. That said, if you want "quality" girls who don't fuck around, you really can't be looking in clubs and bars. Women who do value at least a low N count before marriage avoid those places.

Christian girls get a bad rap for being secretly slutty, but church and youth activities is one way. Another is to do activities that have lots of young people at them like ballroom/swing dancing. Join local community activities that you enjoy. You want to be in a circumstance where just talking and approaching women isn't a minefield - where it's expected that men and women will talk to each other without it being "a thing".

(04-29-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  For all the posts on here saying that good girls do exist- you are putting these women on a pedestal and essentially saying they defy the laws of nature.

It's not that they are good girls, it's that they haven't been properly seduced yet; they haven't yet met the guy who has the game to get them.

McQueen is right on when he said that. If you know a girl who seems like a good girl and you can't figure out how to get her, that probably means that you don't yet have the game for her.

I'd bet most these "good girls" being brought out in this thread are very attractive.

Am I right?

Women who are virgins and still want to be virgins before marriage often are religious and want a similarly religious husband. Guys who give off "player" vibes are ruthlessly cut from the list as unsuitable men - even if they give them tingles.

So far as my wife and her sister went... Both were pretty at the time, but nothing amazing. My wife's younger sister had WAY more charisma though.

A masterful player has choice when it comes to what vibe he wants to give out. He can give off a "player" vibe when needed, but can also present whatever vibe necessary to get the pussy.

Post: #67

(04-29-2014 02:10 PM)soup Wrote:  A masterful player has choice when it comes to what vibe he wants to give out. He can give off a "player" vibe when needed, but can also present whatever vibe necessary to get the pussy.

A masterful player would nearly immediately ascertain that the chase will be too long/involved for the return and have moved on to easier lays long before investing significant time/effort into a true good girl.

Hell, I'm nowhere near a master and "I'd" move on from a good girl unless I'm looking for babies.

Post: #68

(04-29-2014 02:51 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 02:10 PM)soup Wrote:  A masterful player has choice when it comes to what vibe he wants to give out. He can give off a "player" vibe when needed, but can also present whatever vibe necessary to get the pussy.

A masterful player would nearly immediately ascertain that the chase will be too long/involved for the return and have moved on to easier lays long before investing significant time/effort into a true good girl.

Hell, I'm nowhere near a master and "I'd" move on from a good girl unless I'm looking for babies.

It's true that you chose your own battles.. you have to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em, but you aren't really refuting my point.

To clarify: being a player doesn't have to mean giving off a "player vibe". That's essentially what indirect game is about.

Post: #69

Quote:Good girls are just regular girls that didn't have the chance/opportunity to do the adventure.

Right. And AndroidOcean is right too, a masterful player wouldn't ever have the patience for a real LTR girl (I rephrased a bit), certainly until he's much older.

I have a tough time categorizing "good" girls or not. To me it's not good, bad, holy, righteous, evil...not me to judge. I'd say LTR girls.

LTR girls are long-term in mind, hence trade sex for resources. Sluts just give it away.

The more whorish the more LTR potential, the sluttier the less LTR potential. Of course, actual whores are sluts, because even a high-paid whore getting $10k per night aint shit compared to a hot 23 year old getting a $15k ring plus a loving resource investment from an alpha.

Who am I to call good or bad when my goal is to get all attractive women to let me stick it in them the moment we meet. Heartiste "My Advice To Women"

Post: #70

(04-29-2014 03:14 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 02:51 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 02:10 PM)soup Wrote:  A masterful player has choice when it comes to what vibe he wants to give out. He can give off a "player" vibe when needed, but can also present whatever vibe necessary to get the pussy.

A masterful player would nearly immediately ascertain that the chase will be too long/involved for the return and have moved on to easier lays long before investing significant time/effort into a true good girl.

Hell, I'm nowhere near a master and "I'd" move on from a good girl unless I'm looking for babies.

It's true that you chose your own battles.. you have to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em, but you aren't really refuting my point.

To clarify: being a player doesn't have to mean giving off a "player vibe". That's essentially what indirect game is about.

No one is refuting that game works. I've read your posts, you seem to know what you're doing. I bet you could game a good girl if you were in a position to do so. But you wouldn't because the life you lead doesn't put you in a position to meet those kinds of girls.

Not a knock on you btw, I have this same problem where my lifestyle puts me around nothing but sluts. Doubt I'm gonna meet my future wife at dollar beer night in the east village.

Post: #71

(04-29-2014 03:47 PM)tawillionaire Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 03:14 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 02:51 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 02:10 PM)soup Wrote:  A masterful player has choice when it comes to what vibe he wants to give out. He can give off a "player" vibe when needed, but can also present whatever vibe necessary to get the pussy.

A masterful player would nearly immediately ascertain that the chase will be too long/involved for the return and have moved on to easier lays long before investing significant time/effort into a true good girl.

Hell, I'm nowhere near a master and "I'd" move on from a good girl unless I'm looking for babies.

It's true that you chose your own battles.. you have to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em, but you aren't really refuting my point.

To clarify: being a player doesn't have to mean giving off a "player vibe". That's essentially what indirect game is about.

No one is refuting that game works. I've read your posts, you seem to know what you're doing. I bet you could game a good girl if you were in a position to do so. But you wouldn't because the life you lead doesn't put you in a position to meet those kinds of girls.

Not a knock on you btw, I have this same problem where my lifestyle puts me around nothing but sluts.

I mostly around girls who have moved to NYC and are kind of neurotic, but want to have fun and get their "careers" going or whatever.

Post: #72

(04-29-2014 03:49 PM)soup Wrote:  I mostly around girls who have moved to NYC and are kind of neurotic, but want to have fun and get their "careers" going or whatever.

Me too. Those girls don't move to NYC to sit in their crappy 1 bedrooms and watch Netflix with their roommate on Friday nights. They want the D.

My only girlfriend since I moved here was born and raised in NYC and still lived with her parents so she didn't have that desire to get random dick every weekend. At least not yet.

Post: #73

(04-29-2014 03:14 PM)soup Wrote:  It's true that you chose your own battles.. you have to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em, but you aren't really refuting my point.

To clarify: being a player doesn't have to mean giving off a "player vibe". That's essentially what indirect game is about.

I'm absolutely refuting your point. I'm saying it's illogical. Please point out the logic in your point.

Your statement that being a player doesn't mean giving off a "player vibe" has little to do with the reality that a master player has no interest in spending tons of time and energy wooing a good girl in order to try to get her into bed after they've already been in a LTR or are married. That is what a good girl would hold out for, a long term monogamous relationship/marriage.

If you want to define a good girl another way, fine, but don't pretend that master player's are going to put in the effort to engage in a long term monogamous relationationship/marriage in order to get laid by a virgin.

Could they do it? I suppose so, but at that point it's not game if you give the girl everything they want in order to get one thing you want.

Post: #74

(04-29-2014 06:41 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 03:14 PM)soup Wrote:  It's true that you chose your own battles.. you have to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em, but you aren't really refuting my point.

To clarify: being a player doesn't have to mean giving off a "player vibe". That's essentially what indirect game is about.

I'm absolutely refuting your point. I'm saying it's illogical. Please point out the logic in your point.

Your statement that being a player doesn't mean giving off a "player vibe" has little to do with the reality that a master player has no interest in spending tons of time and energy wooing a good girl in order to try to get her into bed after they've already been in a LTR or are married. That is what a good girl would hold out for, a long term monogamous relationship/marriage.

If you want to define a good girl another way, fine, but don't pretend that master player's are going to put in the effort to engage in a long term monogamous relationationship/marriage in order to get laid by a virgin.

Could they do it? I suppose so, but at that point it's not game if you give the girl everything they want in order to get one thing you want.

You are talking about an apple and I'm talking about an orange.

Post: #75

(04-23-2014 02:01 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  "You banged a married woman, of course a married woman alone in Vegas is not a good girl."

^Wasn't a married woman visiting Vegas, she actually lives in Vegas. Big difference. I should have been more specific.

did she give you any I am married objections? If so, how much extra did you do outside of your usual game to overcome these objections