Post: #101

So what if you just want to fuck her missionary style and cum in her vagina? Is that so bad

Post: #102

Who said it was bad? Do whatever you want. Sometimes that's exactly how you want to fuck a girl.

If that was the only thing you ever wanted to do, I'd say you were a little deficient in your sexual tastes. You can't get the most out of pussy that way and there are more enraging and ecstatic possibilities being missed. But whatever -- to each his own. The key is to know what you want and do exactly that.

Post: #103

Well, that we can agree on.

Post: #104

"Don't allow anyone else to define what makes you happy. You are not them."

^I agree, but you accused men who like a 'rougher' style of sex, as being "retarded and sick".

I could care less what other men like in bed. It's personal choice.

But what I write about is what is expected in 2014 in order to keep girls around (95%). At least in the US.

Upcoming RVF Threads:

"I only do missionary and look into her eyes. She won't text me back. Help!"

"My Gf says she doesn't like rougher sex. Now she cheated. Help!"

Post: #105

Almost all young girls like it rough it seems. Especially the party girls. They want dpanking and all that shit.

I think guys should stop trying to make game "normal"

We players are freaks of nature. We go against everything society tells us to do.

We are more like superheroes/villains. The game these days game exists on that extreme level.

It's not like you can be humdrum and still pull the kinda of stuff we talk about on here off. You want vanilla sex? You are going to be put in the beta box by the girls.

A lot of cognitive dissonance on this thread..

Post: #106

Ok, just to clarify, the sex is the least of my concerns. I am all for whatever makes you and her happy.

What I am really complaining about here is that all of this stuff we are doing, including the sex, is just pandering to women and to their wants and needs. Nowhere do we say, hey what about what we want as men. If you like American women the way they are currently then as I said, this is your time and country.

Post: #107

(04-21-2014 11:38 PM)soup Wrote:  Almost all young girls like it rough it seems. Especially the party girls. They want dpanking and all that shit.

I think guys should stop trying to make game "normal"

We players are freaks of nature. We go against everything society tells us to do.

We are more like superheroes/villains. The game these days game exists on that extreme level.

It's not like you can be humdrum and still pull the kinda of stuff we talk about on here off. You want vanilla sex? You are going to be put in the beta box by the girls.

A lot of cognitive dissonance on this thread..

While you may be, I don't think you are representative of 70% of the guys out there? Regarding what they want or are capable of...

Guys like you and McQueen are the "rockstars", a status most of us regular guys will never achieve.

Post: #108

I think it's unhealthy for men to whine about their needs in a way that women do. We all know that you can't talk to a woman logically.

That's why I don't get the point of this thread.

Post: #109

Soup, you never get the point of any of my threads but obviously others do

Post: #110

Something else that I could never understand.

Guys seem to think that the only two ways of fucking a girl are either some sort of plain vanilla "lovemaking", or a crazy olympic event with 17 different stages proceeding according to strict rules.

That's complete insanity!

The point of sex is fucking a girl in such a way that you can relish her body and everything about her as much as possible. If she has a nice mouth and long luscious hair, how can you not put her on her knees and make her suck you (teach her how if you need to) while stroking her hair and occasionally glancing over at her ass? She doesn't have to "gag" -- just let her suck you and call her a luscious fucking pig because that's what you want to call her.

If she has a perfect ass, how can you not put her in doggie in strict lordosis, pull her hair and call her names -- not because you're "supposed to" according to some weird rule but because that's just what you do when you simply can't believe how good that ass is looking from behind?

There are no rules. It's not an athletic competition. You just do what you want to enjoy the girl's body as thoroughly and as intensely as possible. It doesn't look like vanilla "lovemaking" and it doesn't look like contemporary American porn most of which really is like a weird athletic event of some sort (though that is not necessarily true of pornography of other times and countries).

Again, what drives a girl crazier than anything else is a man who doesn't give a fuck about pleasing her or anyone else, but who enjoys her for himself like an animal -- with pure concentration, rapacity and unrestrained but unsmiling joy.

Post: #111

^^^

Post: #112

(04-21-2014 11:55 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Something else that I could never understand.

Guys seem to think that the only two ways of fucking a girl are either some sort of plain vanilla "lovemaking", or a crazy olympic event with 17 different stages proceeding according to strict rules.

That's complete insanity!

The point of sex is fucking a girl in such a way that you can relish her body and everything about her as much as possible. If she has a nice mouth and long luscious hair, how can you not put her on her knees and make her suck you (teach her how if you need to) while stroking her hair and occasionally glancing over at her ass? She doesn't have to "gag" -- just let her suck you and call her a luscious fucking pig because that's what you want to call her.

If she has a perfect ass, how can you not put her in doggie in strict lordosis, pull her hair and call her names -- not because you're "supposed to" according to some weird rule but because that's just what you do when you simply can't believe how good that ass is looking from behind?

There are no rules. It's not an athletic competition. You just do what you want to enjoy the girl's body as thoroughly and as intensely as possible. It doesn't look like vanilla "lovemaking" and it doesn't look like contemporary American porn most of which really is like a weird athletic event of some sort (though that is not necessarily true of pornography of other times and countries).

Again, what drives a girl crazier than anything else is a man who doesn't give a fuck about pleasing her or anyone else, but who enjoys her for himself like an animal -- with pure concentration, rapacity and unrestrained but unsmiling joy.

I think that any man who has experienced being at the helm of an exquisite ass.. that's just the greatest.

It really is like experiencing Nirvana.

What could be more life and beauty affirming?

If every guy on this forum got that experience, I think we'd all be enlightened.

The girls with these coveted asses.. they don't want vanilla sex. That want bad boy power.

Good luck trying to access high quality girls without delving into the "dark side".

Post: #113

Oz, I agree about doggy and mouth, I'm not saying missionary is the end all be all. Variety is important and yes you gotta be able to enjoy the girl however you want. All I'm saying is if you as a man are doing the fucking while she's being passive, and you can last an hour, that's tougher than any cardio session. That's part of the reason blowjobs are so amazing, is that you get to relax as she gets to please you.

Post: #114

All this stuff we are doing to women is pandering? Giving them rough sex is pandering? Having some stamina and some desire to dominate a woman is pandering to a woman?

(04-22-2014 12:39 AM)cocoballs Wrote:  All I'm saying is if you as a man are doing the fucking while she's being passive, and you can last an hour, that's tougher than any cardio session.

What kind of cardio are you guys doing? I'm not saying that especially if you're the one doing most of the work that it's not a decent amount of cardio, but what the fuck?

I'm not even in that great of shape, but even the longest, most intense session I've had (yes, longer than an hour) was still nothing compared to even a slightly above average cardio session.

She's being passive? Dude, that's the point, you're fucking her, not the other way around. I love it when I get a nice break and the girl gets on top, or she blows me or whatnot, but you guys are making it out like if I fuck a girl seven ways from Sunday and she enjoys it, somehow I'm being used.

It's a mutual positive experience, it's not one person losing out in order for the other to gain.

Maybe you guys are having sex with women that you're not really attracted to in some major fashion, because I've never even thought for a second that a woman was taking advantage of me when my dick is swinging around and enjoying itself. A human dildo? Sick and depraved? No way, I'm enjoying the fuck out of being alive! (no pun intended)

Sometimes it's animalistic sex, and sometimes it's intense, look deep in your eyes, slow burning lovemaking, and it's with the same girl(s).

Post: #115

Obviously age plays a big part in how we view sex and women. If you are under 25 then probably any kind of sex with just about any woman is good sex. You probably won't be able to really relate to this thread unless you are 30+.

Post: #116

As a 22 year old freak I have to disagree

Post: #117

I don't relate to the sex part, but the emotion I do. Any sex is good sex for me at this point and I'm not scared to admit it. My tastes will develop later. I do feel I'm losing a part of myself and that we are honoring the woman's opinion too much. Yes it will keep them around and yes I agree with what Lizard and CMQ said, but sometimes people want to slow down. In this day and age, I think Nomad is just lamenting that he may not always be able to as he pleases as well as get that small bit of affection that is the cherry on top. It's a cherry I've been craving again as of late as well.

Post: #118

I think we should get back to the point if the op.

Do you guys agree with roosh that we are nothing more than clowns?

Post: #119

(04-22-2014 06:15 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  I think we should get back to the point if the op.

Do you guys agree with roosh that we are nothing more than clowns?

That's why I posted what I posted. I think we are playing the part of clowns.

Post: #120

(04-22-2014 03:29 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Obviously age plays a big part in how we view sex and women. If you are under 25 then probably any kind of sex with just about any woman is good sex. You probably won't be able to really relate to this thread unless you are 30+.

It depends maybe on the T-level. I am 40 and I want to dominate (also dominated and teased) and make dirty sex. It´s like playing pick up basketball you want to give 100% or at least 80% to not risk injuries. I see your point it would be nicer if she likes to play the game with me.

Post: #121

(04-22-2014 06:15 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  I think we should get back to the point if the op.

Do you guys agree with roosh that we are nothing more than clowns?

As always it depends on your point of view. Roosh seems to go more MGTOW is he is gettin older.

Shure there are better things than to be a clown. One can use pros. Maybe that´s better. In the western world as often stated the top 10% don´t have to be clowns they get still good service. The rest there is some clowning.

But one has also the SEA option. I see some are not attracted to them. I don´t know if it´s brainwashing. There the girls are the clowns as it seem.

So I would say generally yes as I already been mgtow.

Post: #122

The general consensus on this board is that most women are cheap ho's.

That they can be gamed in to sex fairly easily - when you know the tricks.

So we "perform" (i.e. game) to get them to perform (sex).

I'd rather be proactive than reactive.

And another point to add...

Men will always be able to perform - we can get sex from unlimited girls until we die, if that's what you want.

But no high (or even mid)-value guy will want a woman to perform once she hits the wall.

We can have a lifetime of happiness by "performing" whereas a woman can have 20 years.

Post: #123

For me, in the US, the juice is simple not worth the squeeze 80 percent of the time. I would happily be a clown IF it got me a sweet, affectionate, loving girl BUT what I get instead is a cold, self-centered, fuck you, I'm a bad ass bitch. Naturally, this situation is made worse because I usually play in the 8+ range. All Game is today is a way to be a more intriguing and interesting clown/performer. I feel that I am performing from the approach to the bedroom and after. Ok, so, I am a clown/performer but for what or who I am doing this and is it worth it? For me, the answer is no, it's not worth it most of the time in America because I hate self-centered, selfish people and catering to them only makes the situation worse. I don't even get a little applause for my great performance as a clown most of the time. And you would think that the older women would be better than the younger ones but no. The best girls are the ones from the small towns.

Once you have lived outside of the US, it's very difficult to accept the status quo as it is.

Post: #124

"We" in your original article represents 10-20% of men, maybe. The vast majority of men can't (not willing to work for it or don't know how) get sex, or not nearly enough.

Good post, and true, just thought I'd add that point. Feminism, or female hypergamy unleashed, simply allows women to go after what they want...sex with the top 10% of men (who she perceives top 10%). Who gives a fuck about the bottom 90% providing for our first world conveniences.

Post: #125

Exactly, this situation serves the guys at the top in looks, money, and game and leaves the other 90% of the guys starving. Women don't just want a clown, they want the best clown/actor.

There is also a huge difference in the quality of sex when a woman wants to please you vs her expecting you to please her. Of course American women want rough sex. They have become so masculine that you now have to become a drill sergeant to get them off. Fucking most American women today, is like fucking a guy with a pussy. Hell, even the gay guys are more feminine than the women these days...well, I suppose they always were...

I don't know about you guys, but I just don't find them sexually attractive. I am sexually attracted to feminine woman not masculine women. And no amount of viagra is going to help either.

Here is a recent example. I was on the beach and I had noticed this really attractive blonde American girl. So I walked by her in the water and she stopped me and started talking about something. She was a little drunk. But the moment she opened her mouth, I started to get turned off. She was loud and masculine like a drunken sailor. While physically she looked attractive there was nothing in her behavior or demeanor that was feminine. To me, she was like a college guy in a girl's body. I even ended up holding and kissing her and her body was hard like a guy she was too fit. There was nothing soft about her, (well her tits were), either her body or more importantly her personality. And this is how I feel with a lot of American girls.

What is happening is that they are transitioning into becoming the masculine gender and the guys are transitioning into becoming the feminine gender - the roles and behavior are reversing. In 20 years guys under 20 will be pretty much like girls and the girls like guys as we knew them 20 years ago.