Post: #151

(05-26-2014 05:48 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  You fail to see anything Kamaki because you are a keyboard jockey, we only have you word to back up your experiences, nobody has ever met you despite numerous attempts. So sorry if I take none of your comments with any weight or seriousness.

I guess that the opposite is true.You read my reports with the most interest.Now I will come to Lvov and possibly meet with whoishe.Seraching for hotels in Lvov I did not find any big discounts after the devaluaton of grivnya.I Kiev there are indeed some good offers(not that hotels like Kreshatik or Ukraina were worth 70-80 euro per night their prices were inflated so now 40-50 euro is more normal price).I guess this has more to do with the exodus of foreigners and the war than with the grivnya situation.Anyway I will be in place to testify the changes.

Post: #152

Moriarty - easy bro!

Your the new kid on the block and calling out DaveR and Kamaki is out of order.

Post: #153

Kamaki gets called out all the time by one and all, no shock.

Post: #154

Kamaki, strange that a high baller such as yourself would choose Lviv. I would have though Odessa or Kiev would be more your style.

Didn't you spend a lot of time in Wroclaw? There's loads off rvf people there, you must have at least met one person

Your claims of more than 50% inflation are nonsense. I really wonder what your motivation is for constantly spreading wildly inaccurate information

Post: #155

(05-29-2014 04:35 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Kamaki, strange that a high baller such as yourself would choose Lviv. I would have though Odessa or Kiev would be more your style.

Didn't you spend a lot of time in Wroclaw? There's loads off rvf people there, you must have at least met one person

Your claims of more than 50% inflation are nonsense. I really wonder what your motivation is for constantly spreading wildly inaccurate information

Airport situation.In case of war the airports will be closed.The rail will remain intact that is why I chose Lvov.
I spent only one weekend in Wroclaw and did not like it.I never talked about 50% inflation because I have not been in Ukraine post Maydan events.What I wrote is that hotel prices in Lvov have not changed much.They have changed in Kiev.Also that inflation is not important for us tourists since mostly refers to goods consumed by locals like super market prices while for us what is important are hotel,club,restaurant and taxi prices.
What I write is accurate.I just write what many see but are afraid to say.In this way I have a liberating effect.

Post: #156

So yes to lviv in July and August or no since the students are gone.

Post: #157

I just did a quick check on air BNB for the same apartment with a balcony right across from the Madan where I stayed last Winter. I paid $100 and it's on for $88 but that is for July peak Summer time when prices are higher, it would be at least $150 in normal times. I know the owner & he could easily give it to me for $75. Prices are definitely down at least for a accommendation.

Post: #158

(05-29-2014 09:04 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 04:35 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Kamaki, strange that a high baller such as yourself would choose Lviv. I would have though Odessa or Kiev would be more your style.

Didn't you spend a lot of time in Wroclaw? There's loads off rvf people there, you must have at least met one person

Your claims of more than 50% inflation are nonsense. I really wonder what your motivation is for constantly spreading wildly inaccurate information

Airport situation.In case of war the airports will be closed.The rail will remain intact that is why I chose Lvov.
I spent only one weekend in Wroclaw and did not like it.I never talked about 50% inflation because I have not been in Ukraine post Maydan events.What I wrote is that hotel prices in Lvov have not changed much.They have changed in Kiev.Also that inflation is not important for us tourists since mostly refers to goods consumed by locals like super market prices while for us what is important are hotel,club,restaurant and taxi prices.
What I write is accurate.I just write what many see but are afraid to say.In this way I have a liberating effect.

This is what you said

Quote:The prices for hotels,clubs,restaurants remain always the same after depreciation of gryvnia in Ukraine since they are calculated in dollars.These are the main expenses a tourist will have.

What you are forgetting is that if the put the prices up to much nobody will go to that hotel, restaurant, club. I have seen no difference in prices in clubs and restaurants, fancy or cheap. Many of these places are now resigned to making less profits.

When in Kiev the entry few to a club as usual was no more than 100 UAH, I paid 50 UAH for a Vodka and Mixer at Sorry Babushka(Burn energy drink is only 15 UAH there interestingly) which was high, but elsewhere around 37 UAH.

Food here in Odessa is priced somewhere between Lviv and Kiev. I have showed some examples already.

Hotels prices haven't changed

This hotel right on Kreschetik is not bad at all and works out at about $40 a night.

http://www.booking.com/hotel/ua/dnipro.e...47f6b5fX18

Unless you have some information to substantiate your claim that prices haven't changed, then be un-balkanlike and concede that you are wrong ))

Post: #159

(05-29-2014 10:17 AM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  So yes to lviv in July and August or no since the students are gone.

Nowhere is bad in Ukraine in summer, but Odessa should be given the most consideration. But it depends on who you are and your game level.

Competition levels increase in Odessa in summer season, street approaches become harder I would imagine, as people are constantly being harassed by sex tourists, gypsies, beggars, promotions people.

Also nobody is completely sure what Odessa will be like this summer, as far as I am aware Russian men between 16 and 60 are still barred from visiting the country. Which sounds good in essence until you realise that many of these Russians girls usually come with men, or their families, so not good.

In Odessa you must should as much alpha like behavior as possible. Only the strongest will get their end's wet. The guys are probably the best competition in the whole country(West Ukraine they are the worst)

There is probably a big exodus in Lviv in summer, girls will go to Grandma's house, parent's home, summer camp etc.

Post: #160

(05-29-2014 04:35 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Kamaki, strange that a high baller such as yourself would choose Lviv. I would have though Odessa or Kiev would be more your style.

Didn't you spend a lot of time in Wroclaw? There's loads off rvf people there, you must have at least met one person

Your claims of more than 50% inflation are nonsense. I really wonder what your motivation is for constantly spreading wildly inaccurate information

Moriarty whats up with you...having a bad day?

Post: #161

Quote:In Odessa you must should as much alpha like behavior as possible. Only the strongest will get their end's wet. The guys are probably the best competition in the whole country(West Ukraine they are the worst)

LOL....I agree 100%. This is the main reason I have ALWAYS criticized Odessa. Can't compare to Kiev in business man game(Don Draper game).

For some of us who are from big cities like NYC, we do better in Kiev, Moscow and Warsaw (Slubu back me on this). It just our style. We don't fit the hipster cool , backpacking , marijuana smoking , ripped jeans with printed shirt type guys that seem to flock to Odessa. Makes sense since its a beach town.

It was the only city I ever felt out of place casually suiting up . Even in 2 nd tier cities you can stand out positively being dressed up. This is me when I was 28 so it isn't because I am old man now.

IMHO most gamers , especially the non veterans don't want the Best competition. If they did they would stay home in hunt in L.A.

I think it is easier gaming Odessans in Little Odessa , Brooklyn than Odessa UA (my 1st gf was from Odessa lol). But I admit this is mostly based on observation than 1st hand experience. But as a cop (paid to observe others), and educated in Social Sciences (Psych), and literally growing up in night clubs observing human behavior before I even entered H.S. I trust my observation more than I do the average whiner in the Irish pub. I still say Poltava was the easiest city I was ever in, even better than Kiev.

Post: #162

I was if Moriarty was really Deb. LOL

Post: #163

(05-30-2014 08:41 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  I was if Moriarty was really Deb. LOL

LOL

In 2 days there will be another influx of clone new accounts.

Post: #164

Currently in Lvov.Met up with whoishe yesterday we hit Fashion club but then I had to interrupt cause a girl had already come to meet me at hotel.After banging she went to sleep and I called whoishe again to hit another club.
Heavy rain severely restricts daygame opportunities.My impressions about Lvov:
1.Girls are hotter than in Poland.The main reason is they are slimmer and have kept sillouhette.They also dress more interesting than polish girls and all have high heels.
Lvov blows Katowice away and is better than Poznan in terms of girls appearance.
2.Fashion club although gathering the hottest chicks in town is totally controlled by the establishment.When I spoke to two girls and they showed enthuisiasm a guy came to me and asked me in Russian if I am administrator what right do I have to talk to girls.Then he talked to them for a while.After his flirt I hit back again on them with him taking notice and coming in a minute.He again talked to them.Third time when he left the same.Then he came again fast when he saw me and told me go talk to them.Of course the damage had already been done the girls were no longer willing.
Everytime hot girls would come to sit on table the same guy would come and talk to them and then introduce his friends.We talk about total block by the establishment.

2.Ukrainian guys are vastly improved in terms of appearance.They work out a lot and many are pumped up.They are also quite aggressive.In clubs there is definetely violence in the air I had a swnse of threat when I was talking to girls.
3.The next club Sankoff was better in arrangement but worse in girls quality.I struck some conversations but we had come late and all the easy girls were already occupied so we hit on rock.It was also away from the centre.

In my opinion there are big opportunities in Lvov but there is also some tight control and sense of national pride which was not the case the last time I was there.Also many mafia types and strange people.
Compared to Poland the stakes are higher and the risks as well.I am sure if I had not to stay with the same girl in hotel as I do now I would be able to pull another one.
The girl is as hot as girls in Fashion or Sankoff tall slender,super legs but very provincially dressed and with bad make-up and cheap shoes so not so presentable for club.
I have to thank whoishe for showing me all the right venues.

Post: #165

(06-01-2014 04:31 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Currently in Lvov.Met up with whoishe yesterday we hit Fashion club but then I had to interrupt cause a girl had already come to meet me at hotel.After banging she went to sleep and I called whoishe again to hit another club.
Heavy rain severely restricts daygame opportunities.My impressions about Lvov:
1.Girls are hotter than in Poland.The main reason is they are slimmer and have kept sillouhette.They also dress more interesting than polish girls and all have high heels.
Lvov blows Katowice away and is better than Poznan in terms of girls appearance.
2.Fashion club although gathering the hottest chicks in town is totally controlled by the establishment.When I spoke to two girls and they showed enthuisiasm a guy came to me and asked me in Russian if I am administrator what right do I have to talk to girls.Then he talked to them for a while.After his flirt I hit back again on them with him taking notice and coming in a minute.He again talked to them.Third time when he left the same.Then he came again fast when he saw me and told me go talk to them.Of course the damage had already been done the girls were no longer willing.
Everytime hot girls would come to sit on table the same guy would come and talk to them and then introduce his friends.We talk about total block by the establishment.
2.Ukrainian guys are vastly improved in terms of appearance.They work out a lot and many are pumped up.They are also quite aggressive.In clubs there is definetely violence in the air I had a swnse of threat when I was talking to girls.
3.The next club Sankoff was better in arrangement but worse in girls quality.I struck some conversations but we had come late and all the easy girls were already occupied so we hit on rock.It was also away from the centre.
In my opinion there are big opportunities in Lvov but there is also some tight control and sense of national pride which was not the case the last time I was there.Also many mafia types and strange people.
Compared to Poland the stakes are higher and the risks as well.I am sure if I had not to stay with the same girl in hotel as I do now I would be able to pull another one.
The girl is as hot as girls in Fashion or Sankoff tall slender,super legs but very provincially dressed and with bad make-up and cheap shoes so not so presentable for club.
I have to thank whoishe for showing me all the right venues.

Yeah, it was nice to meet you as well.

The cockblocker at Fashion actually was kind of funny to watch at, with his drinking/cockblocking and opening girls at the same time - it looked like his full time job .
Too bad we didn't check the place few hours later.

Pity about rain and daygame.

Post: #166

I am sure he was part of the establishment because he asked me if I belonged to the club management.They let him do whatever he wanted while when I tried to talk to girls in tables a waitress always came to interrupt us.
In my opinion to have success in Fashion club you have to be recognizable to get connections with the establishment.
All the security guys had their eyes fixed on us making movements difficult.At one point whoishe started talking loud in English about girls and game and they all listened with attention.I told him to silence they would throw us out.

Post: #167

(06-01-2014 04:31 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Currently in Lvov.Met up with whoishe yesterday we hit Fashion club but then I had to interrupt cause a girl had already come to meet me at hotel.After banging she went to sleep and I called whoishe again to hit another club.
Heavy rain severely restricts daygame opportunities.My impressions about Lvov:
1.Girls are hotter than in Poland.The main reason is they are slimmer and have kept sillouhette.They also dress more interesting than polish girls and all have high heels.
Lvov blows Katowice away and is better than Poznan in terms of girls appearance.
2.Fashion club although gathering the hottest chicks in town is totally controlled by the establishment.When I spoke to two girls and they showed enthuisiasm a guy came to me and asked me in Russian if I am administrator what right do I have to talk to girls.Then he talked to them for a while.After his flirt I hit back again on them with him taking notice and coming in a minute.He again talked to them.Third time when he left the same.Then he came again fast when he saw me and told me go talk to them.Of course the damage had already been done the girls were no longer willing.
Everytime hot girls would come to sit on table the same guy would come and talk to them and then introduce his friends.We talk about total block by the establishment.

2.Ukrainian guys are vastly improved in terms of appearance.They work out a lot and many are pumped up.They are also quite aggressive.In clubs there is definetely violence in the air I had a swnse of threat when I was talking to girls.
3.The next club Sankoff was better in arrangement but worse in girls quality.I struck some conversations but we had come late and all the easy girls were already occupied so we hit on rock.It was also away from the centre.

In my opinion there are big opportunities in Lvov but there is also some tight control and sense of national pride which was not the case the last time I was there.Also many mafia types and strange people.
Compared to Poland the stakes are higher and the risks as well.I am sure if I had not to stay with the same girl in hotel as I do now I would be able to pull another one.
The girl is as hot as girls in Fashion or Sankoff tall slender,super legs but very provincially dressed and with bad make-up and cheap shoes so not so presentable for club.
I have to thank whoishe for showing me all the right venues.

I have never heard such inaccurate BS, even from GK. One must be naturally suspicious of GK. He was recently berated for never having met a single forum member from RVF, now all of a sudden he's in Lvov with a new friend.

2. To say that Lviv guys are pumped up is a joke, almost zero of them go to the gym, the biggest Ukrainian guys I have seen is in Odessa. Especially crazy you said that seeing as you have spent a lot of time in Poland where the guys are huge.

There is almost no aggression from Western Ukrainian guys especially, never got into a fight in Lvov, only scuffle I had was with some Arabs.

The "Establishment" are chilled as fuck at Fashion club, I never had an issue.

I have some friends who are at Fashion club every weekend, I will ask them if they saw a dodgy looking Greek guy causing trouble.

Post: #168

(06-01-2014 04:54 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I am sure he was part of the establishment because he asked me if I belonged to the club management.They let him do whatever he wanted while when I tried to talk to girls in tables a waitress always came to interrupt us.
In my opinion to have success in Fashion club you have to be recognizable to get connections with the establishment.
All the security guys had their eyes fixed on us making movements difficult.At one point whoishe started talking loud in English about girls and game and they all listened with attention.I told him to silence they would throw us out.

Rubbish, bouncers are soft as crap there.

Deb

Post: #169

(06-01-2014 07:31 AM)Clunge Wrote:  

(06-01-2014 04:54 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I am sure he was part of the establishment because he asked me if I belonged to the club management.They let him do whatever he wanted while when I tried to talk to girls in tables a waitress always came to interrupt us.
In my opinion to have success in Fashion club you have to be recognizable to get connections with the establishment.
All the security guys had their eyes fixed on us making movements difficult.At one point whoishe started talking loud in English about girls and game and they all listened with attention.I told him to silence they would throw us out.

Rubbish, bouncers are soft as crap there. You sound completely hopeless, blaming everybody in the club for your lack of success

Deb

Post: #170

Deb,you have humor.

Post: #171

After throwing one dick and two cocks to Ukrainian girl I discover again the cappricious nature of women.They behave really rough when you want to sleep they want to walk when you want to drink they want to eat and when you want to get out they want to sleep.
Only after drinking wodku you do not give a shit that is why Ukrainian men largely prefer this method.Here there is also an atmosphere of old world,flowers,valettes opening doors etc sometimes it is impressive.The women behave also very traditional.Here I discovered how many kilos unfortunately polish women have put on in the last years if you lived in Germany you would believe Polki were in diet but here their sins are revealed.

Post: #172

As for pumped up guys I saw a lot in Szcecin,Katowice,Lvov very few in Poznan and almost noone in Wroclaw.Actually in Lviv there were semi fights going on and they would develop to fights if the bouncers did not intervene.The bouncers really do a job in Ukraine and there are many of them in the clubs,in Poland they are most for the eyes(to be seen that the club is serious).
Physically Ukrainian guys are more stocky than polish guys with more concentrated power.There are not so many beasts like in Poland.

Ukrainian girls are more pale than polish girls have better looking faces although not completely escaping hutterface standard,worse teeth,more interesting coiffures(they must pay a fortune for that),they are dressed more sexy in heels and mini skirts and are much more ignorant about the world outside of Ukraine.When I told the the girls in Fashion club I am from Greece they started screaming ja chotsiu do Kypr(I want to Cyprus) again and again like children.Not sth you see with polish girls they are generally more enthusiastic if they like you.On the other hand rejections are more harsh than in Poland you get answers aka nechotsiu znakomstvo(I do not want getting to know you) or they make gestures to stop.
They also get too much influenced by their girlfriends so you have to get the approval of their girlfriend otherwise you are fucked.People in Ukraine like to control other people there is not this freedom Poles enjoy.

Post: #173

(06-01-2014 02:40 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  As for pumped up guys I saw a lot in Szcecin,Katowice,Lvov very few in Poznan and almost noone in Wroclaw.Actually in Lviv there were semi fights going on and they would develop to fights if the bouncers did not intervene.The bouncers really do a job in Ukraine and there are many of them in the clubs,in Poland they are most for the eyes(to be seen that the club is serious).
Physically Ukrainian guys are more stocky than polish guys with more concentrated power.There are not so many beasts like in Poland.

Ukrainian girls are more pale than polish girls have better looking faces although not completely escaping hutterface standard,worse teeth,more interesting coiffures(they must pay a fortune for that),they are dressed more sexy in heels and mini skirts (which are more cheap than polish girls use to wear but nonetheless impressive)and are much more ignorant about the world outside of Ukraine.When I told the the girls in Fashion club I am from Greece they started screaming ja chotsiu do Kypr(I want to Cyprus) again and again like children.Not sth you see with polish girls they are generally more enthusiastic if they like you.On the other hand rejections are more harsh than in Poland you get answers aka nechotsiu znakomstvo(I do not want getting to know you) or they make gestures to stop.
They also get too much influenced by their girlfriends so you have to get the approval of their girlfriend otherwise you are fucked.People in Ukraine like to control other people there is not this freedom Poles enjoy.

Post: #174

One thing I didn't know and just learnt it during my trip back home (yes, no more Lviv for me at the moment) - there were between 30 and 50 thousand people on Saturday evening attending concert (I think some very popular local artist) on Lviv stadium. That's kind of explain why attendance at Fashion and Sankoff club was worse than expected on Saturday.

I almost forgot - comparing to April oil and gas prices went significantly up (I think from 11grn to 15 grn), so rest of the products will probably follow suit soon. Some locals were already telling me about inflation coming, but I guess as a tourist I didn't see it yet - bars and restaurants probably has more supplies and they are still using it.

And special hello to NN guys and their moronic opinions about me and Kamaki. Sorry "Special Ed" - I enjoyed your posts here, but you would just lose a small fortune. So for your own sake just don't make any bets in real life

Post: #175

I paid 25 euro for a meal for two in the Greek restaurant exactly the same I paid 4 years ago.So much for the prices.Hotel prices have remained the same,taxi prices are the same.