Post: #26

(04-18-2014 06:49 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Yes, Ukrainian and Russian guys are smooth talkers you notice that if you speak Russian. Did you visit Fashion club,Millennium?Were there other Poles in Lvov?In your opinion polish or Ukrainian girls tend to drink more?Ukrainian also dance quite differently more feminine and not so sexy aggressive like polish girls. They alsol tend to wear higher heels and more make-up.Did you see any Ukrainian guys aka polish dresiarz or Ukrainian women looking like suczki,blachary?
How do you think an Ukrainian guy would fare in Poland?

First of all, I'm pretty sure you have much more balanced experience regarding Ukraine and Poland, so it should be me asking you. Something is definitely wrong here

Regarding your questions:
1) Didn't visit Fashion and Millenium this time. I was there in December - Millenium seemed dead (Friday), so I don't think I will give it 2nd chance. I visited Fashion in December as well, I think Ladies Night on Thursday.
I hear that they can stop guys from going into because of not good enough dress but I actually didn;t have any problems. Really like this place, especially Karaoke part was fun (located one level lower than dance flooor I think) and girls looked more loose comparing to the ones at dance floor. But for me it was too high end of place, Im definitely not a guy who can connect with a girls there, as they will be hoping for someone better I guess. But even there rejections I've got were polite. Maybe I will try another time in the future, as I have slightly more confidence now.

Ratios at Fashion looked good, but somehow I think it was better at Karaoke comparing to dance floor.

I decided this time not to party on Sunday, but somebody mentioned to me Rafinad club as having a good party on that day, if you don't want to go to Metro. But other people were claiming that Rafinad is a place for spoiled rich kids, so doesn't sound very promising for me.

2) When I was going to Lviv by car there was also one more passenger from Poland... and that's it. Only time I overheard polish language was Sunday night and I guess it was group of polish students. During my previous trips I;ve heard polish language everywhere.

3) Definitely polish girls drink more, it's no-contest. Among 6 girls I had rotating at my table one didn;t drink, 4 used maybe 1-2 drinks done by themselves and maybe one drunk slightly more, but I am not even sure. When I was saying goodbye to three of them around 3 am neither of them looked anywhere close to being under serious alcohol influence.

It was quite a shock on Monday morning, when I was going out to breakfast and around "rynok" I saw two girls who looked like they were coming back from late party. One was totally sober, but one was crazy drunk - didnt see before so drunk girl in Lviv. She was also relatively non-attractive, unlike her friend.

4) Definitely Ukrainian girls wear high heels more aften - after every trip to Lviv I am automatic in looking at Polish girls walking in Warsaw, it's no comparison. Probably they wear more make-up as well, but at least girls I've spent Sunday night with didn't seem wearing anything heavy. Not sure why, they were all dressed nicely. If you know polish girls in Warsaw who worked or were friends with Ukrainian chicks they will aften make fun of them because of them overdoing heels, dress nicely even when going to groceries, etc...
It should tell a story in which direction polish girls are going...

Now I remember that I was supposed to ask chicks in Lviv about fake eye lashes Roosh mentioned in talkshow, will do it next time.

5) Didn't see any "suczki-blachary" in where I was partying, but I was mostly spending time with girls who are seriously into physical activity, totally different crowd. Maybe I should look at them when I visited Fashion. There were some stunners there from what I remember, but didn't look particularly in a way you are asking.

Regarding "dresiarz" - you rarely see Ukrainian guys dressed like polish "dresiarz". So even if there is maybe a similar group of them (isn't "gopnik" considered similar?) their "dress code" looks different

6) Very difficult to see how Ukrainian guys would do in Poland. I've heard about a few marriages, so I guess its possible. But with polish girls lookint at Spaniards/Latins/Germans/Scandinavians/Blacks/Arabs and high/medium value polish guys I would say they would struggle. Please they have much better girls at home and if they are doing enough on local level they can finished with a nice enough girl.

Also, worth mentioning - saw a few times in Lviv situation where I would consider guy to be dating down when I looked at his girl. But now when I am looking into it more it definitely happens more frequently in Poland. Still a very long road to catch USA in this matter though from what I understand.

Edit: could you clear your PM inbox? Thanks.

Post: #27

I agree with your observations.In Lvov at ladies night you almost never fail.I had the sense of too much easiness although there is not this polish craziness there.

Post: #28

(04-18-2014 06:27 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I agree with your observations.In Lvov at ladies night you almost never fail.I had the sense of too much easiness although there is not this polish craziness there.

Just to be sure - I didn't write anything about how Ladies Night are easy and probably for me it won't be. But if they are for you I don't doubt it, so congratulations once again.

Post: #29

(04-18-2014 06:38 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 06:27 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I agree with your observations.In Lvov at ladies night you almost never fail.I had the sense of too much easiness although there is not this polish craziness there.

Just to be sure - I didn't write anything about how Ladies Night are easy and probably for me it won't be. But if they are for you I don't doubt it, so congratulations once again.

I remember in one ladies night I came to the club with 5 girls,had two of them in my lap and then I was between two 20 years old model looking having one hand on the panties of one of them while the other caressed my hand.I have also fingered girls there on ladies night while kissing their girlfriends.So nothing is impossible.Some women appear with too hot appearance(once I saw a fishnet blouse with no bra and the nipples protruding out of the holes).
A decent Pole can kill it there there is no doubt.Polish are viewed in western Ukraine as serious businessmen and people of importance.
Some highlights in Lvov.I ask a girl:
-What music do you like?
Her answer:I like hardcore sex.

Another one I had just met:Would you like to go for a coffee?
Her:I do not want to drink coffee.Let"s get to your hotel room.

Or after some caressing:
Her:What is your favourite sexual position?
Me:Anal.
Her(turning to the wall and lifting her skirt):Fuck my ass.

Post: #30

(04-17-2014 08:32 PM)whoishe Wrote:  "Earlier today I read somewhere else a 26-pages long topic with report done by some relatively high value guy around 35 yrs old from Sillicon Valley who despite doing well back home with local girls (in ONS way at least), speaking almost fluent Russian, being in shape, putting a lot on effort into his appearance and doing a lot of pipelining - failed big time trying to run Western Game

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/in...ic=11863.0

Huge thread and I've just had a look at a couple of pages...big-time Aspie nerd with no understanding of women (i.e. total blue pill) goes off to Russia to find his bride. Slow motion train wreck looks to be in the offing.

Post: #31

(04-18-2014 12:51 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 03:48 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  I was in Lviv/Lvov a few weeks ago.

I found it hard work compared to Kiev and other parts of Ukraine, they are very conservative.

The mood was somber when I was there, just after the violence in Kiev. The clubs were completely empty, funerals in the street, alcohol restrictions etc.

What was Kiev like? Is it still civil war-ish?

Not too bad, but not as good as I remember it used to be.

The city of Kiev will never be the same unfortunately.

Post: #32

(04-19-2014 12:23 PM)Moriarty Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 12:51 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 03:48 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  I was in Lviv/Lvov a few weeks ago.

I found it hard work compared to Kiev and other parts of Ukraine, they are very conservative.

The mood was somber when I was there, just after the violence in Kiev. The clubs were completely empty, funerals in the street, alcohol restrictions etc.

What was Kiev like? Is it still civil war-ish?

Not too bad, but not as good as I remember it used to be.

The city of Kiev will never be the same unfortunately.

I second you on that, the economy will take years to recover there, by that time I might even be married

I wonder though if the other UA cities will be affected by the political chaos as much, specifically Odessa. I had a great time there last summer, I wonder if the Arcadia beach neighborhood there will be happening this summer considering that many tourist (Russian) chicks might be hesitant on going there.

Post: #33

(04-19-2014 07:35 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 12:23 PM)Moriarty Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 12:51 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 03:48 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  I was in Lviv/Lvov a few weeks ago.

I found it hard work compared to Kiev and other parts of Ukraine, they are very conservative.

The mood was somber when I was there, just after the violence in Kiev. The clubs were completely empty, funerals in the street, alcohol restrictions etc.

What was Kiev like? Is it still civil war-ish?

Not too bad, but not as good as I remember it used to be.

The city of Kiev will never be the same unfortunately.

I second you on that, the economy will take years to recover there, by that time I might even be married

I wonder though if the other UA cities will be affected by the political chaos as much, specifically Odessa. I had a great time there last summer, I wonder if the Arcadia beach neighborhood there will be happening this summer considering that many tourist (Russian) chicks might be hesitant on going there.

Well hard one to speculate on.

Ukrainian people are not going to be able to afford to travel this summer so readily - not even Bulgaria, as the UAH has dropped by more than 50%. This is the advantage of a weak economy, the country's tourism receives a boost.

Crimea is now Russia, many pro Ukrainian tourists will not want to travel there, they will go to Odessa. There will be an increase in Russian tourists, but Crimea doesn't really have the reputation as a party place so the younger ones won't be interested.

In recent news, Russian men between the ages of 18 and 60 will now not be able to enter Ukraine unless they have family there. This should be good news so there will be few Russian guys to cockblock you with their yachts.

Western Foreigners will be in short supply, as they are fearful for their lives due to sensationalist Western news headlines.

Turks won't care, they will risk life and limb to get laid with a Ukrainian girl.

So all in all I think Odessa should be good this year.

Post: #34

I like the positive thinking, moriarty. If anything, I'd think now is the best time to go to Ukraine.

You have the perfect storm of a collapsing currency and no tourism due to sensationalist media. My prediction is things go back to 'normal' in Kiev pretty soon. I'd be more concerned in the eastern parts of Ukraine to be honest.

Post: #35

(04-20-2014 12:32 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  I like the positive thinking, moriarty. If anything, I'd think now is the best time to go to Ukraine.

You have the perfect storm of a collapsing currency and no tourism due to sensationalist media. My prediction is things go back to 'normal' in Kiev pretty soon. I'd be more concerned in the eastern parts of Ukraine to be honest.

I heard it from the horses' mouth here recently, a girl said to me

"Women here are interested in foreigners more now because of economic and political problems"

I have asked numerous girls here whether they are pro Russian or pro Ukrainian, the general consensus is that they don't really care and they want everything to go back to normal.

If the Eastern Ukrainian cities went to Russia that would be a shame for us guys, many of us would need a visa.

Post: #36

Also this helps!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25...28743.html

Post: #37

(04-20-2014 12:55 PM)Moriarty Wrote:  Also this helps!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25...28743.html

I don't think it matters really, plus some of the girls aren't very hot.

Much more important it's that two weeks before the "hour 0" Wizzair decided to not open their new operational base in Lviv. So connections to and from Barcelona, Girona, Valencia, Rome, Neapol, Tel Aviv and Kutaisi won't be created.

Very good for us IMO, as it keeps Lviv away from masses of Italian and Spaniards comng there.

Post: #38

(04-20-2014 03:43 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 12:55 PM)Moriarty Wrote:  Also this helps!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25...28743.html

I don't think it matters really, plus some of the girls aren't very hot.

Much more important it's that two weeks before the "hour 0" Wizzair decided to not open their new operational base in Lviv. So connections to and from Barcelona, Girona, Valencia, Rome, Neapol, Tel Aviv and Kutaisi won't be created.

Very good for us IMO, as it keeps Lviv away from masses of Italian and Spaniards comng there.

There's been flights to Lviv for some time from other destinations and has brought very few sex tourists from anywhere apart from Turkey of course.

Italians and Spaniards would prefer to go somewhere like Poland, Hungary, Baltics where the standards are higher, they are more likely to get a quickie, and they can get their erotic massages.

Now if Wizzair started flying to Odessa in high season, that would be a different story.

Post: #39

I woke up today with a feeling that I should go to Lviv for a month to check how I would function there if I would decide to re-locate on permanent basis later this year or in 2015.
May or June sounds like a decent month to do it. Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Post: #40

Lviv is nice in Spring/Autumn, though rather dull in summertime as many people are on their holidays.

Odessa is a good idea in June, as the summer clubs will be open, Odessa also has better facilities than Lviv. The girls are hotter in Odessa, but in Lviv they are more receptive(although this doesn't always translate into tangible results)

Post: #41

(04-23-2014 08:30 AM)whoishe Wrote:  I woke up today with a feeling that I should go to Lviv for a month to check how I would function there if I would decide to re-locate on permanent basis later this year or in 2015.
May or June sounds like a decent month to do it. Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Do it!!!

Post: #42

(04-23-2014 10:27 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Lviv is nice in Spring/Autumn, though rather dull in summertime as many people are on their holidays.

Odessa is a good idea in June, as the summer clubs will be open, Odessa also has better facilities than Lviv. The girls are hotter in Odessa, but in Lviv they are more receptive(although this doesn't always translate into tangible results)

Thanks for your input.

I am not really interested in Odessa or other places at the moment. Like I mentioned in opening post - I am not a player, I am a below average guy, who is looking for increase his chances on dating market. For me something like "good enough women quality" exists and definitely Lviv is good enough.

Also, I am in process of re-reading "Bang Ukraine" and Roosh mentions there how important is when you are in some local social circle and/or you are not a stranger to girls you are trying to pick up. I positioned myself very well in this aspect in Lviv and it would be extremely poor decision for me to go elsewhere and start from the bottom.

Decision to go for month to Lviv in May/June has absolutely no money sense for me. Its still possible I will do it though and will consider it "investment" for my future plans.

Post: #43

(04-23-2014 10:27 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Lviv is nice in Spring/Autumn, though rather dull in summertime as many people are on their holidays.

Odessa is a good idea in June, as the summer clubs will be open, Odessa also has better facilities than Lviv. The girls are hotter in Odessa, but in Lviv they are more receptive(although this doesn't always translate into tangible results)

As someone who was in Odessa last year I can say with some certainty that the fun factor and good ratio's were caused partially by the influx of "foreign" girls and unfortunately that won't be the same this year. I met girls in Arcadia clubs there last year and many of them were either Russian or Belorussian tourists. I doubt with the current political situation and near civil war brewing that this area will be as alive. Your best bet I would say is to go to Lviv and wait for the turmoil in Russian speaking part of Ukraine to settle.

Post: #44

(04-23-2014 05:48 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:27 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Lviv is nice in Spring/Autumn, though rather dull in summertime as many people are on their holidays.

Odessa is a good idea in June, as the summer clubs will be open, Odessa also has better facilities than Lviv. The girls are hotter in Odessa, but in Lviv they are more receptive(although this doesn't always translate into tangible results)

As someone who was in Odessa last year I can say with some certainty that the fun factor and good ratio's were caused partially by the influx of "foreign" girls and unfortunately that won't be the same this year. I met girls in Arcadia clubs there last year and many of them were either Russian or Belorussian tourists. I doubt with the current political situation and near civil war brewing that this area will be as alive. Your best bet I would say is to go to Lviv and wait for the turmoil in Russian speaking part of Ukraine to settle.

Sounds like a plan. But it sort of sucks that those of us who have spent all this time learning Russian might not be able to use it all that much in Western Ukraine or maybe even Kiev (assumes that the women will be more pro-Ukrainian and less willing to speak Russian if the heated rhetoric and/or infighting picks up).

I had one girl in Kiev write me back today saying "Russia is my enemy - Moscow is the capital of my enemy" when I opened her online (my profile still says I live in Moscow)...yikes!

Post: #45

(04-23-2014 08:30 AM)whoishe Wrote:  I woke up today with a feeling that I should go to Lviv for a month to check how I would function there if I would decide to re-locate on permanent basis later this year or in 2015.
May or June sounds like a decent month to do it. Decisions, decisions, decisions...

As soon as I get my freelancing income to a decent level, I'm seriously considering a move to Lviv. It would be nice to have a wingman or two also living there.

(04-23-2014 08:05 PM)Akula Wrote:  Sounds like a plan. But it sort of sucks that those of us who have spent all this time learning Russian might not be able to use it all that much in Western Ukraine or maybe even Kiev (assumes that the women will be more pro-Ukrainian and less willing to speak Russian if the heated rhetoric and/or infighting picks up).

I had one girl in Kiev write me back today saying "Russia is my enemy - Moscow is the capital of my enemy" when I opened her online!! (my profile still says I live in Moscow)...yikes!

Yea, that does kind of suck. But the languages are close enough and they all understand Russian. If you're fluent in Russian already, I think you could probably get the gist of what they're mumbling about in Lviv with a few months exposure.

Post: #46

(04-23-2014 08:29 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:30 AM)whoishe Wrote:  I woke up today with a feeling that I should go to Lviv for a month to check how I would function there if I would decide to re-locate on permanent basis later this year or in 2015.
May or June sounds like a decent month to do it. Decisions, decisions, decisions...

As soon as I get my freelancing income to a decent level, I'm seriously considering a move to Lviv. It would be nice to have a wingman or two also living there.

(04-23-2014 08:05 PM)Akula Wrote:  Sounds like a plan. But it sort of sucks that those of us who have spent all this time learning Russian might not be able to use it all that much in Western Ukraine or maybe even Kiev (assumes that the women will be more pro-Ukrainian and less willing to speak Russian if the heated rhetoric and/or infighting picks up).

I had one girl in Kiev write me back today saying "Russia is my enemy - Moscow is the capital of my enemy" when I opened her online!! (my profile still says I live in Moscow)...yikes!

Yea, that does kind of suck. But the languages are close enough and they all understand Russian. If you're fluent in Russian already, I think you could probably get the gist of what they're mumbling about in Lviv with a few months exposure.

Yes, you could, the languages are ~63% mutually intelligible but as someone who speaks advanced Russian I can tell you that understanding is one thing but answering intelligibly is a completely different beast. Also, there are hundred's of words in Ukrainian that are not similar to Russian at all.
For example, first time I heard hello in Ukrainian "Вітаю" I thought to myself, WTF is that word?
Another time a host mentioned to me that cheers in UA is "Будьмо" and not necessarily "За здоровье" and so on. I think some intense memorization of certain words would be necessary to impress some of the more nationalist leaning girls.

Post: #47

(04-23-2014 08:05 PM)Akula Wrote:  Sounds like a plan. But it sort of sucks that those of us who have spent all this time learning Russian might not be able to use it all that much in Western Ukraine or maybe even Kiev (assumes that the women will be more pro-Ukrainian and less willing to speak Russian if the heated rhetoric and/or infighting picks up).

I had one girl in Kiev write me back today saying "Russia is my enemy - Moscow is the capital of my enemy" when I opened her online (my profile still says I live in Moscow)...yikes!

That shouldn't be a problem. I have been extensively to Ukraine in the last three years (will go there again in a couple of weeks) and most people in Kiev speak Russian between themselves even if they are ethnically Ukrainian. In fact, that's one of the things that infuriated them most, that Putin was stating that Russian speakers were in danger when almost everyone spoke Russian on their daily lives.

Also, being a foreigner should help. Nobody expects a foreigner to speak Ukrainian, as it's a completely useless language outside of Ukraine, it's a bit like in Barcelona, where I live, nobody will expect you to speak Catalan other than a few hardliners, of which you won't want to be close anyway.

Post: #48

(04-23-2014 05:16 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:27 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Lviv is nice in Spring/Autumn, though rather dull in summertime as many people are on their holidays.

Odessa is a good idea in June, as the summer clubs will be open, Odessa also has better facilities than Lviv. The girls are hotter in Odessa, but in Lviv they are more receptive(although this doesn't always translate into tangible results)

Thanks for your input.

I am not really interested in Odessa or other places at the moment. Like I mentioned in opening post - I am not a player, I am a below average guy, who is looking for increase his chances on dating market. For me something like "good enough women quality" exists and definitely Lviv is good enough.

Also, I am in process of re-reading "Bang Ukraine" and Roosh mentions there how important is when you are in some local social circle and/or you are not a stranger to girls you are trying to pick up. I positioned myself very well in this aspect in Lviv and it would be extremely poor decision for me to go elsewhere and start from the bottom.

Decision to go for month to Lviv in May/June has absolutely no money sense for me. Its still possible I will do it though and will consider it "investment" for my future plans.

Not really true, rolling solo doing day and night game was a delight for me there, the girls were very open. If your looks are below average then yes social circles will help, also you are Polish so will be able to understand the lingo somewhat?

Post: #49

(04-23-2014 05:48 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:27 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Lviv is nice in Spring/Autumn, though rather dull in summertime as many people are on their holidays.

Odessa is a good idea in June, as the summer clubs will be open, Odessa also has better facilities than Lviv. The girls are hotter in Odessa, but in Lviv they are more receptive(although this doesn't always translate into tangible results)

As someone who was in Odessa last year I can say with some certainty that the fun factor and good ratio's were caused partially by the influx of "foreign" girls and unfortunately that won't be the same this year. I met girls in Arcadia clubs there last year and many of them were either Russian or Belorussian tourists. I doubt with the current political situation and near civil war brewing that this area will be as alive. Your best bet I would say is to go to Lviv and wait for the turmoil in Russian speaking part of Ukraine to settle.

I've been to Lviv numerous times, summer is dull, there is a mass exodus of students to the coast, overseas, or grandma's house.

I'm in Odessa now and putting my money on this summer being fun. As I said before I base that on a predicted extra influx of Ukrainians.

Post: #50

(04-24-2014 07:07 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 05:16 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:27 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  Lviv is nice in Spring/Autumn, though rather dull in summertime as many people are on their holidays.

Odessa is a good idea in June, as the summer clubs will be open, Odessa also has better facilities than Lviv. The girls are hotter in Odessa, but in Lviv they are more receptive(although this doesn't always translate into tangible results)

Thanks for your input.

I am not really interested in Odessa or other places at the moment. Like I mentioned in opening post - I am not a player, I am a below average guy, who is looking for increase his chances on dating market. For me something like "good enough women quality" exists and definitely Lviv is good enough.

Also, I am in process of re-reading "Bang Ukraine" and Roosh mentions there how important is when you are in some local social circle and/or you are not a stranger to girls you are trying to pick up. I positioned myself very well in this aspect in Lviv and it would be extremely poor decision for me to go elsewhere and start from the bottom.

Decision to go for month to Lviv in May/June has absolutely no money sense for me. Its still possible I will do it though and will consider it "investment" for my future plans.

Not really true, rolling solo doing day and night game was a delight for me there, the girls were very open. If your looks are below average then yes social circles will help, also you are Polish so will be able to understand the lingo somewhat?

Yeah, I understand a little bit and sometimes get away with speaking polish (with additions of ukrainian or russian words).

Don't really understand rest of your post though. Whats wrong with me trying to maximize my chances and looking to date in place where I feel I have the highest (doesn't mean they are very high...) chance to succeed? I am not questioning you will continue to have a great time in Crimea, why should I? I just don't see a point of doing it by myself.