Post: #1

I notice there are datasheets for both cities, But Im having a hard time trying to compare the too.
Obviously, Madrid is the capital..So I would assume all kinds of good shit goes down there.

But Barcelona is right on the beach..

Can anyone give a good comparison between the two?

Girls/Prices/Events.

What are the Summer weeknights like?
If Im just passing though from say..Tuesday to Thursday..Whats the chances of actually being able to go out and rage in each city?

Post: #2

Madrid is a frying pan in the summer. Cool city though (culturally).

Prices are about the same. Barcelona can be more in the tourist clubbing traps.

Girls are better in Madrid, but Barcelona has tourist girls that are fly and much easier than Catalan women.

Both cities have places to party every night of the week. But I would say that Madrid has more energy.

Having said this, I would never go to inland Spain in the summer. And I still prefer Barcelona. The vibe just fits me better.

Post: #3

For an international playboy there's just so much more on offer in Barcelona.

There's two exceptions to why you might want to go to Madrid though:

1) You are interested in art. Barcelona has many great cultural offerings but Madrid is one of the top 10 destinations in the world if you want to experience great art.

2) You want to bang a Spanish chick. While Barcelona is the most westernized city the Catalan population is at the same time the most conservative. Madrid is more international and relaxed. The foreigner isn't a much of a "gringo".

Post: #4

Both cities are easy to get notches in Summer if you're not looking especifically for the Spanish flag. Madrid has slightly less tourists.

(04-12-2014 02:43 PM)Laner Wrote:  Having said this, I would never go to inland Spain in the summer.

The advantage of going to mainland Spain in summer is that you can party for a third of the price of Ibiza, and with better logistics as well. One has to be okay with the idea of burning some hard earned cash to visit Ibiza. I agree that the vibe is not comparable, though.

Post: #5

People in Madrid are more open and friendly then their tribal counterparts in Barcelona. They have a saying that in Madrid you will have many friends that come and go and in Barcelona you will only have a few friends and you will have them for life.

Post: #6

Madrid is much better if you want improve your spanish skills

Post: #7

Valencia - best price/value ratio when it comes to major Spanish cities.

Barcelona is typical Mediterranean metropolis, which means lot of fags and immigrants and kebab and counterfeit watches and sunglasses everywhere. Stunningly beautiful city, but then - full of Kebabs, immigrants, pickpockets and faggots. Oh, and Japanese. And tourists.

If you want bang for the buck (since you are only passing) neither is too convenient. Enjoy sightseeing and have some beer, and try to pull some girls. Don't spend too much. Barcelona is one beautiful city, Paris of the Mediterranean.

Post: #8

(04-12-2014 03:27 PM)shotgun Wrote:  Both cities are easy to get notches in Summer if you're not looking especifically for the Spanish flag. Madrid has slightly less tourists.

(04-12-2014 02:43 PM)Laner Wrote:  Having said this, I would never go to inland Spain in the summer.

The advantage of going to mainland Spain in summer is that you can party for a third of the price of Ibiza, and with better logistics as well. One has to be okay with the idea of burning some hard earned cash to visit Ibiza. I agree that the vibe is not comparable, though.

Highlighted. By inland I mean any place with no ocean access. Madrid, Seville, Cordoba, etc. Far too hot for my nordic ass.

Post: #9

First question is, ¿hablas español? Because if you're aiming to local talent and you don't you're probably going to face serious communication problems. Apart from that, where are you from? how old are you? what's your heritage? Are you traveling on the cheap or willing to go all out?

Madrid empties itself in Summer, seems everybody tries to escape from it: Advantages are it's cheaper, it's less crowded so you have more of the city to enjoy and less people to share it with as it's not so touristy as Barcelona. I'd also say that the nightlife is more concentrated and people who stay are more relaxed, more open and less stressed than during the rest of the year. The big con is that many local girls find Summer jobs by the seaside, or they go abroad for language courses, students from other parts of the country also vanish.

Barcelona suffers the same exodus, but you won't even notice because of the amount of foreigners that flock to the city. I love Barcelona, it's one of my favourite places in the world and a great place to live if you can afford the city, unfortunately it's easy to fall in tourist traps if you're not careful. From Barcelona you have easy access to gorgeus Costa Brava and Costa Daurada where you'll only find local girls by accident. I'm not sure Barcelona is the most suitable place to game local girls. It will be harder to focus on local girls with the temptation of the quality, quantity and receptiveness of girls from all over the world you'll find. For me it's one of the easiest place in Europe for daygame (targeting tourists). If you want to go to Barcelona and still go for local girls you'll probably do better in less glamurous neighbour cities like L'hospitalet, Badalona.

Don't believe stereotypes about catholic mentality, Spain is catholic just nominally and in what comes down to holidays and celebrations. Spain is in the avant-guarde of gay rights, abortion, female positive discrimination, etc. If by westernized you mean unfemenine women, bad attitude, not being family oriented, impunity for false rape accusations, etc we have our share of that unfortunately. Besides I'd not recommend any of you to get married here giving our current legal frame. That said, it doesn't mean you cannot have fun.

Keep in mind that in either Madrid or Barcelona and probably anywhere else in Spain being a foreigner is more than a handicap a panty-wetter factor. Girls will be receptive and won't play the tough girl as they like to do with us. This reception doesn't apply to spots infested with tourists like Costa Brava, Costa del Sol, Costa Blanca, the islands or any city with a top international festival (like the running bulls) during that time.

A warning, in their natural environment Spanish girls tend to be very conservative and care a lot for their reputation, though sometimes if it's with a foreigner their rationalization hamster will let them shed their coats. I've seen, heard and known in the biblical meaning who would not bang a Spaniard on the first date (or struggle a little to then let him missionaire her just to be able to say she is not that kind) but would let a foreigner go anal on her or suck his cock dry, all to keep their reputation.

I'd not talk about a "gringo" factor as that in S.A., but there is certainly a guiri attraction. There are for sure girls who have a thing for tall blonde guys with blue eyes; on the other hand you'll also find some who are keen on the mediterranean type. If I'd have to name top ten nationalies for Spanish girls, in no particular order: Italy, Australian (it's really cool and exclusive, guess kiwis would fit here as well), Americans (USA + Canada), Argentina (+Uruguay), Brasil, Germany (+Austria), Netherlands, Switzerland, France, Scandinavians (Finns are honorary Scandinavians). Anyway no matter what ethnic you're from, you'll find your market (or your market will find you xD).

Offtopic: For those brave enough to try something different, a German friend visiting a winery in La Mancha (the region south to Madrid, before arriving to Andalusia) said he had never received so much attention as he did in those 4th tier city in the middle of nowhere (Albacete I think it was). For a more authentic experience as a whole and for those whose main target is Spanish chicks I'd go for second or third tier cities like Valencia, Granada, Zaragoza, Murcia or Seville. The North Coast is worth a try as well but please note girls have a reputation to be difficult. Hands down nicest and more open girls are down in the south and by the Mediterranean Coast.

PS: I can confirm what Vicious has said. I always recommend friends to avoid Ibiza at any cost because while it's true that you can find top class girls from all over Europe it's a sausage fest and pricy. You can get much more bang for your bucks elsewhere. The island run up a reputation during the 60ies and 70ies and now it's getting by on it alone.

Post: #10

Barcelona is much, much better than Madrid. If you go before university lets out Valencia is a great bet. San Sebastien is pretty good too I've heard. In all of my traveling, the guy I met whom I respect the most says Spain is his favourite country, with Valencia at the top as well.

Good advice above about Ibiza. I have some Mexican buddies who go there and drop 2-5k euros per day and even they think it's not for them anymore. I went when I was 21 and obviously had a great time, but it's a much older and super wealthy scene. Unless you're a Russian billionaire, avoid it.

Post: #11

@Don
I speak introductory Spanish. Nowhere near enough to have more than a inductions and conversation/order food. I also don't plan to improve my spanish at this point. With the time I have..I wouldnt be decent by the time I got to Spain.

I want to go to Spain, To take it off my list. See some sites. Experience something new.
Again,Where I normally would travel on weekends..I may be traveling on weekdays.
If Im gonna get laid..Its not gonna crush my ego to bang another foreigner. ( but I wouldnt mind a Spanish flag)

Im in my early/mid 20s so ill traveling relatively cheap.
I have no aspirations to waste money in places like ibiza,mallorca ect..those places arent even on my radar.
That being said. i prefer to split Airbnb with a friend. Ive only stayed in a hostel once, but if thats where the action is..Ill stay
But 100 dollar a night hotels arent my style.

I would be traveling in June.

Post: #12

I'd go so far as to say that you shouldn't even think of Ibiza as Spain. The same way you shouldn't think of Cancun as Mexico. It's a destination, a resort where you party, and fight with throngs of other thirsty dudes for the same scraps.

Post: #13

@Sourcecode Given your age range I'd try Barcelona hostel scene. Never stayed myself but banged tourists who stayed in hostels and the level was just great. Also many guys tell me epic stories about their stay in hostels in Barna. You may as well rent something and visit some hostels to check the activities and events they organize for their guests pretending you are collecting info for some friends who want to come to Barcelona next month or whatever. I once opened a couple of Norwegian girls who were leaving their hostel in Passeig de Gràcia and asked how was it because I was looking for a nice one for a friend, they were so receptive that I offered them to meet later that night for some tapas with a friend of mine and we were banging them during the week they were here.

Madrid won't be a bad idea either, in June it won't be so empty as in July and August, plus it shouldn't be so hot and you may catch the last weeks of the University scene.

It would be a good idea to find a local wingman who can speak English, it would be a deal breaker for meeting local girls, he will have his new american friend as an asset and you will have him to help you avoid tourist traps and break the ice with girls who are not fluent in English and therefore might be shy.

Whatever you choose I warantee you'll have great holidays, just don't stick to the city you go to, reserve some time for excursions and visit some interesting towns and cities nearby, alone or with good company. Enjoy, I'll be looking forward to reading your report.

Post: #14

(04-13-2014 08:38 AM)Vicious Wrote:  I'd go so far as to say that you shouldn't even think of Ibiza as Spain. The same way you shouldn't think of Cancun as Mexico. It's a destination, a resort where you party, and fight with throngs of other thirsty dudes for the same scraps.

The ratios aren't that bad if you consider that most dudes there are either gay or too f*cked up on drugs to do a proper approach. But boy, what a nightmare it is to try and pull a girl back to your place there... Clubs and hotels/hostels all scattered out, girls travelling in groups, parties going on from noon until sunrise...

In the end, Ibiza is only worth it if you're a baller with enough money to counter the terrible logistics. That means getting a room at Ushuaia, plus bottle service so that you get to attract and shore semi-pros.

Post: #15

that doesn't sound like a bad idea. I have a friend in Berlin that runs a hostel. I would stay in his apartment above the hostel, but spend the day downstairs with the hostel people drinking.

I'd tag along with the hostel people
When push came to shove..I just walked a hostel girl upstairs to my apartment.

I honestly don't know how much time I would have.
it's looks like Barcelona is my best bet.for a stay out about 4 days.
I probably won't stay longer than that to go before and the country

Post: #16

I got a PM from a forum member and asked for his permission to answer in case the info can be useful for somebody else.

Don Juan,

I've been following your posts on Spain for a little while and like others I wish you'd post more often. I'm going to Spain (Madrid, Pamplona, and Barcelona) for a couple of weeks in July as part of a bigger Europe/SE Asia trip and was hoping you could offer some advice. I've just recently discovered game and have been working at expanding my toolset but this trip was planned before I was converted so I'm working within some predefined dates and lodging situations. I'll be staying with a friend (white guy in grad school at IE) in Madrid for the 3-4 nights i'm there and then with people he knows in Pamplona for running of the bulls for 2 nights before going to Barcelona for 3 nights where I'll be in a mix of hostels and upper but not high end hotels.

Quote:I'm 6'3" (193cm) 225lbs in athletic but not lean shape from Southern California (strong with good musculature but not really lean though i'm working on it). I'm a former fatass who's been working on my body for a few years with moderate success though i still harbor some of the confidence issues associated with that phase of my life, i am getting better though (which was the primary focus of this trip in the first place; seeing the world and developing myself). I'm intelligent, sociable though generally an introvert (INTJ/ENTJ) who can fake extroversion quite well. I would consider myself to be a good conversationalist but limited to English at the moment. My experience with women is limited to several medium term relationships and i generally consider myself a relationship person, and while i don't dislike that aspect of myself i'm looking to expand my toolset if you know what i mean. What advice can you give someone like me to have the most success with women from your country?

My advice is that you get acquainted with the terrain and the targets. It is useful when it's your first time in the place and you don't know what you can expect from it. For that I go on youtube and look for any kind of videos that let me see the scenary, and even what average local girl looks like, dress like, moves like... and even what kind of foreign girls are available. For that you can use also the social networks, check the profiles of universities, cafes, discos, girly shops...

For example, for Madrid daygame: Calle Preciados, Plaza del Sol, Gran Vía, Plaza Mayor... I also got awesome results nearby art museums like Museo del Prado, Museo Reina Sofía and to less extent Museo Thyssen-Bornemisza (all in Paseo del Prado). For some reason I'll never understand girls love to go to the gay district.

To check the ecosystem and fauna you can check the videos of a PUA called Álvaro Reyes in youtube he has plenty of videos in those locations I mentioned above.

In Barcelona I focus on foreigners so can't provide much info about gaming local talent. Try what I said, wherever you stay check the girls at hostels. For daygame you can try Plaça Catalunya (that's the official meeting point in the city and juncton for the metropolitan area transport network... you'll notice people there waiting outside the Metro, Rodalies and FGC exits there people). You can also try major touristic spots like Maremagnum, Mercat de la Boquería, Sagrada Familia, Parc Güell, Parc de la Ciutadella, Casa Batlló, La Pedrera, Pla de la Seu/Cathedral, Catedral del Mar, Magic Fountain of Montjuïc night show, El Corge Inglés shopping centres are a magnet for FSU girls. For local girls you might try Gràcia but it's full of hippies/hipsters, it's an "alternative" disctrict. If you are there still in Mid August check the "Festa Major de Gràcia".

For Pamplona: Australian girls, Australian girls, Australian girls. Hands down the most open, easiest, and craziest. Navarre, Basque and generally speaking northern Spanish girls have run up a reputation to be difficult to approach and unfriendly, specially when they are at home at the sight of their cuadrilla (group of male and female friends who stick together from teenage to elderly years). One last advice... don't drink and run. Of course no drugs and not recording with your mobile or camera while you're running. Drunk foreigners are more dangerous than bulls themselves.

Hope it helps.

Post: #17

+1 to you good sir.

Thanks for the detailed (very detailed) advice. I'm looking forward to putting it to good use this summer. Hopefully I'll have a successful trip report to share when I get back. Do you have any suggestions for night game spots in Madrid or Barcelona by the way? I'm definitely going to be hitting up the museums and squares you mentioned for day game action.

Post: #18

(04-15-2014 11:13 AM)HungWeiLo Wrote:  +1 to you good sir.

Thanks for the detailed (very detailed) advice. I'm looking forward to putting it to good use this summer. Hopefully I'll have a successful trip report to share when I get back. Do you have any suggestions for night game spots in Madrid or Barcelona by the way? I'm definitely going to be hitting up the museums and squares you mentioned for day game action.

Your friend who is studying there will be of much more help for nightlife tips, you can check any site like tilllate.es and check the pictures till you find what you're looking for.

One last tip, find yourself a good alibi to be here; for example your friend is studying already here and he talked you into coming over for a master's degree at IE, ESADE, ESIC... those business schools have a very good reputation. The idea of a boyfriend from the USA who is studying in one of the most important business schools of Europe will make them wet as October

Post: #19

<quote>One last tip, find yourself a good alibi to be here; for example your friend is studying already here and he talked you into coming over for a master's degree at IE, ESADE, ESIC... those business schools have a very good reputation. The idea of a boyfriend from the USA who is studying in one of the most important business schools of Europe will make them wet as October </quote>
Good call. I was going to use that anyway after reading about a reason to be wherever you are for hamster purposes. I'm actually going to evaluate it anyway since it's one of my options I'm looking at as it is when i finish my GMAT. By the way, "wet as October" must be one of my favorite lines I've heard in awhile.

Post: #20

Can anyone provide a good data sheet of specific venues (bars, indie cafes, dance clubs etc) in Madrid and Barcelona? I am planning a trip to Spain sometime in Feb or March, aiming to spend 3-4 days in each city and want to really get into the breadth of the nightlife of both. I've never been to Barcelona and the last time I was in Madrid I was underage.

I am into the dive bar/indie cafe/hipster scene and Salsa/Latin dancing; heard the Madrid Malasaña district is pretty bangin'. I'm early-30s, white American, passable Castellano, will be with a local friend in Madrid.. I'd prefer to meet hot, dark-haired Spaniard women, but I'm flexible.

Post: #21

(01-09-2015 03:43 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  Can anyone provide a good data sheet of specific venues (bars, indie cafes, dance clubs etc) in Madrid and Barcelona? I am planning a trip to Spain sometime in Feb or March, aiming to spend 3-4 days in each city and want to really get into the breadth of the nightlife of both. I've never been to Barcelona and the last time I was in Madrid I was underage.

I am into the dive bar/indie cafe/hipster scene and Salsa/Latin dancing; heard the Madrid Malasaña district is pretty bangin'. I'm early-30s, white American, passable Castellano, will be with a local friend in Madrid.. I'd prefer to meet hot, dark-haired Spaniard women, but I'm flexible.

Ton of info on the forum on Barcelona, try the search feature.

Razzmattazz and Sala Apolo are the two most famous clubs in BCN that edge towards hipster. If you like big clubs I really enjoyed Razzmattazz, not sure what it was, but I felt like I couldn't lose in that place.

If you're into more quiet bars the Gracia area has a ton of that. I can't remember any big spots bumping latin nights but do recall a couple small neighborhood spots in Gracia that had Salsa nights.