Post: #1

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/social-pressures-f...kAorbQtDMD

Quote:- Men want virgin brides -

Since the 1950s, Tunisia has been considered the most progressive country in the Arab world in terms of women's rights, and politicians enshrined gender equality in the new constitution adopted in January.

Demographic changes have reinforced personal freedoms, with sex outside marriage increasingly common and more people opting to marry later.

But conservative attitudes persist, and for many Tunisian men marrying a virgin remains a priority, hence the rising demand for hymen restorations.

For Tarek Belhadj Mohamed [Troll King: mangina alert, mangina alert ], a sociologist, such male attitudes reflect the "hypocrisy" of Tunisian society, which he said refuses to recognise the change in behaviour of a large section of the population.

Research by psychoanalyst Nedra Ben Smail indiindicates that just five percent of Tunisian young women are not worried about losing their virginity before marriage, while more than 75 percent of women appearing to be virgins on their wedding night have had the operation.

"The Tunisian way of life seems modern and open, but the reality is different: our society and even our ruling elite is in theory tolerant on the question of virginity, but when it affects them personally, virginity is a primordial condition for marriage," said Belhadj Mohamed.

"Virginity certifies a woman's validity in our society where her purpose is essentially sexual and reproductive, while men have to 'train' so that they are sexually mature when they get married," he argued.

He called the hymen operation a form of "discrimination towards women".

- Lying under pressure -

Salima agrees, despite having consented to the operation herself, saying she was forced into it by "the hypocrisy of men and of our society". [Troll King: Lol, the hamster is strong in this one]

The young woman decided one day that she would be honest with her boyfriend, whom she had not slept with, and told him she was not a virgin. [Troll King: Alpha Fux and Beta Bux ]

"But as soon as he knew, he refused to marry and did everything he could to get me into his bed. That's the way Tunisian men think. A woman who has had sex before marriage is just a slut and can't be a good mother!" [Troll King: So fucking true. Glad these Tunisian men have their shit together]

Another young woman, Sabra, believes unmarried women should have the right to a sex life just like the men, and that virginity is never a guarantee of fidelity.

But the 27-year-old also chose to lie and yield to social pressures, rather than run the risk of remaining single.

"If I had told my husband that I wasn't a virgin, he would never have agreed to marry me. And it's the same for many women in Tunisia."

Post: #2

Role reversal:

Social pressures in [fill in the blank country] force men to fake wealth

"If I had told my wife that I wasn't a millionaire/celebrity/musician/bartender, she would have never agreed to marry me. And it is the same for many men in [fill in the blank country]."

Post: #3

At least the comments give us hope!

Post: #4

Troll King living up to his name.

Post: #5

(04-09-2014 03:50 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  Troll King living up to his name.

Thanks. I think.

I have actually been around in the manosphere for awhile. I used to comment on the spearhead a lot and had my own blog for awhile, before blogger deleted it for being too extreme in my views and allegedly (re: didn't fuckin happen...what happened was that one of the feminist bloggers I was making fun of ended up working at google) violating their TOS.

I chose my handle not to actually troll so much but because before I found the sphere and took the red pill I went around and started trying to talk about men's issues on feminist blogs, thinking they might be open to a discussion due to being raised by a radfem who used to run a NOW chapter, and that didn't end well. After being banned from over 30 blogs on multiple accounts on each blog I found a few MRA/PUA sites. Having been called a troll so many times, and expecting the same from the first sites I registered at like the spearhead, I chose my handle. In truth, I am a really nice guy. I just hate feminists. Well, I should probably put this in the intro thread but since I finally got around to creating this account I figured I would go ahead and put this here.

Post: #6

Love the handle. Troll on.

Post: #7

(04-09-2014 01:10 PM)Troll King Wrote:  A woman who has had sex before marriage is just a slut and can't be a good mother!" [Troll King: So fucking true. Glad these Tunisian men have their shit together]

You realize there is a fine line between having sex outside marriage and being a slut? On manosphere we criticize promiscuous slutty whorish cuntish bitchy behaviour of women, that doesn't mean women should not be allowed to fuck or date or even touch or uncover their heads (yes, these are what Islam mandate) just because a prophet came up with a sick idea 1400 years ago that anything that might tempt a man by any means must be forbidden and punished by death. There is also a fine line between the community beliefs in the manosphere that are tilted towards the traditional conservativeness and those islamic radicals that execute rape victim women because they lost their 'honor'.

Anyway, calling Tunusian women sluts is a bit too extreme. Trust me they suffer enough in their oppressing Islamic society.

Post: #8

Headline should be 'Slutty past comes back to haunt Tunisian brides.'

Post: #9

Troll King Wrote:I have actually been around in the manosphere for awhile. I used to comment on the spearhead a lot and had my own blog for awhile, before blogger deleted it for being too extreme in my views and allegedly (re: didn't fuckin happen...what happened was that one of the feminist bloggers I was making fun of ended up working at google) violating their TOS.

I remember you. You always had excellent posts.

Post: #10

(04-09-2014 05:21 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 01:10 PM)Troll King Wrote:  A woman who has had sex before marriage is just a slut and can't be a good mother!" [Troll King: So fucking true. Glad these Tunisian men have their shit together]

You realize there is a fine line between having sex outside marriage and being a slut? On manosphere we criticize promiscuous slutty whorish cuntish bitchy behaviour of women, that doesn't mean women should not be allowed to fuck or date or even touch or uncover their heads (yes, these are what Islam mandate) just because a prophet came up with a sick idea 1400 years ago that anything that might tempt a man by any means must be forbidden and punished by death. There is also a fine line between the community beliefs in the manosphere that are tilted towards the traditional conservativeness and those islamic radicals that execute rape victim women because they lost their 'honor'.

Anyway, calling Tunusian women sluts is a bit too extreme. Trust me they suffer enough in their oppressing Islamic society.

Yes, I know there is a difference between having sex outside of marriage and being a slut. Personally, I don't even really consider a woman a slut if she has a high N. Or at least I don't think she is a slut in a bad way. I actually kinda like sluts. They are fun and easy, assuming they are hot. What I disdain, however, are nasty sluts or slags. I don't really care if a woman hooks up with a different guy every month from the time she is 16 onward. I wouldn't marry her cause I would consider her a slut.

And well, MARRIAGE IS RETIREMENT FOR WOMEN!!!111!!!

I will never get married. That aside. I do like sluts. What I consider a slag or a bad type of slut, are the types of women who do nasty and medically dangerous and devious shit. Like one girl I knew. I never tapped it but after I found out about her sluttery I lost all interest.

See, this one girl, who on the surface came across as a goody two-shoes pretty chick in HS, like to hook up with multiple guys in a row bareback in the same night. She would tell my gf at the time about how she blew the bouncer and then went back to her date and made out with the date while still having the bouncers cum in her mouth.

That is fucking disgusting. Maybe some guys get off on being snowballed unknowingly through some cuckold fetish or something but that is the type of behavior that I consider slutty(again in the bad and not good way).

Anyways. I do think that women need to CHOOSE which side they want to be on. I think most western men don't care about numbers to a large degree when considering marriage potential, but they really should. Even myself, I would have no problem letting a girl into my life on a LTR level if she had a modest N and it wasn't sluttery(good or bad) but instead just a series of serial monogamous relationships. Still doesn't look good for the future long term investment, but then again there is always another younger, tighter, and 50 pounds lighter model around the corner. Oh, and MARRIAGE IS RETIREMENT FOR WOMEN! Never Marry.

As far as the rest goes. I don't really know what you're talking about. Tunisia isn't Afghanistan, it is one of the most progressive Islamic countries behind Turkey. Hell, they aren't even Saudi Arabia and I know from experience that most of the shit the west talks about in relation to places like Saudi Arabia is largely bullshit and based on western imperialism. The same is even more true in most other Arab countries.

I know, because I lived in the middle east during middle and high school. Hell, native Arab women are one of the biggest reasons I am the way I am. As a young'in I chalked up my observations to culture shock and religious differences. Then I went and studied over there in college and I saw something amazing. I could compare and contrast all the upper class, many from Harvard and Yale and with really rich parents, girls from America with the upper class Arab women, who even in Saudi Arabia make up a larger percentage of college admissions, and I saw that Arab women are not that different than Americunts. Except in one area.

They had this aura about them that was intoxicating. I was dating this hot 17 yr old econ and poly sci student who spoke 3 languages while also dating a Olympic gymnast(she had a card signed from the president and cultural minister saying that she didn't have a hymen due to gymnastics but was a virgin..lololol) and at the same time was dating a hostess at a casino. All of them just radiated this thing that I could describe or even define but I saw lacking in western women. It was great being around these intelligent and genuinely FEMININE women. Then I came back to America and looked around at the sorostitutes hanging around me and my room mates parties and apts and became somewhat sickened by them. Don't get me wrong. I still hit em, but marry? NOPE and NOPE!

So, in conclusion. NO hard feelings bro. But get out and experience the world for yourself instead of letting progressive and socon feminists color your world view. I am not saying that it is perfect in the middle east, lol. It is probably one of the hardest places to hook up in unless you have Saudi level money but if you are looking for a wife one of the more secular areas wouldn't be bad.

As far as all the other stuff your going on about in Islam. Well, you do realize there are a lot of them right? The ones that commit honor killings and what not are in the same vein as the Christians who boycott funerals due to gay marriage. Hell, most of the middle east is incredibly Americanized. All the men have the same 5 types of hair cuts and they are all taken from pics of Elvis. Lol. Not even joking.

Before I sign off. Here's another thing to ponder. I have dated and fucked women who wear the hijab. Most do it for one of several reasons. It is a way to subtly flirt with men. In the west women unbutton a few buttons on their blouse and press their shoulders together and lean in so the man they are interested in gets a shot of cleavage. Over there in their culture hair is seen as one of the most sexually attractive feminine features. The same is true of here in America, just look at shampoo and conditioner commercials and realize all the models have long hair and wave it around to show off. Anyways, what I found out is that the girls who veil will slowly start messing with their hijab until a sizable amount of their hair line is showing. Then they will get a little blushy and giggly and point out how their hijab is falling off and apologize for having to fix it. Then they unwrap their hair and fling it about and then quickly redo their hijab. It is a social way of showing off without having to show skin.

Another reason they veil. Many are somewhat poor and their live in a desert region. By just wrapping their hair up they don't have to spend as much money on hair product. Another reason, to be honest is to say fuck you to America and western culture. In the 90s 80%+ of the women I saw didn't veil. After 9/11 when I went back in the mid 00's It was about 60%. Many of them did it as a way of showing solidarity to their culture. Anyways, that is about all the time I have for that now. If you want to talk about Arab and Muslim culture we can, but whatever.

Post: #11

Quote:"But as soon as he knew, he refused to marry and did everything he could to get me into his bed. That's the way Tunisian men think. A woman who has had sex before marriage is just a slut and can't be a good mother!" [Troll King: So fucking true. Glad these Tunisian men have their shit together]

I LOVE this dude! He couldn't marry her, but didn't cut of his nose to spite his face. He still wanted to hit that pussy, and make sure she had to have a SECOND surgery so she could try to sell it to the next chump...hahaha!

Post: #12

I think this is just another example of the difference between men's and women's lies.
When women lie, they lie BIG. All or nothing kind of lies.
The hymen surgery is just addendum to push-up bras and spanx. edit, and makeup.

Post: #13

(04-09-2014 05:46 PM)JDresden Wrote:  

Troll King Wrote:I have actually been around in the manosphere for awhile. I used to comment on the spearhead a lot and had my own blog for awhile, before blogger deleted it for being too extreme in my views and allegedly (re: didn't fuckin happen...what happened was that one of the feminist bloggers I was making fun of ended up working at google) violating their TOS.

I remember you. You always had excellent posts.

Thanks. I've been meaning to create an account here forever but life finds a way.

Post: #14

(04-09-2014 04:55 PM)Troll King Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 03:50 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  Troll King living up to his name.

Thanks. I think.

It wasn't a compliment.

(04-09-2014 04:55 PM)Troll King Wrote:  In truth, I am a really nice guy. I just hate feminists.

In that case I will ask you to consider something.

Having the concept of "women as sluts" in your head is basically you just telling yourself a fear based story which is rooted in fear of being cuckolded into raising another man's child.

The cuckold story that men tell themselves is the root of all slut shaming.

It is one that has passed into irrelevance and obscurity thanks to the invention of DNA based paternity testing technology which determines paternity with greater than 99.9% accuracy. A level of accuracy that cannot be matched by slut shaming and trying to force women to behave a certain way.

Feminists (or at least a lot of them) are also telling themselves a fear story. This time about "the patriarchy".

In that sense you are both doing exactly the same thing - you are both telling yourself a fear story. If you hate feminists why are you doing the same thing as them?

When you tell yourself a fear story you claiming victim status.

I have never met anyone truly skilful with women who also is busy telling himself fear stories and claiming victim status.

Sure I have met guys who can get notches and pump and dump this way but no more than that so they are forever having to return to square one and start all over again. That's a beginner level skill-set.

Why claim victim status? Why not focus on mastery instead?

Post: #15

Fuck man. How does a dude learn hymen game? I see all these hot Arab girls and can't figure out how to swoop. You see them eye fuck, not sure if half of them are low key hoes, or just thirsty. I've only been with Christian Arabs, yeah... and I boned a crazy muslim Somali girl once after her Friday prayers lol thats it though. Its on my bucket list, just can't figure out how to make it happen.

For the players plowing through these broads in Tunisia, life must be good.

Post: #16

(04-10-2014 02:02 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 04:55 PM)Troll King Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 03:50 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  Troll King living up to his name.

Thanks. I think.

It wasn't a compliment.

(04-09-2014 04:55 PM)Troll King Wrote:  In truth, I am a really nice guy. I just hate feminists.

In that case I will ask you to consider something.

Having the concept of "women as sluts" in your head is basically you just telling yourself a fear based story which is rooted in fear of being cuckolded into raising another man's child.

The cuckold story that men tell themselves is the root of all slut shaming.

It is one that has passed into irrelevance and obscurity thanks to the invention of DNA based paternity testing technology which determines paternity with greater than 99.9% accuracy. A level of accuracy that cannot be matched by slut shaming and trying to force women to behave a certain way.

Feminists (or at least a lot of them) are also telling themselves a fear story. This time about "the patriarchy".

In that sense you are both doing exactly the same thing - you are both telling yourself a fear story. If you hate feminists why are you doing the same thing as them?

When you tell yourself a fear story you claiming victim status.

I have never met anyone truly skilful with women who also is busy telling himself fear stories and claiming victim status.

Sure I have met guys who can get notches and pump and dump this way but no more than that so they are forever having to return to square one and start all over again. That's a beginner level skill-set.

Why claim victim status? Why not focus on mastery instead?

A woman's quality objectively drops the more promiscuous she gets (I consider 10+ notches promiscuous). She loses her ability to connect with another man on a deeper level than being choked in doggy style, she loses her ability to care and feel love for a man, she loses her femininity to the degree that she won't even heat a soup for you in microwave, she becomes emotionally unavailable and sexually available to every man she meets. She can't be trusted with feelings, with money, with commitment, with anything. She becomes entitled, she gets cocky, she slacks off and stops taking care of herself and her body, she stops her intellectual and character-wise self improvement because she doesn't need them to attract more men (she only needs to open her legs), in short she stops being a woman and turns into a cock-riding monster the more sexual partners she has. As you see, there is not even the slightest moral or religious arguement in my words, only pragmatical. And while a lot of men don't mind these as long as they keep receiving the regular pussy from sluts, a man who seeks quality and femininity in women tends to avoid slutty ones.

With that said, however, in Troll King's mindset, sex out of wedlock = being a despicable slut. And although he didn't bother elaborating his point of view, I will take a wild guess and say his concern is moral, which makes his words very subjective and controversial.

Personally, my ideal woman should have around 2 unsatisfying sexual partners before me, both of them her committed boyfriends. The number is so low that she will keep her feminine core and avoid having the characteristics I've mentioned above. It's also so high that when she finally ends up with me, she won't be wondering if she can do better or how the grass feels in the neighbor's yard. Her mind will be at ease.

But that's just me.

Post: #17

So you want someone who is bad in bed and has a low sex drive?

Got it.

Post: #18

(04-10-2014 05:22 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  So you want someone who is bad in bed and has a low sex drive?

Got it.

I said 2 partners, not having sex 2 times in her life. Low sex drive has nothing to do with low number of partners. She can fuck her bf 3 times a day, that doesnt stop her from being horny or being good in bed.

Post: #19

(04-10-2014 05:22 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  So you want someone who is bad in bed and has a low sex drive?

Got it.

You call him out on extremes and then pull the same shit.. Just saying. We all know you have an agenda to drive(your ads) but still...

Post: #20

(04-10-2014 05:36 PM)BiggNastee Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 05:22 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  So you want someone who is bad in bed and has a low sex drive?

Got it.

You call him out on extremes and then pull the same shit.. Just saying. We all know you have an agenda to drive(your ads) but still...

Post: #21

It is not extreme at all to want a virgin bride if you want to get married to have kids and build a family. It is just smart. This is a fact pointed out repeatedly by divorce rates compared to previous sexually partners the woman has had.

Supporting otherwise is just ego rationaliztion imo. A special snowflake that banged 5 guys up through hs/college isn't nearly as good of a bet as a virgin on average is for marriage and family. Let alone 10+ dicks.

Post: #22

(04-10-2014 03:18 PM)kosko Wrote:  Fuck man. How does a dude learn hymen game? I see all these hot Arab girls and can't figure out how to swoop. You see them eye fuck, not sure if half of them are low key hoes, or just thirsty. I've only been with Christian Arabs, yeah... and I boned a crazy muslim Somali girl once after her Friday prayers lol thats it though. Its on my bucket list, just can't figure out how to make it happen.

For the players plowing through these broads in Tunisia, life must be good.

Many Muslim women in Toronto (and a few other Canadian cities) are pretty open to premarital sex. In the Arab world the ratio to men and women and social pressure screws things up. Not the case here.

Arabs however are a much harder nut to crack than south Asian and African Muslims.

Personally I don't envy Arab society in the least. The arrangement I have here in the West trumps this golden pussy syndrome that seems to permeate much of the socially conservative East.

Post: #23

Roll back those odometers!

Post: #24

(04-10-2014 05:36 PM)BiggNastee Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 05:22 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  So you want someone who is bad in bed and has a low sex drive?

Got it.

You call him out on extremes and then pull the same shit.. Just saying. We all know you have an agenda to drive(your ads) but still...

Define "same shit"

Post: #25

(04-11-2014 08:23 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 03:18 PM)kosko Wrote:  Fuck man. How does a dude learn hymen game? I see all these hot Arab girls and can't figure out how to swoop. You see them eye fuck, not sure if half of them are low key hoes, or just thirsty. I've only been with Christian Arabs, yeah... and I boned a crazy muslim Somali girl once after her Friday prayers lol thats it though. Its on my bucket list, just can't figure out how to make it happen.

For the players plowing through these broads in Tunisia, life must be good.

Many Muslim women in Toronto (and a few other Canadian cities) are pretty open to premarital sex. In the Arab world the ratio to men and women and social pressure screws things up. Not the case here.

Arabs however are a much harder nut to crack than south Asian and African Muslims.

Personally I don't envy Arab society in the least. The arrangement I have here in the West trumps this golden pussy syndrome that seems to permeate much of the socially conservative East.

Exactly. Plus, seems as though the Chinese have already cornered that market. The Beauty of Artificial Virginity

Quote:The Artificial Virginity Hymen kit, distributed by the Chinese company Gigimo, costs about $30. It is intended to help newly married women fool their husbands into believing they are virgins—culturally important in a conservative Middle East where sex before marriage is considered by many to be illicit. The product leaks a blood-like substance when inserted and broken. Gigimo advertises shipping to every Arab country.

Quote:Artificial Virginity Hymen is created from Kyoto, Japan at 1993. it was first introduced to the locals, then it gets famous and spread to Thailand at 1995 and now available in South East Asia, South Asia and in the Middle East countries. It is mainly made of natural albumin, medical use inflation element and water-soluble base medicinal preparation which have no side effect. Insert this artificial hymen into your vagina carefully. It will expand a little and make you feel tight. When your lover penetrate, it will ooze out a liquid that look like blood not too much but just the right amount. Add in a few moans and groan, you will pass through undetectable.

LOL here come the fatwas.