Post: #26

Another wedding, another version of The Rains of Castamere.

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(04-13-2014 05:44 PM)bojangles Wrote:  Now I need to know, tell me hahaha

Here's what's been theorized...

********Massive Spoilers -Click With Caution (you were warned)********

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Just finished a storm of swords. All i can say is little finger is one wise deceiving basterd

Post: #30

Mehh, still a tame wedding by Dothraki standards....

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(04-14-2014 04:07 AM)KC4 Wrote:  Just finished a storm of swords. All i can say is little finger is one wise deceiving basterd

He's my favorite "scheming guy who works in the shadows" kind of character, just simply amazing.

(04-13-2014 05:44 PM)bojangles Wrote:  Now I need to know, tell me hahaha

Well...to be fair, the Spoiler isn't THAT important. . .I mean it is but. . .

It's more of the HOW and WHY of the spoiler.

This why I think Martin is as red pill as many of the guys on the forum. . .in fact I wouldn't be suprised if he was a forum member himself.

Also this is why not many people have really "talked about figuring it out. Mostly because they dont have the red pill tendencies to even get close to the spoiler, and wouldn't understand the why's and hows, and what Martin was really trying to say about women in general on the sly. . .(which is why people haven't paid much attention to it as most people are under the beta/feminist paradigm)

Basically, once you see it, you'll pretty much have a "Game recognize game" moment. . .made all the bit sweeter when you figure it out for yourself. . .

So much so that even the link that was posted doesn't get into the meat of why that spoiler is a HUGE Nod to Red pill philosophy.

Pretty much, once I figured that out, My respect for this guy Skyrocketed! Just because you are red pill, doesn't mean that you have to shout it to the world

If you want to go on the path to understanding it, look up the Lore vids on youtube.

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I did a long write-up on this a while back:
http://gainweightjournal.com/honor-moral...eal-world/

I am a classic nice guy and I have trouble seeing the bad intentions of other people. I especially like being altruistic and helping people for some reason, which has turned around to bite me in the ass very often. So that is something I am struggling with. However I believe that there has to be some sort of a balance between being altruistic, honor and selfishness. I don't want to live in a world full of Littlefingers...

Post: #33

More theoretical spoilers

We can't really call any of these spoilers because none of it has been explicitly said in any of the books or the show.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon...anna_Stark

The more I think about it, I am guessing the last 2 books will be about a thousand pages each again because there is so much to wrap up.

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Read some of the big established threads on the westeros.org forums. Those people have really broken everything down. It is really good writing when all the clues are in the text. No surprise twists.

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(04-14-2014 05:26 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  Read some of the big established threads on the westeros.org forums. Those people have really broken everything down. It is really good writing when all the clues are in the text. No surprise twists.

That and theres an interview that the two creators made where they mentioned that GRMM tested them on the spoiler before he allowed them to work on the show. . . .He was trying to see if they were smart enough to figure out what Martin was trying to say and why he put that in.

I didnt know there were forums dedicated to breaking it down, It just seemed like common red pill sense to me.

Not to mention that major events in the show that have already happened so far server as a lot of foreshadowing. . .and dare I say Motif building to this as well.

Personally I don't think he'll "Spell it out" for the audience for the reasons I mentioned in the last post. He may bring up the spoiler and it may tie in to the end of the story. . .but not the hows and whys(I'd be VERY suprised if he explained all of that in some infodump, rather letting the viewer/reader figure it out.). Even if he didn't mention it every again and left it as a question (I highly doubt he'd do that) You can figure it out just based off of what you've sene so far and finding the background lore of the story thats on the net (youtube specifically) Thing is, you gotta ask the right questions, or else you wouldn't know what to look for.

Basically, with a little common sense, a little research, and paying attention to the overall themes of the story, you can figure out where it's going and, more importantly, what GRMM is trying to say (Hint: it's ALL red pill philosophy my friend.)

Post: #36

LOL ^^eradicator that's what was alluded to earlier

I like Oberyn in the Show, fucking hell what a twat he is

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(04-14-2014 06:34 PM)bojangles Wrote:  LOL ^^eradicator that's what was alluded to earlier

I like Oberyn in the Show, fucking hell what a twat he is

can't wait for him to fuck up the mountain

Post: #38

(04-14-2014 05:57 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  Basically, with a little common sense, a little research, and paying attention to the overall themes of the story, you can figure out where it's going and, more importantly, what GRMM is trying to say (Hint: it's ALL red pill philosophy my friend.)

He turns a lot of fantasy conventions and illusions of chivalry right on its stupid nerd head.

Not to mention a lot of stuff from Game of Thrones is pulled directly from history. It's essentially a beefed up version of the War of the Roses with a little mongol/golden horde stuff thrown in.

Post: #39

so my question is - and bear with me, because I have not read the book - but why does everybody want westeros so much? I mean, from what I gather, there is a bigger world in the GOT universe than just westeros. Essos is there, right? And there are all those free cities with nice things, like exotic shit and slaves and magical peole and women. What's the big deal about westeros? yeah, the south seems nice, but up north it's just a bunch of angry dudes with beards, snow, wildlings, dire wolves, the wall, and the others. Westeros seems like a shitty place - at least portrayed in the show - as compared to essos. Also, why aren't there kingdoms in the east? Other than free cities, how come nobody has united the east and ruled them in an empire?

Post: #40

They are more like city states in the east. They lack paved roads for one thing in the far east. The kingsroad makes travel in westeros relatively easy. With roads comes trade. With trade comes money.

One of the great eastern empires was Valyria but it vanished with the Doom of Valyria. Valyrians were the only ones who could make Valyrian steel swords. One of the things that was never explained in the books was what happened to Valyria.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Doom_of_Valyria

As for why aren't there more conquerors trying to unite the Free cities? Look at Danaerys and all of the problems she has: she can overthrow a government but when she leaves, everything turns to shit again.

Post: #41

Yeah big desert, and Dothraki raiders make a lot of Essos very dangerous. The dragonriders of Valyria were able to keep most of it in check, but as said above, one of the biggest mysteries is what exactly happened during the doom of Valyria. I think it will be revealed in the 6th book and will have something to do with how dragons can be killed/ Dany defeated or w/e.

[It had something to do with the Faceless Men conspiring to get their freedom because they were Valyrian slaves, and blew up the mines or something.]

Westeros is more fertile and stable. But it is more a sense of entitlement and ancestral holdings that is driving the quest for the Westerosi throne. In one was Westeros is the worst place to have as Winter has come, and the Others will conquer Westeros first.

Post: #42

The Faceless Men are dangerous, I forgot what happens with the Iron Bank and the Kingdom's debt

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(04-15-2014 05:13 PM)bojangles Wrote:  The Faceless Men are dangerous, I forgot what happens with the Iron Bank and the Kingdom's debt

On the show, they really just sped all of that up in the last episode. The iron bank agrees to lend stannis money for troops and an army and ships if he agrees to pay back the kingdom's debts after retaking the throne.

In the books, this has not even happened yet, but apparently it does in book 6.

I honestly thought he was going to ask for a loan, and the iron bank would refuse for now.

In the books, I thought it was jon snow's idea to have stannis borrow from the iron bank to retake the north and then kings landing, on the show, it is Davos' idea. Fine with me.

Not everything is adding up in terms of time(It seems like mance has been marching on castle black for years now, in the books, Stannis sails up to help beat them back, but right now he is on the other side of the world in bravos)

but I guess on the show they are basically make it sound like stannis has no army at this time, so he had to go to the iron bank to get the army to first beat mance, then fight ramsey and roose and then try to take kings landing.

The only problem with this, is that now that stannis has a big army on the show again, wouldn't he just try to attack kings landing again?

I guess Davos will basically have to sell him on the idea that in order to save the kingdoms, he needs to go north and help the nights watch rather than invade Kings landing again

Post: #45

Naa, Jon Snow doesn't tell him about the IB in the books. In book 4, Tycho Nestoris, an IB envoy, comes to Cersei's court to collect all debts. She refuses, and so they freeze any further loans. The envoy then goes to the wall LOOKING for Stannis. Jon Snow brokers a loan for the Night's Watch, and then tells the guy that Stannis has gone south to fight the Boltons. In the book 6 realeased chapter, the guy meets up with Stannis and signs the contract.

So the show storyline is essentially getting rid of that envoy character I think, but it doesn't chance the events too much. Stannis will go North to the wall because it is for the realm, a higher goal. He can not go to Kings Landing, no matter how large an army he has, out of principle.

Post: #46

Game of thrones isn't just red pill it is fucking scarlet pill.

Khal Drogo fucks it all up by following Danareus advice about saving the old witch women and dies.

Ned Stark fucks it all up by pitying Cersei instead of snitching to Robert.

Robb Stark fucks it all up by getting oneitis for that bitch and betraying his oath and dies.

Robert Stark gets killed by bitch Cersei.

Tyrion is a dumb ass for falling in love with a prostitute, she cheats on him with his father. Fails to bang Sansa on the wedding night.

Jaime loses his hand trying to save the dyke Brienne.

Stannis is controlled by a Melisandre (she is a 5).

Women are the cause of a lot of problems in Westeros and giving them power is a fatal mistake. I think the bitches in the series are more alpha than the men. They run shit. Tywin is pretty fucking alpha but even he dies over a bitch.

Post: #47

I feel one of the most 'alpha' characters is Bronn. The Bronn in the books, not the 'badass' caricature on the show(even though I enjoy him as well).

Post: #48

Well the Red Wedding and the Purple Wedding just proves to me that getting married is a bad idea.

By the way how do you put a picture on your avatar?

Post: #49

^^ User CP (on the top of the page), then "Change Avatar" on the left hand menu.

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(05-14-2014 12:05 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  ^^ User CP (on the top of the page), then "Change Avatar" on the left hand menu.

how do u post pics in your post?