Post: #1

Hi my fellows,

I am getting sick and tired of women who flake. I supposed to date 2 women today, one in the morning and one in the evening.

The one in the morning flaked 1 minute before we supposed to meet. We had planned to meet at the fitness gym, but she told me that her bike tire had no air in it so she couldn't come.

The second one I messaged at 12 o'clock via Whatsapp to set the time(she told me yesterday that we will discuss the exactly time tomorrow), she has been on whatsapp since then but didn't reply(I thank the last seen function Whatsapp has).

Now, 1 flake a day is already terrible and annoying, but I have been flaked two times now in 1 day. I'm very angry but I know being emotional will not work on these flakers.

How do you guys deal with the flake?

Greetings,

Post: #2

(03-31-2014 09:05 AM)Incognito Wrote:  Now, 1 flake a day is already terrible and annoying, but I have been flaked two times now in 1 day. I'm very angry but I know being emotional will not work on these flakers.

How do you guys deal with the flake?

Greetings,

No need to get angry, get your emotional state in order, read Giovonny's posts on control of emotions. You should be non-reactive to when a girl flakes because you have another one lined up.

How Do I deal with flakes, reschedule , sometimes they do have a genuine problem and try rescheduling.

Double book dates, If one flakes other one comes and if both show up you flake on one.

Stack Dates: If you have a day off, stack all your dates , Brunch date 11:00, Late Lunch 2:00 PM, Pre-drinks at 6, another one around 9. hope fully one of them will bounce to your place from bar and you know the rest.

Go out to game not date: When you go out to meet your date, you re lready dressed up, sit at the bar may be the venue next door to the one you selected , have a drink and spit game at veterans.

This past weekend I had one date flake on friday but rescheduled to saturday and I had already lined up 3 dates on saturday. Brunch date showed up and after brunch we bounced to apt for champagne and did the dirty , I delayed the late Lunch (flake from sat) date to 3:00 for coffee and cake and met up with second date, she didn't bounce back to apt. third date flaked and I cancelled the 4th date as I was satisfied from nutting and went out with my brother and had a nice meal and called it a day.

Bottom line Numbers Game , Just like Approaches if one girl is non-responsive, there are 10 other that you can approach, One date falkes, there are 10 other that are in the pipeline that will pan out.

Post: #3

Agree with everything Lothario said, although like the OP, I agree that flakes are emotionally taxing and the number game in general is not for that faint of heart.

You can stack date, double date or whatever, if the girl flakes it will still weigh on you. A little. If you have another date lined up that's great, but just how often you can do that? And for starters I admit that having multiple flakes in one single day is actually very common, and has led me to become pretty irritated sometimes. What Lotharion describes only starts to apply after you've got some pretty solid outer and inner game.

You just can't say flakes don't affect you. If a buddy says he's coming but he's not, well I dont wanna fuck him but it still fucks with my plan, and I'll prolly think twice about hanging out with him again. With girls it sucks cuz you always have to assume the flake.

Post: #4

(03-31-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:05 AM)Incognito Wrote:  Now, 1 flake a day is already terrible and annoying, but I have been flaked two times now in 1 day. I'm very angry but I know being emotional will not work on these flakers.

How do you guys deal with the flake?

Greetings,

No need to get angry, get your emotional state in order, read Giovonny's posts on control of emotions. You should be non-reactive to when a girl flakes because you have another one lined up.

How Do I deal with flakes, reschedule , sometimes they do have a genuine problem and try rescheduling.

Double book dates, If one flakes other one comes and if both show up you flake on one.

Stack Dates: If you have a day off, stack all your dates , Brunch date 11:00, Late Lunch 2:00 PM, Pre-drinks at 6, another one around 9. hope fully one of them will bounce to your place from bar and you know the rest.

Go out to game not date: When you go out to meet your date, you re lready dressed up, sit at the bar may be the venue next door to the one you selected , have a drink and spit game at veterans.

This past weekend I had one date flake on friday but rescheduled to saturday and I had already lined up 3 dates on saturday. Brunch date showed up and after brunch we bounced to apt for champagne and did the dirty , I delayed the late Lunch (flake from sat) date to 3:00 for coffee and cake and met up with second date, she didn't bounce back to apt. third date flaked and I cancelled the 4th date as I was satisfied from nutting and went out with my brother and had a nice meal and called it a day.

Bottom line Numbers Game , Just like Approaches if one girl is non-responsive, there are 10 other that you can approach, One date falkes, there are 10 other that are in the pipeline that will pan out.

Thanks for the post, can you link me to the Giovonny post? I can't find it.

Post: #5

(03-31-2014 10:16 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Agree with everything Lothario said, although like the OP, I agree that flakes are emotionally taxing and the number game in general is not for that faint of heart.

You can stack date, double date or whatever, if the girl flakes it will still weigh on you. A little. If you have another date lined up that's great, but just how often you can do that? And for starters I admit that having multiple flakes in one single day is actually very common, and has led me to become pretty irritated sometimes. What Lotharion describes only starts to apply after you've got some pretty solid outer and inner game.

You just can't say flakes don't affect you. If a buddy says he's coming but he's not, well I dont wanna fuck him but it still fucks with my plan, and I'll prolly think twice about hanging out with him again. With girls it sucks cuz you always have to assume the flake.

It is true that you cannot always have double-planned dates. I would rather be rejected directly than getting flaked on.

I think that the only way to overcome this is by having a lot of confidence and substitutes.

Post: #6

(03-31-2014 10:37 AM)Incognito Wrote:  Thanks for the post, can you link me to the Giovonny post? I can't find it.

Here is another thread with Dusty on fire , Dalaran started another thread on emotions in Game section today.

I was hanging out with Gio this weekend and I asked him how is he feeling and this is what he told

"I am just going to do what needs to be done to get the things I want, When I want and how I want "

Post: #7

Like this:



On a more serious note, I found this helpful and it works well for me:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/02/0...g-a-flake/

Post: #8

Learn to go out alone so you literally never need anyone else to have a good time. Flake happens, oh well, you still go to the bar anyway.

Since I started going out alone my confidence has increased tenfold and I'm no longer needy with anyone. Even guy friends. They bail or are busy or whatever, I still go out because it's what I want to do. I just see em next time.

Post: #9

(03-31-2014 09:05 AM)Incognito Wrote:  I am getting sick and tired of women who flake.

They are not "flaking".

They are just not interested in seeing you.

If a woman wants to see you, she will. If she doesn't want to see you, she will "flake". It's just a form of rejection.

Instead of being "sick and tired" of women not being interested in you ("flaking").. You should be sick and tied of having sub par social skills.

Don't waste energy being upset, focus that energy on self improvement. Turn the anger into positive action.

Improve your look, improve your conversational skills, improve your sense of humor, improve your social skills. If you do those things, flakes will decrease.

Getting mad, annoyed, sick, and tired will not help you, unless you channel that energy into self improvement.

These girls are showing you that you have weaknesses. They are helping you to become aware of and fix those weaknesses.

You should be grateful to these girls. They are giving you feedback that will help you bang other girls.

"Flaking" should not disturb your internal tranquility. If it does, then you need to adjust your perspective and be a bit tougher emotionally.

(03-31-2014 09:05 AM)Incognito Wrote:  How do you guys deal with flakes?

I quickly access why she flaked and what I could have done differently to prevent it.

If there is anything to be learned, I internalize the learning lessons and even take notes or post questions/comments on this forum.

I may send her a "re-start" text in a few days.

Other then that, I just continue working on the other girls in my "funnel".

And, I aggressively improve my game so as to reduce future flakes.

(03-31-2014 10:37 AM)Incognito Wrote:  can you link me to the Giovonny post?

/thread-29332-...#pid562372

(03-31-2014 01:46 PM)Lothario Wrote:  I was hanging out with Gio this weekend and I asked him how is he feeling and this is what he told me:

"I am just going to do what needs to be done to get the things I want, When I want and how I want "

Let me explain..

Lothario asked me how I was feeling..

I said, I don't care about my feelings, I care about taking the necessary actions that will bring me the results that I want.

The point is -- TAKING ACTION is more important then feeling feelings.

You might be angry or annoyed, so what? Who cares? Only you.

The most important factor in you getting some pussy is to get back out there, approach more girls, text more girls, set up more dates, etc.

I never ask myself, how am I feeling.. I ASK MYSELF, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO GET WHAT I WANT!

Fuck your "feelings". Take action!

Post: #10

Post: #11

It's also funny how "non-linear" human attraction is.

A 6 might give you a "talk to the hand" attitude or even a "yuk" then 10 minutes later your talking to an 8 who is totally into you.

The point is, it's a numbers game. Be resilient in the face of the rejections and flakes, and don't read too much into any rejection or flake. Don't create "linear rules" like "she's a six who flaked on me, therefore all sixes and above won't like me." Don't over think this shit, it'll fuck you up and chances are you are wrong any way.

Be a happy warrior. Be emotionally resilient.

Post: #12

(04-01-2014 11:29 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:05 AM)Incognito Wrote:  I am getting sick and tired of women who flake.

They are not "flaking".

They are just not interested in seeing you.

If a woman wants to see you, she will. If she doesn't want to see you, she will "flake". It's just a form of rejection.

Instead of being "sick and tired" of women not being interested in you ("flaking").. You should be sick and tied of having sub par social skills.

Don't waste energy being upset, focus that energy on self improvement. Turn the anger into positive action.

Improve your look, improve your conversational skills, improve your sense of humor, improve your social skills. If you do those things, flakes will decrease.

Getting mad, annoyed, sick, and tired will not help you, unless you channel that energy into self improvement.

These girls are showing you that you have weaknesses. They are helping you to become aware of and fix those weaknesses.

You should be grateful to these girls. They are giving you feedback that will help you bang other girls.

"Flaking" should not disturb your internal tranquility. If it does, then you need to adjust your perspective and be a bit tougher emotionally.

Thank you for writing this.

It's this defeatist, "world is against me, I did nothing wrong" attitude that prevents a lot of people from reaching their true potential. My older brother who is 25 suffers from this attitude as well. If you can never accept responsibility for mistakes you've made or the reasons YOU keep failing and in turn decide to blame others, you lose. Someone who shifts their causality onto someone/something external, can never have closure.

Like Giovonny said, work on yourself. You are only angry because you are embarrassed.

Post: #13

(04-01-2014 12:20 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Don't create "linear rules"

That's very important.

Personally, I don't believe in "rules", too much.

What I'm mean by that is.. [b]Game is more art then science. [b]

Science is about a predictable outcome.

With game, you can everything "right" and still not get the "predicable" outcome.

That's why getting frustrated is pointless unless you channel the frustration into positive action.

(04-01-2014 12:26 PM)TravellingSoldier Wrote:  It's this defeatist, "world is against me, I did nothing wrong" attitude that prevents a lot of people from reaching their true potential.

Well said!

Post: #14

Thanks for the posts, guys. I really appreciate it. I will work on my game more so I get less flaked.

Post: #15

Play it all by ear. Sometimes it's a rude flaking and I call them out on it, knowing that by doing so I will probably never see them again. Other times it seems unintentional and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I also flake on girls all the time and I am a busy guy so it is totally understandable to me when a girl does flake. But it depends on how solid the plans were too. If we said, "let's hang out Friday" (this requires a follow-up to specify time and place) versus "meet me at 3:00 p.m. at this place on Friday", there's a difference there.

Post: #16

Got flaked on again today, on a girl who asked ME to date. She blocked me on whatsapp and then unblocked me, I told her that she should have told me she doesn't want to chill YET instead of blocking me and that I already have a date set up with another girl(I really do, hope this one doesn't flake). Thereafter I blocked her.

Very immature, I know, but I don't want her in my life at all anymore since she has told me a couple days ago that she has been raped(I don't know if it was a false accuse, who says she wouldn't accuse me also of doing something?). I would rather have a girl less in my life, than risking time in jail.

Update: got 2 very funny messages from her lying that she blocked me because she was studying so I couldn't bother her while she was studying and another one that 'talking is a process of 2 people, what you give was a notice. This is unfortunate, but I could have known from the start'. I'm not going to reply anymore.

LOL

Post: #17

Best way to deal with girls that flake? Get more girls.

Think about it this way... If a guy had 5 hot chicks in his harem, would he really give a shit if a new girl flaked on him? Probably not, because sex is just a text message away.

Unfortunately, it takes two to tango and not every girl will be receptive to your game. Because of this, your time would be better invested gaming new targets rather than getting preoccupied why one specific girl flaked on you. Some girls flake for legitimate reasons, and you can always try a restart text a few days later to gauge her interest.

Having a mentality of abundance is probably the best way to deal with flaking, because it allows you to become less preoccupied with one specific interaction. Additionally, it allows you to naturally become less needy, and a guy with more options is more attractive to women anyway. Win win.

Ironically, I feel like one of the best ways to improve your game is to simply get laid more. I know this may not be the best advice to give to a newbie, but the reality is a guy who has sex frequently will care less than the guy who has had a super long dry spell. I've noticed that when I'm getting laid frequently I'm much more outcome independent with my interactions with other girls, which in turn leads to better game and even more options down the line. Classic positive feedback situation.

Post: #18

(03-31-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  Stack Dates: If you have a day off, stack all your dates , Brunch date 11:00, Late Lunch 2:00 PM, Pre-drinks at 6, another one around 9. hope fully one of them will bounce to your place from bar and you know the rest.

This past weekend I had one date flake on friday but rescheduled to saturday and I had already lined up 3 dates on saturday. Brunch date showed up and after brunch we bounced to apt for champagne and did the dirty , I delayed the late Lunch (flake from sat) date to 3:00 for coffee and cake and met up with second date, she didn't bounce back to apt. third date flaked and I cancelled the 4th date as I was satisfied from nutting and went out with my brother and had a nice meal and called it a day.

This sounds so awesome (and also very filling). I'm gonna try it sometime for the hell of it. Well said

Post: #19

1. Find a free advertising newspaper
2. Put an ad that you're selling coil for 3$ per ton
3. Leave her number as contact

She'll be smothered for a month by offers to sell coal because fuck her and her flaking.