I was reading Roosh's latest post, and I was considering the implications of women who preferred their careers to marriage, of women who slut up their twenties and get married in their thirties, and of alphas hogging all the casual sex.

And everyone knows this shit is bad for society. There is universal agreement about this. Less children will be born, less parental investment will go into them, and fewer strong families will exist to safeguard the future against any potential threats. Cities will become havens of roving individuals looking to exploit each other, and all sense of community will gradually die as it is replaced by sheer opportunism.

But I think a lot of guys are expecting some kind of ultimate justice against women for their whoring and sloring, some kind of retribution against not having families when young and passing over good men in favor of worthless careers.

I have news for everyone here: Not only will most of these women become , they will enjoy it. There is no punishment for today's shitty women. There is no coming fempocalypse, no popping of the "Misandry Bubble," today's women will not be left single and alone and helpless. All of these are pretty lies men tell themselves so they can sleep at night after witnessing the never-ending bad behavior of their women.

Instead today's woman will find herself perpetually surrounded by suitors until she hits menopause. After that she will still have money from the cheap marketing/pr/non-profit affirmative action job at she got after college and stayed at for 30 years, so her 401K will give her enough money to coast into her retirement with plenty leftover to do as she pleases.

A slutty ass woman who fucks 10,000 men in her twenties will still find a man willing to commit to her. That's how bad the market is for men. And there is no justice or remedy to this situation.

Guys, here's an interesting fact: Most human societies have experienced non-stop population growth despite frequent wars killing off 10-20% of each generation of males. Russia lost 30% of their males between WWI and WWII, possibly more, and yet they still had population growth.

All of this boils down to men being completely expendable, something that need not enter the minds of any women. Women don't need to care about men, because short of a massive plague, there will always be a man to take care of her. The only thing that could keep woman's behavior in check was the scarcity of virtuous men. Without protection, it meant she would be susceptible to being kidnapped and raped by other men. Formerly known as the "slave trade." Women would purposely band together to create virtuous men, as to ensure their own safety and their children's safety.

But today's women know nothing of those times. And that is the bottom line. Nothing you say or do can change this. I have come to terms with this truth and now I accept women are immune godlike creatures that are totally above the law, norms, and rules of society. I say nothing but wisecracks when I see their licentiousness. The only solution to women is game, because their emotions are the weakspots and it's easy to fuck with their emotions, but the effects of this are temporary and are at best a band-aid to a very serious problem.

There is very little a woman can do to harm her reputation, especially if she's beautiful. I expect to see more porn-stars in office. Women can always expect to have someone to save their asses and marry them, no matter their age. Not only are demographics totally skewed because of the lack of wars, but today's men easily cave to the weakest of a woman's demands due to excessive feminization of the schools and workplace.

It's obvious to see society is completely beyond anyone's control, and the only thing that can stop the eventual centuries-long depopulation and breakdown of civilization is some kind of crazy black-swan event, such as a religious revival, major war, or piece of technology which grows humans in test-tubes to be raised at a government daycare. But basing hope for the future on huge random events is completely foolish, so let's just accept that today's women are broken, destroying society, and will never, ever, receive any punishment for it. Instead the ones who suffer will be the grandkids of today's generation, the fucked up spawn to survive one of history's worst social experiments regarding the natural order of man, woman, and the family unit.

I see what you're saying and you have lots of great points. But how old are you?

If you're ages 20-33, this might be true. But I have seen the battlefield littered with corpses of cat ladies and single moms older than 35. And I can tell you the bills due come due and the consequences come crashing down hard.

Next week, I may do a post called something like "The Incredibly True, Ultimately Tragic Tale of the Well-Meaning Single Mom." It'll be one of the most devastating stories you'll ever read. The media puts a smiley face on all of this. But this story is nothing anyone could ever get published in any book or magazine article.

Till then, I'll leave you with this bit of wisdom:

Worry not whether the women of our age will feel consequences. Instead, worry about how badly you'll feel those consequences if you get involved with the wrong ones. Because you'll be feelin' it long and hard.

Game awareness truly is a gift.

It's really shitty seeing your mom morph into this type of woman. Im sure other guys my age are seeing the same thing.

Well said, Broken. While I find much truth in Samseau's post (sadly), the one thing I dispute is that there is no come-uppance. For some of them, maybe. But, having lived a bit longer than I like to admit, I've seen more than one stunning 20-something wanna-be actress slut turn into a desperate 40 year-old, her looks fading, her savings nill (because, if she went to college, it was to major in Art History or something that pays $30K a year). And they suddenly realize the game is up: men no longer climb over each other to take them to dinner, to pay their bills. It must be terrible. Some escape this, I imagine - a combination of good genes and decent earnings. But more do not. And this is just the hot ones - the ugly ones just get uglier!

I thank god everday I was not born with a vagina!

(03-14-2014 10:03 PM)The Father Wrote:  Well said, Broken. While I find much truth in Samseau's post (sadly), the one thing I dispute is that there is no come-uppance. For some of them, maybe. But, having lived a bit longer than I like to admit, I've seen more than one stunning 20-something wanna-be actress slut turn into a desperate 40 year-old, her looks fading, her savings nill (because, if she went to college, it was to major in Art History or something that pays $30K a year). And they suddenly realize the game is up: men no longer climb over each other to take them to dinner, to pay their bills. It must be terrible. Some escape this, I imagine - a combination of good genes and decent earnings. But more do not. And this is just the hot ones - the ugly ones just get uglier!

I thank god everday I was not born with a vagina!

I have seen even the most ugly of women get men. Not good men by any stretch, but still someone. Women single and alone in their 40's are most likely single because they cannot be around a man without non-stop bitching or other inane nonsense, which sends even the most loyal of betas running. But there is still someone for her, still, if she could learn to stop being such a cunt.

the imbalance of power won't last forever. feminism may have been revolutionaries, but the reactionaries (right wingers) have yet still to respond, and in time, it will come. when the reactionaries react, they will strike back with vengeance and feminists/friends will suffer worse than during "patriarchy" years.

You gotta get outta there samseau. Figure out how to get some cash in anyway possible and come out here to EE.

(03-14-2014 10:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 10:03 PM)The Father Wrote:  Well said, Broken. While I find much truth in Samseau's post (sadly), the one thing I dispute is that there is no come-uppance. For some of them, maybe. But, having lived a bit longer than I like to admit, I've seen more than one stunning 20-something wanna-be actress slut turn into a desperate 40 year-old, her looks fading, her savings nill (because, if she went to college, it was to major in Art History or something that pays $30K a year). And they suddenly realize the game is up: men no longer climb over each other to take them to dinner, to pay their bills. It must be terrible. Some escape this, I imagine - a combination of good genes and decent earnings. But more do not. And this is just the hot ones - the ugly ones just get uglier!

I thank god everday I was not born with a vagina!

I have seen even the most ugly of women get men. Not good men by any stretch, but still someone. Women single and alone in their 40's are most likely single because they cannot be around a man without non-stop bitching or other inane nonsense, which sends even the most loyal of betas running. But there is still someone for her, still, if she could learn to stop being such a cunt.

Look, I'm sorry to be constantly debating with you here, but let me explain this phenomenon.

"I have seen even the most ugly of women get men. Not good men by any stretch, but still someone."

I've seen it too. But you only notice it when it happens because it's so surprising. What you don't notice are the ones who have no one because no one notices these women! No one would want to, sad to say. I live in a condo unit with a bunch and I go out of my way to avoid them, lest I send a wrong message. I do NOT want them to come knocking. Not one of these 35-plus age women is dating anyone and even the one good looking one is alone all the time.

And we also have to face something else: we could bed, date or marry almost any of these women (esp. the fat ones!) but we'd rather be alone. That's why we're here: to rise above this.

Finally, I need to replay my usual chorus of "the media is full of crap" because I think the main reason we think women have it so well is what we're fed by TV, the movies, the Web, etc.

XOJane ran an article today by a fortysomething woman telling about why she's happy to be single. From the article, you'd think she was strong-willed and independent. From the pic, you'd think "Wow! How is she single?!"

But I know what she's like IRL. And she's single because of the sad fact that she's simply not what we'd call good looking. She's somewhat cute, thin, athletic, and petite, but it just ain't happening. Boyish and completely blah. From the pic and text they ran, though, you'd think she was a model turning 'em away left and right. (There's also some other stuff, but I'm wary of getting too personal with this.)

Anyway, as I said, it's a media deception. If they're lying to me right before my eyes with someone I've known for five years, what else is going on?

Your points are taken, Samseau, but unless I have a totally skewed view of things, I think there is more than meets the eye (and if you lived here you'd want NONE of my female neighbors to meet your eye).

^ Some good points.

I'm on the older side and I'm seeing girls (well, they are my age so let's call them middle-aged women) completely alone and struggling.

Some of them were actually pleasant and decent. They just didn't have the sense to know that the party was about to end.

In a way, I view women as as much (and in some way) bigger victims of feminism than men.

We men can start over in our 30s. It might be hard and we might have an alimony/child support hole to get out of. But we can do it.

A woman can't do the same thing. If they screw up and listen to feminist lies, their lives are pretty much over.

When this stuff starts happening to girls you grew up with/went to college/grad school with and you had good interactions with (and knew that they weren't bitches), you might even find the situation somewhat sad.

Most women are just fine, and society isn't collapsing. 20% of people, men and women, have shitty lives and no doubt lots of regrets. And a lot more than that are putting a brave face on it and might seem OK outwardly but are struggling to hold it together. That's how it always has been.

There are definitely consequences for riding the carousel too long. Post-wall women may be able to get "someone" but that's not enough for the hamster. That's like telling a guy he could get a morbidly obese girl if he wanted. The older the woman gets, the lower the standard of man that will be prepared to date her.

A girl spoiled on alphas during her 20s will grudgingly marry a beta provider in her 30s, but many a stupid bitch misses even this last chance, inexplicably waiting it out for a "perfect" guy to save her.

If she isn't hitched by 40, she will either die alone with cats or have to date a hopeless loser or men with obvious mental problems. Trust me, it's not pretty. The Wall leaves no survivors.

I just feel better when I see Samseau's avatar. He's back....

(03-14-2014 09:26 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I see what you're saying and you have lots of great points. But how old are you?

If you're ages 20-33, this might be true. But I have seen the battlefield littered with corpses of cat ladies and single moms older than 35. And I can tell you the bills due come due and the consequences come crashing down hard.

Next week, I may do a post called something like "The Incredibly True, Ultimately Tragic Tale of the Well-Meaning Single Mom." It'll be one of the most devastating stories you'll ever read. The media puts a smiley face on all of this. But this story is nothing anyone could ever get published in any book or magazine article.

Till then, I'll leave you with this bit of wisdom:

Worry not whether the women of our age will feel consequences. Instead, worry about how badly you'll feel those consequences if you get involved with the wrong ones. Because you'll be feelin' it long and hard.

I definitely think that you're right with this one. I just think that what you described is the worst case scenario of a woman who was always part of the lower income class and didn't bother to take care of herself to at least attract a man near the end.

I think in general the career women know when the end is coming and are quick to snatch the best man that's available to them. They will probably be miserable if the career women never bothered to know how to please a men, but financially she'll be well off and blame her misery on anyone but herself

I don't know man. You make a pretty persuasive case, and it holds up pretty well at first glance.

But if there really are no consequences for women, why has female happiness gone down over the past 35 years?

Why are one in four women on antidepressants?

If they've got it so good, we wouldn't expect to be seeing these things, but there they are.

I genuinely don't know what the answer is, but this is my theory: partying and sleeping with random guys on the weekend is ultimately unfulfilling. Most women are happiest in the role of mother, and the corporate/party lifestyle makes them miserable in the end.

But a lot of people here have more life experience than I do, so I'd be interested to hear other people's takes on this.

(03-15-2014 12:38 AM)Faust Wrote:  I don't know man. You make a pretty persuasive case, and it holds up pretty well at first glance.

But if there really are no consequences for women, why has female happiness gone down over the past 35 years?

Why are one in four women on antidepressants?

If they've got it so good, we wouldn't expect to be seeing these things, but there they are.

I genuinely don't know what the answer is, but this is my theory: partying and sleeping with random guys on the weekend is ultimately unfulfilling. Most women are happiest in the role of mother, and the corporate/party lifestyle makes them miserable in the end.

But a lot of people here have more life experience than I do, so I'd be interested to hear other people's takes on this.

I agree that women are happiest as mothers. And that same whore you saw at the club last night will get married a few years later and pop out a few kids next to her loving husband who is none-the-wiser of her former years.

I'm at the age where a see a lot of girls I went to college getting married, and it's too funny to see whores get turned into housewives. When they get divorced there again will be no consequences for destroying the family as she will get custody of the kids and lots of divorce $$$.

Days: Sounds like you're talking about post-menopausal women. I didn't say they could get a man easily. Most men alive at that age would rather buy a hooker than date a woman his age.

But really, after menopause, it's irrelevant if the woman can get a man, because she missed her reproductive window.

Quote:I don't know man. You make a pretty persuasive case, and it holds up pretty well at first glance.

But if there really are no consequences for women, why has female happiness gone down over the past 35 years?

Why are one in four women on antidepressants?

If they've got it so good, we wouldn't expect to be seeing these things, but there they are.

I genuinely don't know what the answer is, but this is my theory: partying and sleeping with random guys on the weekend is ultimately unfulfilling. Most women are happiest in the role of mother, and the corporate/party lifestyle makes them miserable in the end.

But a lot of people here have more life experience than I do, so I'd be interested to hear other people's takes on this.

Women are incapable of seeing the big picture. Their minds are built for narrow focus and that is why they are terrible leaders but great homemakers.

Women today are incapable of seeing why their choices are killing civilization over the long run. They don't understand that avoiding children during their twenties places a huge burden on future generations. Many of them wouldn't care, either.

College attendance rates by females are at all time highs, and that pretty much spells :cat-lady: for most of America's women.

By the time the youngest men on this forum die, most of us will hear about how America is facing a similar demographic crisis to what Japan has today.

What all of this means, for the average man, his following choices are keeping on top of his game to fuck young sluts, or if he wants kids his choices are mostly limited to women entering their late twenties or older. These are pretty miserable choices and yes it does make leaving the country seem more appealing, but sometimes I wonder if going to a different country is merely replacing one set of problems with a different set of problems?

Samseau's points here are all painfully true observations. To me at least, they never become stale topics for discussion, because they are the one problem that none of us can solve. In fact, I think what he talks about here, and what Roosh talked about in his recent article cited, is the defining issue of our time.

I wrote a similarly themed article at ROK called The Anguish Of The Manosphere. I tried to express my own personal despair at these issues, just like Sam, Roosh, and many others have done in one way or another.

How to deal with this? Well, the reality is that you never really get over it. This phenomenon is spreading all over the world. The old order, the old morality, the old ethic, is collapsing quickly and being replaced by....something else. We have to conclude that we are trapped in a period of history where the old ways are giving rise to some fundamentally new conception of men, women, gender, family, and related issues.

This is the dawn of the Age of Barbarism.

We are the unwanted, unloved children of this transition. We are the ships at sea rocked by the swirling tempest. But as society has abandoned us, we return its hatred twofold. We give it back the same measure of bitterness as it fed us. We are the hate that hate created.

My opinion at this point in my life for dealing with this societal crisis is this:

Instead of looking to women and creating a family for our comfort and support, we need to look increasingly to (a) ourselves, and (b) our masculine tribes.

Support and validation will not come from women. Society has cruelly lied to us by feeding us the fantasy that romantic love redeems all. It is a chimera, as fleeting and transitory as the morning mist, burned off by the rising sun.

It may come as some comfort that some previous ages in history have been similar. For most of history, in fact, women have been little more to men than vehicles for procreation. They are not there to emotionally support us. Men will increasingly devolve into tribes based on leadership principles, firm discipline, and a contempt for the old order, which has betrayed us so cruelly. We will scale the walls of the fortress of the old order, eventually, and put the last vestiges of the whole rotten gang to rout.

The thoughtful and rational man will try to extract what enjoyment he can from society, while recognizing what is going on. He will:

1. Read voraciously to build up his intellectual arsenal.

2. Travel often to acquaint himself with the geography of the earth and the people in it.

3. Turn away from the lies, falsehoods, and distractions of American consumerist culture, which only seeks to enslave him.

4. Master game, if he can control his seething contempt for women, to satisfy his physical needs.

5. Try, as much as possible, to become self-sufficient in as many areas as possible.

6. Understand the true nature of women.

7. Do not abandon himself to despair.

8. Adopt a sustaining philosophy of life, and a comprehensive knowledge of history, which will provide some source of solace and comfort.

9. Try to begin to formulate some nascent "code of conduct" to replace the fallen ethics of the past. I think we are well on our way to making some steady steps in this direction already.

As the classical world collapsed into violence and chaos in the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, communities turned inward. Feudalism, centered around a lord and manor, arose out of the need for local support in a chaotic environment. We may see something similar as the centralized authority of the state continues to be eroded by falling birthrates, social decay, and governmental venality.

If we read the "Rule of St. Benedict" today, (a code of conduct governing the first monastic order in Europe) we can admire its strictness, harshness, and deep knowledge of the masculine soul. It was an attempt to impose discipline and order in an age of violence and chaos.

But the truth is that nobody really knows where all this will lead. But we are at least identifying the problem, and asking the big questions.

That's why I draw strength from this tribe.

This post by Samseau is reminding me of the article How Black America Has Predicted Our Future by Athlone McGinnis. I'm definitely not trying to start a race argument and I hope this thread won't get derailed. I just think it will help us analyse what the future will look like.

I do think that life will get really tough for some of the women who've hit the wall without snatching a men. But once this phenomenon will really get widespread with the women who are currently 12-18, I believe they will flip the switch and increase to the max the hate on men, white men in particular.

I also believe that a lot of these up and coming female will be single mothers by choice (like some black women of today) and the up and coming men that will be introduced to game as early as 12-14, which I think will be too early for them to contemplate the consequences of fatherlessness, will simply not care and bust a nut everywhere and make babies to these women who will be raised to openly love idolized bad boys ( like some black men in the hood ). These men will be the future Justin Biebers.

I don't think this will happen at the same proportional level within the white population, but I do think that chaos will come and then the message of the "Big strong white women" will be publicized to shame the white men for the degradation of society. The crime rate will then also rise unfortunately. The only factor that will curb the crime rate is that some of these male raised by single mothers will be homosexual since the media is strongly embracing it now.

I really hate what I just wrote but this is where the Western world is going in my book. Black America just laid the blueprint on how to get there. It's not about race, it's about making the masses, all masses powerless and dependent. By screwing up the women, you indirectly screw up most of the men as well, since they are our only weaknesses.

Samseau, you've been making this argument for years now and I've been countering it for at least that long. Just because many of these women can still find men does not mean that there are no consequences for them.

You're making the mistake of assuming that "finding a man = victory", when the reality is that women who've spent their entire lives feeling entitled to the most attractive men around often find it really difficult to settle for anything less once the wall creeps closer. Some manage to grab a "nice guy" with money, the house, and everything else, but they're absolutely miserable because they're simply not all that attracted to their husband (which in turn leads to sexless marriages, arguments, divorce, kids messed up by dysfunctional home environment, etc).

This is to say nothing of the women who miss the boat on men altogether, and that's a growing number of females in our society.

I'll repost a response I wrote to you when you last claimed that "there is no justice in the mating game":

(07-26-2013 12:03 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(07-14-2013 02:31 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The sad truth is that nearly all of these college sluts will all be flooded with male attention even when in their 30's. Declining demographics mean fewer women for men to choose, which means the ratio factor is in the female's favor.

They can slut it up till they are 30 and get married, have 1-2 kids (providing no fertility issues) with no problems. College sluttery has been going on since the 1960's, and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

There is no justice in the dating game. All is fair play.

They will all be able to land a man, certainly. Finding a willing dude to marry them past their prime won't be an issue since such men are in large supply.

The question is this: will they be able to land the man that they really want? That answer is more complicated.

Yes, these women will in most cases find it easy to find and settle with a solid beta (maybe even a greater-beta) when they decide they are ready. The problem is that they have spent most of their lives conditioned to expect more than that, and their own hypergamy often precludes them from being fully satisfied with the kind of man they can easily lock down when they've gone beyond their prime.

Only a select few will still actually manage to snag "Mr. Big" a that late point. The rest will be stuck with "Mr. Somewhat Larger Than Average". Some of those will be sensible and fair enough to respect what "Mr. Somewhat Larger Than Average" provides for them. They'll invest in the 1 or 2 kids they have and find some happiness, albeit not the kind of happiness they'd hoped for when younger.

Others will never be content with "Mr. Somewhat Larger Than Average" because he isn't the "Mr. Big" that they were sure they would get. They'll never truly be happy and/or satisfied. Some will go as far as to take it out on their unfortunate husbands (whose only crime was not being the Mr. Big of her dreams) and even on their kids. They will often live quite well and enjoy a nice lifestyle provided by the husbands they settled for, but they'll remain tremendously unhappy, and that discontent can sometimes spread throughout the family. Divorces are quite common in this particular scenario.

Justice as many in the manosphere imagine it doesn't really come for these women that often. Most will never grow into old spinsters living in boxes with no money or support. Many will actually live good lives in nice places, and it will actually be quite common for them to exist among this nation's 1 percent since many of these females come from money and will settle for husbands who themselves earn quite a bit.

Don't think, however, that all of this precludes there having been some price paid emotionally or otherwise. Misery stemming from earlier entitlement and/or poor decision making will forever accompany many of these women, and it can be tough to put a price on that. All that glitters is not gold.

^ In what age or time have women been able to marry the man they "really" want? That's not a consequence of their life choices, it's just a consequence of hypergamy itself (always desiring the top % - not possible for everyone to have one of the "top" husbands).

Women learning to settle for a man is an old theme you often see repeated in literature. But before, if a woman had a drunken romp at her town's bar, there would still be the threat of pregnancy or STD's, let alone possible social humiliation. In today's world none of those consequences exist.

I was with you up until you said this part

(03-15-2014 05:02 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Women learning to settle for a man is an old theme you often see repeated in literature. But before, if a woman had a drunken romp at her town's bar, there would still be the threat of pregnancy or STD's, let alone possible social humiliation. In today's world none of those consequences exist.

We still have unwanted pregnancies and STDs(most are treatable, but HIV is still alive and well). So I am not really sure what you are thinking here, I agree that there is no social humiliation for women that have had a lot of dick and ride the cock carousel.

But first and foremost, this is a site about helping guys who want to get laid to get laid. The fact that most American women have no problem having sex right away with a man they don't know at all is something that we should consider to be a good thing, is it not?

These people will all kill themselves off in due time. They probably deserve it, too

Nothing to add to this ... it's all been said better by those above.

But I'm genuinely bowled over by the level of intelligence on this forum.

This place is the truth!

(03-14-2014 10:19 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  You gotta get outta there samseau. Figure out how to get some cash in anyway possible and come out here to EE.

But isn't EE heading the same way? From Roosh's post on how Poland is changing ... I was all set to head out there but feel like I missed the boat.

Apologies for the double post.