Post: #101

(06-25-2014 09:49 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  ....As for women in the West, I really wouldn't pay much attention what they are doing or what is going to happen to them. they sure don't care about what is happening to you men.

The reality is most women don't care that much what is happening to themselves since there's always a free or easy way to get out of any bad situation they put themselves in. Why make concrete plans in life if the end result can very easily be the same no matter what she does?

All that concerns them is that there is a so-called BBF of the month, to ride through their foibles and self-inflicted turmoil with them preaching You Go Girl, and YOLO. Naturally, navigating their transient lives stylishly with $$ and alpha dicks is a preferred choice, by any means. And their cost for those accoutrements is nil.

Post: #102

(10-26-2014 11:06 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  She gets TONS of messages, even from guys in their 20's, and as far as 3 states away, telling her how "gorgeous" she is, etc. She bragged about getting banged by a 25 year old "hot" guy recently, who she saw a few times, although lamented that he "got away".

If a woman is not fat there is almost no end to it. There are plenty of thirsty/horny guys who don't want and don't care about having kids.

Oh, and I forgot some other good tidbits of her online dating choices which are unsurprising on one level, and yet, even at her late age...at 5'7" she rejects any man under 5'11". Also, won't date other races.

Post: #103

(03-15-2014 01:11 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Samseau's points here are all painfully true observations. To me at least, they never become stale topics for discussion, because they are the one problem that none of us can solve. In fact, I think what he talks about here, and what Roosh talked about in his recent article cited, is the defining issue of our time.

I wrote a similarly themed article at ROK called The Anguish Of The Manosphere. I tried to express my own personal despair at these issues, just like Sam, Roosh, and many others have done in one way or another.

How to deal with this? Well, the reality is that you never really get over it. This phenomenon is spreading all over the world. The old order, the old morality, the old ethic, is collapsing quickly and being replaced by....something else. We have to conclude that we are trapped in a period of history where the old ways are giving rise to some fundamentally new conception of men, women, gender, family, and related issues.

This is the dawn of the Age of Barbarism.

We are the unwanted, unloved children of this transition. We are the ships at sea rocked by the swirling tempest. But as society has abandoned us, we return its hatred twofold. We give it back the same measure of bitterness as it fed us. We are the hate that hate created.

My opinion at this point in my life for dealing with this societal crisis is this:

Instead of looking to women and creating a family for our comfort and support, we need to look increasingly to (a) ourselves, and (b) our masculine tribes.

Support and validation will not come from women. Society has cruelly lied to us by feeding us the fantasy that romantic love redeems all. It is a chimera, as fleeting and transitory as the morning mist, burned off by the rising sun.

It may come as some comfort that some previous ages in history have been similar. For most of history, in fact, women have been little more to men than vehicles for procreation. They are not there to emotionally support us. Men will increasingly devolve into tribes based on leadership principles, firm discipline, and a contempt for the old order, which has betrayed us so cruelly. We will scale the walls of the fortress of the old order, eventually, and put the last vestiges of the whole rotten gang to rout.

The thoughtful and rational man will try to extract what enjoyment he can from society, while recognizing what is going on. He will:

1. Read voraciously to build up his intellectual arsenal.

2. Travel often to acquaint himself with the geography of the earth and the people in it.

3. Turn away from the lies, falsehoods, and distractions of American consumerist culture, which only seeks to enslave him.

4. Master game, if he can control his seething contempt for women, to satisfy his physical needs.

5. Try, as much as possible, to become self-sufficient in as many areas as possible.

6. Understand the true nature of women.

7. Do not abandon himself to despair.

8. Adopt a sustaining philosophy of life, and a comprehensive knowledge of history, which will provide some source of solace and comfort.

9. Try to begin to formulate some nascent "code of conduct" to replace the fallen ethics of the past. I think we are well on our way to making some steady steps in this direction already.

As the classical world collapsed into violence and chaos in the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, communities turned inward. Feudalism, centered around a lord and manor, arose out of the need for local support in a chaotic environment. We may see something similar as the centralized authority of the state continues to be eroded by falling birthrates, social decay, and governmental venality.

If we read the "Rule of St. Benedict" today, (a code of conduct governing the first monastic order in Europe) we can admire its strictness, harshness, and deep knowledge of the masculine soul. It was an attempt to impose discipline and order in an age of violence and chaos.

But the truth is that nobody really knows where all this will lead. But we are at least identifying the problem, and asking the big questions.

That's why I draw strength from this tribe.

That, too is what has led me here at a relatively advanced age compared to most of you. I have lived through this evil transformation, seen it in its infancy, when I didn't truly understand what was happening. It has devastated my life, countless others and prematurely ended the lives of some very important to me. I miss them. They were great guys. It goes deeper, much deeper than women turning against us. Almost everything has turned against us. So I find some measure of solace here, and a great deal of education. Even sometimes from those I have disagreed sharply with.

As for the OP, I must regretfully add that I find much truth to what Samseau posted.

Post: #104

(03-16-2014 01:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:38 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  Now I'm just laughing at these broads since I can see their painful futures hehe!!

Not only do they not have a painful future ahead of them, but even if you tried to explain to a modern woman why college is a waste of her time, she won't believe you. And if you explain to an older woman that she wasted her youth, there's only a small chance she'll be honest enough to admit her mistakes.

Even women who fuck up royally usually invent 100 lies and excuses to avoid any personal responsibility, and as long as they were obedient little worker slaves they will have enough money for themselves until they die.

No punishment, no consequences, total denial.

Fact is... most women don't give a shit about the future. As long as they have money, they don't care at all.

Women may face no consequences in terms of laws or social stigmas, however, many are ultimately suffering big time in the dating market. If you can't find any examples around you, do a simple google search, the internet is loaded with stories. Even mainstream publications are commenting on the dilemma modern women face in dating/marriage: Why Women Can't Find a Good Man. There are statistically not enough single, employed/educated men to go around for upper-middle class women. Dalrock illustrated this beautifully here: More Grim News for Carousellers. This is the course many women are running in America these days and it's becoming almost comical.

Post: #105

(10-27-2014 12:39 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  Women may face no consequences in terms of laws or social stigmas, however, many are ultimately suffering big time in the dating market. If you can't find any examples around you, do a simple google search, the internet is loaded with stories. Even mainstream publications are commenting on the dilemma modern women face in dating/marriage: Why Women Can't Find a Good Man. There are statistically not enough single, employed/educated men to go around for upper-middle class women. Dalrock illustrated this beautifully here: More Grim News for Carousellers. This is the course many women are running in America these days and it's becoming almost comical.

This is an excerpt from a post of mine from earlier today:

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My issue is that with all the criticism of unmarried and unmarriageable men, from articles on Slate to Atlantic to NYT, there is never discussion of the obvious, which is that there are a lot of unmarriageable women.

Women can try to force the notion that men should like them for their career and being equal in age, but that's just not going to happen. I have a good career. But I'll marry the nice, cute, mid-20s feminine secretary over the fat, obnoxious, mid-30s feminist lawyer. Of course those articles are often written by women who regret not settling down earlier. Now they are trying to dictate to men what they should look for in a mate. And most men, especially quality men, are not going to want to marry an angry 39 year old, a fat whale, or a woman with the thousand cock stare (or some combination).

Bottom line is, I'm in my late 30s. I still get attention from younger women (mid-late 20s). Should that end before I get married, I accept my fate and the decisions that I've made. But I think the conversation needs to be balanced, and women need to take responsibility for why so many of them remain unmarried.

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In other words, the question always focuses on the men, but why not the women? Why can't any men find any good women?

As stated above, we care far less about their career than they do about ours. They can complain about this all they want, but as I often say, women can decide what they find attractive, men will decide what men find attractive.

A 35 year old lawyer may be 'accomplished' but she if she's also a dumpy semi-fattie, we won't give a shit. This is in addition to her being at the very tail end of her fertile years.

On that note, there are simply a plethora of physically unattractive, fat women.

And going beyond physical appearance, feminism has taught women to act like selfish, narcissistic cunts. Ironic, as many of pointed out, that feminism is a woman's own worst enemy. No matter what they preach, at the end of the day they cannot force us to find them attractive.

So instead of teaching women to be pretty and feminine since that is what a lot of men (particularly quality, masculine men) like, feminism promotes an anything goes philosophy.

This results in men selecting from a pool of dumpy/fat loud-mouthed pigs. As I've said, we've gone from idolizing feminine women (i.e. Farah Fawcett) to dumpy, obnoxious fatasses like Lena Dunham. Fat acceptance has turned into fat glorification. And we don't want that shit.

Sure, there are certainly good women out there. And most of us will settle down with them. But not with the other option. If women want to know why they aren't married, it just might help to look in the mirror, both figuratively and literally.

Post: #106

(10-27-2014 12:39 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:38 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  Now I'm just laughing at these broads since I can see their painful futures hehe!!

Not only do they not have a painful future ahead of them, but even if you tried to explain to a modern woman why college is a waste of her time, she won't believe you. And if you explain to an older woman that she wasted her youth, there's only a small chance she'll be honest enough to admit her mistakes.

Even women who fuck up royally usually invent 100 lies and excuses to avoid any personal responsibility, and as long as they were obedient little worker slaves they will have enough money for themselves until they die.

No punishment, no consequences, total denial.

Fact is... most women don't give a shit about the future. As long as they have money, they don't care at all.

Women may face no consequences in terms of laws or social stigmas, however, many are ultimately suffering big time in the dating market. If you can't find any examples around you, do a simple google search, the internet is loaded with stories. Even mainstream publications are commenting on the dilemma modern women face in dating/marriage: Why Women Can't Find a Good Man. There are statistically not enough single, employed/educated men to go around for upper-middle class women. Dalrock illustrated this beautifully here: More Grim News for Carousellers. This is the course many women are running in America these days and it's becoming almost comical.

As CRR says, its because American women are too picky given their low value, not that they have a lack of options. It's not, "There are no good men," but instead, "No man is good enough."

Post: #107

(10-27-2014 03:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 12:39 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:38 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  Now I'm just laughing at these broads since I can see their painful futures hehe!!

Not only do they not have a painful future ahead of them, but even if you tried to explain to a modern woman why college is a waste of her time, she won't believe you. And if you explain to an older woman that she wasted her youth, there's only a small chance she'll be honest enough to admit her mistakes.

Even women who fuck up royally usually invent 100 lies and excuses to avoid any personal responsibility, and as long as they were obedient little worker slaves they will have enough money for themselves until they die.

No punishment, no consequences, total denial.

Fact is... most women don't give a shit about the future. As long as they have money, they don't care at all.

Women may face no consequences in terms of laws or social stigmas, however, many are ultimately suffering big time in the dating market. If you can't find any examples around you, do a simple google search, the internet is loaded with stories. Even mainstream publications are commenting on the dilemma modern women face in dating/marriage: Why Women Can't Find a Good Man. There are statistically not enough single, employed/educated men to go around for upper-middle class women. Dalrock illustrated this beautifully here: More Grim News for Carousellers. This is the course many women are running in America these days and it's becoming almost comical.

As CRR says, its because American women are too picky given their low value, not that they have a lack of options. It's not, "There are no good men," but instead, "No man is good enough."

When you remember feminism is at core sexism against men, I think it was Milton Friedman who made the strongest economic case against anti-discriminatory legislation: "Discrimination is its own punishment."

For example, any Olympic track team that chose to remain lily-white solely for Nazi reasons these days would never pick up a gold medal, simply because the fastest men in these sports are now overwhelmingly black.

What's not appreciated is that discrimination in favour of one gender, or skin colour, is just as destructive as discrimination against, because it allows whoever's the favoured party to coast on their colour or genitals at the expense of the others, resulting in a less efficient organisation all round.

Going slightly away from topic, people like to point at Obama and call him the fulfilment of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech. Nothing could be further from the truth. MLK said he had a dream that people would not be judged on the colour of their skin, but on the content of their character. When you look at the reasons Obama took and retained office, they have precious little to do with Obama's character and plenty to do with his colour.

Post: #108

You know, once upon a time, I really wanted some bad consequences to happen to women, for all the BS they put us through.

But as the true opposite of love is indifference, not hate, over time, that little bit of hatred from me has completely died off, and now I really don't care whether they suffer any consequence or not.

Having said that, I always find these threads fascinating because it brings out some of the best writings of the manosphere. Exhibit A: Quintus' post, quoted above.

(10-27-2014 12:58 AM)CRR Wrote:  My issue is that with all the criticism of unmarried and unmarriageable men, from articles on Slate to Atlantic to NYT, there is never discussion of the obvious, which is that there are a lot of unmarriageable women.

Whenever I talk to my mother for more than 5 mins these days, she'd sneak in something about her expecting me to get married soon. I'd respond with a challenge: dear mother, you find me any girl you see, even just walking down the streets, that you think would make a good wife for me and daughter-in-law for you, and I promise you I'd do everything in my power to marry her.

I've got no answer to that challenge for a few years now. And my mother now complains more about how terrible wives young women these days would make, than this whole forum combined.

Post: #109

(10-27-2014 08:27 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  You know, once upon a time, I really wanted some bad consequences to happen to women, for all the BS they put us through.

But as the true opposite of love is indifference, not hate, over time, that little bit of hatred from me has completely died off, and now I really don't care whether they suffer any consequence or not.

Having said that, I always find these threads fascinating because it brings out some of the best writings of the manosphere. Exhibit A: Quintus' post, quoted above.

(10-27-2014 12:58 AM)CRR Wrote:  My issue is that with all the criticism of unmarried and unmarriageable men, from articles on Slate to Atlantic to NYT, there is never discussion of the obvious, which is that there are a lot of unmarriageable women.

Whenever I talk to my mother for more than 5 mins these days, she'd sneak in something about her expecting me to get married soon. I'd respond with a challenge: dear mother, you find me any girl you see, even just walking down the streets, that you think would make a good wife for me and daughter-in-law for you, and I promise you I'd do everything in my power to marry her.

I've got no answer to that challenge for a few years now. And my mother now complains more about how terrible wives young women these days would make, than this whole forum combined.

The reason this question is never brought up is because there are too many pussywhipped white knights who still actually believe that there actually are a lot more quality women than there are quality men out there. The obesity epidemic, the rise of the babymomma culture, insufferable feminist attitudes,... American women have been decimated. If an angel died and I got a nickle for every time I met an attractive-looking, young, single mother, I think I could provide an angel graveyard replete with marble tombstones.

Post: #110

Individually, I feel bad for women in our feminist society. I rarely look at a women about to hit, hitting, or after hitting the wall and think "fuck you that's what you get".

That's what they get in our world, but even "good" women are products of our fucked up feminist society. In my experiences with wall/post-wall women, our society has unfortunately created a world where:
- Women really do need to be concerned about their careers. I know a sweet old lady still working full time because she got screwed over by her now-dead husband. You can say 'they hooked up with loser alpha types and had kids'...yeah, well, they didn't make the rules they're just playing the game.
- Women aren't taught to be feminine and lady-like. Don't drink too much, don't party, be sweet, cook, be nice...well, all things feminine. Women are told they can party and be sarcastic AND still be feminine and get a great guy. It's not about men vs women, it's about masculinity vs femininity. And they're are as opposite as light and dark. You can't have fame, fortune, career, power...and be feminine and have a great relationship.
- Women are told to not worry about kids until late 20's early 30's, despite average women having only 10% of eggs at age 30.
- Young feminine mothers on welfare we think of as blood-sucking parasites living off the government. "Well they should have babies with MrNiceGuy." Yeah, then realize when they're 28 they're married to a loser and divorce him...because she's tired of fucking a loser and wants to cum.
- Nowadays, the hottest women (age 19-24) have grown up with constant attention from the internet, facebook, smartphones, etc. We have to compete with that...yep, I guess blame her parents.

But, similar to a spoiled child, if you aren't their dad, you can't tell a woman to reign it in. You can only do one of two things:
(1) Fuck them and feel sorry for them or
(2) Not fuck them and feel sorry for yourself as well.

Either way, you aren't God so don't hope for a feminocalypse and you aren't her dad so don't try to fix her.

Post: #111

(10-27-2014 09:19 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  The reason this question is never brought up is because there are too many pussywhipped white knights who still actually believe that there actually are a lot more quality women than there are quality men out there. The obesity epidemic, the rise of the babymomma culture, insufferable feminist attitudes,... American women have been decimated. If an angel died and I got a nickle for every time I met an attractive-looking, young, single mother, I think I could provide an angel graveyard replete with marble tombstones.

Agreed. The debate needs to be changed, because it's solely on their terms.

And that's where we could easily win. We're not looking for it to be on our terms, solely on what we want, but on mutual terms.

I'm perfectly fine with women judging me. If a woman doesn't want to date me, or doesn't think I'm marriage material, for whatever reason, that is fine.

Likewise, I will not have dictated to me what a marriageable woman is. The Pew Research poll, which several of the articles are based on, ask the following:

   

Those questions matter less to me than:

1) A pleasant demeanor
2) Physical attraction

Of course those are code words for "don't be a cunt" and "don't be a fat whale". Thing is, women use code words too. "Steady job" and "education" are code words for "guy with money". And that's fine, people like what they like.

Either way, the main failure they keep repeating over and over, and this cannot be emphasize enough, is that it assumes men and women are looking for the same thing in a partner. We are not.

That's where all the feminist lingo like "fat shaming" and "slut shaming" comes from. It's because they don't want to be judged on their looks or their behavior. They simply want to dictate the market to us on their terms. Fuck. That.

So when someone asks me what I'm looking for in a woman? Don't be fat, cunty…er, I mean, someone with a pleasant demeanor, feminine qualities and can run ten feet without passing out.

Post: #112

Why do 28% of men demand a woman with "at least as much education"???

Post: #113

^ HCE, it's an epidemic, dude. I was showing a buddy of mine some pictures from the "What do you consider a 10" thread. He goes, "yea, but these girls are probably dumb as hell, let's see what their IQ's are". This is an EE guy, too. Totally brainwashed by this culture.

Post: #114

(10-27-2014 02:29 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  ^ HCE, it's an epidemic, dude. I was showing a buddy of mine some pictures from the "What do you consider a 10" thread. He goes, "yea, but these girls are probably dumb as hell, let's see what their IQ's are". This is an EE guy, too. Totally brainwashed by this culture.

To make the irony even greater, beauty and intelligence are actually correlated:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-...ntelligent

Post: #115

^ Delusional betas.

Quote:- Women are told to not worry about kids until late 20's early 30's, despite average women having only 10% of eggs at age 30.

15% of women age 35 are already infertile.

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/a6155/your-a...-fertility



The "likelihood of getting pregnant" is chance per year. So only a 50% chance of a woman 35 to get preggo, per year. Compare that to a 80% of a 20 year old.

Post: #116

(10-27-2014 12:49 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Why do 28% of men demand a woman with "at least as much education"???

Status-driven men who want to be part of a power couple, perhaps?

Post: #117

(10-27-2014 03:27 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Status-driven men who want to be part of a power couple, perhaps?

Yeah that's pretty old school actually.

You want a smart educated woman with class so you can take her to important networking events.

Although with all those empty-headed educated bitches glued to their iphones these days, I'd rather go by myself.

Post: #118

(10-27-2014 02:29 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  I was showing a buddy of mine some pictures from the "What do you consider a 10" thread. He goes, "yea, but these girls are probably dumb as hell, let's see what their IQ's are". This is an EE guy, too. Totally brainwashed by this culture.

I disagree. Nowhere in the West is discussing IQ considered PC.

Your buddy had a point. Many models are dumb as rocks. However, all models are assumed to be dumb as rocks because of women's sour grapes.

The mistake is to assume that dumb women who waste 4+2 years in college and grad school suddenly become geniuses. They may become less ignorant, but how does a diploma change one's genes? A girl with good genes should marry at 18. She is only getting uglier after the age of 18, and she's not getting any smarter.

Post: #119

Speaking of women and intelligence......Women, in general do not 'think' they are not thinkers. They will jump on any band wagon/buzzword that crops up. OH "Im going to support fair and ethical trade from now on, I will only buy tea and coffee with the fair trade tick, they think to themselves as they walk through some swanky western shopping center and see some 'fair Trade' shop with its rustic interior design specifically marketed to entice and make money from idiots such as this. When they make these life changing decisions also not surprisingly, simultaneously now, they could never date a man who does not support fair trade, they receive many likes on Facebook from the selfie taken here with heartwarming comments of the kind and compassionate person they are. Now if they looked into the issue a bit deeper they would see that infact some group of people somewhere in the world will always be exploited, probably to the the tune of the shoes and the rest of the attire she was wearing that day.

Talk to an 'educated' girl about anything and she will just regurgitate what some academic pleb has told her. She has no genuine interest/thoughts or at least not in the same way as men. A good example is of a science class back at UNI, this idiot was trying to debate/converse with me on the pest species of carp; now I am an avid fisherman and know exactly what im talking about, she couldnt care less about it but just had to win and seem smart and equal, all she had to go on was what she was taught at uni.... thats it, nothing more. Women do not invent, build, create, intellectualize ideas. They simply choose a degree they like and do it, like ordering a big mac meal, its quick easy secure and risk free. they will then believe everything they are taught as gospel.

Anyway; in short, men lead and women follow. The only reason women do so well now career wise is that they just have to follow procedures that have already been thought of/put in place for them, and i must say they are very useful at this. I really do have to laugh now every single online dating profile is either atheist or new age. I dont belive in god either but these bitches just tick that box as its whats everyone else is doing and its whats in the media; they do not spent any time thinking why, they are to busy with facebook, creating drama and gossip (usually at there so called friends expense), attention whoring and watching >insert popular romantic vampire/zombie tv show here.

There are of course consequences for women and men, but ignorance is bliss and many men and women will never know or care what they missed out on.

Post: #120

(10-27-2014 10:22 PM)kazz Wrote:  Women, in general do not 'think' they are not thinkers. They will jump on any band wagon/buzzword that crops up. OH "Im going to support fair and ethical trade from now on, I will only buy tea and coffee with the fair trade tick. When they make these life changing decisions also not surprisingly, simultainiously now, they could never date a man who does not support fair trade.

LOL. So true. In the U.S., at least in big cities like New York, every woman is "allergic to gluten...I'm gluten free". The actual % of women with a gluten allergy? 1-2%. They are complete lemmings.

Post: #121

Father; next time you encounter one ask them what gluten is, then sit back watch there face go red.... ....Its um, er much more healthy, full of vitamins, I think non-gluten products are super foods!

Post: #122

(10-27-2014 10:36 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 10:22 PM)kazz Wrote:  Women, in general do not 'think' they are not thinkers. They will jump on any band wagon/buzzword that crops up. OH "Im going to support fair and ethical trade from now on, I will only buy tea and coffee with the fair trade tick. When they make these life changing decisions also not surprisingly, simultainiously now, they could never date a man who does not support fair trade.

LOL. So true. In the U.S., at least in big cities like New York, every woman is "allergic to gluten...I'm gluten free". The actual % of women with a gluten allergy? 1-2%. They are complete lemmings.

In fairness that might not be the best example, a lot of guys buy into this shit too.
A lot of guys even on this forum, heh. Read some of the paleo diet threads.

Post: #123

(10-27-2014 12:15 PM)CRR Wrote:  So when someone asks me what I'm looking for in a woman? Don't be fat, cunty…er, I mean, someone with a pleasant demeanor, feminine qualities and can run ten feet without passing out active lifestyle.

You forgot to put that last bit into code.

Post: #124

After going through all of this, all I can say is: Who cares?

As a man, all you should think about is how you should operate in order to get the women that will actually add to your life.

I find it funny when I hear men complain about women who are cunts. If they are cunts, why do you care? What value can a cunt possibly add to your life? It is not a matter of how to game her, if she is a cunt, she should be disqualified immediately. Zoom out and leave your ego aside.

I don't give a shit about what happens to these women. Unless she is a girl that is a valuable part of my life, I don't care. Their future happiness is an irrelevant issue to me.

Post: #125

Me in my early 20s right now taught me so much about these posts of you guys, thanks.