Post: #301

Let me add some stuff too, while we are talking about this.

Sports like Boxing or Muay Thai are huge on rhythm and being comfortable. You gotta be comfortable (glove wise) while fighting. Even thinking about your fucking gloves while in the ring, disrupts your rhythm and timing. It really is a big deal. One small lapse of concentration and your mug is on the canvas. People that never fought before bitch and moan about Mayweather and his beef with Pac man's gloves some years back, or just any situation when fighters argue about gloves to be worn, without understanding why it matters. These guys want to use what they like and be comfortable because that is one less thing to think about while fighting. Some fighters like Floyd might be doing a little gamesmanship by being bitchy about his opponent's gloves because he understands how important that "feel" needs to be on fight night. He can use accusations about sharp corners to make the opponent get pressured into using his favorite brand too. Good for that brand business wise too. Alot goes into this stuff. It's alot like being used to certain tires when racing because you know the quirks and characteristics of that tire and how hard to push it in the hairpins. It inspires confidence.

If you spent a whole training camp in one brand of 10-16s, only to have to wrap up and fight with a totally different brand on fight night, you would be surprised at how much it would bother you. When any of my guys had a upcoming fight we quickly would find out what gloves were being used for the fight and then buy a box of them ASAP. Then they would spar and run their camp with that brand. This also would prevent us from getting tricked come fight night just in case the gloves were different. We would already know what they are supposed to feel like, etc.

Take your gloves seriously as you get more advanced. Early on, it really does not matter much. At that point, learning how to punch correctly matters more than anything else. The speed and power will come with time.

Post: #302

So the last two mitt sessions my output, quality, everything was much better.

Only difference? I ate more carbs the day before.

I still train on an empty stomach plus BCAAs.

I guess this is the way forward for me.

I alternate weightlifting with boxing. So the carbs I take post weightlifting which are needed for the muscles but the side benefit is it seems to give me the energy for the next morning of boxing.

I know it isn't much of a discovery. But I was just so caught up with trying to get a bit more cut so I was really watching the carbs.

Post: #303

Greco Roman/Freestyle wrestlers taught me the power of eating pasta noodles plain before a big practice or sparring session. Carbs get a bad rap but when you realize the differese between eating carbs the way most restaurants or people cook and carbs for training function, you can see a big difference. If you actually work off the carbs and not let it sit in your stomach, they are never much of a threat. Just avoid alot of sauces and other junk if you want to use carbs for energy and training. Some companies make shake canisters nowadays that have clean carbs for energy too if you want to get hardcore about it.

Post: #304

You've got to eat carbs if your training hard. You don't need to eat them with every meal but you do need to eat them before and after your training sessions.

Every boxer I've ever known has eaten massive amounts of carbs. I trained at the same camp as a young Swedish boxer that had recently turned professional in Thailand (he actually fought and lost a close decision to the Thai that knocked out Pacquiao with a body shot back in 2004), and I remember seeing him come back from a run and eat a breakfast of 2 packs of sticky rice and a can of coke!

Post: #305

(04-01-2015 02:40 AM)Kieran Wrote:  You've got to eat carbs if your training hard. You don't need to eat them with every meal but you do need to eat them before and after your training sessions.

Every boxer I've ever known has eaten massive amounts of carbs. I trained at the same camp as a young Swedish boxer that had recently turned professional in Thailand (he actually fought and lost a close decision to the Thai that knocked out Pacquiao with a body shot back in 2004), and I remember seeing him come back from a run and eat a breakfast of 2 packs of sticky rice and a can of coke!

Breakfast of champions!

Post: #306

Random question, anyone know the best way to find good boxing gyms when I am on my trip? If I ever achieve my goal of moving abroad, it would be important to me to have access to a good trainer. This is a shot in the dark but anyone know of any in Bucharest, Lviv, Lublin or Warsaw? I will google a bit more. But if anyone knows, if you wouldn't mind sharing, I would totally appreciate it.

Post: #307

(04-01-2015 02:40 AM)Kieran Wrote:  You've got to eat carbs if your training hard. You don't need to eat them with every meal but you do need to eat them before and after your training sessions.

Every boxer I've ever known has eaten massive amounts of carbs. I trained at the same camp as a young Swedish boxer that had recently turned professional in Thailand (he actually fought and lost a close decision to the Thai that knocked out Pacquiao with a body shot back in 2004), and I remember seeing him come back from a run and eat a breakfast of 2 packs of sticky rice and a can of coke!

Off topic, but are there places in Thailand to get good quality boxing instruction for cheap similar to the Muay Thai scene there? A training vacation to Thailand could be in the cards in the future.

Post: #308

At the gym today a couple of pro Russian fighters were doing this funny exercise but it made sense. They put there hands together and then extended their arms in the air, then they spun around until they got dizzy.

Then they would shadow box. I did my best to speak to one of the guys (language issue). Sounds like it was to replicate the sensation you would feel if you had got hit hard and was woozy. Conditioning themselves to be familiar with the feeling and try to fight through it.

Just imagine you did that thing where you spun your head on a baseball bat, I think it was recreating that feeling.

Edit: This is the dizzy bat thing I was referring to.

Post: #309

(04-02-2015 05:24 PM)viajero Wrote:  Off topic, but are there places in Thailand to get good quality boxing instruction for cheap similar to the Muay Thai scene there? A training vacation to Thailand could be in the cards in the future.

Not that I've seen. And I've looked. There very few real boxing coaches in Thailand. A lot of the Thai Western boxers you see are retired Muay Thai fighters. The Thai western boxing trainers are generally MT guys as well, and from what I've seen, anyone who has worked with a real boxing coach will be extremely disappointed in their skills as a coach. The Thai style really lacks the hands, head movement and defensive skills, as far as hands go, that make Western boxing what it is.

Thailand has a good amateur boxing team but it is through the Thai army and the head trainer is Cuban, with half a dozen Thai trainers underneath him. But you can't just go train with the Thai national team.

If anyone knows of any good Thai boxing trainers in Thailand I'd love to know. I couldn't find any myself. That said, I'm not a MT guy, so maybe there are some hidden gems in some of these Thai camps with really good Western boxing trainers, but not that I know of.

Post: #310

(04-03-2015 12:56 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 05:24 PM)viajero Wrote:  Off topic, but are there places in Thailand to get good quality boxing instruction for cheap similar to the Muay Thai scene there? A training vacation to Thailand could be in the cards in the future.

Not that I've seen. And I've looked. There very few real boxing coaches in Thailand. A lot of the Thai Western boxers you see are retired Muay Thai fighters. The Thai western boxing trainers are generally MT guys as well, and from what I've seen, anyone who has worked with a real boxing coach will be extremely disappointed in their skills as a coach. The Thai style really lacks the hands, head movement and defensive skills, as far as hands go, that make Western boxing what it is.

Thailand has a good amateur boxing team but it is through the Thai army and the head trainer is Cuban, with half a dozen Thai trainers underneath him. But you can't just go train with the Thai national team.

If anyone knows of any good Thai boxing trainers in Thailand I'd love to know. I couldn't find any myself. That said, I'm not a MT guy, so maybe there are some hidden gems in some of these Thai camps with really good Western boxing trainers, but not that I know of.

I've trained at plenty of camps in thailand too and I have to agree with you 100%.

I think their boxing training is poor for MT let alone Western Boxing.

This is hardly a surprise, though, given the way that MT is both scored and loved from a Thai perspective.

My personal opinion is that MT coaching is better in the West than Thailand; the only thing those guys have is masses of experience.

Post: #311

The Thai style of training and teaching MT is why I never bothered to do it. "Punch! Punch! Kick! Kick! Punch!" with no real techniques or combinations taught. Just burn you out on the pads. That's what I've seen of it at least.

If the Thai style was similar to the Dutch style I would have been there on day one.

Post: #312

(04-02-2015 05:24 PM)viajero Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 02:40 AM)Kieran Wrote:  You've got to eat carbs if your training hard. You don't need to eat them with every meal but you do need to eat them before and after your training sessions.

Every boxer I've ever known has eaten massive amounts of carbs. I trained at the same camp as a young Swedish boxer that had recently turned professional in Thailand (he actually fought and lost a close decision to the Thai that knocked out Pacquiao with a body shot back in 2004), and I remember seeing him come back from a run and eat a breakfast of 2 packs of sticky rice and a can of coke!

Off topic, but are there places in Thailand to get good quality boxing instruction for cheap similar to the Muay Thai scene there? A training vacation to Thailand could be in the cards in the future.

There's a few good gyms and a few good trainers around, not sure where they all are now though as I haven't been back for a while.

Galaxy gym is one of the better boxing gyms. I've only trained there a few times though, as I went along with a friend that was going there to spar former world champion Poonsawat.

http://www.siamfightmag.com/en/muaythai-...galaxy-gym

Sor Vorapin are one of the more famous boxing gyms in Thailand, and have produced multiple world champions such as Ratanapol and Ratanachai Sor Vorapin (sparred both of these guys, and even though I'm much taller and heavier, they hit ridiculously hard even when going fairly easy). They also had a couple of PABA champions when I was training there that I got good sparring with. But as with most camps it's pretty hit or miss depending on which trainers they have working there.

I trained with the trainer from The Contender Asia for a while there, Petch Payao, who boxed for Thailand in the Olympics, and who told me that he has worked Freddie Roach exchanging knowledge on muay thai for boxing. One of the better trainers I've worked with. He left for Brazil while I was there though to work with some MMA fighter, not sure where he is now. He was head trainer at the gym by Lumpini for a while, but I think that's gone now.

Also trained with another guy called Yu Yee at Sor Vorapin, who is one of the more prominent boxing trainers in Thailand and has produced lots of world champions and PABA champions. Best trainer I've ever worked with, but again I don't think he's there anymore. Last I heard he was at some boxing gym outside of Bangkok.

With Sor Vorapin, they make a lot of money from training tourists, so they can be really lazy, especially if you're not that serious.

Saengmorakot was great where I trained for several months. I've also trained at Chuwattana for a while which is also really good with hands.

A Portugese friend that used to fight out of Jocky Gym told me they're good with hands too, but I never got around to training there. Olympic gold medal winner Somrak Khamsing came out of Jocky Gym for what it's worth.

Jitti gym isn't bad and have some decent boxing fighters, I stayed there a month when I first went to Thailand, but it was too out of the way for me on later stays. Not sure what it's like now.

There's lots of decent boxing gyms outside of Bangkok as well but I don't know much about them other than the fighters that are there. I could probably ask around and find out more if you want.

Hope that helps anyway.

Post: #313

(04-04-2015 06:54 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 05:24 PM)viajero Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 02:40 AM)Kieran Wrote:  You've got to eat carbs if your training hard. You don't need to eat them with every meal but you do need to eat them before and after your training sessions.

Every boxer I've ever known has eaten massive amounts of carbs. I trained at the same camp as a young Swedish boxer that had recently turned professional in Thailand (he actually fought and lost a close decision to the Thai that knocked out Pacquiao with a body shot back in 2004), and I remember seeing him come back from a run and eat a breakfast of 2 packs of sticky rice and a can of coke!

Off topic, but are there places in Thailand to get good quality boxing instruction for cheap similar to the Muay Thai scene there? A training vacation to Thailand could be in the cards in the future.

There's a few good gyms and a few good trainers around, not sure where they all are now though as I haven't been back for a while.

Galaxy gym is one of the better boxing gyms. I've only trained there a few times though, as I went along with a friend that was going there to spar former world champion Poonsawat.

http://www.siamfightmag.com/en/muaythai-...galaxy-gym

Sor Vorapin are one of the more famous boxing gyms in Thailand, and have produced multiple world champions such as Ratanapol and Ratanachai Sor Vorapin (sparred both of these guys, and even though I'm much taller and heavier, they hit ridiculously hard even when going fairly easy). They also had a couple of PABA champions when I was training there that I got good sparring with. But as with most camps it's pretty hit or miss depending on which trainers they have working there.

I trained with the trainer from The Contender Asia for a while there, Petch Payao, who boxed for Thailand in the Olympics, and who told me that he has worked Freddie Roach exchanging knowledge on muay thai for boxing. One of the better trainers I've worked with. He left for Brazil while I was there though to work with some MMA fighter, not sure where he is now. He was head trainer at the gym by Lumpini for a while, but I think that's gone now.

Also trained with another guy called Yu Yee at Sor Vorapin, who is one of the more prominent boxing trainers in Thailand and has produced lots of world champions and PABA champions. Best trainer I've ever worked with, but again I don't think he's there anymore. Last I heard he was at some boxing gym outside of Bangkok.

With Sor Vorapin, they make a lot of money from training tourists, so they can be really lazy, especially if you're not that serious.

Saengmorakot was great where I trained for several months. I've also trained at Chuwattana for a while which is also really good with hands.

A Portugese friend that used to fight out of Jocky Gym told me they're good with hands too, but I never got around to training there. Olympic gold medal winner Somrak Khamsing came out of Jocky Gym for what it's worth.

Jitti gym isn't bad and have some decent boxing fighters, I stayed there a month when I first went to Thailand, but it was too out of the way for me on later stays. Not sure what it's like now.

There's lots of decent boxing gyms outside of Bangkok as well but I don't know much about them other than the fighters that are there. I could probably ask around and find out more if you want.

Hope that helps anyway.

Thanks, great info.

Post: #314

So I trained with 8 oz gloves today after doing some 16s. Definitely, increased my focus. And forced me to cut power and just work on form. My hands barely got in there. I did wrap with some gauze to protect between the fingers but not much of a pad. I definitely felt my knuckles. Just focused me to concentrate more.

Also, we did some silent mitt work. Just reacting to his mitts. It actually helped. Sometimes when I hear the words, I lock for a second as I am "planning" for the movement. I seemed to react better with just visual cues.

I'll need to find a way to pad it better but even my trainer was surprised how it was an effective thing and not a waste of time.

On a side note: Anyone have the ability to get a media pass from a boxing blog or newsroom? Please pm me! Thanks!

Edit: I do hope my hands are not too sure tomorrow. I went 10 rounds today. 5 with the smaller gloves.

Post: #315

I totally agree about the shitty quality of boxing at MT gyms in Thailand. Most of them can't punch for shit. The ones that can have learned boxing separately. Not only will you probably learn no effective punching at a MT camp (in Thailand) unless it is a top one but your boxing will go backwards. They'll stiffen you up. You'll lose movement. You'll start fighting square-on and not circling round and in so much. You'll forget how to block body shots. God even the stance is different, it's so much more square-on the punches are less powerful, especially with the different weight distribution on the feet. They don't even move their bodyweight properly. Ontop of all this you'll start turn-taking in your sparring, which is what happens in most MT fights, so a good boxer will break your rhythm immediately. Don't even get me started about their shitty teaching methods.
Conclusion: be very careful where you train punching in Thailand.

Post: #316

I'm still a boxing n00b, but if anyone is interested in the answer for "can I lift heavy and box?" I think the answer is a resounding yes, and I'd heartily recommend both.

I've been doing 3x weekly boxing sessions for my last powerlifting training cycle (8 weeks). I lost 2.5kg, look significantly leaner and my powerlifting total went up by 20kg. My fitness level is a world apart from where I was. I did my powerlifting meet this morning (meet went from 9:30am to 1pm) and went straight to boxing conditioning class afterwards. Felt great!

Post: #317

So post hernia recoup means I'm in Phuket for three weeks with the GF.

After three days sitting by the pool I was starting to feel (and look) fat and couldn't stand the thought of another minute doing nothing so decided I'd pop along to a couple of (world renowned lol) camps for a 1-on-1 to burn off the beer calories.

It's been two years since I was last in Thailand and I had forgotten quite how robotic and poor the standard of coaching here actually is, especially given that the price is really quite high given the location.

Nothing more frustrating than being told you punch wrong for an hour

I just want them to shut the fuck up and hold the pads!

Post: #318

Dupe

Post: #319

(04-26-2015 02:11 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I'm still a boxing n00b, but if anyone is interested in the answer for "can I lift heavy and box?" I think the answer is a resounding yes, and I'd heartily recommend both.

I've been doing 3x weekly boxing sessions for my last powerlifting training cycle (8 weeks). I lost 2.5kg, look significantly leaner and my powerlifting total went up by 20kg. My fitness level is a world apart from where I was. I did my powerlifting meet this morning (meet went from 9:30am to 1pm) and went straight to boxing conditioning class afterwards. Felt great!

I dont know how it is in the US, but here in Mexico, most boxing trainers tell you not to lift heavy weights, they make you slow, thats why most mexican boxers you see arent really muscular, they focus more on technique, head movement and footwork.

This mexican boxer in the video is a fatass, but look at his foot movement and hands, he destroyed that dude, i would focus more on that, than lifting heavy weights.

Post: #320

(04-26-2015 09:04 AM)eL-JJ Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 02:11 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I'm still a boxing n00b, but if anyone is interested in the answer for "can I lift heavy and box?" I think the answer is a resounding yes, and I'd heartily recommend both.

I've been doing 3x weekly boxing sessions for my last powerlifting training cycle (8 weeks). I lost 2.5kg, look significantly leaner and my powerlifting total went up by 20kg. My fitness level is a world apart from where I was. I did my powerlifting meet this morning (meet went from 9:30am to 1pm) and went straight to boxing conditioning class afterwards. Felt great!

I dont know how it is in the US, but here in Mexico, most boxing trainers tell you not to lift heavy weights, they make you slow, thats why most mexican boxers you see arent really muscular, they focus more on technique, head movement and footwork.

This mexican boxer in the video is a fatass, but look at his foot movement and hands, he destroyed that dude, i would focus more on that, than lifting heavy weights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsMbpt5ix0

Strikeback is a weightlifter first and foremost though.

Post: #321

Yeah that's right, I didn't make it clear. I was posting from a perspective of "can boxing complement heavy lifting training?" (similar to what the OP was wondering) than the other way around i.e "will heavy lifting improve your boxing?"

Post: #322

And in 1243 they thought the world was flat. Things change. Old school boxing trainers being ignorant to strength and conditioning methods is nothing new. A lot of top boxers lift weights. It doesn't make you slow when done correctly.

Post: #323

^^^^^
Damn that video was hard to watch. He could've killed that guy with any one of those bombs or that knee once he was knocked out.

And I don't buy that white guy's story either. His body language was terrible, he was clearly just trying to sound like a badass

Post: #324

Well thats what mexican trainers say, and they produce champions, but you are right, when done right lifting normal weights help, i was talking about ''heavy'' weights.

Post: #325

(04-26-2015 09:52 PM)eL-JJ Wrote:  Well thats what mexican trainers say, and they produce champions, but you are right, when done right lifting normal weights help, i was talking about ''heavy'' weights.

I am talking about "heavy" weights. Lifting heavy is what makes you stronger and more explosive. There's a point of diminishing returns, but the quickest and most efficient way for a novice lifter to increase his explosiveness is by increasing his maximal strength. So for an athlete with little weight lifting experience who wants to increase his speed, power and explosiveness, one of the best ways to do that is to increase his maximal strength, and the best way to do that is by lifting heavy weights.

Mexican trainers product a lot of champions, but that doesn't mean they know everything there is to know about strength and conditioning for fighters.

Floyd Mayweather Sr. had PBF do his roadwork wearing combat boots when he was training him, and that's dumb as fuck. Floyd Sr. is still one of the best boxing trainers out there, but he makes mistakes and is misinformed about certain topics, just like everyone else.

A lot of athletes succeed inspire of their training methods, not because of them.