Post: #451

(10-04-2015 10:18 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 04:03 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 09:20 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  - Do not lean back when defending! Moving slightly back and out of range is way better. But I also need to immediately move to the side and out, else I'd get cornered.

This is one of the toughest thing to coach out of people. I see it all the time and people do it because it's the natural thing to try and do.

It amazes me how many pro fighters end up getting KO'd doing the "lighthouse defence" as I call it.

My trainer gets on me for moving slightly back, he prefers that I move back in the direction of my back shoulder if that makes sense. If you move back in a straight line where you are still in front of the guy, if he is good, from what I have been told, he will just cover the ground you gave up and hit you.

If you go in the direction of your shoulder (for me it is my right shoulder) it slides me out of being directly in front of the guy. I am not saying my trainer knows everything, but it is how I am being trained.

Some quick guys (from what I have seen), lean in to draw the guy out so they can lean back and then counter. Sadly, I am not that quick to try that with any sort of confidence.

Just my two greenish pennies.

Defending going backwards in straight lines is never a good idea.

I'm specifically referring to guys going back and upright and planting their feet. Often their guard doesn't come up with their head either.

Moving back and then countering forward is different as the feet are not both under the fighter, leaving them nowhere to go.

Post: #452

(10-04-2015 11:00 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  My advice, for what it's worth would be to go once for the first couple of weeks if really out of shape and combine that with long walks.

Thanks already to samsamsam and CBW for the quick advice, much appreciated. Your reply made me think, maybe by Anglo standards I´m not even that much out of shape. We have great public transportation here and I walk a lot everyday, it´s normal. Also I play basketball three times a week at the university´s sport institute. It´s just that I´m a bit flabby around the stomach and I can´t even remember the last time I lifted weights and I reckon that boxing training is very intense and demanding. Currently I weigh 82 kg at 185 cm.

You guys are right, I´m probably a bit too enthusiastic and shouldn´t go too hard too soon. Probably one hour every session is enough, just like if I´d start lifting in the gym. The instructors will give me an appropriate assessment anyway.
Will keep you guys updated.

Post: #453

(10-04-2015 11:52 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 11:00 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  My advice, for what it's worth would be to go once for the first couple of weeks if really out of shape and combine that with long walks.

Thanks already to samsamsam and CBW for the quick advice, much appreciated. Your reply made me think, maybe by Anglo standards I´m not even that much out of shape. We have great public transportation here and I walk a lot everyday, it´s normal. Also I play basketball three times a week at the university´s sport institute. It´s just that I´m a bit flabby around the stomach and I can´t even remember the last time I lifted weights and I reckon that boxing training is very intense and demanding. Currently I weigh 82 kg at 185 cm.

You guys are right, I´m probably a bit too enthusiastic and shouldn´t go too hard too soon. Probably one hour every session is enough, just like if I´d start lifting in the gym. The instructors will give me an appropriate assessment anyway.
Will keep you guys updated.

Yeah, that's not out of shape haha.

In that case, do 2 x 1 hour classes for a while and build it up.

Post: #454

So that whole not moving straight back thing was from a sparring session I had with a mate who's been boxing a year-ish longer than me. He's also a bigger guy, and I got schooled that night.

I sparred him again last Tuesday night (mid-night, in the park!) and this time I was moving around a lot more, back and to the side to get out of corners, jabbing back hard and landing a few good powershots, mostly to the body. We went 3-4 rounds and I felt much more confident this time! It also helped that we went social dancing before that so I was already warmed up with rhythmic movements.

In general, I'm enjoying moving around a lot more than before.

We have an interclub competition in mid-late November. In 4 weeks time coach will see if I'm ready for that.

On Sunday I went to watch the state amateur finals, which some members from my club fought in. The ones around my weight class (welterweight) are really good. No surprise there as they have a bigger pool to draw from, just like in powerlifting. On the way back, I thought I must do more shadow boxing, and I headed to the gym first thing this morning to do just that. Gonna do this every morning before work, for about 30-40 mins. I was trying to do this after powerlifting but the quality and consistency have been poor as I am too tired by then.

Post: #455

Does anyone here practice running backwards?

I've been playing a lot of tennis lately and the front of my legs (shin area, tibialis muscle I believe, and along the ankle) are getting pounded.

I did some browsing and people are saying Muhammad Ali would run laps backwards.

I'm going to increase my jump rope activity and see if this helps.

Post: #456

All fighting ultimately comes down to footwork.

Post: #457

Been watching Marvin Cookś videos on stance and footwork. It gives me better checks and focuses for my shadow boxing and has improved my balance significantly. Specifically, I like his ¨blind man stance¨ and the quick squat down during shadow boxing to check balance. He also shows how just a small half-step can do a lot of good, in both offense and defense. Best live example: watching GGG do his business.

Sparred my mate again in the park and landed a lot more punches this time. Heś getting worried at this rate if he doesnt train harder I will spank him soon.

Iḿ hungry for more partners to spar against (controlled, so we can both learn).

Post: #458

Need some advice on equipment:
What mouth guard is the best for boxing except the custom type?
I wanna try the mexican style hand wraps, what brand should I order?

Post: #459

(11-11-2015 12:46 PM)boets Wrote:  Need some advice on equipment:
What mouth guard is the best for boxing except the custom type?
I wanna try the mexican style hand wraps, what brand should I order?

OPro here in the UK are decent, about £20 for a half decent mouthguard.

Mexican handwraps (whilst being the best type of handwrap) are still just stretchy fabric. Buy the cheapest pair on ebay or amazon and you should be fine.

Post: #460

My mouthguard is custom fit and came free with my private health insurance.

Post: #461

I got one of these http://www.gladiatorguards.com/

Post: #462

Been watching lots of Olympic boxing as I want to do interclub soon and eventually amateur.

Two observations so far:

- So many guys got robbed!
- So many southpaws in recent years! Every match has at least one southpaw, sometimes two. I don't think I've seen a match between two orthodox boxers yet.

Post: #463

I'm getting back into boxing after an absence. A couple of things I am noticing.

1) My accuracy is off, granted I am just a couple sessions in. But I hate landing on my pinky, ring finger. There is such a significant difference in power landed and comfort when I land my punches properly.
2) I am generalizing here, but it seems newer guys (I'll include myself) are always thinking head shots. But wicked damage can be landed with body shots. And it seems with new guys we tend to leave the body exposed. Sadly, I think I land a much better right handed body shot than a left handed one, but the right handed shot exposes me to a left hook. My trainer is always emphasizing tight and controlled. Tight not as in stiff but as in a compact presentation, elbow tucked, etc. I don't blame him, I am not good enough to free form. But it just means I need to work on the left body shot.

But I have seen plenty of guys in matches get their bodies broken up by body shots. I have heard a few commentators mention that once the body is broken down, the boxer loses power in his punches. Having not been in that position, I can't confirm. But it seems to make sense if your core is beaten up it would be hard to gather all your muscles to attack.

Post: #464

If you've never been hit by a hard body shot...pray it stays that way Sam! It's a horrible feeling.

The reason most beginners don't think about body shots is that they aren't experienced/fit enough to be thinking ahead...most people will not just let you hit them in the kidneys. You have to work the opening like a chess grandmaster, thinking moves ahead and testing your opponents reactions to other punches that may expose the body.

Initially I tell my fighters to stop thinking of the jab as a weapon in itself and think of it more as a "guard mover" when trying to teach them how to open up an opponent. We work on aiming the jab at all different parts of the head, body and arms of their partner in order to move the guard, disguise footwork and expose somewhere we want to hit.

If you have a naturally good right hook check out

video of Tyson throwing his legendary Right body Hook, Right Uppercut combo. Something to think about

Post: #465

After taking a few hard body shots, it's very hard to breathe well, so you have vastly reduced punching power. That is my experience after taking a few body shots lately doing in-fighting training.

Post: #466

A good muscular endurance program for you guys. I haven't done it yet, but the author, Joel Jamieson, has worked with a lot of top fighters and athletes.

http://www.8weeksout.com/2008/10/17/secr...endurance/
http://www.8weeksout.com/phpBB3/viewtopi...f=6&t=1302

Quote:"To measure how well the muscular endurance program effectively improves your muscular endurance you have to have a standardized assessment that you can use to gauge progress. For the purposes of this program the following two assessments of muscular endurance will be used:

Maximum push-ups: Perform as many push-ups as possible with perfect technique. There is no time limit, simply do as many as you can until you reach muscular failure. Post this number on this board and write it down.

Explosive push-ups: Perform as many explosive push-ups as you can in 20 seconds. Each push up must be off the ground, as soon as you unable to leave the ground your test is complete. Post the number on this board and then write it down.
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Week One Workouts

Postby Joel on Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:54 pm
As promised here are the first two workouts for the Muscular Endurance Program:

Workout One:

Tempo Method Push-ups
4 sets x 8-10 reps,
45 seconds rest
2 series (8-10 minutes active rest between series)

Workout Two (three days after workout one)

Tempo Method Push-ups
5 sets x 8-10 reps
45 seconds rest
1 series

Week One notes:
- 2 series means do 4 sets of 8-10 reps, then actively rest for 8-10 minutes and do another 4 sets of 8-10 reps for a total of 8 sets.
- Active rest can be shadow boxing, jump rope, light bag/pad work, sled dragging, etc.
- If possible, do this workout as a separate workout from your other training activities, but if that's not possible then do at the end of your MMA training.
- Go as close to complete muscular failure on each set as you can, finish them on your knees if you have to in order to finish all the reps. Many people will have to do this at first.
- Make sure to use the 2-2 tempo with no rest pause at top or bottom and DO NOT hold your breath
- If you can get all the sets and reps with no problem then use bench press instead
- If you're going to do lower body instead, replace the tempo push-ups with squats
- Do not rest more than the 45 seconds.
- If you feel an intense burning in your arms, shoulders, and pecs, you are doing it right.
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Week Two Workouts

New postby Joel on Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:08 pm
Here is the 2nd week of the program:

Workout One:

Tempo Method Push-ups
5 sets x 8-10 reps,
40 seconds rest
2 series (8-10 minutes active rest between series)

Workout Two (one to two days after workout one)

Continuous heavy bag work (no rest)
Moderate intensity (HR 120-150) heavy bag/pad work for 15 minutes
Upper body only

Workout Three (three days after workout one)

Tempo Method Push-ups
6 sets x 8-10 reps
40 seconds rest
1 series

Week Two notes:

Notice the decreased rest interval and the extra sets for workouts one and three

For workout two you want to maintain a moderate pace throwing punches with no long rest periods between punches

If you don't train MMA or any stand up you can skip workout two

You can also optionally repeat workout two again after doing workout three

I recommend taking in 20-30g of whey protein isolate prior to the workout if possible.

2 series means do 4 sets of 8-10 reps, then actively rest for 8-10 minutes and do another 4 sets of 8-10 reps for a total of 8 sets.

Active rest can be shadow boxing, jump rope, light bag/pad work, sled dragging, etc.

If possible, do this workout as a separate workout from your other training activities, but if that's not possible then do at the end of your MMA training.

Go as close to complete muscular failure on each set as you can, finish them on your knees if you have to in order to finish all the reps. Many people will have to do this at first.

Make sure to use the 2-2 tempo with no rest pause at top or bottom and DO NOT hold your breath

If you can get all the sets and reps with no problem then use bench press instead

If you're going to do lower body instead, replace the tempo push-ups with squats

Do not rest more than the 40 seconds.

If you feel an intense burning in your arms, shoulders, and pecs, you are doing it right.
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Week Three marks the start of the explosive method instead of the tempo method. Generally, you want to use the tempo method for 2 weeks at a time before an off week. You should feel a different type of fatigue from the explosive method than you did with the tempo method. With that said, here's the workouts:

Workout One

Explosive Push-ups

4 sets x 10 seconds
40 seconds rest
2 series

Workout Two (one to two days after workout one)

Continuous heavy bag work (no rest)
Moderate intensity (HR 120-150) heavy bag/pad work for 20 minutes
Upper body only

Workout Three

Explosive Push-ups
5 sets x 10 seconds
40 seconds rest
1 series

Week Three notes:

Be as explosive as you can for each and every rep, if you can no longer get off the ground then do them off your kness and be as explosive as you can.

Notice the time of work is increased in workout 2 by 5 minutes

If you don't train MMA or any stand up you can skip workout two

You can also optionally repeat workout two again after doing workout three

I recommend taking in 20-30g of whey protein isolate prior to the workout if possible.

2 series means do 4 sets of 8-10 reps, then actively rest for 8-10 minutes and do another 4 sets of 8-10 reps for a total of 8 sets.

Active rest can be shadow boxing, jump rope, light bag/pad work, sled dragging, etc.

If possible, do this workout as a separate workout from your other training activities, but if that's not possible then do at the end of your MMA training.

Go as close to complete muscular failure on each set as you can, finish them on your knees if you have to in order to finish all the reps. Many people will have to do this at first.

Do not rest more than the 40 seconds.
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Week Four is an increase in volume of explosive endurance work along with the return of the Tempo Method for workout #2. You should notice a definite increase in the difficulty of the exmplosive method given the increase in volume and decrease in rest time. Here's the workouts:

Workout One

Explosive Push-ups

6 sets x 12 seconds
35 seconds rest
2 series

Workout Two (one to two days after workout one)

Tempo Method Push-ups
4 sets x 8-10 reps
35 seconds rest between
2 series

Workout Three

Explosive Push-ups
6 sets x 10 seconds
35 seconds rest
1 series

Week Four notes:

Be as explosive as you can for each and every rep, if you can no longer get off the ground then do them off your kness and be as explosive as you can.

Notice the decreased rest intervals and increased reps where noted.

I recommend taking in 20-30g of whey protein isolate prior to the workout if possible.

2 series means do 4 sets of 8-10 reps, then actively rest for 8-10 minutes and do another 4 sets of 8-10 reps for a total of 8 sets.

Active rest can be shadow boxing, jump rope, light bag/pad work, sled dragging, etc.

If possible, do this workout as a separate workout from your other training activities, but if that's not possible then do at the end of your MMA training.

Go as close to complete muscular failure on each set as you can, finish them on your knees if you have to in order to finish all the reps. Many people will have to do this at first.

Do not rest more than the time listed.
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Week Five Workouts

New postby Joel on Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:07 am
Week Five is again an increase in volume of explosive endurance work along with a single workout of the Tempo Method. Here's the workouts:

Workout One

Explosive Push-ups

8 sets x 15 seconds
30 seconds rest
2 series

Workout Two (one to two days after workout one)

Tempo Method Push-ups
5 sets x 8-10 reps
30 seconds rest between
2 series

Workout Three

Explosive Push-ups
6 sets x 12 seconds
30 seconds rest
1 series

Week Five notes:

Be as explosive as you can for each and every rep, if you can no longer get off the ground then do them off your kness and be as explosive as you can.

Notice the decreased rest intervals and increased reps where noted.

I recommend taking in 20-30g of whey protein isolate prior to the workout if possible.

2 series means do 4 sets of 8-10 reps, then actively rest for 8-10 minutes and do another 4 sets of 8-10 reps for a total of 8 sets.

Active rest can be shadow boxing, jump rope, light bag/pad work, sled dragging, etc.

If possible, do this workout as a separate workout from your other training activities, but if that's not possible then do at the end of your MMA training.

Go as close to complete muscular failure on each set as you can, finish them on your knees if you have to in order to finish all the reps. Many people will have to do this at first.

Do not rest more than the time listed.
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Week Six Workouts

New postby Joel on Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:53 am
Week Six marks the end of the road for this program. At the beginning of next week everyone can retest and post their results. Anyone who followed the program exactly as written should see significant improvements in their numbers. Notice the change in volume and rest intervals for this week. There will also be no tempo method this week. Here's the week six workouts:

Workout One

Explosive Push-ups

5 sets x 15 seconds
20 seconds rest
2 series

Workout Two (three days after workout one)

Explosive Push-ups
5 sets x 12 seconds
20 seconds rest
1 series

Week Six notes:

Be as explosive as you can for each and every rep, if you can no longer get off the ground then do them off your kness and be as explosive as you can.

Notice the decreased rest intervals and increased reps where noted.

I recommend taking in 20-30g of whey protein isolate prior to the workout if possible.

2 series means do 4 sets of 8-10 reps, then actively rest for 8-10 minutes and do another 4 sets of 8-10 reps for a total of 8 sets.

Active rest can be shadow boxing, jump rope, light bag/pad work, sled dragging, etc.

If possible, do this workout as a separate workout from your other training activities, but if that's not possible then do at the end of your MMA training.

Go as close to complete muscular failure on each set as you can, finish them on your knees if you have to in order to finish all the reps. Many people will have to do this at first.

Do not rest more than the time listed."

Post: #467

I do this some mornings. When I do it consistently for 2-3 weeks I notice a big difference in my muscular endurance.

Post: #468

(11-12-2015 10:53 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  If you have a naturally good right hook check out ...video of Tyson throwing his legendary Right body Hook, Right Uppercut combo. Something to think about

Well I'm right handed it is hand/arm I control the best. But I don't ever see orthodox boxers throw many right handed hooks. So it isn't something I get to throw on mitts. My trainer never tells me to throw a right hook. Come to think of it, I seem like I work on my left mainly.

I need to bring my body shot in at an angle more so it is sort of 45 degrees and driving up into the guy rather than straight in (parallel to the ground). Or at least that is what I am told. Just a work in progress.

I have learned that you can't hold a guys arm but you can move it. And that when you move it, sometimes guys pull back too hard (to get it back to where it was) and go past the spot and an opening appears.

Edit: Holy Fuck CBW that Tyson vid. Seems like he did that when he was in close, maybe he was not as concerned as being exposed to the hook. Would love to be able to be that explosive some day.

Post: #469

I'd love to do that Tyson combo, as I naturally have strong right body hook and right uppercut. I'm not really using them in sparring though (or with any power, I'm mostly doing light sparring), only on the pads and bags.

Post: #470

Since you're already talking about hooks, when I train when a do a semi hard hook into the pads my elbow/forearm experiences some pain. While the coaches are profighters themselves they've checked my form and didn't see anything glaringly obvious and any further detailed assistance is a bit above my language level. Any ideas as to why that sort of pain would occur?

Post: #471

(11-13-2015 02:51 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  Since you're already talking about hooks, when I train when a do a semi hard hook into the pads my elbow/forearm experiences some pain. While the coaches are profighters themselves they've checked my form and didn't see anything glaringly obvious and any further detailed assistance is a bit above my language level. Any ideas as to why that sort of pain would occur?

It's just simply strain on the elbow when throwing a long hook (a technique that my newest Thai friends refuse to accept exists haha).

If you think about it the elbow joint is experiencing both the rotational force of your shoulder/body and also the resistance from the pad.

Post: #472

(11-12-2015 11:21 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Holy Fuck CBW that Tyson vid. Seems like he did that when he was in close, maybe he was not as concerned as being exposed to the hook. Would love to be able to be that explosive some day.

Tyson had an advantage over most heavyweights when it came to infighting like that...being shorter than them.

This enabled him to execute D'Amato's "peekaboo" defence beautifully.

Here's another vid

Post: #473

crash - Mike's evasion technique on Mitch Green was unwordly..geez!

Post: #474

My favourite part of that video is the last two seconds. Cus sums it all up.


Moma...I get really pissy with people that claim that Tyson wasn't a technical boxer, yada yada. His defence was imperious.


EDIT: It was Tyson Vs Bruno (the great British HW hope of the 80s) that ignited my love for boxing. I was 4/5 years old when that fight took place and it mesmerised me when I watched it with my dad (a big boxing fan).

Post: #475

(11-13-2015 05:45 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  My favourite part of that video is the last two seconds. Cus sums it all up.


Moma...I get really pissy with people that claim that Tyson wasn't a technical boxer, yada yada. His defence was imperious.

Absolutely. People seem to underestimate just how good Tyson was at all aspects of boxing in those early years. I am one of those people who thinks early Mike Tyson up to 23 years old was on track to be the greatest heavyweight of all time. The sheer level of skill and athleticism he had is often neglected, and much of his success gets erroneously attributed to how scary he was as a persona. He was technically sublime, as good as any in my view, with excellent defense, skill on the outside that negated the effectiveness of good outside fighters, and an ability to get inside and finish that very few other fighters have ever possessed. Tyson was 'awesome' in the true sense of the word, and only a few other fighters in the history of the sport, at any weightclass, have possessed his raw talent and much (often cruelly) underrated intelligence.