Post: #426

Agree with RioNomad. I'd also suggest that something like Layne Norton's 50/20 method with a sandbag or a keg could be a great method of training for BJJ. I ran that program for a while when all I had access to was a sandbag - did sandbag shoulders, sandbag clean and press, sandbag front squats, and sandbag floor presses, split into pairs (A shoulders, c&p B FS & FP) plus threw in some pressups, chinups and handstand pushups.

It didn't make a huge difference to my barbell lifts, although they definitely got stronger, but it did make me extremely strong in more of a fighting way. It really improved my strength and power through my centre line/trunk, my grip strength and my tenon and ligament strength, as well as giving me very good results for strength conditioning.

It's a great program, particularly if you are short on implements.

Post: #427

This isn't the usual "hey I got punched a bunch in the face" posts

Setting aside my complete lack of skill, which is a big thing to set aside, what prevents a guy who slips a jab and then rolls under the right from throwing/slapping the opponent in the head with a right when rolling left?

I guess the only thing would be if the opponent resets his left hand quickly and at that point you are open for a hook?

Ideally, it seems you stun him with the right and you follow with the hook after coming up from under the roll.

I have been taught to rake the stomach while rolling under. But not what I am proposing.

Just curious.

Thanks for any wisdom you guys are willing to share.

Post: #428

(09-09-2015 04:53 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  This isn't the usual "hey I got punched a bunch in the face" posts

Setting aside my complete lack of skill, which is a big thing to set aside, what prevents a guy who slips a jab and then rolls under the right from throwing/slapping the opponent in the head with a right when rolling left?

I guess the only thing would be if the opponent resets his left hand quickly and at that point you are open for a hook?

Ideally, it seems you stun him with the right and you follow with the hook after coming up from under the roll.

I have been taught to rake the stomach while rolling under. But not what I am proposing.

Just curious.

Thanks for any wisdom you guys are willing to share.

Personally I think it is because it puts you in a mechanically disadvantaged position, and compromises your ability to effectively throw the left hook as you complete your roll through. To slap them with the right involves you reaching up outside your power line to throw an ineffective punch at a target that shouldn't exist at the point you throw the slap - ie, if you're already rolling under the right, your opponent's left should be back on his face already.

Also, when you roll under the right, you are generally trying to get outside of your opponent. Throwing the right in this case would stop you doing so, as any contact from your right would see your roll stall with you inside the opponents line of attack.

When you slip, and then roll under to avoid the 1-2, your aim is always to end up on the outside of your opponents torso, from where you can launch effective strikes against his exposed target area. In doing so, I don't like fighters to throw any kind of right hand - as it defeats the purpose. A smooth and efficient role leaves you in a good position for an effective attack. Throwing the right in this circumstance inhibits your ability to meet your primary goal.

However, in responding to the 1-2, you might choose to mix it up, and employ variations of the slip and roll that bring the right into play, but your purpose in doing so is different, and there are different measures for success. For example, you may wish to slip the lead jab to the outside, feint a lazy jab of your own at the same time to invite the right hand, then do a long right hook to the body under his withdrawing jab, at the same time do a half roll to take you under his right hand. This will still leave you inside the line of his body, making a left hook less desirable, but giving you good options for shovel hooks and uppercuts to the body or head.

Edit, also, if I see that slap coming, I can probably catch your glove on my forearm, and get you off balance, either walking you back, or rocking you clear of my body into a right uppercut.

Post: #429

Not to be an asshole H1N1 but I still can't believe that time where you were a bit too humble about the value you add here. You are like Yoda.

Thanks for the input champ. I think I am in the little knowledge is dangerous mode. And the whole I'm so smart nonsense phase. And just curiosity.

Your post is so smart and is in line with what I have been taught. Deliver damage and minimize the damage received.

Thanks so much.

One these days let's spar with you wearing a blindfold and one arm tied behind your back. I need a little help.

Edit: but the light rake to the stomach seems in line with the roll movement as long as it is not some giant power shot right? Just more of a distraction that is efficient?

Post: #430

(09-09-2015 06:06 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  Not to be an asshole H1N1 but I still can't believe that time where you were a bit too humble about the value you add here. You are like Yoda.

Thanks for the input champ. I think I am in the little knowledge is dangerous mode. And the whole I'm so smart nonsense phase. And just curiosity.

Your post is so smart and is in line with what I have been taught. Deliver damage and minimize the damage received.

Thanks so much.

One these days let's spar with you wearing a blindfold and one arm tied behind your back. I need a little help.

Edit: but the light rake to the stomach seems in line with the roll movement as long as it is not some giant power shot right? Just more of a distraction that is efficient?

Thanks for the kind words brother, and your continuing generosity. I lived and breathed boxing for a long time, and really studied it obsessively, so I'm glad it's not all wasted!

The little knowledge stage is usually pretty short lived in boxing, because some bastard will punch you in the mouth regularly until you obtain enlightenment! I have no doubt with your curiosity, and willingness to ask these questions that you'll pass through to mastery sooner rather than later.

It'd be my privilege to spar with you should the situation arise, although then it might be you who needs handicapping.

I'm personally not a fan of the light rake, but I don't think it is wrong if others are. It also depends how the fight is panning out. I actually think the light rake is most effective as an excuse to run the point of your elbow across your opponents ribs, in a situation where the guy is taking liberties and noone is doing anything to stop it.

I don't think, having had it done to me numerous times, that the light rake is going to do a lot to cause an experienced fighter to drop his guard. Anyone with any experience will be aware that the big left hook over the top is coming, and will not be so easily tricked. You also run the risk that if the guy has good footwork, and realises his right is missing you, then he might already be getting on his bike, leaving you reaching for what is already not a terribly effective shot. If I knew a guy liked the light rake with the right hand, I might feint the two, and step in hard behind a lead left shovel hook. You'd then be in the position of having your right hand down, for the sake of throwing a shot that's not meant to do any real damage anyway, and be completely exposed (very hard to move back or to the side mid roll) to the left hand shovel. If I was successful doing that, I'd expect to score a cheap knockdown against you, either with the left, or from the fact that I'd be likely to have you right where I wanted for an overhand right.

It sounds like I'm saying the rake is wrong, but I don't think it is without merit. As ever with boxing, the danger really is in doing anything as a set rule (ie, when slipping and rolling the 1-2 you throw the light rake). Were you to slip the first 1-2, and do the light rake, I might see the obvious left hand coming and avoid it, but I might also think you were a guy vulnerable to the kind of counter I mentioned in the last paragraph. If you throw the light rake, and were content not to land effectively with the left, precisely because next time you think I'll go for a lead shovel, then that might be a good trapping move. The next time you slipped outside, and went under for the roll, you might very effectively land the other variation I mentioned in my previous post - ie, the big right hook to the body with the half roll - as my lead hand would be in the wrong position leaving plenty of meat for you to hit. The point being though that doing the roll and rake a second time there would get you smashed, but if you're canny, that first roll and rake might set you up very nicely for something similar, but sufficiently different to see you win the exchange.

Post: #431

Damn. I'm just gonna keep it simple. Rely on solid technique and screw these little things. I still struggle being consistent in all basic phases. I'll have moments of glory mixed with my trainer looking at me to see if I have been drinking.

One last question (for at least an hour). Do you like the 1-2 left body shot and then left hook? The body shot is a quick not solid one or do I run into the experienced boxer not giving a shit?

I'm mainly just trying to figure out stuff against my own levels and a dreaded street encounter. Thanks.

Post: #432

(09-09-2015 07:04 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  Damn. I'm just gonna keep it simple. Rely on solid technique and screw these little things. I still struggle being consistent in all basic phases. I'll have moments of glory mixed with my trainer looking at me to see if I have been drinking.

One last question (for at least an hour). Do you like the 1-2 left body shot and then left hook? The body shot is a quick not solid one or do I run into the experienced boxer not giving a shit?

I'm mainly just trying to figure out stuff against my own levels and a dreaded street encounter. Thanks.

That's ok man, we all struggle with the basics long into our careers, and all have those days where we feel like we're boxing on a bosu ball.

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, are you talking about a 1-2-3 where the 1 is a body shot? If so, I'd want any fighter I coached to step in hard behind that and make it meaningful, unless it was a feint - only travelling half the distance or so. Generally I don't like light jabs to the body, as a jab to the body puts you in a more vulnerable position than a jab to the head, and it's important that any action you do in those circumstances is decisive.

If you're asking about a 1-2-1-3, where the second jab is a touch to the body before throwing a lead hook, then I think that isn't the best combination. You don't generally want to be on the inside throwing tippy tap punches. To throw a short jab with nothing behind it and then try to hook off the jab (a difficult combo to get serious power into), is to get yourself in a good position and then essentially pick punches that minimise your ability to capitalise on the opportunity you've created for yourself. What you might do in this situation is throw the 1-2, then throw a short 5 (lead shovel) to the solar plexus, hard enough to make him bring that right arm across, but it's really a distracting punch to then let you slam that 3 into his liver with the gap you created. So the combo looks like 1-2-5 (short/70% power/commitment) -3.

Something like that could be pretty devastating if you get your feet and body positioning right - so you're on the right track I think with your thinking, if I've understood you properly.

Also, I understand what you're saying about getting on with guys your own level, but I think that'll soon change for you. Everyone goes through the stage your in now where you're mostly just trying to survive, and you'd be happy to leave the ring just not having taken a beating from a guy who isn't much anyway. But you'll find someday everything just clicks, and almost over night a lot of fighters 'just get it', and suddenly they have their skills and are comfortable in the ring, and then you start thinking about how to do what you're doing better.

As far as the street altercation goes, I'm loathe to offer advice on that on an open forum, but if you'd like to talk more about it over PM I'm very happy to discuss it - Disclaimer I'm not some street fighting badass, I am simply fascinated by violence and its judicial application, and have done what I can to further my effectiveness in this arena.

Post: #433

I am fascinated by it also, my ego says I would be amazing but I know I am going to do everything I can to stay out of a fight. No good outcome except if my family and real friends are at risk.

It was more a 1-2, then left body shot followed by left hook. 1-2, down and then up.

I am going to re-read both your posts with a sharper eye when I have more time.

I am sure I will be smarter from it.

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my random ass questions today.

I don't care what Mayweather says about you

Edit: I am going to have to google the numbers for the punches. I only know 1-2-3. Not sure what a 5 (shovel) is but I am sure this is something good to know. Could be I have learned it but just not taught the numbering system.

Post: #434

(09-09-2015 12:05 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I am fascinated by it also, my ego says I would be amazing but I know I am going to do everything I can to stay out of a fight. No good outcome except if my family and real friends are at risk.

It was more a 1-2, then left body shot followed by left hook. 1-2, down and then up.

I am going to re-read both your posts with a sharper eye when I have more time.

I am sure I will be smarter from it.

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my random ass questions today.

I don't care what Mayweather says about you

Edit: I am going to have to google the numbers for the punches. I only know 1-2-3. Not sure what a 5 (shovel) is but I am sure this is something good to know. Could be I have learned it but just not taught the numbering system.

No problem. I love to talk about boxing, and boxing strategy. If I had a more significant amateur pedigree I'd love to coach (amateurs, for free), as I think it's something I'd be quite good at.

The 5 is just halfway between a hook and an uppercut, thrown like a hook, where you don't bring your elbow up to be parallel with the floor - it is more of a hook with your elbow and forearm at 45 degrees to the floor.

Post: #435

(09-09-2015 02:06 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 12:05 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I am fascinated by it also, my ego says I would be amazing but I know I am going to do everything I can to stay out of a fight. No good outcome except if my family and real friends are at risk.

It was more a 1-2, then left body shot followed by left hook. 1-2, down and then up.

I am going to re-read both your posts with a sharper eye when I have more time.

I am sure I will be smarter from it.

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my random ass questions today.

I don't care what Mayweather says about you

Edit: I am going to have to google the numbers for the punches. I only know 1-2-3. Not sure what a 5 (shovel) is but I am sure this is something good to know. Could be I have learned it but just not taught the numbering system.

No problem. I love to talk about boxing, and boxing strategy. If I had a more significant amateur pedigree I'd love to coach (amateurs, for free), as I think it's something I'd be quite good at.

The 5 is just halfway between a hook and an uppercut, thrown like a hook, where you don't bring your elbow up to be parallel with the floor - it is more of a hook with your elbow and forearm at 45 degrees to the floor.

Here's the key for orthodox fighters:
1. Jab
2. Straight right hand/reverse punch
3. Left hook
4. Right hook/overhand right
5. Left uppercut
6. Right uppercut

If a punch is to the body, it has the same numerical code, but the letter B is added, for example, the left hook to the body (liver) is a 3B.

Having all of these punches in your arsenal is great, but there are guys who have made their way all to the top by having four, three, or even two of them. My best punches are my straight right hand and right hook. I have a jab, but it is much, much slower and weaker than it was when I was younger. I can throw all of those punches to the head and the body. I don't have much of a left hook and I never learned how to throw an uppercut.

Post: #436

Is it common for an orthodox fighter to throw a right hook?

I want to sometimes but my trainer says no.

He says maybe if you are Russian (I guess they teach this to their boxers?)

He wants me to stay on the basics (I don't blame him).

But there are times it seems a right hook would be nice to have, BUT BUT BUT, I could be missing something like how it my expose me or something. My short sightedness and lack of tremendous boxing knowledge is pretty obvious.

Post: #437

(09-09-2015 03:01 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Is it common for an orthodox fighter to throw a right hook?

I want to sometimes but my trainer says no.

He says maybe if you are Russian (I guess they teach this to their boxers?)

He wants me to stay on the basics (I don't blame him).

But there are times it seems a right hook would be nice to have, BUT BUT BUT, I could be missing something like how it my expose me or something. My short sightedness and lack of tremendous boxing knowledge is pretty obvious.

I don't see why it wouldn't be. An orthodox fighter's right hook should be stronger, maybe much stronger than his left hook. Some exceptions I know of are Arturo Gatti, Danny Garcia, and Oscar De La Hoya. Gatti had so many injuries to his right hand that his left hand was eventually more effective than his right hand. Garcia is probably somewhat ambidextrous and he has said that everyone in his mother's family is left handed. De La Hoya was a converted southpaw. He fought in an orthodox stance, but does most or all other things with his left hand. A right hook is very effective against an orthodox fighter, just like a left hook is very effective against a southpaw. The most important punches against a southpaw are the straight right hand and the left hook. I'm not really sure what your trainer is talking about.

Post: #438

(09-09-2015 03:07 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 03:01 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Is it common for an orthodox fighter to throw a right hook?

I want to sometimes but my trainer says no.

He says maybe if you are Russian (I guess they teach this to their boxers?)

He wants me to stay on the basics (I don't blame him).

But there are times it seems a right hook would be nice to have, BUT BUT BUT, I could be missing something like how it my expose me or something. My short sightedness and lack of tremendous boxing knowledge is pretty obvious.

I don't see why it wouldn't be. An orthodox fighter's right hook should be stronger, maybe much stronger than his left hook. Some exceptions I know of are Arturo Gatti, Danny Garcia, and Oscar De La Hoya. Gatti had so many injuries to his right hand that his left hand was eventually more effective than his right hand. Garcia is probably somewhat ambidextrous and he has said that everyone in his mother's family is left handed. De La Hoya was a converted southpaw. He fought in an orthodox stance, but does most or all other things with his left hand. A right hook is very effective against an orthodox fighter, just like a left hook is very effective against a southpaw. The most important punches against a southpaw are the straight right hand and the left hook. I'm not really sure what your trainer is talking about.

I think the issue over the right hook, with the distance it travels, is that it isn't what you might term a beginner's punch. It would be very easy to turn it into a wild swing, or to leave yourself exposed with it. Of all the punches, I think the right hook takes the most careful setup and timing. It's the one I've seen the most amateurs get caught out with, because if they choose when to deploy it unwisely, they are extremely susceptible to the left hook of their opponent. I think, as you say, it is a very effective punch - one I liked to use myself, but in my view it is one that is best approached only when the fundamentals are sound.


Thank you for explaining the numbering system. I try to use it online for ease of conveying the punches, but it wasn't used in either of the gyms I've boxed out of, and it seems to be more of an American thing - my trainers always just called the punches by name, so I've not been sure I was using it correctly - apparently with good reason!

Post: #439

The distance a right hook travels was the main reason my trainer doesn't like it. Since I never do it (well not on purpose in sparring it is whatever is available). He might have also said something about hooking off the back right foot and that wasn't right either. Just trying to recall exactly what he said.

I think he said when you have someone in the corner may be then because you are up against each other the range thing might not be so bad.

But as a noon I got enough to worry about.

But thank you gentlemen for sharing your thoughts. Today was just a dream day. Asking about stuff that is a bit away.

I appreciate your kindness and wisdom.

Post: #440

(09-09-2015 04:53 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  The distance a right hook travels was the main reason my trainer doesn't like it. Since I never do it (well not on purpose in sparring it is whatever is available). He might have also said something about hooking off the back right foot and that wasn't right either. Just trying to recall exactly what he said.

I think he said when you have someone in the corner may be then because you are up against each other the range thing might not be so bad.

But as a noon I got enough to worry about.

But thank you gentlemen for sharing your thoughts. Today was just a dream day. Asking about stuff that is a bit away.

I appreciate your kindness and wisdom.

The right hook is obviously much wider than a jab or a straight right hand, so it is generally easier to see and defend against. Different guys throw the hook wider than others. A lot of people think that the problem that David Lemieux will be having in his October fight with Golovkin is that he throws a lot of wide hooks, which can be easy to see and therefore easy to counter. I'll add that a lot of Puerto Rican trainers teach their guys to move in the direction of the hand with which they are throwing a hook in order to gain more momentum. What I am talking about is moving toward your right when throwing a right hook and moving toward your left when throwing a left hook. If you do this correctly, you should find more force on your hooks.

Post: #441

Got a pair of 10oz gloves (genuine leather, Ringsport / local brand) for pad and bag work. They do make me punch with better techniques, thanks to the suggestions here.

Post: #442

After checking out a guy's sparring gloves (16oz) tonight, I realised that mine are too heavy. They're Hayabusha Tokushu 16+ gloves (I got them as a total n00b and that's what the guy at the MMA store recommended), and as I just weighed them on my kitchen scale, each actually weighs 18oz. Could contribute to my jabs slowing down a little quicker after a few rounds. Also I think I'm not big enough for 18oz gloves (5'7", 157lb, normal-sized hands for my build).

Should I get actual 16oz gloves for sparring, for better hand speed? I hear Rival is good, so I was looking at these: http://www.rivalboxing.com.au/products/r...ptima.html

Might be cheaper options, but money isn't an issue. At the same time, I'm a newbie so I don't want to get beaten up just because I unknowingly buy a fancy pair of gloves.

Post: #443

(09-17-2015 08:40 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  After checking out a guy's sparring gloves (16oz) tonight, I realised that mine are too heavy. They're Hayabusha Tokushu 16+ gloves (I got them as a total n00b and that's what the guy at the MMA store recommended), and as I just weighed them on my kitchen scale, each actually weighs 18oz. Could contribute to my jabs slowing down a little quicker after a few rounds. Also I think I'm not big enough for 18oz gloves (5'7", 157lb, normal-sized hands for my build).

Should I get actual 16oz gloves for sparring, for better hand speed? I hear Rival is good, so I was looking at these: http://www.rivalboxing.com.au/products/r...ptima.html

Might be cheaper options, but money isn't an issue. At the same time, I'm a newbie so I don't want to get beaten up just because I unknowingly buy a fancy pair of gloves.

I would get 16oz ones, yes. 2 extra ounces thrown a hundred times a round, over 6-12 rounds of sparring is a lot of extra weight moved.

Any middle of the road gloves will do, I particularly like Title's stuff, because it lasts a lot longer than other brands in my experience, and is quality. Do make sure the gloves you buy are 16oz sparring gloves, as not all 16oz are created equal (some have more weight in the padded area that hits your opponent's face, some have more weight in the wrist and back of the glove. It can make a big difference to your sparring partners' faces - same reason we're not supposed to do bag work with sparring gloves.

Post: #444

Cheers mate. I can't find any shop here (even on ebay) that has Title gloves though. The only options seem to be from the US which kill me on shipping. They're so damn cheap in America too!

I'll grab those Rival gloves then.

Post: #445

Because I'm enjoying boxing so much, I've switched my training around so that I powerlift 3 days and box 5 days a week (there are overlapping days).

I learned a few things this past 2 weeks:

- Foot care: there is a lot of moving around in boxing, more so than in indoor soccer which I've played for many years! I need to take better care of my feet (blisters) and shoes so I can keep moving. Just bought some good sport socks, and will be using the massage ball on my feet daily.

- Slow controlled sparring: this should be the main part of my training. I feel I learn the most from that, as I have time to read and react to the right stimuli. Did this yesterday with a couple of training partners: just jab and move, just straight punches, 3-punch combo you-go I-go, same but with the defensive one throwing a punch right at the end of the other guy's combo to ensure the attacker keeps his hand up and moves out of the way after the combo. We already do this in the classes, but in the free sparring sessions, we (me and fellow newbies) tend to be unstructured and all over the place.

- Do not lean back when defending! Moving slightly back and out of range is way better. But I also need to immediately move to the side and out, else I'd get cornered.

- Throw the combo then immediately move out of the way

- Make my jabs scarier.

Post: #446

(09-19-2015 09:20 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  - Do not lean back when defending! Moving slightly back and out of range is way better. But I also need to immediately move to the side and out, else I'd get cornered.

This is one of the toughest thing to coach out of people. I see it all the time and people do it because it's the natural thing to try and do.

It amazes me how many pro fighters end up getting KO'd doing the "lighthouse defence" as I call it.

Post: #447

Finally got my ass up and sent a request for a test training to a box club near me. I don´t have an interest in boxing specifically, just in martial arts.
But here in Vienna martial arts training is a luxury product priced for high income urban white collar workers, and boxing is the only thing I can and want to afford as a student, it would cost 230€ a year. Also this club is only about 10 minutes from my place, so I hope it´s a good one and fits me.
I´m severely out of shape, so I would do it for fitness reasons in the beginning, and if successful I´d like to do some amateur fights.
I did two years of Sanshou and remember that the first few weeks I used to throw up after training as it was so exhausting, if I start boxing I´m pretty sure I´ll have to go through that phase again, not exactly looking forward to that. But I really miss the sensation of fighting, hard to describe.

I´m planning to go three times a week for about two hours each time, would this be sufficient to get me on a good level in six months or should I do extra exercises in my remaining free time?

Post: #448

(09-20-2015 04:03 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 09:20 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  - Do not lean back when defending! Moving slightly back and out of range is way better. But I also need to immediately move to the side and out, else I'd get cornered.

This is one of the toughest thing to coach out of people. I see it all the time and people do it because it's the natural thing to try and do.

It amazes me how many pro fighters end up getting KO'd doing the "lighthouse defence" as I call it.

My trainer gets on me for moving slightly back, he prefers that I move back in the direction of my back shoulder if that makes sense. If you move back in a straight line where you are still in front of the guy, if he is good, from what I have been told, he will just cover the ground you gave up and hit you.

If you go in the direction of your shoulder (for me it is my right shoulder) it slides me out of being directly in front of the guy. I am not saying my trainer knows everything, but it is how I am being trained.

Some quick guys (from what I have seen), lean in to draw the guy out so they can lean back and then counter. Sadly, I am not that quick to try that with any sort of confidence.

Just my two greenish pennies.

Post: #449

(10-04-2015 08:28 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  Finally got my ass up and sent a request for a test training to a box club near me. I don´t have an interest in boxing specifically, just in martial arts.
But here in Vienna martial arts training is a luxury product priced for high income urban white collar workers, and boxing is the only thing I can and want to afford as a student, it would cost 230€ a year. Also this club is only about 10 minutes from my place, so I hope it´s a good one and fits me.
I´m severely out of shape, so I would do it for fitness reasons in the beginning, and if successful I´d like to do some amateur fights.
I did two years of Sanshou and remember that the first few weeks I used to throw up after training as it was so exhausting, if I start boxing I´m pretty sure I´ll have to go through that phase again, not exactly looking forward to that. But I really miss the sensation of fighting, hard to describe.

I´m planning to go three times a week for about two hours each time, would this be sufficient to get me on a good level in six months or should I do extra exercises in my remaining free time?

I think everyone is different so it is hard to say. I think it is great that you are doing something and I would celebrate that.

I remember after my first few sessions, I would go home and pass out of after a shower.

I would pace yourself. 2 hours, when you are out of shape may cause injury.

I would be curious what CBW, H1N1, Gio, Kieran and some of the other more experienced guys have to say.

But I wouldn't go nuts into it. If you go crazy trying to do too much in the beginning you might hate it. Whereas if you paced yourself you might enjoy it.

Post: #450

Well it all depends on the person.

Some guys can cope with the exhaustion, throwing up, soreness for days...some can't.

I'm always wary though of people going too hard too soon...they rarely stick at it.

My advice, for what it's worth would be to go once for the first couple of weeks if really out of shape and combine that with long walks.

After a couple of weeks up it to twice per week and then to three times after a month or so.