Post: #51

GC, that of course depends on the city and the location within the city. But at those prices you should be able to be without roaches, reasonable proximity to good areas. You'll still have noisy chinese neighbors who smoke in the building - you have to go way more upscale to avoid that. I think it lessens as you go more upscale, but 4000 isn't that upscale. 6000, like I pay, is another step up, but I still occasionally noisy neighbors, especially as some of the units in my apartment building are occupied by businesses (I didn't know this when I moved in, and I've now switched to a quieter floor). Also, if you can get a high floor it will of course cut down on traffic noise. Smoking in the hallways is another issue to deal with, Chinese men will seemingly smoke almost anywhere.

Post: #52

G_C,
Always heard good things about Chengdu. Hard girls there are among the hottest in all of China yet with a mild personality. Can you confirm that?

(04-07-2014 11:12 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 11:04 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  G_C,
In which city are you?

I'm currently in Chengdu.

Post: #53

(04-08-2014 03:52 AM)Biologist Wrote:  I know that money/status is everything when it comes to dating in China, so does that mean that all the Chinese millionaires/billionaires have pretty much swept up all the decent looking girls and put them in their harems?

no, because you're not considering the differences in traits that we find attractive. A large portion of the hot girls in high end clubs in little black dresses will be pros or semi pros, but there are a ton of hot girls that are totally ignored and looked down upon by most wealthy chinese. in fact, these are the girls who are good by most standards here.
2nd generation wealthy girls are the ones in the awesome dresses at clubs with bottles, these people suck, they're horrible, they're emotionally stunted and insanely materialistic at worst and best they're emotionally stunted people who do whatever their parents want to with no sense of independence (the show 小爸爸 showcase both of these pefectly with the two girlfriends, for any chinese speakers that care to check it out).

Working class girls are the way to go. They're appeciative without being materialistic and are usually very down to earth.

Nongs, or migrants, if you can get a cute one, you've hit the jackpot, they will love everything about you, want to get married and dote on you, and usually live away from their parents.

Because class is so important in China, a good looking girl with the wrong living permit (hukou system) is all but invisible (socially and usually legally) to the wealthy chinese.

The overwhelming majority of guys who have chinese girlfriends are exploiting this arbitrage without realizing it. if you know where to look and who to talk to, it becomes that much easier.

Post: #54

What Clever said is very very true, especially in certain cities, Shanghai being the most prime example. But actually, in Shenzhen, its less prominent than perhaps anywhere else in China, because this is a city of immigrants for the most part. There are "local" Hakka and Chouzhou people who are here (and some cantonese of course) and the Hakka especially can be very clannish, and Cantonese in general stick to their own, more because they have a different language and culture than other Chinese (more demonstrably different).

The Hukou is like an invisible leash in Chinese society, dragging people back to their home provinces and affecting their ability to ascend through society to some considerable degree as well. I'd also add, like in many other countries, whiter skin is more valued, so if you find a girl whose even slightly darker (like some girls I've met from Guizhou or Hainan, for example, who were smoking hot), Chinese guys would typically be less interested to them. Thats hotness arbitrage, because to you, they're an 8, but to Chinese guy, they're a middling 5.

Post: #55

@ G_global,

Thanks for your reply! Very interesting and insightful!

I'm in my mid-20s right now and whilst I am currently working on my bankroll, I am aiming to leave Australia by age 30 to live somewhere in Asia.

PRC is very high up on my list, and I am considering several cities as options (Shenzhen being one of them). I haven't yet been to PRC, although I have been to Taiwan. The reason I am considering moving to PRC is because the Chinese girls exhibit the exact physical traits I'm looking for (cute heart-shaped faces, small frames, golden skin) and China is seems to be undisputedly the best place in the world to find excellent wife material.

However, moving there would only be worth it if it would be realistic for me to secure a high quality girl (at least an 8 out of 10). If I wanted a low quality girl, there are heaps of them here in Australia. I'm white with light brown hair, and I'm university educated, so I guess I would have somewhat of an advantage in China.

Regarding "middle class" - that's exactly what I meant. The reason I asked about middle class girls is because I would guess that the rich Chinese girls would be extremely materialistic, whereas the poor Chinese girls would be pretty dull.

Also, regarding the issue of understanding Mandarin as a foreigner - what is your opinion on this? Is there much English penetration in Shenzhen?

Thanks again.

Post: #56

Bio,
two suggestions.

Read back through the thread and the original post, you'll find a lot of what you're asking addressed.

Second, when you like my reply, don't forget to "like" my reply

But more seriously, I wouldn't say China is the best place to find such wife material, there are other places to be sure, and China has its own drawbacks like the other contenders (Vietnam, Philippines, Japan, etc.)

I do think you can pull an 8. I did and I know other guys who have. Knowing more mandarin would definitely be helpful. But more helpful would be a demonstrably serious attitude towards these girls (and marriage) because they'll assume you're a player. They all assume this, and though there is a "moth to the flame" issue for Chinese girls and foreigners, some are able to avoid the flame. Just anecdotally, one of the best looking girls (to me) that I know in SZ (1) speaks english, (2) dated this nerdy non-rich California dude who used to live in SZ, and (3) doesn't seem, from how well I know her, to be a materialistic bitch (any more than your average girl from America or elsewhere).

It is true that poor girls can be a bit dull - in fact I would not say many Chinese girls that I've met are particularly "Deep". They tend to be interested in the same things. I got lucky with that as well, but my gal grew up in Taiwan. She's atypical in many ways, though deep down, she's Chinese (her Dad's family is from Jiangxi, in South China), and she didn't grow up in Taipei, so no attitude whatsoever.

Post: #57

(04-08-2014 12:55 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  G_C,
Always heard good things about Chengdu. Hard girls there are among the hottest in all of China yet with a mild personality. Can you confirm that?

Can't say I really agree with that. Like I said in the Chengdu thread, I think the majority of girls here are pretty average to ugly. Rarely see 8/10+. It's kind of a disappointment. I'm not sure where that stereotype comes from, but it doesn't seem to ring true, unless I'm going to the wrong spots.

I think I lucked out with the Chinese girl I met and laid the next day after meeting her. She was one of the hotter girls I had seen in a few days. I'd like to see how Shenzhen girls compare.

As far as the city goes, it's nicer, seemingly less crowded than other Chinese cities, yet still has millions of people. It reminds me of a smaller Shanghai with hardly any foreigners. Chunxi Road, for example, is a lot like SH's East Nanjing Road. Still, probably wouldn't recommend coming here unless you have business or want to do some quick sightseeing.

Post: #58

it doesnt matter what class she's from, the vast majority of girls are interested in extremely simple things. pretty much everywhere, men and women are interested in extremely simple things.
the girls most open to dating you will speak english because that shows she's at least been around foreigners. china is NOT the best place to find a wife. its better than most, but you'll have two main problems 1) you convince her to leave her country, friends, and family and move across the world to a place where the language and culture will be incredibly difficult (most girls dont want greencard) or 2) you marry her and stay in china, then you're also tied to the rest of her family, loaning them money and helping them out or even having her parents live with you.
what G_Global said about a girl dating a nerdy, non-rich dude makes a ton of sense: Chinese girls don't much care if you're good looking. in fact, they'll go after a guy LESS attractive if he looks more 温柔， or "gentle" or some shit. and while the guy wasn't rich, he probably sure as hell wasn't poor. Their logic is more akin to "he can feed me, I can fuck him, we'll have beautiful hybrid babies."
Yes, you can probably pull an 8, but she'll work a very boring normal job, come from a humble background, and won't be overly intellectually stimulating. she won't be an idiot, but she'll never grasp nor care about anything beyond her friends wechat, her favorite tv celebrities, and keeping you happy.
again, I'm speaking in generalities. It's totally possible you can pull a hot girl from a club who speaks really good english and puts out like crazy, but then there's a decent chance she has a fetish for foreigners.

Post: #59

^^ I can attest to that. I've seen a bunch of cute to fairly hot Chinese girls with obese, short and fat Chinese guys. Even saw some nasty lardass white guy with a thin, cute 7/10ish Chinese lady walking around hand-in-hand the other day.

What do you guys think of marrying a Chinese woman for business reasons and relocating to China and getting citizenship, though? Wouldn't it be conducive?

Post: #60

Clever is being a bit strong in his opinions, but there is definitely some truth to it, and as I said before, I definitely agree that its not only the "poor" girls that are dull. Most are interested primary in money and what they put in their mouths, or clear symbols of wealth like cars or pocketbooks or tech gadgets. Of course, that's not all, but I'd say easily more than half.

With respect to the marrying thing in China, I read something recently about Thailand, which is probably true about most Chinese girls you might consider marrying. They'll care about you (and damn sure will care that you truly care about them, and make an issue of it to make sure you do, annoying as that may be), but they'll probably show more interest in their families and particularly their parents. It will often feel like you are second best to their family (as I read about the girls in THailand). Its perhaps not as extreme in China, but what they call "filial loyalty" is an extremely significant cultural trait in China as well.

The "mixed blood babies thing" is out of hand in China. It seems so friggin shallow to me, but its definitely a factor - having a mixed blood baby - you can read what I previously wrote in this thread about beautiful mixed blood babies, who are so desired that a man might even marry a girl who had a mixed blood baby notwithstanding the recently announced and departing one child policy.

What I suggest is what I always suggest - experience it and find out for yourself. On your next vacation, come to China and spend some time in a city or two. Live in it, check it out, see what you think. Then you can worry about planning the rest of your life after thirty living here - until then, its just conjecture. And if you don't like it, write it off as an interesting vacation destination. It's definitely interesting and has its attractions. Its also definitely not for everyone.

Post: #61

I cannot think of a single reason why I'd want citizenship in China. Its possible, I know a guy who married a Chinese girl and became a citizen. Why? No fucking idea. I guess he didn't have a lot of choices in life. Business can be done - if you want to do business in China, become a HK resident and you can get easy visa rights to access China, and even live here, without a problem.

Post: #62

I can be a bit strong in my opinions sometimes.
generally speaking, you can tell how materialistic a girl is based on where shes from. in a place like shenzhen or shanghai youll have far more people who care about nice cars and mazeratis. of you go to liaoniang, youll find girls that are far more down to earth, practical, appreciative, and rockin unshaved armpits. upper class and middle class girls get what they want. theyre used to a certain standard of living, and if yiu are too far below, their parents wont allow her to marry you.
case in point: i knew a migtant girl in hangzhou, late 20s, killer body: white skin, northern face, the whole works. she wanted a foreigner, didnt care who, to take back to dongbei to have a kid with and help her take care.of her ageing parents. she would dote on said foreigner and help him out uowever he needed it. but it didnt matter who as long as his skin was white.
a girl from taiwan would be different, more culturally western and maybe even japanese. all taiwanese ive met si far have been adorable in personality, even if physically unattractive.
also, get chinese citizenship? are you crazy? that sounds awful. remember, china has no dual citizenship, yiu gotta give up your initial one.

Post: #63

To follow up on some of what I am reading on this page. My friend who I visited in SZ and is still there is in a relationship with a girl who wants him to put on weight. She says he is to attractive and wants him to gain some pounds. Hes is a tall good looking white guy...no homo. She is pretty wealthy as is her family. She pretty much pays for his apartment and everything in it and is pushing him to marry her. He even said he was thinking about it... but then he calls drunk late at night and basically asking me for permission to cheat on her. He will call and be like, "please talk me out of going to Coco park right now." He knows I am going to tell him to go to Coco park and fuck the hottest girl he can cause I always do and that's what I did when I was in Shenzhen. He also dated another very rich Chinese girl when I was out there visiting. So there are some wealthy Chinese girls who will date a foreigners that don't have a lot of money. (he just teaches ESL)

I also saw some Chinese HOTTIES dating and being the arm candy of chubby or fat guys with that had money. One fat rich guy sat beside me and my friend at club Viva and ordered a bottle on Hennessy and Moet. He had two smoking hot ass girls with him. They left after only drinking a few drinks out of the Hennessy bottle. I snatched that shit up and started invited everyone over for shots, I felt like the man...until the next day. Tons of Tiger beer followed by a bottle on Hennessy is not your friend.

Not all chubby rich Chinese guys are created equal. I remember this fine small Chinese girl dressed like school girl sitting on my lap and making out with me while her chubby Chinese boyfriend sat at the same table and stared at the ground. Then her cockblocking friend finally pulled her off me, she hugged me good bye and her boyfriend got up and shook my hand and left with her..... good times

Post: #64

(04-09-2014 03:04 AM)clever alias Wrote:  china is NOT the best place to find a wife. its better than most, but you'll have two main problems 1) you convince her to leave her country, friends, and family and move across the world to a place where the language and culture will be incredibly difficult (most girls dont want greencard) or 2) you marry her and stay in china, then you're also tied to the rest of her family, loaning them money and helping them out or even having her parents live with you.....
Their logic is more akin to "he can feed me, I can fuck him, we'll have beautiful hybrid babies."
Yes, you can probably pull an 8, but she'll work a very boring normal job, come from a humble background, and won't be overly intellectually stimulating. she won't be an idiot, but she'll never grasp nor care about anything beyond her friends wechat, her favorite tv celebrities, and keeping you happy.

Describes a lot of South East Asian LTR's in fact even!

Post: #65

well that's good enough for most people, do you really need to discuss the dichotomy of classical and quantum physics over dinner, or would you rather just have enjoyable small talk

Post: #66

I has an experience today that I think is instructive at least as an indirect opener, or more precisely, a way to get opened in China yourself.

I just began taking formal Chinese lessons, and received a text book today, my first day of classes. No joke, I got so many looks and got opened by curious girls (and guys in a friendly way) on a short trip home from my class to my apartment. I would heartily suggest studying Chinese or learning some (I studied on my own, but wanted to now start formal lessons) but even if you can't do that, walking around with an oversized Chinese textbook is to me, a surefire way to engage interest with which you can open or even get opened by girls. Of course they won't all be acceptable, but you can filter.

Post: #67

I don't want to create a bull rush, but its a hot day in Shenzhen, so the short-shorts are out in full force. Very few girls with good figures (of which China is plentiful) are not wearing them. Legs everywhere. I have to say, for Shenzhen, the Starbucks (and mall nearby) at Coco park has as much talent in one place as I've ever seen in Shenzhen. Tons of quality looking thin petite (short and tall) girls for all tastes. Coming here might be the only hame one would have to do in China. This is the new middle class here, able to spend 25- 37 RMB (around 4- 6USD) for a coffee drink. Its probably at a tipping point before the obesity issue starts to really kick in, though given Chinese allegiance to their traditional diet, it will take time. Nonetheless, its pretty darn bountiful in Shenzhen right now. I'd say, today, I've seen more girls 6+ then 6- in the 18-35 year old range, and lots higher than that. I may start posting pictures, as I've heard to many times that Chinese girls have no bodies, are ugly, banged out, whatever. Or maybe we should just keep in on the low.

Post: #68

As previously stated my stealth photography skills aren't exactly stellar but here are a few pics of three girls from yesterday. Just average quality for what was around during the day. All of these girls minimum 165cm (or taller).

Post: #69

    Some other photos, not from yesterday…

Post: #70

Figured I'd bump this thread.

I'm thinking of going to Shenzhen for a few weeks to see what it's like and how it compares to Shanghai.

Sounds like Coco Park is the prime location for both day game and club game, so I'm looking at rooms to book in that area. I'm wondering if anyone has ever had a problem bringing girls back to your hotel rooms there... Some reviews I've been reading are making it sound like the hotel lobby employees strongly monitor any guests you try to bring in.

I also understand Coco Park is a high traffic, busy area... i.e. lots of noise. Is booking there for close logistics ultimately worth it, or would I possibly be better off somewhere else?

Thanks again for any info

Post: #71

Global, if you like, give me a Skype and we can chat a bit about your plans and what you'd like to do. I can help you figure out an appropriate accommodation given your plans. Just PM me if you want to chat.

To otherwise answer you, though, Coco is good for somethings, not for others. I don't think day game in SZ needs to be confined to a particularly location. Coco park (actually which is a shopping mall, on the south side of Fuhua Rd., the north side has all the bars and nightclubs, actually) is a good choice, but its more mixed and group sets, which actually can be ok, but I actually, myself prefer single girls alone, not in a set. Depends on your chinese or their english as well of course.

At night, and I am sure I am repeating myself, to find girls who speak english in the east part of Shenzhen (not Shekou), Coco Park is the epicenter. Not necessarily the best looking girls, but the most concentrated place for a guy speaking no Chinese to encounter girls who can understand him. The bars in Luohu, I find, have the best looking girls in concentration in Shenhen, but you'll need some Chinese, and preferably, a wing who speaks more Chinese than you.

Post: #72

Thanks a lot.

I'll send a PM.

Post: #73

Some more walking around shots...showing the revealing fashion standards and also the variety of looks, shapes and sizes...Im not posting these because they're the best of SZ, more because they're typical of what you'll see walking around daytime.

Post: #74

And a few more...

Post: #75

Those pictures are consistent with Beijing, but not Tianjin (a city free from any fashion).