Post: #26

Any advice on which city i should visit if i wanted to go for 2 weeks and focus mainly on night game with some online game?

I'm mid 20's, tall, white and can't speak Mandarin.

Post: #27

Hmm, this is a bit of a tough question. It would depends on a few things for starters, not the least of which is what time of year. You really couldn't pay me to go on a vacation to Beijing while people have their heat turned on for the winter, because the air quality in that city (and many others) is so bad, you won't be able to breathe. Also, its fuck ass cold in the winter in northern china, and I'm also not interested in that, and of course, that would limit the number of people on the street and even , to a degree (though less) the people out and about at nighttime.

Taking that out of the equation, if you go during the next 6-7 months perhaps, then I'd say there are a couple of different philosophies. One would be to go somewhere there is a critical mass of women who can speak English. This would be Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen, near the top of the list, as well as perhaps some second tier cities near Shanghai for the most part. When I say speak english, what I mean is that there are enough that have a basic understanding of english and can write some and text, though again, they may not feel comfortable speaking it.

Another approach could be to go entirely against the grain and use your intense foreignness as an asset. Go somewhere that has remarkably few foreigners and try to be the local celebrity in that area, so that women will put up with your nonconversantness just because hanging with you is such a novelty. I think this approach could be fruitful, but its probably hit or miss. Its also possible to try this approach in one of the cities I mentioned above, simply by moving further away from areas frequented by foreigners and staying amongst mostly Chinese people. I sort of do this on a lesser scale based on where I chose to live in Shenzhen - I don't live among ex-pats. In Beijing, with this approach you wouldn't be looking at hotels on E. 3rd Ring rd or around Sanlitun or Workers Stadium, same reason. Even in Shanghai, which is enormous, you'll find many areas that are basically devoid of foreigners. For other city choices though, and I caution I haven't been to these cities except Qingdao, some choices could be Xi'an (nice fair skinned Shanxxi girls), Chengdu (capital of Sichuan province, busty girls, spicy food, supposedly outgoing population), Qingdao (beach city, hour flight to Beijing), Wuhan (capital of Hubei, which is full of beautiful girls who tend to be crazy) or Kunming (in Yunnan province, ethnically diverse area, known for beautiful jungles rivers and animal life (within a day's trip from Kunming, not in the city). You'd definitely have high novelty value, and all of these are big cities - I'd also suggest setting up near to a university if you're taking this second approach, and using this to provide an alternative base of girls who want to speak english, might be studying it (seems like every young person in China is studying English or wants to). You can turn up at an "English Corner" and they'll be more than happy to have you there to help them practice, and then you can ask girls for their we chat or ask them to show you their cities. I would think you'd get a very positive response.

Post: #28

I had a thought I wanted to add. Another good date (maybe a second date, or a first date after meeting via night game or day game) would be to go together to a swimming pool. There are several pay-to-use pools in Shenzhen, where you pay a fairly small fee, get a locker and get usage of the pool for the day. These typically have very nice facilities (at least the ones I visited, one near CoCo Park (across the street on the south side) and one in Nanshan, that had a dual olympic size swimming pools. These places may also have steam units, and group hot tubs, and will likely have showers available to use before and after.

Its not difficult to imagine why taking a girl on a swimming pool date could be a good option, to build comfort, establish kino, perhaps break down some barriers, and since SZ can be quite warm, have a good and fun way to cool off. Also, if you've got body hair (most Chinese don't have much, or any) you're letting Chinese girls, who tend to be very curious about it, get a good look at you and also wonder about why your swimsuit seems to naturally jut out quite a bit more (hopefully) than most of the local guys walking around.

I've done this date a few times, and really, though I forget about it, its a solid choice. Actually, offering free swimming lessons to Chinese girls (assuming you're a good swimmer - I was a lifeguard for many years in my teens and twenties) is a very solid way to break the ice. I had a girl who found out I could swim well from a group trip to Huizhou. She invited me to her apartment (she made pretty good money and lived alone) and wanted me to teach her to swim. While swimming, my hands were basically all over her body teaching her, and then when we went up to her apartment (see my comments about going into Chinese girls' homes), she basically walked into her room, without closing the door, and got her clothes off to change. She was staring at me in a mirror while naked holding a towel. I actually had decided that I wasn't that interested and that she had stalked potential, so I passed on the afternoon invitation, but without a doubt it was there. (Turns out she went stalkerish even without the notch, later, so it was probably the right call). Anyway, I'd highly suggest this for a date (free swimming lessons). Works even better than language exchange.

Post: #29

I don't understand why there are not ore people in sz on this site. The girls are so hot, the city so interesting, massive, so many difference facets. The sky (and my shitty mandarin) is the limit.

Post: #30

You talked about her being stalker potential. Is that a thing with Chinese girls? Actually something to worry about? Hasn't happened to me yet.

Personally I would've laid her if I was in your situation. Gotta give 'em what they want.

Btw, how is the expat scene in Shenzhen?

Post: #31

Chris are you in SZ or have you lived here? I don't agree that the city is so interesting but I agree with the rest. There are a lot of expats here, just not many RV expats.

GC - stalker potential is probably somewhat higher in China than in the USA, if you've slept with the girl. There is still an old-fashioned mentality about sleeping together with many girls in China. And no one would know what a stalker is if you mentioned it - there isn't the sense of personal privacy in China that there is in the west (not remotely).

I hear what you're saying - if she was a 7+, I might have done it. But she was a six and there was a vibe about her I just didn't like. So I passed. Perhaps if I had been more hard up around then, I would have thrown it in.

I'm not sure what you mean by expat scene. There are a fair number of expats in Shenzhen. I've actually seen more foreigners the last month in my neighborhood (Gang Xia) than I have in the year proceeding it. I'm not sure whats bringing them into this area, but I see backpacker types walking through the village behind my building (this is not even a street open to car or bus traffic) so its surprising. I think there must be some impetus which is getting the local apt buildings to rent to foreigners, and thats pulling them into the area. Still, far fewer than the expat oriented areas, but more than I've seen. I might have to move :/

Post: #32

Yes, I'm here, maybe it will wear off but as of now I'm still discovering so much on a weekly basis, meeting so many more types of chicks all the time, but this may wear off. Are you still in sz? Which clubs do you frequent? I prefer luohu places like face, the mew one in sunshine hotel, etc, which are high risk high risk high return, although butter is probably still all around best place in town.

Post: #33

I actually don't go to clubs that much in SZ. I went once in a while before, but I have a regular girl now, and so I generally reserve game for when I travel in in China, Asia or elsewhere (I travel a good amount) . THat being said, i am still in SZ, yes, and will be for some time. Its my home probably for at least most of 2014, and I've been here off and on (mostly on) since 2012.

I know the Sunshine hotel in Luohu and that area a little bit - I was actually invited to a club called M-1 last night right over there (next to Dongmen Plaza) but I declined. I was told the club attracted a very young crowd and I was a bit tired from a day trip to HK for which I woke up pretty early (by my standards). I haven't been to butter, and I am not sure I have been to Face, though it sounds familiar.

I'll PM you my Weixin - add me if you like.

G

Post: #34

Went out with G_global on saturday, great guy, his connection hooked us up with a nice table at this awesome club, quality of the girls was devastating, higher that X2, privee, supperclub, etc, probably anywhere I've been pitside the gus. There is a cultural hurdle to overcome in applying succesful club game on hv targets in China which is probably why it has not and won't become a preferred short term destination for players to quentsh their yellow fever..

Post: #35

of course they're hard to get: they're wealthy as fuck, insanely materialistic, and are being hit on and "bought" by people with more money than god

Post: #36

Saturday was a lot of fun, CG. The place we went to was called M1, and its caddy corner to the Sunshine Hotel (which taxi drivers might know) on Remnin and Jiabin Streets. Its not a very big club, but it was decently laid out (for a Chinese club, low standard to be sure). I'd definitely concur that the talent level was very high, I saw very few unbangable girls, and a very strong number of 8+ girls. Of course, its dark in the club and Chinese girls are masters of makeup, so take it with a tiny grain of salt. But the bodies on the girls (not surprising in China) were generally good to excellent. A girl that CG chatted with for a while had the craziest body and was wearing these little booty shorts. I was salivating like I hadn't eaten for days, just looking at that ass, sticking out of the bottom of the shorts. Funny thing is, she was standing on the platform where we were sitting, and CG still towered over her. Its not that she was so short, though she was definitely petite, but CG is a big dude. I'm 6'1 and he towers over me. Chinese guys kept walking up to him, grabbing his arms and saying "Whoa," which must get fucking old quick, but CG keeps his cool.

I went out with one of my component suppliers (PCB) last night, and went up to Bao'an in the northern part of Shenzhen, much more industrial area with very few foreigners. They wanted to take me to a KTV (the gentleman's type) but rain delayed their arrival, and by the time we finished dinner at a nice Hakka restaurant (and whoever says all the food in China is greasy and disgusting (I read that on some thread in here) just turn up and spend a weekend with me), the KTV was pretty much empty of hostesses, both due to the time, and the fact that post-crackdown on KTVs (see news items re Dongguan around mid february) some girls never came back to work, the KTV was a bit dead. One of the guys from the company invited our waitress to join us and drink with us (she'd jump up occasionally to refill the pitchers with Chinese white wine) and I canoodled with her for the time we were at the KTV. After a while of singing, we decided to head to a local club in Baoan, so i knew I was in for an experience, because the likelihood of seeing foreign guys there was basically zero. Celeb status.

The place was called 18, or something like that, and it was connected to a big hotel in Bao'an I'd never seen before. It was still pumping, and we got seated at a table. I was getting handshakes from dudes and hard IOI from many many girls. Quality was decent with a few superstars, but not on the level of M1. Then, surprisingly, the waitress and the one hostess from the KTV show up as well, and while it was fun, she proceeded to cockblock me for the rest of the night, pouting and demanding I play games with her, and sitting next to me/half on my lap. The kino was fun, but I doubted it was gonna go much further than that, and it didn't. Every time I walked away from the table she followed me and even when I danced with some little cute (not hot) girl who smacked my ass while i was dancing, she was right there. When I went to the bathroom once, the waiter for our table annoyingly escorted me, Chinese style, pointing out every step and every turn like I was a blind four year old (that happens in China, I like to respond by telling idiots like this that we have stairs in America too, but its usually just them doing their jobs like robots, so as not to be fired).

Between the drinking games, getting back the night before at three thirty, and rolling again the next night, I was exhausted and didn't arrive home again until 330. Fun weekend though, and if you have a chance to hit a club with zero foreign guys, its worthwhile. It was funny though, there were dancers there, probably russian, and few other white girls, perhaps Russian or Ukrainian pros, in this club. I didn't interact with them at all, but one of them was standing alone, looking bored, so my guess would be "pro."

Post: #37

Cool story, guys. Get any pics of the high end Chinese chicks? Did you end up pulling, Chris? I'd like to see the talent there.

@G global, yeah by expat scene, I meant are there really a shit ton of foreigners there now, and what types are they.. Like douchey, annoying backpackers, French, Germans and other Euros, Russians, etc.

If any of you have been to Shanghai, how does Shenzhen compare with Sh? Is one better than the other?

Post: #38

GC, there are a fair number of foreigners in Shenzhen, but nothing like Shanghai or Manila, quantity wise. They tend to be grouped together in certain areas and also at certain nightspots. There are some backpackers, but I run across more who are (1) here for some business opportunity (like Indians and Pakistanis (Pakistanis are a decent sized group in Shenzhen), French, and a few English, Aussies, and Germans) or teaching (a lot of the Americans seem to be English teachers). I don't often see people obviously identifiable as backpackers in Shenzhen - perhaps thats because there isn't much sightseeing to be done here, few museums, and while there are beaches, why not head to Thailand for that.

Shanghai is a massive international destination. Shenzhen is a big Chinese city. While they both have massive Chinese populations (and many who emigrated from other parts of China), they are different animals. I don't think its comparable.

Post: #39

I just thought of one other thing I wanted to share (yes, I know, I know, I keep saying just one other thing, and now there are ten of them).

If you're a larger western sized guy in China, a very good way to establish strong kino with a girl sitting with you is…if you have large hands (I can palm a basketball), to put your hands next to hers. Most Chinese girls have tiny hands, and they'll be amazed (its never failed) by the size difference. They'll spend minutes comparing the size, all the while likely wondering what else you have that might be quite a bit larger than Chinese standard issue. By the time your done, their holding hands with you, and you've established strong kino (as holding hands in China is quite intimate, since people don't touch each other normally).

And if you have body/arm hair, forget about it. That comparison invites a lot of inspection.

Post: #40

G_global,
Loving these reports from one of the cities that are very high on my short list to spend a few months soon.

Great tip about the hand comparison to establish strong kino. Btw, what did you mean with "if you have body/arm hair, forget it." Do you mean forget it in a positive or negative way? Is that going to turn them off? Or intrigue them even more as Chinese guys are nt usually hairy?

Gotta admit that I was dead set on GZ but after reading your reports and those of others I know, I'm seriously considering SZ as well as a city to relocate for a while.

Post: #41

Ha, Chinese girls are tiny.

Most here are like 5' 2" or shorter. I tower over them. Btw I get tons of cute girls staring at me here since there are hardly any foreigners. They're quite bold and hold eye contact until we pass each other. That never really happened to me in Shanghai since they're used to foreigners there I guess. Does that still happen to you guys in SZ, do you get tons of IOIs walking around on any given day?

I could possibly take a train down there and check out the city for a few days, but I was told the train ride would take about 30 hours.

Post: #42

G_C,
In which city are you?

Post: #43

(04-07-2014 11:04 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  G_C,
In which city are you?

I'm currently in Chengdu.

Post: #44

GC- yes, it happens here too. If you're in an expat heavy area, not so much, but if you get away from that, which is quite easy, it happens all the time. Shenzhen is a melting pot for China, with people from all over the country. You get all varieties and heights as a result.

VP - (disclaimer - I'm jewish, so this may all be a big conspiracy). Yes, they tend to like it and be very curious about it as well. Ive often gotten the comment in Chinese "Real Man" though I forget the translation. They'll touch it and play with it - its not like in the USA where the model type is a hairless smooth shaved armpit guy. For the most part, Chinese girls (and Japanese too) are into it.

I thought you were leaving for Manila on the ninth.

Post: #45

There were a bunch of 5'8'' and plus models girls at the club (after SH and GZ SZ has the most models in China, as it is the fashion capital together with GZ), I managed to get a number of one of them, but tough to escalate then and there because they sit (and are sometimes paid to sit) at the high end tables so need to follow up. Am following up with the girl that G mentioned, she has this slavic body type that is almost unreal, where she has the smallest waist, yet is is still not scrawny, tiny yet full ass. It's funny, my brother who's a doctor and spent time in Russia told me that many of the girls have to get c.s. when they give birth, happy days.

Post: #46

G_global,

I've thoroughly enjoyed your posts about China here on RVF. You seem to get into some very funny and interesting situations!

I would just like to ask if you could shine some light on something I've been thinking about. In Chinese cities such as SZ, how realistic would it be, as a foreigner, to have a LTR with a reasonably attractive, regular, middle-class girl (7.5 - 8.5 out of 10)?

I know that money/status is everything when it comes to dating in China, so does that mean that all the Chinese millionaires/billionaires have pretty much swept up all the decent looking girls and put them in their harems?

Post: #47

Bio,
Totally do-able and possible, depending on a number of things. You'll automatically have some amount of higher value/status if you're a light skinned foreigner. Lower end of that range (depending on your scoring system) is totally possible. Having some money would help, but doesn't need to be a lot. I know foreign fair skinned guys who teach English (they tend to get paid more than non-native speakers and darker people who Chinese perceive to be non-native speakers, regardless of whether they are - my good Korean-American friend being the only exception to this rule that Ive seen), and if they get a good gig, it can be enough to sustain that. In SZ, its not hard for such a guy to make 10,000 RMB per month teaching part time, and get a pretty good apartment for say 4,500, and something livable for perhaps 3,500 (living alone). Having your own place, if its nice, is a strong indicator of value in China as well. Its not overwhelmingly common for young Chinese to live alone.

There isn't much of a middle class in China (but its growing) so I am taking middle class to mean decently educated, with a non-factory worker/food service (office admin, tourism, etc) type of job or a college student. It would also be helpful to speak Chinese, at least so far as broadening the possibilities are concerned. Being too young can be a hurdle, as I've said before Chinese girls like to date up (height, age, income and intelligence). If you can fit those four criteria, then it should be doable. What tends to happen though is (1) guys end up in a relationship sooner perhaps with not the best looking girl they could possibly get (though possibly someone quite pleasant and good looking enough) or (2) they can't commit because there is too much out there to focus on one girl. Or both. .

Post: #48

Chris I am jealous man. I kept pointing that girl out when she walked by a few times at the club, and now you're locking in. Good work.

Post: #49

(04-08-2014 03:52 AM)Biologist Wrote:  I know that money/status is everything when it comes to dating in China, so does that mean that all the Chinese millionaires/billionaires have pretty much swept up all the decent looking girls and put them in their harems?

I just laid a legit 8/10 (IMO) Chinese girl, so I'm gonna go with no.

But if you go to certain high end clubs there will obviously be girls that are taken by the guys you mentioned, or gold diggers looking for rich guys only, e.g. club M1NT in Shanghai. haha

Post: #50

(04-08-2014 05:19 AM)G_global Wrote:  Bio,
Totally do-able and possible, depending on a number of things. You'll automatically have some amount of higher value/status if you're a light skinned foreigner. Lower end of that range (depending on your scoring system) is totally possible. Having some money would help, but doesn't need to be a lot. I know foreign fair skinned guys who teach English (they tend to get paid more than non-native speakers and darker people who Chinese perceive to be non-native speakers, regardless of whether they are - my good Korean-American friend being the only exception to this rule that Ive seen), and if they get a good gig, it can be enough to sustain that. In SZ, its not hard for such a guy to make 10,000 RMB per month teaching part time, and get a pretty good apartment for say 4,500

How good of an apartment are we talking about? Just curious.

Does that include things like low noise/little to no noisy Chinese neighbors, washer/dryer, no potential pests and cockroach problem, good view of the city, close proximity to downtown/all the happening areas and good spots for day gaming, etc?