Post: #776

(02-24-2019 10:31 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 09:33 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

Quote:Also putting on 24lbs of fat is insanely unhealthy, anyone should absolutely "be tripping" if they ever do that. It doesn't matter about if it effects your results with women or not - the #1 reason to lift weights and stay fit should be for your own health.

I completely agree. That's why I have lost the weight and why I lift. But I do it for my own benefit, not for some imagined increase in chance of success.

Quote: If you don't care that he's getting poosy then why are you commenting on the thread? The whole point of the thread is whether being in shape improves the chances or diminishes the chances of getting poosy. You have a member who is in favour and willing to prove it and you say you don't care?

My comment was meant to point out that I don't care about anyones sex life except my own. But I also feel that his performance would not change my opinion in one way or the other. I have seen so many men in the field that I have seen everything. What matters is what happens more often, not the experience of one person. My whole opinion is based around the argument about what happens more often, and why that is.

Beyond all the serious debate: emotionally I also am not able to go along with this. I'm in one if not the most body-oriented city in the world with so many fit men around. Yet it always cracks me up that my two most out of shape buddies have the most success with the ladies. One is fat, the other is skinny fat and both give all those fit dudes a run for their money. I know quaker must be doing well in his particular circumstances and good for him, but his whole "I'm better then you" thing is so far from my daily reality that I find it hard to stay patient.

This skinny fat dude was frustrated because he couldn't get rid of a hot girl this morning that just wouldn't let him go home without her last night. It was pathetic how she was throwing herself at him.

A lot of in-shape/hot guys are pussies PERIOD

That's why a frat star will always beat a male model even if he is a point or two below. It's not so much that a woman doesn't want a man who is better looking than them, it's that a woman doesn't want a man that BEHAVES as if he is better looking. That ultimately is a feminine trait.

I listen to Adam Carolla's podcast pretty often. Early in his podcast he had a saying, "I'm hot because I don't know I'm hot". This essentially is the vibe I try to give to women. Confident self assured yet I have the assertiveness of a gaming veteran who's an objective 5

I just had oatmeal with milk and honey and cinnamon and oats so I want to address what you said before you become confused.

A male model is a male human with a certain type of physique and ability and psychology.

A fraternity "star" is a human I assume male that not only works within a social, professional, and safety group, but the word star implies he is a man that easily works for sex from women.

If you view the French Republic's national motto, and please keep in mind France speaks a Romance language and is famous for even kissing as in French kissing as well as the woman believes, "may we skip zi fancy dinner and just eat zi French Fries I may use my own pickup excuse to work into your housing reality because I may need to release feces in your toilet", the French national motto has the word Fraternity which means friendliness in the motto.

Now Fraternity does not mean super amazing in any way, is just less chance the man becomes beat up too bad physically because he has many men to back him up, he learns Greek which is a famous language especially in the West and is related in our minds to the Summer Olympics and men that are desirable for heroism and God such as actions, and a Fraternity is the most obvious way a woman of a certain age can openly exist everyday with men that are openly seeking sex and drugs and alcohol and to make money and eventually have amazing housing because yes eventually they don't want to live with all men in a big house usually.

Just keep one thing in mind, boxers are male models who prioritize athletics and pugilism. That is truth. Their priority in that profession is to wear a belt after beating another man to unconsciousness or points victory. Yes there are fat boxers as well but within the world of athletics and sports and entertainment they are also male models they just wear the belt after they win and without a shirt on.

I just wanted to inform you Fraternity is more related to the taboo for women that is backed by a socially accepted form of friendliness. Women can poop and pee and vomit at a fraternity without having to make a planned life to do so, they are surrounded by openly masculine men that want vagina in a relatively safe where chances are they won't be mutilated to death but may just become hit by a random punch or body accidentally if a fight breaks out, and they are able to pull men that they will have sex with in the future into their lives in a uniquely female way because after university when they are older and wiser and more knowledgeable with the connections and legal support to have sexual experiences that they always wanted they have set that up while with men in fraternities.

So weight lifting is not related to being a pussy, if you watch porn there are many men that are thin and have large penises that if you know women they often prefer easy sex with those men to strong heroic men all the time who still have to work for the sex, and punching and fighting and grappling is not what turns the women on in the majority of cases the work that goes into those abilities sort of reflects back into the women especially after sex on their life journey so they prefer men that are what you call not pussies.

If you hit a heavy bag 3 hours a day without attempting to fight any human for one moment setting aside the body shape and appearance your heart will become stronger and women immediately feel as though you have a good heart which is not the same as existing morally good before God or caring. This makes them want to show you their heart position which is a certain type of bend over doggystyle.

I just wanted to explain that because social is related to shit, and that is not an insult. That means literally and actually with a social man I have many places I can release feces into a toilet. That also means he will find out fast even when not too intelligent when he is losing or doing bad or going the wrong direction. This is not the same as body appearance, ability, or the nature of investment related to physical exercise.

When you bring up the social and fraternal and taboo you are almost always on a different perceived psychological reality than the nature of investment which is related to returns and intersects at value.

Sexual market value of a man is related more to the social than the investment because women are the types that want the right now or at least will notice what the right now is and plan for the next reality without investing. The only investment they make is related to sexual creation of children with men aside from pure business and the social. Humans are social animals in every single case they just form a line to more dependent and less dependent on others.

Post: #777

Pretty sure I have no idea what I just read

Post: #778

(02-25-2019 04:52 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  Pretty sure I have no idea what I just read

I believe you, that's why you never underestimate a male model just because you may exist or have existed in or maybe will exist in a fraternity.

You may get beat up or drugged or given too much alcohol by a woman.

I am not a male model so I am not saying you had underestimated me.

What I was saying was an A+ paper on weightlifting and attracting women would acknowledge the difference between how women perceive sexual market value versus the nature of investment with a man.

I may have misspoken by saying women and mislead you because woman is not the same as a girl even if both are of legal age.

Attracting girls has at a fundamental point to do with the girl noticing viewing you at some time.

They will need to venture to you at some point.

I believe your point was about sexual market value which is valid, but the reality of that is metaphorically related to the cost of different goods such as boats, tools, and shower materials. A girl may know or research or otherwise make a point to know the value of those goods from extreme attraction, but that is not what we are usually working for when we speak of attracting girls.

Post: #779

(02-24-2019 09:33 PM)asdfk Wrote:  My comment was meant to point out that I don't care about anyones sex life except my own. But I also feel that his performance would not change my opinion in one way or the other. I have seen so many men in the field that I have seen everything. What matters is what happens more often, not the experience of one person. My whole opinion is based around the argument about what happens more often, and why that is.

If your point is that having a solid amount of game is more important than being muscular vs. average body (not fat, perhaps skinny, but no muscled) then nobody is arguing against you.

The problem is that your buddies with game would get even more interest and more success if they were in better shape and you can't seem to admit that because game trumps all according to you.

Game is important, but this is a thread on WEIGHTLIFTING AND ATTRACTING GIRLS not whether skinny fat guys can get laid with game more than a muscular guy without game.

Post: #780

Quote:In the same post he talks about not caring about other guys having sex, but states his skinny fat friends are batting hot girls away with a stick.

Wether my friend fucks some girl doesn't affect me. So I also personally don't care if my friends get laid. They should do what makes them happy and I will support them where I can.

Quote:The problem is that your buddies with game would get even more interest and more success if they were in better shape and you can't seem to admit that because game trumps all according to you.

Of course I can admit that in many cultures and many locations my buddies would get more interest. And because they know how to leverage this interest, yes, they could have more casual sex if they wanted to.

But there are 24 hours in a day and there are more things in life. The two guys I mentioned are not interested in getting more girls. To the contrary. I know both have to reject quite a few girls because they don't have enough time.

To them, it would be ridiculous to lift weights to get girls. They barely have enough time to fuck the girls they want to fuck. Spending time in the gym would actually mean less time spent fucking girls.

The diminishing returns for lifting weights for them has been reached before they even started. They have the results they wanted and that is what matters.

Doing more won't always lead to a better result.

Similarly, if a newbie here wants to get a girlfriend, weightlifting will have diminishing returns once it does not increase his chances of getting a girlfriend.

Because of the needed process to get a girlfriend, which does not require receiving sexual interest from as many women as possible, no weightlifting is required.

Post: #781

Your post makes no sense.

Most men will not get to the point where weightlifting becomes a diminishing return.

Again, you keep talking about locations but you don't name any.

Please stop.

Post: #782

(02-25-2019 10:22 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Your post makes no sense.

Most men will not get to the point where weightlifting becomes a diminishing return.

Again, you keep talking about locations but you don't name any.

Please stop.

I agree,

No natural will ever look too big whilst keeping body fat below 15 percent

Post: #783

I've done this experiment.

I've done it with game and with no game.

Low body fat always trumps over-hydrated or higher fat % from carb and supplement abuse.


Think of it this way: women dress extravagantly for other women (because we don't give a fuck about the details), therefore men bulk up for other men because women don't give a shit how swole you are as long as your face isn't pudgy.

Post: #784

I actually get the most attention in my home country with higher body fat at 15% to 20% body fat at 195lbs at 5'11 compared to when I went down to 180lbs (don't know the body fat exactly but around 12%)

Post: #785

The other side of this is that some guys have never tried to really push their genetic potential so they simply can't experience what some of us have, Rudebwoy.

Post: #786

Being fit/muscular helps. No question about it.
You get way more attention and girls are more sexually attracted.

You dont have to be a bodybuilder... But being fit helps.

Post: #787

Slight change but could do with some help, Anyone got tips for improving my bench press? I know soreness Isn't the only indicator a good workout but It's sure helps. The only place where I feel I have been ineffective is my chest. The rest of my muscles are sore after exercise.

When I bench, I plant my feet firmly on the ground, slight arch in my back and push my shoulder blades to the bench. I hold a grip equal with my shoulders, forearms vertical of the shoulders and when I bench I'm lowering the bar around my nipple line, Yet I don't feel like I'm isolating my chest enough and its more my triceps etc doing the lifting than anything?

Post: #788

Due to privacy concerns, I will not state publicly where exactly I did not experience a rise in SMV after getting in amazing shape.

Just imagine a 2nd-tier city in a Western European or Nordic country with an excess of men in a pre-instagram era. Where many people are highly educated. You never see anyone with a shirt off because it is too cold.

I wish I had an explanation why my SMV did not increase, but I don't. I just know that it didn't and that my muscles were useless to pick up chicks.

Insult to injury, the biggest player I knew was built like a toothpick. We became eskimo brothers several times.

Post: #789

(02-26-2019 03:41 PM)Mattzey Wrote:  Slight change but could do with some help, Anyone got tips for improving my bench press? I know soreness Isn't the only indicator a good workout but It's sure helps. The only place where I feel I have been ineffective is my chest. The rest of my muscles are sore after exercise.

When I bench, I plant my feet firmly on the ground, slight arch in my back and push my shoulder blades to the bench. I hold a grip equal with my shoulders, forearms vertical of the shoulders and when I bench I'm lowering the bar around my nipple line, Yet I don't feel like I'm isolating my chest enough and its more my triceps etc doing the lifting than anything?

I've heard more than one serious lifter complain about this. It seems that a person's ability to bench is more genetic than anything.
I've all but given up trying to get gains via bench. Instead, pectoral fly and chest press have given me better mass.
Then again, my monkey arms are 42 long, so it's a miracle I can even do 185x5.

Post: #790

Try warming up by doing 30 pushups before you bench, I’ve found it tends to activate my chest and I feel it more while I’m benching

Post: #791

(02-26-2019 04:21 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:41 PM)Mattzey Wrote:  Slight change but could do with some help, Anyone got tips for improving my bench press? I know soreness Isn't the only indicator a good workout but It's sure helps. The only place where I feel I have been ineffective is my chest. The rest of my muscles are sore after exercise.

When I bench, I plant my feet firmly on the ground, slight arch in my back and push my shoulder blades to the bench. I hold a grip equal with my shoulders, forearms vertical of the shoulders and when I bench I'm lowering the bar around my nipple line, Yet I don't feel like I'm isolating my chest enough and its more my triceps etc doing the lifting than anything?

I've heard more than one serious lifter complain about this. It seems that a person's ability to bench is more genetic than anything.
I've all but given up trying to get gains via bench. Instead, pectoral fly and chest press have given me better mass.
Then again, my monkey arms are 42 long, so it's a miracle I can even do 185x5.

I never heard of such a postulation, but it makes sense as my bench is utter trash and I'm a big guy by most measures. I will say to the OP are you lifting for strength or muscle, because there is a difference in how you approach your workout based on your goal. I personally don't give a fuck about strength, so scientifically I keep my rep range between 10-15 reps depending on the muscle.

This is not to say you can't get big or even huge lifting for strength, but given the option of taking the path of least resistance I'd opt to

Post: #792

Do you do more reps for more mass? Like 10-15 for mass, but 6-8 for strength? I thought it was the other way around?

I definitely have not pushed myself to be YUUGE. Naturally built and lean, so I lift to be healthy...I don't need to get "jacked" because I already am. But I'm not huge. My cousin is huge, lol, we actually make a good duo going out because I'm lean and he's just monstrous haha

My bench is also trash, I've only done 225 once in my life, and that was after months of doing continually pushing myself to failure...i'm talking spending 2+ hours in the gym per day, multiple exercises for the chest (and other stuff)...don't have time like that anymore though, that was back in college

Or maybe I'm just makin' excuses

Post: #793

I do 10-15 for mass. I box more than I lift so I need those reps so I don’t lose muscle. Most I can bench was 275 when I was 250. I’m a pretty lean 230 and I can’t even bench 225 now. I can’t do a lot of pull-ups either, but I’m pretty decent in that squared circle.

Post: #794

I never liked flat bench, I prefer incline bench which makes my chest pop. Pushing 225llbs is something I do once a year lol.

Pull-ups are my thing, because they work so many muscle groups.

@flyinghorse - I'm the same size as you and I have no desire to drop down to 180 llbs for the sake of having lower body fat.

@fortis - I wouldn't say it is all down to genetics. I've busted my ass for almost two decades in the gym.

Post: #795

Incline barbell definitely builds a better looking chest. I've got mine up to 100 kg for 5 reps at just under 80 kg bodyweight which isn't bad and my upper chest is finally starting to look good.

Post: #796

(02-26-2019 04:21 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:41 PM)Mattzey Wrote:  Slight change but could do with some help, Anyone got tips for improving my bench press? I know soreness Isn't the only indicator a good workout but It's sure helps. The only place where I feel I have been ineffective is my chest. The rest of my muscles are sore after exercise.

When I bench, I plant my feet firmly on the ground, slight arch in my back and push my shoulder blades to the bench. I hold a grip equal with my shoulders, forearms vertical of the shoulders and when I bench I'm lowering the bar around my nipple line, Yet I don't feel like I'm isolating my chest enough and its more my triceps etc doing the lifting than anything?

I've heard more than one serious lifter complain about this. It seems that a person's ability to bench is more genetic than anything.
I've all but given up trying to get gains via bench. Instead, pectoral fly and chest press have given me better mass.
Then again, my monkey arms are 42 long, so it's a miracle I can even do 185x5.

Measured from shoulder to fingertip? What are you, like 6'8?

@Matt If your form is correct and you still feel that way it may mean that your triceps are underdeveloped. There are alot of bench variations you can do to workout specific parts of the lift, some require a spotter though. Examples:

Negatives with a weight higher than you can bench
Do reps in a power rack that holds the weights a couple inches above your chest, so you can isolate the top half of your lift
Some days focus on heavy singles, others 5x5, other days sets of 12. . .mix it up but whatever set mix you choose try to increase your weight from the last time.

Post: #797

(02-26-2019 09:51 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  I do 10-15 for mass. I box more than I lift so I need those reps so I don’t lose muscle. Most I can bench was 275 when I was 250. I’m a pretty lean 230 and I can’t even bench 225 now. I can’t do a lot of pull-ups either, but I’m pretty decent in that squared circle.

Probably not worth benching more or it will slow you down. Most boxers I know still have broad shoulders and a developed back, which is probably just as if not more important.

Post: #798

I’d say there’s definitely a point of diminishing returns for women. I know a lot of girls who find the whole “shredded” or “jacked” look too much and off putting. I’ve heard commends such as “revolting” or assumptions made that the guy has zero life outside of the gym and must be boring/self centred

I think the sweet spot is a more athletic look similar to say, David Beckham

Post: #799

(02-27-2019 09:29 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  I’d say there’s definitely a point of diminishing returns for women. I know a lot of girls who find the whole “shredded” or “jacked” look too much and off putting. I’ve heard commends such as “revolting” or assumptions made that the guy has zero life outside of the gym and must be boring/self centred

I think the sweet spot is a more athletic look similar to say, David Beckham

All answers is based on the assumption that women know what they're talking about, that's why nobody should pay attention to any of this.
At 107kg, I've got my biceps grabed "inadvertently" in the subway, I've got my ass fondled from nowhere, I've got women glued onto me in "not-even-crowded" subway, some others pretending to fall on me and shit you guys forget to talk about.
No need to define which physic they like, a built body is enough to make them like your abs because All of this shit is visceral for women, their brain switch off and they're not even aware they're touching you

Post: #800

(02-27-2019 09:29 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  I’d say there’s definitely a point of diminishing returns for women. I know a lot of girls who find the whole “shredded” or “jacked” look too much and off putting. I’ve heard commends such as “revolting” or assumptions made that the guy has zero life outside of the gym and must be boring/self centred

I think the sweet spot is a more athletic look similar to say, David Beckham

I've heard a thousand girls SAY the same thing.
Now, what they DO is another matter. Can't comment on that.
Beckham (and all pro soccer players) are in permanent ottermode. Women do love it. Ottermode is good for wearing stylish clothing too.