Post: #751

Having a great butt, really draws the girls attention

Post: #752

(02-22-2019 03:23 AM)KingKrule Wrote:  Having a great butt, really draws the girls attention

Stop right there before you write the irreversible, #ASSMAXING is Ghey despite what you think!

Post: #753

(02-22-2019 05:02 AM)blck Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 03:23 AM)KingKrule Wrote:  Having a great butt, really draws the girls attention

Stop right there before you write the irreversible, #ASSMAXING is Ghey despite what you think!

Why is it Ghey(?) to have strong legs and ass? Big butt is a result from it.

Post: #754

(02-21-2019 06:57 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 10:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Most guys here like girls that are in shape.

So it would make sense that girls like the same thing, sure there are other factors girls take into consideration.

This is a great reason to get in amazing shape.

Quote:Quaker13 put a challenge on the table, of course the trolls didn't take him up on his challenge lol

His challenge was to see who can go out and get the most attention, such as getting touched on the arm in an area like Washington DC.

First of all, this is completely dependent on location and culture. Plenty of places where he won't get touched and where women will be appalled by his looks. His physique is useful in some places, an outright handicap in others.

Second, is the challenge to get touched very often or to bring a girl home that same day or night? I am certain he is skillful enough to "convert" the extra attention to bangs, which is great.... But frankly, someone who is really good at cold approach will also be able to pull every night. You only need one girl a night (maybe two if you want a threesome). With enough skills under your belt, sufficient girls and the right logistics, it is a numbers game.

I am not at all opposed to working out. I just object to treating it as a cure-all since it has such a high cost. It will throw newbies off if they focus too much energy at this pursuit when this energy could have been better spend elsewhere.

My exact words...I will gladly put my 6'3 225lb lean frame against any slim, skinny fat or even lean slender dude here in a gaming situation. Doesn't matter the ethnicity or environment.

In my reply I address your location and culture concern or as I see it, excuse.

Secondly, proper gaming is not a numbers game. The door to door salesman approach is passe' for me as not only a high value man, but a man with high SMV. Again, my challenge stands. The thought that somehow LITERALLY increasing you SMV via a better body is being challenged on this forum is sad. Shame on all you who are being lazy contrarians. Newbs please don't listen to this advice.

Post: #755

(02-22-2019 01:53 AM)66Scorpio Wrote:  I recall a study that said 12% bodyfat is the ideal for attracting women. Apparently interest (SMV?) Is a left skew bell curve with a 12% peak. The researchers correlated BF% to the measurable health of the men and found it also peaked at 12%.

The second part of the equation is BMI. In a different study:

They set a preferred ideal man at a BMI of 24.5, a waist-to-hip ratio of .86 and a waist-to-chest ratio of .77. The ideal set by the men (not shown) was a BMI of 25.9, a waist-to-hip ratio of .87 and a waist-to-chest ratio of .74.

The takeaway from this is that most women don't like super-huge guys. Really bulking up makes you attractive to those women who fetishize it more.

To do the math, an average 5'10" guy would have an "ideal" weight of 170 pounds according to women, 180 according to the men in the study. Assuming a 34"waist, that would imply a 44" to 46" chest.

For reference, look at Scott Adkins who 5'10", 176, 34" waist, 45" chest, 10% BF.

^THIS.
Is there a source for the study?
Anecdotally, I've heard over and over from women that certain celebrities who are too built, or who are too diesel, "care too much about working out".
Translation from hamster: "I want all of a man's attention."
One fuckbuddy even told me that she thought Joe Manganiello was too built. I remember reading in some interview that he and Sofia V. have had fights about his excessive time spent in the gym.

Post: #756

(02-22-2019 11:11 AM)Savonarola Wrote:  Anecdotally, I've heard over and over from women that certain celebrities who are too built, or who are too diesel, "care too much about working out".
Translation from hamster: "I want all of a man's attention."
One fuckbuddy even told me that she thought Joe Manganiello was too built. I remember reading in some interview that he and Sofia V. have had fights about his excessive time spent in the gym.

I've had plenty of girlfriends give out to me for going to the gym too much once I'm in a relationship with them. They dislike it for a few reasons:

- you're literally choosing to do something else over spending time with them
- you're making them feel bad about their own lack of exercise
- you're making yourself more attractive to other women

The best way around it I've settled on is to just date women who work out a lot themselves. My current girlfriend trains 4 days a week, so completely appreciates my diet/training lifestyle and can relate to it. And shes got a great body, which is nice perk.

Post: #757

Quote:Stop right there before you write the irreversible, #ASSMAXING is Ghey despite what you think!

Post: #758

Quote:In my reply I address your location and culture concern or as I see it, excuse.

Excuse? Not at all. As I wrote a few pages back, I was built myself. I went to the gym four times a week and practicing martial arts on the other days. I still go to the gym a lot and have spent more time and money learning about this stuff then most (including profesionally).

I didn't quit lifting when I realized it wasn't getting me laid. I invested in improving my game instead and then I got the results.

After I did, I had no problem letting myself slip in the gym for 1-2 years at a time, because it does not affect the quality or amount of pussy that I get.

I pick up lifting when I'm not traveling and I really enjoy it. But if I put on 24 pounds of fat during travel I'm not tripping. I'm not recommending anyone does this, but I haven't seen my results spiral down.

Quote:Secondly, proper gaming is not a numbers game.

You are wrong. Of course it is a numbers game. Because the highest SMV man in the world will not be able to bang every single woman that he meets. Even if you bang every woman that is supposedly into your mad gainz, you are still running a "numbers game", with on the other end the women who don't pay you extra attention.

Quote:The thought that somehow LITERALLY increasing you SMV via a better body is being challenged on this forum is sad.

I'm not challenging this at all. I'm just stating some facts:
1. Getting ripped / buff does not increase your SMV everywhere in the world
2. In the places where it does, you'll get more attention but only more bangs if you have social skills
3. If a newb just wants a girlfriend (or some plates), it is more useful to learn how to bridge gaps in SMV (learn more game skills). You only need to convert 1 lead into a girlfriend, and after the first encounter, game matters way more then social proof

So build that body if the following conditions are met:
1. It will increase SMV in the market you want to dominate
2. The amount of time spent to get the body means less then the amount / quality of girls you will get afterwards. Do the actual math: how many girls will you bang and how much time are you spending just to make this easier?
3. You are not looking for a girlfriend but just want casual sex. Working out does not improve your game but only your SMV, and keeping a girlfriend (sometimes) takes skill

Quote:I will gladly put my 6'3 225lb lean frame against any slim, skinny fat or even lean slender dude here in a gaming situation. Doesn't matter the ethnicity or environment.

You don't have to prove to me that you get pussy. I don't care.

Post: #759

(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)KingKrule Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 05:02 AM)blck Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 03:23 AM)KingKrule Wrote:  Having a great butt, really draws the girls attention

Stop right there before you write the irreversible, #ASSMAXING is Ghey despite what you think!

Why is it Ghey(?) to have strong legs and ass? Big butt is a result from it.

Agreed! Girls love my ass

Post: #760

(02-22-2019 04:58 PM)asdfk Wrote:  You don't have to prove to me that you get pussy. I don't care.

If you don't care that he's getting poosy then why are you commenting on the thread? The whole point of the thread is whether being in shape improves the chances or diminishes the chances of getting poosy. You have a member who is in favour and willing to prove it and you say you don't care?

Post: #761

(02-22-2019 04:58 PM)asdfk Wrote:  I pick up lifting when I'm not traveling and I really enjoy it. But if I put on 24 pounds of fat during travel I'm not tripping. I'm not recommending anyone does this, but I haven't seen my results spiral down.

The fuck? Putting on 24 lbs of fat for most guys is going to be a crazy gain in fat percentage. Enough to drop significantly in SMV.

You may be a huge guy where 24 lbs of fat isn't as huge of a difference, but an exception does not disprove the general rule.

Just point out that there are exceptions and leave it at that, don't try to convince others that it's not worth getting in shape/lifting weights as a way to improve your chances with women.

You state yourself it will increase interest. That's one of the hardest things to gain is a girl's interest before you ever open your mouth.

Post: #762

(02-22-2019 11:11 AM)Savonarola Wrote:  Is there a source for the study?

https://www.today.com/health/ideal-real-...men-t83731

I couldn't find the original BF% study without a lot more digging but:

http://thetestosteronehacker.com/most-at...ntage-men/

This references the study.

http://www.ideal-weight-charts.com/ideal...ntage.html
http://www.ideal-weight-charts.com/body-...chart.html

Are fitness sites with no references. One says 14% is ideal (for a non-athlete). Another bases it on age from roughly 10% for a college guy to double that for a senior citizen. "Athletes" are given a range of 6% to 13%.

Post: #763

(02-22-2019 04:58 PM)asdfk Wrote:  1. Getting ripped / buff does not increase your SMV everywhere in the world
[...]
While being very fit may provide very strong social proof in some places and may lesson the effort of getting casual sex, there are many scenarios where this is not the case
[...]
First of all, this is completely dependent on location and culture. Plenty of places where he won't get touched and where women will be appalled by his looks. His physique is useful in some places, an outright handicap in others.

You keep coming back to this defense without providing specifics. Can you list the places you have first hand experiences of in the world where being fit and muscular is not a massive positive to a man's looks? The forum is pretty well traveled, there'll surely be other posters who will jump in to agree with you.

Also putting on 24lbs of fat is insanely unhealthy, anyone should absolutely "be tripping" if they ever do that. It doesn't matter about if it effects your results with women or not - the #1 reason to lift weights and stay fit should be for your own health.

Post: #764

I would say that there are definitely "diminishing returns to weightlifting".

The term diminishing returns means less return for an additional unit of work.

Imagine 3 guys, all 6 foot, same build, eat a similar diet, lets even say they are even triplets:
(1) First guy goes to the gym 6x a week
(2) 2nd guy goes 3x a week
(3) 3rd guy doesn't workout at all.

The difference between guy 3 and guy 2 in terms of attracting women with his muscles will be greater than the difference between guy 2 and 1.

Post: #765

That doesn't make any sense to me.

It isn't about just having muscles, it matters how you act and carry yourself.

When I first got a decent frame, I always wanted to wear sleeveless shirts to show my arms. Now I actually hate showing my arms because I'm not trying to prove anything.

The goal is to have a body you are comfortable with, I wouldn't be comfortable gaining 24 llbs of fat.

I would ask the naysayers how comfortable you would feel at a Vegas pool party with your shirt off.

What about Bondi Beach, Ipanema beach or a party island like Mykonos?

So for someone to say there are places a good body doesn't matter is lying to themselves.

Also, can we stop with the charts, graphs, YouTube videos and what percentage of body fat you need analysis.

Post: #766

(02-23-2019 01:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  That doesn't make any sense to me.

It isn't about just having muscles, it matters how you act and carry yourself.

When I first got a decent frame, I always wanted to wear sleeveless shirts to show my arms. Now I actually hate showing my arms because I'm not trying to prove anything.

The goal is to have a body you are comfortable with, I wouldn't be comfortable gaining 24 llbs of fat.

I would ask the naysayers how comfortable you would feel at a Vegas pool party with your shirt off.

What about Bondi Beach, Ipanema beach or a party island like Mykonos?

So for someone to say there are places a good body doesn't matter is lying to themselves.

Also, can we stop with the charts, graphs, YouTube videos and what percentage of body fat you need analysis.

I personally have had the experience of both. I've been to vegas pool parties as a fluffy 20% bodyfate 255lb Defensive End looking dude and I've been at 12% bodyfat looking like a retired NFL tightend. There's a world of difference in the unsolicited attention I received as well as how responsive bitches were when I approached.

Post: #767

^ you speak from experience which I can respect that.

Look at the travel forum, none of those places I mentioned above have a travel report.

Uganda, Bangladesh and Ethiopia have travel reports. Of course the usual suspects Poland, Ukraine, Thailand and Colombia are heavily featured.

Sign of the times I guess, easier to swipe left than lift a barbell.

Post: #768

Of course there is. Going from 150-200 lbs will be a huge difference in female attention/attraction (assuming a relatively lean 10-15%). Going from 200-250lbs just makes you a freak and mostly impresses other guys and reduces female attention.

Post: #769

The good thing if you are tall (6'3 and over) is you can just put on mass without the muscle and girls will still think you're jacked lol. They're dumb like that. I mean I don't recommend you get fat on purpose but this is just more of a passing thought.

Overall, I think our modern-day obsession with fitness and sculpting bodies is a reflection of inner emptiness.

Post: #770

Quote:Also putting on 24lbs of fat is insanely unhealthy, anyone should absolutely "be tripping" if they ever do that. It doesn't matter about if it effects your results with women or not - the #1 reason to lift weights and stay fit should be for your own health.

I completely agree. That's why I have lost the weight and why I lift. But I do it for my own benefit, not for some imagined increase in chance of success.

Quote: If you don't care that he's getting poosy then why are you commenting on the thread? The whole point of the thread is whether being in shape improves the chances or diminishes the chances of getting poosy. You have a member who is in favour and willing to prove it and you say you don't care?

My comment was meant to point out that I don't care about anyones sex life except my own. But I also feel that his performance would not change my opinion in one way or the other. I have seen so many men in the field that I have seen everything. What matters is what happens more often, not the experience of one person. My whole opinion is based around the argument about what happens more often, and why that is.

Beyond all the serious debate: emotionally I also am not able to go along with this. I'm in one if not the most body-oriented city in the world with so many fit men around. Yet it always cracks me up that my two most out of shape buddies have the most success with the ladies. One is fat, the other is skinny fat and both give all those fit dudes a run for their money. I know quaker must be doing well in his particular circumstances and good for him, but his whole "I'm better then you" thing is so far from my daily reality that I find it hard to stay patient.

This skinny fat dude was frustrated because he couldn't get rid of a hot girl this morning that just wouldn't let him go home without her last night. It was pathetic how she was throwing herself at him.

Post: #771

(02-24-2019 09:33 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

Quote:Also putting on 24lbs of fat is insanely unhealthy, anyone should absolutely "be tripping" if they ever do that. It doesn't matter about if it effects your results with women or not - the #1 reason to lift weights and stay fit should be for your own health.

I completely agree. That's why I have lost the weight and why I lift. But I do it for my own benefit, not for some imagined increase in chance of success.

Quote: If you don't care that he's getting poosy then why are you commenting on the thread? The whole point of the thread is whether being in shape improves the chances or diminishes the chances of getting poosy. You have a member who is in favour and willing to prove it and you say you don't care?

My comment was meant to point out that I don't care about anyones sex life except my own. But I also feel that his performance would not change my opinion in one way or the other. I have seen so many men in the field that I have seen everything. What matters is what happens more often, not the experience of one person. My whole opinion is based around the argument about what happens more often, and why that is.

Beyond all the serious debate: emotionally I also am not able to go along with this. I'm in one if not the most body-oriented city in the world with so many fit men around. Yet it always cracks me up that my two most out of shape buddies have the most success with the ladies. One is fat, the other is skinny fat and both give all those fit dudes a run for their money. I know quaker must be doing well in his particular circumstances and good for him, but his whole "I'm better then you" thing is so far from my daily reality that I find it hard to stay patient.

This skinny fat dude was frustrated because he couldn't get rid of a hot girl this morning that just wouldn't let him go home without her last night. It was pathetic how she was throwing herself at him.

A lot of in-shape/hot guys are pussies PERIOD

That's why a frat star will always beat a male model even if he is a point or two below. It's not so much that a woman doesn't want a man who is better looking than them, it's that a woman doesn't want a man that BEHAVES as if he is better looking. That ultimately is a feminine trait.

I listen to Adam Carolla's podcast pretty often. Early in his podcast he had a saying, "I'm hot because I don't know I'm hot". This essentially is the vibe I try to give to women. Confident self assured yet I have the assertiveness of a gaming veteran who's an objective 5

Post: #772

If you are spending more than 4 hours a week in the gym, that is probably too much.

Post: #773

(02-24-2019 09:33 PM)asdfk Wrote:  Today 03:33 AM

You seem to have deleted/ignored the part of my post that asked you to defend your posts with actual facts. Do you have an answer to this?

(02-23-2019 06:47 AM)zatara Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 04:58 PM)asdfk Wrote:  1. Getting ripped / buff does not increase your SMV everywhere in the world
[...]
While being very fit may provide very strong social proof in some places and may lesson the effort of getting casual sex, there are many scenarios where this is not the case
[...]
First of all, this is completely dependent on location and culture. Plenty of places where he won't get touched and where women will be appalled by his looks. His physique is useful in some places, an outright handicap in others.

You keep coming back to this defense without providing specifics. Can you list the places you have first hand experiences of in the world where being fit and muscular is not a massive positive to a man's looks? The forum is pretty well traveled, there'll surely be other posters who will jump in to agree with you.

Post: #774

He doesn't have facts,

In the same post he talks about not caring about other guys having sex, but states his skinny fat friends are batting hot girls away with a stick.

That doesn't mean anything to me,

Again, I'm talking lifting weights can benefit all men in many ways beside just picking up girls,

Not sure why he is taking offense to what Quaker said, he is putting his money where his mouth is.

Post: #775

Anti-weightlifters here are the anti-vaxxers of the forum.