Post: #726

(02-20-2019 01:56 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  In my experience women never seem to care about my body even though my weight has fluctuated about 80 lbs in the past several years. What they do care about is your functional strength - women are obviously much more turned on when I can pick them up and throw them around with ease, especially the thick & tall ones who have probably never been with a guy who could.

My buddy tries to tell me the same thing.

Never seen anyone better with 4's

Post: #727

(02-20-2019 02:05 PM)arafat scarf Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 01:56 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  In my experience women never seem to care about my body even though my weight has fluctuated about 80 lbs in the past several years. What they do care about is your functional strength - women are obviously much more turned on when I can pick them up and throw them around with ease, especially the thick & tall ones who have probably never been with a guy who could.

My buddy tries to tell me the same thing.

Never seen anyone better with 4's

I sincerely haven't noticed any difference in the quality or quantity of female attention in that span of time. Most of them seem to care far more about my behavior than anything. I mean really I used skinny af at 140lbs at 6' and despite having no game and being blue pilled I got just as much female attention as I do now.

At 220lbs several years later nothing had changed. Any attention I got was based on my own confidence and internal states. I notice the same pattern with dressing sharp and having good haircuts vs dressing like a bum and having sloppy hair. That all pales in comparison to your social status, assertiveness/charm, etc.

Post: #728

(02-20-2019 01:36 PM)zatara Wrote:  ^He looks athletic because he is athletic. Professional rugby players (the backs, at least) are some of the best all-round athletes on the planet for their combination of strength + cardio endurance. Its extremely rare to find men as strong as they are, who're also able to do as much cardio as they are, in most sports. Usually most athletes skew either stronger but less cardio fit (most NFL players say), or fitter but much smaller and weaker (soccer players).

99% of men are also not going to get bigger than SBW mind you, at that level of bodyfat, without using gear. Its why theres absolutely no point in any man worrying about getting "too big".

To your point, if I were to bet money i'd say that Sonny has experimented with a cycle or 3. No judgement, but gear is a lot more pervasive than folks realize. Once you get redpilled on fitness you realize that. I'm sure you share my sentiments

Post: #729

(02-20-2019 01:36 PM)zatara Wrote:  ^He looks athletic because he is athletic. Professional rugby players (the backs, at least) are some of the best all-round athletes on the planet for their combination of strength + cardio endurance. Its extremely rare to find men as strong as they are, who're also able to do as much cardio as they are, in most sports. Usually most athletes skew either stronger but less cardio fit (most NFL players say), or fitter but much smaller and weaker (soccer players).

This is exactly the gray area where I find myself.
A bit too muscular for cardio sports, but a bit too "ecto" for pure bodybuilding.
I'm always toggling between the two. Today I'm going to run 3 miles on the dreadmill, then do leg day with kettle bells.
Is 43 too old to start playing rugby? lol

Post: #730

(02-20-2019 02:15 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  I mean really I used skinny af at 140lbs at 6' and despite having no game and being blue pilled I got just as much female attention as I do now.

At 220lbs several years later nothing had changed. Any attention I got was based on my own confidence and internal states.

This is not true. I receive more female attention in public now that I've added 20 lbs of muscle, especially if I wear a fitted t-shirt. I've been totally spaced out waiting in line at the grocery store, or standing on the metro, and caught women staring at me. My internal state/confidence has nothing to do with it.

Post: #731

(02-20-2019 02:15 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 02:05 PM)arafat scarf Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 01:56 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  In my experience women never seem to care about my body even though my weight has fluctuated about 80 lbs in the past several years. What they do care about is your functional strength - women are obviously much more turned on when I can pick them up and throw them around with ease, especially the thick & tall ones who have probably never been with a guy who could.

My buddy tries to tell me the same thing.

Never seen anyone better with 4's

I sincerely haven't noticed any difference in the quality or quantity of female attention in that span of time. Most of them seem to care far more about my behavior than anything. I mean really I used skinny af at 140lbs at 6' and despite having no game and being blue pilled I got just as much female attention as I do now.

At 220lbs several years later nothing had changed. Any attention I got was based on my own confidence and internal states. I notice the same pattern with dressing sharp and having good haircuts vs dressing like a bum and having sloppy hair. That all pales in comparison to your social status, assertiveness/charm, etc.

You know why they don't care? Because you did legs and most of your mass went there. I tell guys all the time, chest and arms is all you need.

Post: #732

(02-20-2019 03:27 PM)B-Minus Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 02:15 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 02:05 PM)arafat scarf Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 01:56 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  In my experience women never seem to care about my body even though my weight has fluctuated about 80 lbs in the past several years. What they do care about is your functional strength - women are obviously much more turned on when I can pick them up and throw them around with ease, especially the thick & tall ones who have probably never been with a guy who could.

My buddy tries to tell me the same thing.

Never seen anyone better with 4's

I sincerely haven't noticed any difference in the quality or quantity of female attention in that span of time. Most of them seem to care far more about my behavior than anything. I mean really I used skinny af at 140lbs at 6' and despite having no game and being blue pilled I got just as much female attention as I do now.

At 220lbs several years later nothing had changed. Any attention I got was based on my own confidence and internal states. I notice the same pattern with dressing sharp and having good haircuts vs dressing like a bum and having sloppy hair. That all pales in comparison to your social status, assertiveness/charm, etc.

You know why they don't care? Because you did legs and most of your mass went there. I tell guys all the time, chest and arms is all you need.

Yeah but I work out for functional strength not for appearances, so deadlifts and squats aren't avoided. Telling guys to only work out chest and arms is stupid anyway you'll just get chicken legs and you'll have imbalances everywhere.

That said my chest, biceps, shoulders, even my neck are significantly larger - everything has grown very proportionally.

Post: #733

(02-20-2019 03:52 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 03:27 PM)B-Minus Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 02:15 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 02:05 PM)arafat scarf Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 01:56 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  In my experience women never seem to care about my body even though my weight has fluctuated about 80 lbs in the past several years. What they do care about is your functional strength - women are obviously much more turned on when I can pick them up and throw them around with ease, especially the thick & tall ones who have probably never been with a guy who could.

My buddy tries to tell me the same thing.

Never seen anyone better with 4's

I sincerely haven't noticed any difference in the quality or quantity of female attention in that span of time. Most of them seem to care far more about my behavior than anything. I mean really I used skinny af at 140lbs at 6' and despite having no game and being blue pilled I got just as much female attention as I do now.

At 220lbs several years later nothing had changed. Any attention I got was based on my own confidence and internal states. I notice the same pattern with dressing sharp and having good haircuts vs dressing like a bum and having sloppy hair. That all pales in comparison to your social status, assertiveness/charm, etc.

You know why they don't care? Because you did legs and most of your mass went there. I tell guys all the time, chest and arms is all you need.

Yeah but I work out for functional strength not for appearances, so deadlifts and squats aren't avoided. Telling guys to only work out chest and arms is stupid anyway you'll just get chicken legs and you'll have imbalances everywhere.

That said my chest, biceps, shoulders, even my neck are significantly larger - everything has grown very proportionally.

I agree. You'll fuck around and get yourself injured taking that advice, especially the stronger you become.

Post: #734

(02-20-2019 03:27 PM)B-Minus Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 02:15 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 02:05 PM)arafat scarf Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 01:56 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  In my experience women never seem to care about my body even though my weight has fluctuated about 80 lbs in the past several years. What they do care about is your functional strength - women are obviously much more turned on when I can pick them up and throw them around with ease, especially the thick & tall ones who have probably never been with a guy who could.

My buddy tries to tell me the same thing.

Never seen anyone better with 4's

I sincerely haven't noticed any difference in the quality or quantity of female attention in that span of time. Most of them seem to care far more about my behavior than anything. I mean really I used skinny af at 140lbs at 6' and despite having no game and being blue pilled I got just as much female attention as I do now.

At 220lbs several years later nothing had changed. Any attention I got was based on my own confidence and internal states. I notice the same pattern with dressing sharp and having good haircuts vs dressing like a bum and having sloppy hair. That all pales in comparison to your social status, assertiveness/charm, etc.

You know why they don't care? Because you did legs and most of your mass went there. I tell guys all the time, chest and arms is all you need.

Didnt you say in another thread your a virgin 18 year old? You arent in a position to give any kind of advice, especially weightlifting related.

Bitches notice thick athletic legs too.

Post: #735

(02-20-2019 04:13 PM)Repo Wrote:  Bitches notice thick athletic legs too.

Girls like a guy with a butt too, I mean no homo but pancake butts don't look good on anyone even dudes.

Post: #736

@Batman you put on 80lbs of muscle and you saw no difference in the type of attention you get from women? I honestly find that extremely hard to believe. Are you always in baggy clothes, or suits? Do you go to the beach or even just to bars regularly, where you're actually around women where they have the opportunity to approach you? I put on a slightly smaller amount of muscle than that over the course of 6 years of lifting and the experience has been night and day for me. I've also had friends put on large amounts of muscle and have seen how it has completely changed their lives, too. I've never once seen a guy put on anywhere near that and not radically alter his life experience.

(02-20-2019 02:27 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  To your point, if I were to bet money i'd say that Sonny has experimented with a cycle or 3. No judgement, but gear is a lot more pervasive than folks realize. Once you get redpilled on fitness you realize that. I'm sure you share my sentiments

Absolutely, every online fitness "guru" is on massive amounts of gear. Pro-rugby players less so though generally, just because they're likely to be tested semi-regularly once they're famous enough to be playing at the international level, and/or when they're in the playing season at high level clubs. I played it myself for years (not anywhere near pro level mind you) and had friends who got fairly close to that level. Back then the done thing was to do a couple of cycles when you were in your early 20s and still fairly unknown, to put on a shitload of mass quickly that you could then in theory carry with you for years. And that would help you break through to the top level, in theory. I'd 100% agree with you that SBW probably did similar.

(02-20-2019 03:07 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  This is exactly the gray area where I find myself.
A bit too muscular for cardio sports, but a bit too "ecto" for pure bodybuilding.
I'm always toggling between the two. Today I'm going to run 3 miles on the dreadmill, then do leg day with kettle bells.
Is 43 too old to start playing rugby? lol

Rugby is absolutely fantastic, and its something I recommend to anyone under 30 as by far the best way to make friends / keep fit / have fun at the same time. Playing it changed my life. Playing on a normal team is too hard on the body past your early 30s though sadly - you'll just get injured trying to tackle some 110KG 25 year old monster. Depending on where you live you might be able to find a "veterans" league that plays though, that would be only 35 year old+ players usually. That'd be a great option if you live in a city where you can find a team.

Post: #737

(02-20-2019 04:13 PM)Repo Wrote:  Didnt you say in another thread your a virgin 18 year old? You arent in a position to give any kind of advice, especially weightlifting related.
Bitches notice thick athletic legs too.

What does being a virgin have to do with giving weightlifting advice? I think all that cardio is messing with your head man. Just hit some chest, maybe some arms. You should look like a monster up top and a toothpick down below. That's how you know you're doing it right. Ever heard the saying "build a strong foundation"? Well fuck that, can't be hitting legs.

By the way, can the forum just ban this account already? Put me out of my misery.

Post: #738

Quote:Why do guys hate on maximizing their potential?

The thread title mentions "diminishing returns." Not "maximizing your potential."

For getting a GF or dating a few girls, the returns diminish quickly. Make sure you are not fat or skinny like a cadaver.

For racking up notches, you can benefit greatly from adding social proof. In this case, if the local culture place emphasis on having a fit body, you will get social proof when you get that body.

However, racking up notches takes more skill than getting a GF. Without the skills, you are not even in the game.

The meathead squad here is trying to pretend that bitches just fly on their cock the moment they flex their bicep. Me and many others have had similar experiences without having that body, being very mediocre looks-wise or even chubby instead.

While being very fit may provide very strong social proof in some places and may lesson the effort of getting casual sex, there are many scenarios where this is not the case and this does not hurt your chances.

Keep your eyes open, be pragmatic. Maximize your potential that suits the environment instead of blindly pursuing something you see online.

Post: #739

(02-20-2019 05:24 PM)zatara Wrote:  @Batman you put on 80lbs of muscle and you saw no difference in the type of attention you get from women? I honestly find that extremely hard to believe. Are you always in baggy clothes, or suits? Do you go to the beach or even just to bars regularly, where you're actually around women where they have the opportunity to approach you? I put on a slightly smaller amount of muscle than that over the course of 6 years of lifting and the experience has been night and day for me. I've also had friends put on large amounts of muscle and have seen how it has completely changed their lives, too. I've never once seen a guy put on anywhere near that and not radically alter his life experience.

Never said I gained 80lbs of pure muscle- not physically possible. But my arms/chest/shoulders were definitely fairly big.

But now that I think about it, I only notice women checking me out if I care enough to notice. So I can concede I may be wrong. A friend of mine who I frequently wing with has pointed out that I'm oblivious to women checking me out.

But as I said, they did that plenty when I was skinny af too - I can recall getting particularly "lusty" looks that were even more obvious than the kind of looks I get nowadays.

Post: #740

This thread is the male equivalent of the female hamster and I love it because every four months, it flares up like a chronic rash. You have guys swearing working out is not important but the same guys will claim that if you are not over six feet tall with adonis features, the game is over.
Working out works (excuse the pun) and it's not just in the club where having a great physique attracts lizards. Game closes them but aesthetic muscle makes the attraction process easier unless you club and live somewhere where the lizard population has a severely impaired sense of sight AND touch.

Post: #741

(02-20-2019 05:58 PM)B-Minus Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 04:13 PM)Repo Wrote:  Didnt you say in another thread your a virgin 18 year old? You arent in a position to give any kind of advice, especially weightlifting related.
Bitches notice thick athletic legs too.

What does being a virgin have to do with giving weightlifting advice? I think all that cardio is messing with your head man. Just hit some chest, maybe some arms. You should look like a monster up top and a toothpick down below. That's how you know you're doing it right. Ever heard the saying "build a strong foundation"? Well fuck that, can't be hitting legs.

By the way, can the forum just ban this account already? Put me out of my misery.

Wish granted.

Post: #742

Lifting also gives us self confidence.

In my office we employ 30 guys and up until recently* I was always the strongest and healthiest out of the lot. This helps give me massive self confidence around both men and women.

*New Slavic guy started who is in tremendous shape looks close to 190lbs with 10% body fat

Post: #743

(02-20-2019 05:24 PM)zatara Wrote:  Rugby is absolutely fantastic, and its something I recommend to anyone under 30 as by far the best way to make friends / keep fit / have fun at the same time. Playing it changed my life. Playing on a normal team is too hard on the body past your early 30s though sadly - you'll just get injured trying to tackle some 110KG 25 year old monster. Depending on where you live you might be able to find a "veterans" league that plays though, that would be only 35 year old+ players usually. That'd be a great option if you live in a city where you can find a team.

There are a lot of rugby teams in my city. I'll look to see if they have 35 yo+ teams available. But I'm a 100 kg mini-monster so maybe I could still hang with the young'uns. Maybe, lol.
A couple of my soccer teammates also play on those rugby teams, and we're all the same size and general athletic capacity.
Thanks.

Post: #744

No, there is not a point of diminishing returns on weightlifting and attracting girls. Your problem will only begin if and when you are unaware of how you can still become punched even if you are massively strong from weight lifting if you are not polite. That is a point of diminishing returns as well as, and this is highly individual value based, but with time the weight lifting becomes a part of your life so you set aside other ways to spend time that may also be useful to attracting girls.

Weight lifting for becoming attractive to girls and attracting them is similar to becoming wealthy financially, there usually is no bad aspect to having more and more money unless you work or use the money negatively as far as girls. The muscles and ability that is built into your body from doing this is similar to a bank but that can easily be viewed. Maybe not the best and greatest investment ever to just keep putting your money in a bank, but if you put enough of your money in a checking or saving account eventually your life does begin to attract girls when you are a man.

Different muscle groups worked from weight lifting create different feelings in girls so as usual you should work your entire body, but this is how girls (did not read the entire thread but why girls not also women just curious because this is the manosphere):

1. Trapezius: These gain you logistics in terms of get a girl to your sex location and yes probably have some alcohol and play music. Yes trap as in the word to make this easy rap music is in Trapezius. If you view those gangster documentaries the men always have developed Trapezius muscles, so you will appear as a man that is sort of "gangster" but will be able to get her comfortable enough to take a risk and this does make me laugh but appear more of a "thug" than gangster until she meets your friends if you have any.

2. Shoulders: These signify a man can defend himself. That is not just Floyd Mayweather Junior talk. The bodybuilding saying is boulders for shoulders which reminds me of Colorado where many males historically were able to beat pain into other men with just their fists. Developed shoulders signify to a girl that he may be able to defend himself and me because a punch of his may feel as if a boulder has just hit the other human with a boulder because the shoulder is where the arm connects to the rest of the body.

3. Chest: Bravado and showing off masculinity. This can become a bit cheap/cheesy, but remember from the top of the head aside from choice this is the highest point on a human body where the male and female fundamentally differ even if the foundation is a similar muscle which is the pectoral (yes they have chest muscle but they have different breasts).

4. Biceps: Curls get the girls is the saying. This is a pulling muscle so yes pulling girls and women may be related to pulling muscles. This muscle may also without violence help men deal with other men such as when speaking but not attacking one another such as the posing for weigh ins with boxing.

5. Triceps: Try hard man. That usually is a form of denigration to men to be called try hard, but if he keeps working that shows will which usually becomes a win. This thread has mentioned Rugby, so keep in mind scoring is related to that sport as trying is related to beginners being able to speak to women as in I know harder than this sounds but just try to go speak to a woman is what is said to men with approach anxiety.

6. Abdominals: She becomes reminded of consensual sexual domination, having children, and not having sex with you when she has an STI or on her period.

7. Obliques: She will become real honest with you beyond average. The vagina to the "girls" is an O, so yes how bleak would realty be if he grew a handlebar moustache instead of less annoying facial hair and worked his obliques instead. They become a bit distrustful of men with developed obliques because they appear as Cowboys who will sex many girls and women so they develop a bit of a sadistic attitude with them.

8. Gluteus Maximus: Besides the penis and smaller muscles near the hips this is the holy muscles to them. This is where the penis work comes into play best so this is one of the most important actual sex muscle groups. I don't know if this has ever happened to my hairy buttocks but they do grab man buttocks in missionary which is a she wants you to control her mind in terms of religious beliefs.

9. Quadriceps: This is the muscle that makes girls sexual tigers which in my case is now "dweeb stop touching my thigh" which won't happen because I am working on me for a time. You may have had women touch or pet your knee or thigh when they start getting horny especially because a sexy man has entered where you two are and she doesn't want to tell you. This is girl code for my vagina exists you know.

10. Hamstrings: Hams get yams. That just means these are the biceps of the legs so you may get women wanting to show off their buttocks to you real fast for having developed hamstrings. Make sure to stretch these thoroughly because same as a tense and sore and painful Christmas, women get very annoyed and their vaginas become uncomfortably tense especially when men have unstretched hamstrings.

11. Calves: Calves make girls want you to orgasm into their vagina potentially with no condom on.



Those all are beneficial so yes the only D word you should be worried about with girls and weight lifting and returns is your dick not diminishing.

I recommend most of you lift weights and diet and stretch for attracting girls.

Same with women but you will have to sex them more than you can imagine if nothing else is excluded and you lift a lot.

Post: #745

Most guys here like girls that are in shape.

So it would make sense that girls like the same thing, sure there are other factors girls take into consideration.

Lifting weights was the best thing I did to improve my confidence and my mindset. Having top notch girls grab you like a piece of meat with a glazed look in their eyes, motivated me more in the gym.

Quaker13 put a challenge on the table, of course the trolls didn't take him up on his challenge lol

Post: #746

(02-20-2019 11:33 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  There are a lot of rugby teams in my city. I'll look to see if they have 35 yo+ teams available. But I'm a 100 kg mini-monster so maybe I could still hang with the young'uns. Maybe, lol.
A couple of my soccer teammates also play on those rugby teams, and we're all the same size and general athletic capacity.
Thanks.

If you're 100KG you won't have much to fear in the tackles. That'll help a lot. The 3 days of weights a week + 1 night of rugby training + 1 match a week schedule might get to you over the season though - thats what caused most of the retirements of the over 30s in my club. The body's recovery time becomes a big factor as we age, and/or real life stuff like jobs or kids get in the way.

A veterans league should be a lot easier going though. If you google your city name + veterans + rugby you should be able to find out if theres a league or not. If you're in a city where rugby is popular and there are a lot of normal clubs then there should be a few veterans ones at the least, hopefully.

Or if not you could definitely at least give it a shot playing on the lowest local club team (usually the thirds, or "thirsty thirds"), that should be relatively relaxed.

Post: #747

(02-21-2019 12:14 PM)zatara Wrote:  If you're 100KG you won't have much to fear in the tackles. That'll help a lot. The 3 days of weights a week + 1 night of rugby training + 1 match a week schedule might get to you over the season though - thats what caused most of the retirements of the over 30s in my club. The body's recovery time becomes a big factor as we age, and/or real life stuff like jobs or kids get in the way.

5x a week sounds like a bit beyond my reach. But I'll look into it. Thanks.
That recovery time is no joke. I used to require 36 hrs to recover from an intense 55-minute soccer match. Now, in my 40s, it's usually a 72 hr recovery. And if it ISN'T 72 hrs, that means I didn't play hard enough lol.

Post: #748

Reggie Bush or Nelly are my ideal physiques.

Post: #749

(02-21-2019 10:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Most guys here like girls that are in shape.

So it would make sense that girls like the same thing, sure there are other factors girls take into consideration.

This is a great reason to get in amazing shape.

Quote:Quaker13 put a challenge on the table, of course the trolls didn't take him up on his challenge lol

His challenge was to see who can go out and get the most attention, such as getting touched on the arm in an area like Washington DC.

First of all, this is completely dependent on location and culture. Plenty of places where he won't get touched and where women will be appalled by his looks. His physique is useful in some places, an outright handicap in others.

Second, is the challenge to get touched very often or to bring a girl home that same day or night? I am certain he is skillful enough to "convert" the extra attention to bangs, which is great.... But frankly, someone who is really good at cold approach will also be able to pull every night. You only need one girl a night (maybe two if you want a threesome). With enough skills under your belt, sufficient girls and the right logistics, it is a numbers game.

I am not at all opposed to working out. I just object to treating it as a cure-all since it has such a high cost. It will throw newbies off if they focus too much energy at this pursuit when this energy could have been better spend elsewhere.

Post: #750

I recall a study that said 12% bodyfat is the ideal for attracting women. Apparently interest (SMV?) Is a left skew bell curve with a 12% peak. The researchers correlated BF% to the measurable health of the men and found it also peaked at 12%.

The second part of the equation is BMI. In a different study:

They set a preferred ideal man at a BMI of 24.5, a waist-to-hip ratio of .86 and a waist-to-chest ratio of .77. The ideal set by the men (not shown) was a BMI of 25.9, a waist-to-hip ratio of .87 and a waist-to-chest ratio of .74.

The takeaway from this is that most women don't like super-huge guys. Really bulking up makes you attractive to those women who fetishize it more.

To do the math, an average 5'10" guy would have an "ideal" weight of 170 pounds according to women, 180 according to the men in the study. Assuming a 34"waist, that would imply a 44" to 46" chest.

For reference, look at Scott Adkins who 5'10", 176, 34" waist, 45" chest, 10% BF.